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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 497
Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 4:43 AM

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There are 15 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. ADMIN:Copyright Topic
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

2. Hot Water Valve for sale
From: "Tom Niemczewski" <tomcio_at_dml_jamesik.com>

3. Trim Post Installation
From: "Fernando Dillard" <fdillard_at_dml_earthlink.net>

4. Re: trans question
From: "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>

5. When do Injectors inject?
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>

6. How do you Milk a Cow?
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>

7. Re: When do Injectors inject?
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

8. Re: When do Injectors inject?
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

9. Re: Fan speed "3" is back
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

10. Spare interior pieces
From: Brian Henderlong <bhender1_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>

11. i need a used control pressure regulator
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

12. Re: impossibly high fuel pressure?
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

13. RE: Two-Toned Interiors...
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

14. Center Console Clock
From: reuterconsulting_at_dml_yahoo.com

15. Re: i need a used control pressure regulator
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:06:03 -0500
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: ADMIN:Copyright Topic

At this time, Wayne and I are having an offline discussion of the policies.
Until we resolve it, I'm holding the posts on this topic to avoid a bunch of
rumor and conjecture. Thanks for your patience. We appreciate all your
thoughts.

Feel free to contact us privately if you wish. There should be a summary
statement in a day or two.

Dave Swingle





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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:37:42 -0400
From: "Tom Niemczewski" <tomcio_at_dml_jamesik.com>
Subject: Hot Water Valve for sale

Hello
I have a new hot water valve (part 100763, section 7-1-3 in parts manual)
that I don't need. I got it because I thought that mine was bad... well,
today I found out that it works just fine. It's a new unit meaning: never
installed and it's not NOS. It's the exact same thing as the original one
but it was made recently - no
problem of 20-year-old rubber cracking from age. If anyone is interested
please email me directly with your (reasonable) offer. DMC Houston sells
them for $58.63.
If no one needs it on the list I will put it on eBay.

Take care everyone
Tom Niemczewski
vin 6298 (for sale)
tomcio_at_dml_jamesik.com




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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:56:38 -0700
From: "Fernando Dillard" <fdillard_at_dml_earthlink.net>
Subject: Trim Post Installation


Hi List,

 

I need to install new trim posts on my D. The old ones are warped and 
cracked. Has anybody installed the trim posts themselves?  It looks like 
the windshield has to be removed in order for them to be properly installed. Is 
this true?

 

Do you think I should leave the installation to professionals? I already 
purchased them (trim posts) from DMC Houston.

 

Thanks,

Fernando

VIN 10811

 

--- Fernando Dillard

--- fdillard_at_dml_earthlink.net 

--- EarthLink: It's your Internet.


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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:17:40 -0400
From: "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>
Subject: Re: trans question

As for the Centreforce Dual-Friction "feel", it's quite stiff, and quite
jumpy.  When it grabs, it grabs hard.  Hard to 'crawl' with the clutch
slipping.

-Dave




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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:24:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: When do Injectors inject?

I believe the Bosch fuel system is continuous injection, but at what time
does this occur?  In the test in the manual for testing primary/control
pressure- and the RPM relay is removed and shorted to make the fuel pump
run- Wouldn't the injectors be injecting at this time?  Isn't that just a
bad idea?

Also- Can I measure the fuel pressure at the injector with the fuel pressure
gauge?  Would this be a valid test for verifying the fuel distributor is
distributing fuel to all 6 with consistent pressure?

help!

Jim






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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:50:12 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>
Subject: How do you Milk a Cow?

A while back, someone mentioned a parody by Cledus T Judd called "How do you
milk a cow?" that mentions a DeLorean.

The video includes many shots of a Red DeLorean.

I found the video on line at:
http://www.tobykeith.com/events/highlights/how_milk_video.shtml

.... For those tracking this sort of thing.



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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:54:18 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: When do Injectors inject?

In a message dated 4/10/01 12:09:57 PM Central Daylight Time, 
ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com writes:
> I believe the Bosch fuel system is continuous injection, but at what time
> does this occur?  In the test in the manual for testing primary/control
> pressure- and the RPM relay is removed and shorted to make the fuel pump
> run- Wouldn't the injectors be injecting at this time?  Isn't that just a
> bad idea?
> 
> Also- Can I measure the fuel pressure at the injector with the fuel pressure
> gauge?  Would this be a valid test for verifying the fuel distributor is
> distributing fuel to all 6 with consistent pressure?
Jim - 

it is perfectly ok to jump the relay, and yes, your injectors will fire.  be 
aware that this will eventually flood the engine, so if your car doesn't 
start after you do this, sit tight for a few minutes, then floor the gas 
pedal as you turn the key and hold it down until it starts.  that will clear 
the engine.

unless you have some kind of fittings to work with the gauge at the 
injectors, i don't know how you could do this.  There is a bosch injector 
tester which comes up on ebay now and then.. in fact there might still be one 
up there, it was up there about 4 days ago, definitely in the past auctions 
though if it's over.  most people just pull their injectors out and put them 
in seperate baby food jars.  then jump the relay and see if they are all 
pretty much the same. kind of crude, but i guess it works.

see the shop manual for specific info on hooking up the pressure tester.

Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102



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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 20:29:19 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: When do Injectors inject?

Since the system is mechanical, the answer would be yes. If you were 
to jump the fuel pump relay to start the fuel pump, the injectors 
would open.

