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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 504
Date: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 12:56 AM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Northern California - NCDMC club meeting April 22
From: "Montgomery, Ken" <kenm_at_dml_csus.edu>

2. Re: how to clean fuel lines
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

3. Re: Spelling Bee
From: tmasterlc_at_dml_msn.com

4. Fan Fail Relay & Thermal Trip
From: "JamesRG" <jamesrg_at_dml_btinternet.com>

5. Re: Brake light problem
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

6. Re: how to clean fuel lines
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

7. Re: Spelling Bee
From: badgeman46_at_dml_hotmail.com

8. Re: No Juice
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

9. RE: fuel pressure sensor?
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

10. mixing cross-drilled brake rotors
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

11. A/C control panel melting?
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

12. RE: fuel pressure sensor?
From: Peter Lucas <lucas_at_dml_imap.maya.com>

13. No Juice: Part Deux
From: "J Rowe" <rowejj_at_dml_netusa1.net>

14. Re: Lucas Electrical
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

15. New problem: fuel baffle
From: "The Floodle" <floodle_at_dml_subdimension.com>

16. to sell or not to sell
From: eurojet_at_dml_sdcoe.k12.ca.us

17. RE: Spelling Bee
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_hscis.net>

18. Where to get Angle Drive & Blower Fan noise
From: thai vu <thaiqvu_at_dml_yahoo.com>

19. Delorean in a computer graphics book
From: delorean502_at_dml_excite.com

20. DELOREAN PARTS ON E-BAY
From: qrorell_at_dml_aol.com

21. RE: mixing cross-drilled brake rotors
From: "The Floodle" <floodle_at_dml_subdimension.com>

22. RE: Re: Lucas Electrical
From: "Jack Stiefel" <stiefel_at_dml_minalco.com>

23. Oil pan woes
From: "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com>

24. Re: to sell or not to sell
From: SGSKBM_at_dml_aol.com

25. Re: Re: Lucas Electrical
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>





Message: 1
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 23:57:51 -0700
From: "Montgomery, Ken" <kenm_at_dml_csus.edu>
Subject: Northern California - NCDMC club meeting April 22

On April 22, the Northern California DeLorean Motor Club will be meeting In
Sacramento for a tour of the Towe Auto Museum, the State Railroad Museum and
to have lunch in Old Sacramento. Our meet will start 10:00AM at the Towe and
after a tour of the museum we'll drive up to Old Sacramento for lunch and a
tour of the largest railroad museum in the West. 

We'll be discussing the continuing plans for the West Coast
DeLorean/Bricklin Car Show on September 20-23. The 2 banquets have been
arranged and we're working on the driving tours. Prices should be set soon
for the events and we're also working on our guest list. Reservations for
the hotel can now be made for only $74 a night at (925) 867-9200.
Registration for the event will be ready late May/early June.

Ken

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Ken Montgomery	Sacramento, CA  VIN #10911  'OUTTIME'
http://www.jps.net/arkham/delorean/delorean01.htm
mailto:kenm_at_dml_csus.edu
President, Northern California DeLorean Motor Club
http://www.ncdmc.org
Keeper of the International DeLorean Owners Directory
http://www.dmcnews.com  mailto:directory_at_dml_dmcnews.com
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 07:06:06 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: how to clean fuel lines

Others will probably be able to give more complete info then I'm able 
to when it comes to cleaning the parts of the fuel system. But I can 
give you this much advice; If you want to test out procedures first, 
or you just want to try various posibilities for cleaning, or you 
just plain want to see how things work, head to the junkyard. Before 
you test any of your own components, try any experiments out on an 
old Volvo 260, or 760 system first. With the exception of a different 
engine compartment, you'll swear you're looking at a DeLorean engine! 
The K-Jetronic system is almost a mirror image. (minus the 
distributor and the CPR which are usually stripped!).

-Robert
vin 6585



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
<SNIP>
finally, if i were take each fuel hose out of my engine compartment, 
what's 
> the best way of cleaning them, and making sure they are clean?



