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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 506
Date: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 12:03 AM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Lucas Electrical
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

2. being nice to previous owners (was: New problem: fuel baffle)
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com

3. Dusty RHD car.
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>

4. Re: Louvre Latch
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

5. Re: Where to get Angle Drive & Blower Fan noise
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

6. Re: Lucas Electrical
From: badgeman46_at_dml_hotmail.com

7. RE: Oil pan woes
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

8. Re: Louvre Latch
From: Jan van de wouw <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>

9. Re: Re: Where to get Angle Drive & Blower Fan noise
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

10. GullWing Door Seals
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

11. Re: Louvre Latch
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

12. Re: Oil pan woes
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

13. Re: DELOREAN PARTS ON E-BAY
From: graves_14_at_dml_hotmail.com

14. Eurofest and Concours
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

15. Re: Oil pan woes
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com

16. Re: mixing cross-drilled brake rotors
From: jus4sho_at_dml_aol.com

17. The FOURTH gold DeLorean
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

18. Re: Louvre Latch
From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com

19. Bill Collins...
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

20. EUROFEST 2001
From: ROBLAMROCK_at_dml_aol.com

21. engine cover
From: "Lynn Metz" <metzlynn_at_dml_hotmail.com>

22. How to get the Angle Drive off?
From: "Andrei Cular" <acular1_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>

23. Re: mine too! - mixing cross-drilled brake rotors
From: "Skipper Landry" <sk1pper_at_dml_intersurf.com>

24. RE: Re: DELOREAN PARTS ON E-BAY
From: "Brandon" <bsmoody_at_dml_kih.net>

25. Re: Dusty RHD car.
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 06:27:45 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: Lucas Electrical

Had the headlight problem with a 2000 Chevy Cavalier I was trying to 
fix for a friend. After having the problem for about a week, it went 
away. Took the car in, but the dealership couldn't figure out what 
was wrong. Plus to replace the capsule bulb you have to remove both 
an access panel, AND the entire light assembly with the side marker 
lamps. A good design if you're a Goodwrench mechanic looking for job 
security!

Used to know a guy who owned a Geo. One day he got a letter from GM 
telling him to bring the car in for a recall. Turns out the SRS 
module was located under the cup holder. If liquid spilled out and 
onto the module, there was the posibility of firing the air bags. 
Recall turned out to be a plastic cover for the unit.

http://cg.superpages.com/cgi-bin/php/used/reports/full/maint?
CarRef=U68

There are ALOT more recalls for modern cars then most people realize. 
I feel safer in my 20 year old DeLorean then I do modern cars. And 
based off of what I've seen and experienced with other vehicles, I 
still consider Lucas to be far supierior then other electrical 
designs.

-Robert
vin 6585



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Jack Stiefel" <stiefel_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> I am not sure what cars you own, but I have never worried about 
spilling
> soda and blowing my cars airbags, nor have I ever seen my 
headlights do what
> you were referring.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 02:31:09 EDT
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: being nice to previous owners (was: New problem: fuel baffle)

In a message dated 4/17/01 2:14:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com writes:

<< Something else you may want to think about is contacting the former 
 owner. Find out where, when, and who exactly was the last person who 
 serviced the gas tank. If you're lucky they might just have it 
 sitting on a self somewhere. Be nice to them in the mean time, and 
 don't question anyone untill/if and when you have the part from them 
 in your hands. Like the saying goes, you can catch more flys with 
 honey...
  >>
Robert is right here, I remember a while back my car didn't have the 
passenger side cooling fan, I managed to get a hold of a previous owner of 
the car.  I had asked him a few things about it, and he told me about what 
had happened to the radiator (it blew  and the fan cowl that holds the 
cooling fans broke, and the passenger side cooling fan fell off).  Well sure 
enough he had it still, and he offered to send it to me, all I had to do was 
send him the cost of shipping.  Since the originals are well over $200.00 
each, I was very grateful that he sent it back to me and now its back in 
place where its supposed to be!  Happy ending, isn't it?  :)

Later,
Nick
1852
<A HREF="Http://members.aol.com/njp548">Http://members.aol.com/njp548</A>



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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:33:20 +0100
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
Subject: Dusty RHD car.

To Eurofest attendees, 

you may be interested to note that "Dusty" the barn find Right Hand Drive DeLorean has just passed its MOT test this morning ( an annual test required when a car is over 3 years old)  always an anxious time for any car owner!

She passed with flying colours!  Dispite not having a cat fitted its emissions were virtually nil! Brakes good, lights all working including the mandatory fog light.