A fuel pressure gague can help you determine the failure of certain 
fuel system components by way of measuring what the fuel pressure is 
durring specific conditions. To the best of my knowlege from what I've 
read from the service manual and the BOSCH manual, a fuel pressure 
test gauge is not able to determine fuel delevery issues with the fuel 
injectors. For this test you need to have each injector spray fuel 
into an individual container. The container is usually clear so that 
you can 1. Make sure that they all fill up at the same time (even 
distribution), and 2. To verify that they have a correct spray 
pattern. Using the feed back from both of these visual tests, you'll 
be able to utilize the info from the manual to determine the proper 
repair nessisary.

-Robert
vin 6585




--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_j...> wrote:
> I believe the Bosch fuel system is continuous injection, but at what 
time



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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:26:40 -0400
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Fan speed "3" is back


Hello All,

  I took Jan's diagram and all your other helpful hints and checked all the
relay contacts - the connectors were all in place and they all had the
proper voltages. (that is, once I oriented it correctly as per Jan's
instructions "below the socket").  I then went to check the connections on
the fan itself.  While everything looked fine, I removed and re-seated all
the fan connectors, and voila - I had speed three back!  Must have been some
corrosion on the connectors, since it all works just great now. (I should
have checked these first - Doh!)

Tomorrow's project: remove hood and install new truck rubber weather seal.
Any pointers or gotchas I should know about?

Thanks to everyone for being so helpful,

-Hank  #1619




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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:59:08 -0400
From: Brian Henderlong <bhender1_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Spare interior pieces

At 03:01 PM 04/09/2001, James wrote:
>Same for why the last car also has a tan interior. They were spares, also.

Hi, James --

I have seen photos on the web of a DeLorean whose owner had redone the
interior in burgundy.  And someone had mentioned on the DML a long time ago
that they found a few burgundy-colored interior pieces in the warehouse
during a tour.  Your mention of spare tan interior pieces got me thinking
-- does DMC have enough "spare" tan or burgundy interior pieces to make a
full set of either?  The burgundy car actually looks quite striking!

Just curious,

- Brian Henderlong / Tampa, FL
- DeLorean: http://home.tampabay.rr.com/deloreans/index.htm
- Impala SS: http://home.tampabay.rr.com/deloreans/brakes.htm



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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:02:29 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: i need a used control pressure regulator

Hey all,

i need a used control pressure regulator (also called the warm up regulator) 
for testing purposes on my non-running DeLorean.  it must be 100% functional. 
 

if you can help, please privately email me with details and price.  i want to 
get it cheap because if my problem is a faulty CPR, then i want to buy a new 
old stock one from one of the vendors.  so i just need one that someone has 
lying around but is POSITIVE is works correctly.

thanks!
Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:53:59 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: impossibly high fuel pressure?

Before you give up I have some ideas you can try. If indeed your 
primary pressure is too high besides the primary pressure regulater 
being stuck (which you say isn't) another possability is a restriction 
in the return line from the regulater to the tank. Since your resting 
pressure is about right the fuel accumulater is probably OK. A quick 
and dirty test is to remove the return line from the regulater and rig 
up something temporary into a pail and see if the pressure is now in a 
more normal range. I think the noises from the pump are just it trying 
too hard against the high pressure, after you can get the pressure 
right the pump might be alright. If you cannot regulate the primary 
pressure don't bother checking the control pressure, it will be too 
high also, it also dumps into the return line to the tank and besides 
it receives "regulated" presssure from the primary regulater so if 
that is too high the control pressure reg can't reduce it enough. 
Refer to D:01:06 in the workshop manual to see the fuel flow and the 
return line to the tank. Imagine that the return was blocked at any 
point between the primary reg and the tank. The acumulater won't care 
if it isn't ruptured but the regulater has no way to send the excess 
fuel pumped to it back to the tank.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> in my quest for getting my car started again, i was fortunate enough 
to find 
> a kind soul on the DML who sent me his pressure testing kit so i 
could check 
> my car out.  here is what i found:
> 





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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:02:40 -0400
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: RE: Two-Toned Interiors...

I own an 83 two tone interior, and I think it really makes the car stand
out....I really like it.

Oh...and by the way....

I LOVE MY CAR! I LOVE TO DRIVE IT!  I LOVE TO LOOK AT IT!  I LOVE EVERYTHING
ABOUT IT!!!!

sorry....just had to get that out.  ;)

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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 02:40:24 -0000
From: reuterconsulting_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Center Console Clock

It seems that the previous owner of my D shorted out the clock by 
letting it get wet.  Everything seems to be in good shapen but the 
clock chip itself may be gone.  Is is possible to use any clock chip 
or is there a recommended substitute?  

I also am having problems removing the steering wheel.  I 
disconnected the battery, removed the center cap, and removed the 
bolt in the center.  I have a steering wheel removal tool but first 
the bolts were too short, so I replaced them and now with everything 
is place as I crack the center bolt on the tool, I am stripping out 
the other two bolts.  What should I do?  The steering wheel has still 
not budged.

Thanks,

Roy
vin #3172




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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 20:01:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: i need a used control pressure regulator

I think we all need to do whatever we can to get
Andy's car running.  I watched the news this evening
and saw the water rising in Fargo.  Since we all know
that the DeLorean will not float, it is imperative
that Andy be able to get his car away from the rising
water ASAP.

Dick Ryan
VIN 16867



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