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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 07:24:22 -0000
From: tmasterlc_at_dml_msn.com
Subject: Re: Spelling Bee

I think "DeLorean" looks the best!  That's the way that John Z. 
DeLorean signed my car, and just about an hour ago Kathryn DeLorean 
replied to my daughter's e-mail requesting the name of her brother 
(Zachary Thomas DeLorean, 10-24-71) for her school Living Museum 
project!

Cheryl "DeWester"!
MO Lic# BK2-FTR
VIN# 6322




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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:40:30 +0100
From: "JamesRG" <jamesrg_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: Fan Fail Relay & Thermal Trip

Hi all,

I have just uploaded two files to the files section in a folder named "James
RG's File" the 1st one is of my thermal trip which has 4 connections for
some reason rather than the two shown in the manual, I was wondering if
anyone could tell me why this is.
The 2nd is of my electrical compartment behind the passenger seat as I would
like to see if I have the fan fail relay upgrade in place, I am not sure
where it is supposed to go or if it has actually been installed.

Thanks


James RG
Colchester
England UK




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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:18:37 -0000
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Brake light problem

Joe, Even thought the boards for the lights are pretty flimsey, I can 
clean them up and repair them if your intrested. No screws.
John Hervey
www.specialTauto.com

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Joe Thome" <joethome_at_dml_j...> wrote:
> Listmembers:
> My right brake lights don't work. 



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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:31:55 -0000
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: how to clean fuel lines

Andy, I won't say it can't happen. But remember. There is a filter 
sreeen on the fuel tank side of the pump. Think about it, how would 
anything large enough to stop up the fuel system get thru the screen. 
Bosch says it, filters a about 60 microns on the newer ones. When I 
took my screen off and was looking for any thing in the tank, I found 
the glue off clear cover that they put on the pumps in one corner of 
the tank and water. Both together was about 1/4 cup. Being that the 
water and glue were both bunched up together, they wouldn't go thru 
the small holes of the baffel, much less the screen. Just something 
to think about before you go thru the long process of cleaning 
hoses.  
John Hervey
www.specialTauto.com




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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:40:23 -0000
From: badgeman46_at_dml_hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Spelling Bee

 Well as far as the car goes, its spelled DeLorean

As for outstanding data entry skills, I commend the following 
organizations:
-My insurance company spells it Dolorian
-Florida DMV spells it Deloran, they even saw my VIN plate in person.
-The shippers I have used have spelled it Delorean, Deelorian, and 
dalorean.

Cheers,
Jay




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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:44:19 -0000
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: No Juice

Jason, Side post batteries are notorious for giving trouble if you 
have them. We put a new side post in my wifes car and it lasted less 
that 2 years. They started leaking and corroded out the connection 
and then lost it. I switched my D over to top post. Either way you 
go, it's more than likly the battery.
John Hervey
specialTauto.com




--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "J Rowe" <rowejj_at_dml_n...> wrote:
>       Hello All, 
>     
>                  I have ran into a problem today. I went out to 
start the DeLorean to take it out for
> a drive but when I tried to start it it turned over maybe twice and 
then all electrical power 
> seemed to have died very suddenly. 



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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 07:41:42 -0500
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: fuel pressure sensor?

Peter Lucas,
Are you related to "Lucas, The Prince of Darkness"  ;>)

Scott Mueller
DMCNEWS 002981
DOA 5031

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Lucas [mailto:lucas_at_dml_imap.maya.com]

Subject: [DML] fuel pressure sensor?

As some of you know, I have been chipping away at a long-term project 
to add some modern electronics to my D.



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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:55:12 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: mixing cross-drilled brake rotors

I want to know the list's opinion on mixing front cross-drilled brake rotors
with non-cross-drilled rear rotors.  I already have the front rotors, but
cannot get rear ones to match.  They are no longer available.  The vendor
told me that they would refund my money & shipping charges if I returned
them.