Registration later this week, NEC next week, Eurofest in a month!

Mileage now up to four and a half ! ( that's miles BTW, not thousands!)
  

Best regards

Chris P DOC UK



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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 06:33:33 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: Louvre Latch

The very first thing I fixed on my D!
Simply slide the latch on the engine cover out a bit twards the edge. 
You may need to losen the nut's on the latch first. The latch sould 
catch with little effort once in place.

-Robert
vin 6585



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Fernando Dillard" <fdillard_at_dml_e...> wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
> 
>  
> 
> The latch on the louvre does not reach the catch on the engine 
compartment 
> cover. I tried adjusting the catch but it still doesn't reach. Has 
anyone else 
> experienced this?
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 07:42:10 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Where to get Angle Drive & Blower Fan noise

Tv, I can't help you with the angle drive, but I can help on the blower 
motor. Email me off the web site at www.specialTauto.com
John Hervey



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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:57:31 -0000
From: badgeman46_at_dml_hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Lucas Electrical

    I have worried about that for sure!! In my '94 Geo Prism (aka 
Toyota Corolla with some GM components) the airbag module is under 
the center console. I once spilled a cup of coffee on the center 
console and the airbag light came on. Luckily it didn't go off 
(Whew!), but about two months later I got the recall notice in the 
mail about airbags going off when liquid was spilled on the center 
console. As for the rest of the electrical system, I don't worry, the 
car was hit by lightening and the only consequence was a fried 
alternator. So British electrical systems are alright in my book, as 
they are usually easy to troubleshoot.

-Jay



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Jack Stiefel" <stiefel_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> I am not sure what cars you own, but I have never worried about 
spilling
> soda and blowing my cars airbags, nor have I ever seen my 
headlights do what
> you were referring.



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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:01:48 -0500
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Oil pan woes

Have you given any thought to drilling and tapping the hole to a larger
thread size?  How about helicoil.  A good shop/mechanic should be able to do
either of these operations.

Scott Mueller
DMCNEWS 002981
DOA 5031

-----Original Message-----
From: Payne [mailto:bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com]
Subject: [DML] Oil pan woes


Today I had the oil changed in my DeLorean at the Honda dealership where I
work.  We removed the drain plug only to find it completely stripped with
only about one or two threads at the top, it's a wonder it stayed in.  So
now I need a new drain plug.  Upon further inspection of the oil pan, the
threads inside are in almost the same shape.  Looks like I also need a new
oil pan, which leads me to my big question.

Brandon Payne
VIN 2975




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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:46:53 GMT
From: Jan van de wouw <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>
Subject: Re: Louvre Latch

Fernando Dillard wrote:

> The latch on the louvre does not reach the catch on the engine compartment 
> cover. I tried adjusting the catch but it still doesn't reach. Has anyone else 
> experienced this?

I experienced the same on my car, it became even worse when I adjusted the enginecover
forward so it would pop up free of the rear fascia.

DO NOT TRY TO REPOSITION THE LOUVRE if it hinges up free of the T-panel,
when you do adjust it, make sure you are not alone: this is not as easy as it looks. (I
hate to say this, but I know this from experience...)

When I had my Enginecover opening the right way I tried adjusting the catch on the cover,
but doing so I broke it in three pieces.
I wound up making a new catch from a couple of small bolts (M3 of M4, can't remember),
some nuts and a small strip of metal. 
I made it so that the strip is biased to the back of the car, so the latcht DOES catch,
works like a charm, I only have to soften the edges so I won't cut myself on it AGAIN... 
;-)

It it's obvious it isn't original when you see it, but I don't mind: 
my car isn't original in a lot of places, 
some by my own doing, some were that way when I bought it.
These are the things that make my car "MY CAR"...

Jan van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

Check out the DeLorean-Files at:
http://www.deloreanfiles.nl/
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:29:15 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Re: Where to get Angle Drive & Blower Fan noise


    The new Hard Core series Angle Drive available from PJ Grady is worth the 
money. I've had it in my car for 4 years now...no problems.

Sincerely,
Mike Pack
DOA 4743    
VIN 3713



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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:49:55 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: GullWing Door Seals

    
DML,

    The 1981 vehicles had a production change to the lower door still seals. 
The seals on the 1981 cars are "L"shaped.
      The 1982 & 1983 door seals are different in design, they are "U" shaped.

     These seals are attached on the lower part of the door, near the door 
lights. 

Does anyone have a new set of lower door seals?

Mike



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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 07:31:18 -0700
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Re: Louvre Latch

Yeah, I had that, would catch but wouldn't really latch (a good bump would see it
lift free and drop back down).   Got a length of threaded stock (any hardware
store), of slightly larger dimension (probably #8), put it in the vise and bent it
to have about a quarter or three-eighths inch (didn't measure, eyeballed it)
longer "grab" point than the stock unit,  it now latches perfectly.  I thought I
might dip it in dipping plastic so it wouldn't look like a piece of threaded stock
but that hasn't happened yet...put a little black tape around the catch point and
it looks good for now.  The original is really mickey mouse, very thin stock and
poor adjustment slots...now if someone would make a real one that would fit and do
the job...!



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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:51:52 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: Oil pan woes

It is not easy to remove the oil pan. The standard repair would be to 
install a thread repair like a Heli-coil or some such item. If it is 
really mangled up sometimes you can go to the next larger size. 
Another option would be to remove the oil pan, have a GOOD welder weld 
up the threads and retap. To do this involves unfastening the engine 
mounts and jacking up the motor for clearance. It sounds like you also 
need to buy a new drain plug and don't forget the copper gasket and an 
oil pan gasket if you remove it.(Not a simple or pleasant job!) Get a 
drain plug adapter and don't let a grease monkey strip the next 
one.This usually doesn't happen often but what might have happened is 
the origional plug got lost (fell in the oil can) and they substituted 
a plug with the wrong (american) threads. Although they got the plug 
in the threads were stripped so when you took out the plug you were 
screwed.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757

-- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> Today I had the oil changed in my DeLorean at the Honda dealership 
where I
> work.  We removed the drain plug only to find it completely stripped 
with
> only about one or two threads at the top, it's a wonder it stayed 
in. 




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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:52:03 -0000
From: graves_14_at_dml_hotmail.com
Subject: Re: DELOREAN PARTS ON E-BAY

I was thinking it might be fun to have a contest (no prizes though) 
to see who could identify the most parts in jimilime's miscellaneous 
parts picture. I can only identify three or so parts.

Tyler.


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., qrorell_at_dml_a... wrote:
> To all,
> Somebody is parting a delorean on e-bay.
> Mostly small stuff and both doors. It looks like the car was 
sitting in the open for a few years by the look of the parts. But if 
you are looking for parts cheap and need some small stuff. the link: 
ishttp://cgi6.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewListedItems&userid=jimilime
>



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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:26:31 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Eurofest and Concours

In preparation for the upcoming "Millennium: The De Lorean Motor Company
Concours" to be held in Belfast next month, I am in need of a few more
judges for the event. If anyone has an interest, please contact me via email
if you will be attending and are interested being considered for a judging
position. Read the comments of previous Millennium judges here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/message/3746
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/message/3780

Feel free to contact me for more details...

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas 

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com 



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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:02:00 -0000
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com
Subject: Re: Oil pan woes

Before removing the oil pan, I would suggest trying to tap the hole 
to a larger size and using a "Time Sert" thread repair. I know that 
they make sizes that fit Spark plug threads so I am assuming that 
they will have a size to fit the drain plug thread. This way will be 
allot less work, be very reliable, cheaper and easier. The thread 
insert kit (contains the tools and the insert itself) run between $30-
$50. I would recommend staying away from the HeliCoil brand. They 
tend to distort and even "thread out" as you are installing the bolt. 
I used the Helicoil to repair the treads for the water pump and found 
it coming out the other end as I was tightening the bolt (since there 
is no back to the threaded hole where the water pump bolts go into, 
just a continuos hole all the way through). If that happens with the 
oil pan, then you may risk having to take of the oil pan off to get 
the insert out. The TimeSert inserts have a lip that prevent that 
from happening and are a solid sleeve (the helicoils are just a 
Stainless steel wound "wire" type).The Timeserts come in a varity of 
sizes, I am currently using it to repair the threading on the heads 
for the exhaust manifold bolts.

Steve Rubano




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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:26:31 EDT
From: jus4sho_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: mixing cross-drilled brake rotors

Walt, I can answer your question as to why Porsche can use "drilled" rotors!  
The rotors that are used by porsche are actually cast with the holes already 
in them.  This causes the metals grain structure to go AROUND the holes thus 
eliminating stress concentrations caused by drilling THROUGH the grain in a 
rotor that was cast without the holes.

As for whether or not to use cross-drilled rotors...for daily driver, maybe 
not, but for a mostly show vehicle...YES!  major aesthetic points in my book. 
 Project Delorean will sport cross-drilled, vented rortors.