I ordered all 4 brake rotors through Summit Racing who gets them through
Auto Specialty.  Before I ordered them, I asked if they were in stock.  They
said they were.  It took about a month to ship the front rotors & pads.
Then a month or so later they shipped the pads for the rear brakes, but no
rear rotors.  It took several months of having them on back order and
several phone calls to both Summit Racing and Auto Specialty to find out
that they are now a discontinued item.  They said that in the last year and
a half they only sold 3 sets so they are not interested in making any more
due to lack of demand.  I tried getting them to make a special production
run if I bought the whole run, but there was too much red tape involved.
Apparently Auto Specialty gets these rotors from another company, PowerStop
who then apparently uses a sub-contractor.  What a mess.  I'm too busy with
other projects to worry about making new ones from scratch.  I don't like
copying someone else's wimpy design anyway.

For those of you who don't like cross-drilled rotors saying that they crack,
break, etc., can you explain why Porche is using them on production cars?
They must be reliable or they wouldn't be used like this.

I'm thinking real hard about building a new running gear using an aluminum
frame and cross-drilled brake rotors from a Porche.  I heard of someone in
California (I think) who did a Porche brake conversion to their DeLorean.
Does anyone know about it?  I already have more projects going than any
normal person could finish in a life time.  It's a darn good thing I'm not
normal!

Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:09:22 -0400
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: A/C control panel melting?


Hello All,

  I saw on a member's website something about the original plastic A/C panel
melting due to the panel lights being on all the time. (and a nice jumper
modification to switch them on with the headlights).    How big a problem is
this, and should I be concerned?  I have an original plastic panel, and
don't want to risk having it melt and replace it with those newer vinyl
overlays.  I don't think the jumper solution will help me much, since I
drive with the headlights lights on all the time.

TIA,

-Hank #1619




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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:41:36 -0400
From: Peter Lucas <lucas_at_dml_imap.maya.com>
Subject: RE: fuel pressure sensor?

At 7:41 AM -0500 4/16/01, Scott Mueller wrote:
>Peter Lucas,
>Are you related to "Lucas, The Prince of Darkness"  ;>)
>
>Scott Mueller
>DMCNEWS 002981
>DOA 5031
>

Yeah, yeah...   :-)

Actually, even *this* has been discussed before in the archives:

http://www.dmcnews.com/backissues/dml099901.html

Se Raddad's message and my response.

Interestingly, that very edition of the digest also contains an 
earlier episode of the "Delorean/DeLorean/De Lorean" thread!

--pete lucas
    VIN #06703





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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 01:09:59 -0500
From: "J Rowe" <rowejj_at_dml_netusa1.net>
Subject: No Juice: Part Deux

    To all, Thanks for all the ideas and suggestions but I still have no power at all. I checked the
battery and it said it was good but I went ahead and swapped the one from my svx in and it still
didn't do anything. After switching the battery back I tried jumping it with my other car and had 
no luck. I then checked to see if I was getting any power to the jumper post in the engine bay and
I am so it would seem that my problem lies somewhere after that. Any other ideas? 

                                         Jason #5903


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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 19:43:13 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: Lucas Electrical

Compared to the electrical promblems with most newer cars I've seen, 
I'd take Lucas any day! I've never seen headlights on Lucas equiped 
cars dim one at a time, then switch over! Nor is there the risk of 
spilling soda and tripping airbags on Lucas cars!

Any time I've had something arise, it's been both easy to track down 
and repair. Plus they were things that were to be expected for a 20 
year old car. Shorted wires are not something you should have in a 
brand new car!

GO Lucas!