Steve
    VIN 2650 ("Project Delorean')
    www.angelfire.com/md2/projectdelorean



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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:18:45 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: The FOURTH gold DeLorean

Everyone knows about the two American Express gold plated DeLoreans, and the
very last DeLorean made, using the spare set of panels. But I doubt there
are more than a handful of people who know about the fourth gold plated
DeLorean.

In 1983-1984 it was advertised for sale in Hemmings, and I inquired about it
then just out of curiousity. I received a photo and a copy of the
"spectrochemical analysis" dated March of 1983 done on the car. I kept the
copy of the report and recently spoke with the company that did the
analysis.

The VIN that I have from the report is SCEDT26T7BD001542, and the owner at
the time was Dr. Michael Feldman of North Woodmere, NY. Efforts to reach him
today has been unsuccessful. Anyone live near there want to give it a shot?

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas 

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com 




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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:05:00 EDT
From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Louvre Latch

Yes, I have
The fine people on this list instructed me to loosen the "hinges" that the 
engine cover is on, and you can slide it either way, depending where it is. 

That's the only way I can think of.
John Feldman
VIN 4275


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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:20:52 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Bill Collins...

There was someone on the DML a year or two ago that had located and
contacted Bill Collins. If you are still on the DML, would you please
contact me via email - james(at)usadmc.com? Thank you.

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas 

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com 




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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:06:46 EDT
From: ROBLAMROCK_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: EUROFEST 2001

Just a reminder that there are only ten days left before postal registration 
closes for Eurofest 2001.  
Europa hotel reporting a few rooms left.
There are now representatives from 14 different countries attending and a 
record number of DeLorean cars returning to the factory and the test track 
for the very last time.  Stephen Wynne and Rob Grady will be there - will you?
Robert Lamrock
Belfast



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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:25:16 -0700
From: "Lynn Metz" <metzlynn_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: engine cover

Dear list:
With recent talk of the Louvre, I have an engine cover question.  How do I 
tighten the bolts that connect the engine cover to the body?  It appears 
that the bolt/nut is inside the fiberglass body.  Do I need to get to this 
from underneath, around the engine or from inside the car?  Any help 
appreciated.  Thanks

Brian Vin #16584
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:31:08 -0400
From: "Andrei Cular" <acular1_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: How to get the Angle Drive off?

I wanted to pull my angle drive off to lube it up but cant get the nut off.
I had a 5ft cheater bar and had my brother help me.  We ended up lifting the
car....  Is it maybe a reverse thread?  I have been soaking it with
pentrating oil and will continue to till SAT when I can work on it again.
If that doesnt work does anyone have any ideas or tricks short of pulling
the wheel bearings and heating it with a torch?


Andrei






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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:38:25 -0500
From: "Skipper Landry" <sk1pper_at_dml_intersurf.com>
Subject: Re: mine too! - mixing cross-drilled brake rotors

    im running them on my Project Redhead (www.sk1pper.com) and have all 4.
not only do they feel better, they SOUND wicked! its like a small jet is
landing! im also gonna have them painted / pouter coated yellow with the
callipers! this will give the edges and the holes a very nice look!

skipper landry
#10246




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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:47:51 -0400
From: "Brandon" <bsmoody_at_dml_kih.net>
Subject: RE: Re: DELOREAN PARTS ON E-BAY

> I was thinking it might be fun to have a contest (no prizes though) 
> to see who could identify the most parts in jimilime's miscellaneous 
> parts picture. I can only identify three or so parts.
> 
> Tyler.

Fuel Baffle
Intertia Switch
Coolant bottle bracket
Qtr. Panel louver
Part of outer door seal
Fuse panel cover
Speedo-drive cap
Battery strap clasp
Door AC Vent
License plate bracket- front ( 2 )
Edge strip 108131
AC support bracket
105283 - dash bracket
wiring harness


Ok.  I was bored !

-Brandon




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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:02:07 -0500
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Dusty RHD car.

Four and half miles? Is that lowest personally owned DMC12?

Also, I'd like to see your fog light setup.

----- Original Message -----

From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
> To Eurofest attendees,
>
> you may be interested to note that "Dusty" the barn find Right Hand Drive
DeLorean has just passed its MOT test this morning ( an annual test required
when a car is over 3 years old)  always an anxious time for any car owner!
>
> Registration later this week, NEC next week, Eurofest in a month!
>
> Mileage now up to four and a half ! ( that's miles BTW, not thousands!)
>
>
> Best regards
>
> Chris P DOC UK



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