-Robert
vin 6585



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> Peter Lucas,
> Are you related to "Lucas, The Prince of Darkness"  ;>)
>



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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:08:36 -0500
From: "The Floodle" <floodle_at_dml_subdimension.com>
Subject: New problem: fuel baffle

A big thank you to those who helped me with my last problem.  Unfortunately, I have another one.  If you'll recall, the fuel pickup hose in my gas tank had become somewhat missing.  To solve that problem, I simply ordered a new one, as many of you suggested.  Now, having drained all the gas, I have discovered that not only was the pickup hose missing, but also the entire baffle assembly, including the baffle, bottom cover, baffle retainer, and the in-tank fuel filter.  This is quite the problem.  I can find all of the accessory parts at all of the online retailers, but the baffle itself is nowhere to be found.  DMC Houston doesn't even list it (part#106241) in their inventory.  I called PJ Grady and he said that they are completely out of that part.  Does anyone know where I can find this elusive part?

Thanks,

Aaron King
Kirkland, WA
vin#1217
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:40:31 -0000
From: eurojet_at_dml_sdcoe.k12.ca.us
Subject: to sell or not to sell

Well, I'm thinking of selling my beloved car due to lack of use. It's 
beautiful with a bit over 16K miles on it, all original and is a 
California native and still here. Never driven in the rain. A few 
minor cosmetic items, and I mean MINOR. Mechanically about perfect. I 
paid 16K for it in '98 and put about a grand in it with upgrades and 
new tires. I still have the original NCTs. So list, what's it worth 
and should I sell or keep it? Money's not the issue here, I just 
don't have the time to enjoy it and it loves to be driven. Thoughts, 
ideas, offers all welcomed.
Fil.




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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:10:19 -0700
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_hscis.net>
Subject: RE: Spelling Bee

(Moderators note: This posting will end the "Spelling Bee"thread - I think Murray's last comment just about says it all.)


From what I have read, your third spelling is pretty much correct.  With the
space and like two words capitalized.   I think I have ALL of the hardback
books, plus "De Lorean Gold" and "Stainless Steel Illusion".   They ALL
spell it that way with very few exceptions.  However it seems like when it
refers to the car itself officially it is one word. (DeLorean).  My original
window sticker however spells it De Lorean and the car rear "bumper" has it
De Lorean with the space.....then the metal plate on the drivers door sill
has it all together at DeLorean......just looked up my Title and
registration for kicks and they are both spelled with the space!   I guess
John Z probably doesn't care!

Murray Fisher
Vin: 05962 Lic: DMC-XII
Washington State, USA





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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:59:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: thai vu <thaiqvu_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Where to get Angle Drive & Blower Fan noise

Hi List,
1) Where is a good place for me to get an Angle drive?
 Can it be repaired?  Mine started to make "Clicking"
noise when tires are rotating/driving.

2) Same questions for Blower fan/motor.  It makes a
"humming" noise at low speeds (mostly 1 and 2).

Thanks,
TV

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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:12:44 -0000
From: delorean502_at_dml_excite.com
Subject: Delorean in a computer graphics book

I just got my copy of a program called Lightwave 6.  Its a CGI 
program.  I decided to get a more indepth book for it than what comes 
with it so I was looking at a book called "Inside: LIghtwave 6"  
Debating wether or not to buy it I flipped through it and what do I 
see? On page 11, Figure 1.6 there is a graphics design of the Back to 
the Future DeLorean (four different views)
Just thought I'd let you know.  BTW: I figured that was a sign, so I 
bought the book.  You can find it at Barns and Noble.

seeya

Erik 
04512




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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:46:57 EDT
From: qrorell_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: DELOREAN PARTS ON E-BAY

To all,
Somebody is parting a delorean on e-bay.
Mostly small stuff and both doors. It looks like the car was sitting in the open for a few years by the look of the parts. But if you are looking for parts cheap and need some small stuff. the link: ishttp://cgi6.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=jimilime

Good luck. and read the notes carefully.
I am in no way connected with this site or person.
Past performance does not mean future returns.
Sorry I have been reading too many financial web sites.
Barry





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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 18:45:58 -0500
From: "The Floodle" <floodle_at_dml_subdimension.com>
Subject: RE: mixing cross-drilled brake rotors

Walter,

I am currently running a mixed setup on my D right now.  The front rotors are cross-drilled and the rears are not.  IMHO, the braking feels tighter than the stock setup and the car seems to stop more quickly.  I don't have any official numbers or anything to back up my observations, sorry.  Since the majority of the stopping power comes from the front brakes anyway, I'm not sure if much more improvement can be gained by adding cross-drilled rotors to the rear wheels.  Just my $.02.

Thanks,

Aaron King
Kirkland, WA
vin#1217
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:07:06 -0400
From: "Jack Stiefel" <stiefel_at_dml_minalco.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Lucas Electrical

I am not sure what cars you own, but I have never worried about spilling
soda and blowing my cars airbags, nor have I ever seen my headlights do what
you were referring.

Jack & Virginia Stiefel
'81 DeLorean Vin 03461 Aug.1981 NYS Lic:1981 DMC
'97 Red BMW Z3 Convertible 6 cyl, not the baby 4
'99 Ford Expedition 4x4 Eddie Bauer Edition
'01 Black PT Cruiser Limited w/Flames
Visit us at www.sacketmansion.com

-----Original Message-----
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com [mailto:DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com]


Compared to the electrical promblems with most newer cars I've seen,
I'd take Lucas any day! I've never seen headlights on Lucas equiped
cars dim one at a time, then switch over! Nor is there the risk of
spilling soda and tripping airbags on Lucas cars!

GO Lucas!

-Robert
vin 6585




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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:47:26 -0700
From: "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com>
Subject: Oil pan woes

Today I had the oil changed in my DeLorean at the Honda dealership where I
work.  We removed the drain plug only to find it completely stripped with
only about one or two threads at the top, it's a wonder it stayed in.  So
now I need a new drain plug.  Upon further inspection of the oil pan, the
threads inside are in almost the same shape.  Looks like I also need a new
oil pan, which leads me to my big question.  How do you remove the oil pan
from the car?  I can't even get at the bolts on the front end due to the
frame being too close to one side.  The only thing I can think of would be
to unbolt the motor mounts and lift the engine up.  Is this really what you
have to do?

Don't count this as bitching, I still absolutely love my car!

Brandon Payne
VIN 2975




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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 02:08:08 -0000
From: SGSKBM_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: to sell or not to sell

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., eurojet_at_dml_s... wrote:
> Well, I'm thinking of selling my beloved car due to lack of use. 

I thought that perhaps a public statement might have more impact than 
the private opinion that I gave your recently when we talked.  It is 
true that your car is everything that you say it is, although I think 
that the cosmetic issues are a lot more minor than you state in your 
posting.  

The recent addition of a pair of "nut covers" for you windshield 
wipers was the most serious offense that I saw when drooling over 
your car at the parade.  Your car is better described as pristine.  

In any case, I know that you now have a new love, a motorcycle, but I 
need to remind you that your ownership of the Delorean is not an 
everyday occurrence.  As an example, if you were to sell it and 
revert to driving normal cars, and later you decided to go back to 
the Delorean, you would be hard pressed to find one in as good as 
shape as yours!

You are a credit to the Delorean community as you represent and 
display the car while maintaining the philosophy of telling people 
about it.  You are well known for giving rides to all that ask or 
just get in!  In short, keep it until you are definitely sure that 
you cannot live without it.  Try not "visiting" it for a few weeks 
and see if you still feel the same.

In conclusion, if you sell, someone will get a perfect car and the 
Delorean community will lose a woderful sponsor.  Please resonsider.

Scot
6452
Proud donator of a pair of new "nut covers."






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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:30:45 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Lucas Electrical

Once again, although the DeLorean electrical system contains a couple of
Lucas components, the electrical system was designed in-house and is not a
Lucas system.

DMC Joe

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

> Compared to the electrical promblems with most newer cars I've seen,
> I'd take Lucas any day! 

> GO Lucas!
>
> -Robert
> vin 6585





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