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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 508
Date: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 11:32 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. RE: DMC Tech - Final Update (LONG)
From: "Ryan Wright" <irwright_at_dml_earthlink.net>

2. missing radio
From: "David Silek" <dsilek_at_dml_email.msn.com>

3. REMINDER: TODAY April 18th is the deadline for Europa Hotel reservations!
From: tmasterlc_at_dml_msn.com

4. Re: Items on ebay
From: Jan van de wouw <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>

5. Re: engine cover - response
From: "sk1pper" <sk1pper_at_dml_intersurf.com>

6. Additional Gold DeLorean & 'Chromed' D?
From: Joe Fedeli <fedeli_at_dml_excite.com>

7. Re: DMC Tech - Final Update (LONG)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

8. Re: DELOREAN PARTS ON E-BAY
From: Dave Stragand <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>

9. Re: How to get the Angle Drive off?
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>

10. RE: how to loosen fuel distributor screws
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

11. Re: Oil pan woes
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

12. Re: how to loosen fuel distributer screws
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

13. Re: corrosion in my fuel system
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

14. Re: Oil pan woes
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

15. RE: DMC Tech - Final Update (LONG)
From: "Jack & Virginia Stiefel" <stiefel_at_dml_minalco.com>

16. my car on TV
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

17. Re: How to get the Angle Drive off?
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

18. Re: DELOREAN PARTS ON E-BAY
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

19. Searching www.dmcnews.com
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

20. Re: Oil pan woes
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

21. Re: engine cover
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

22. Re: DELOREAN PARTS ON E-BAY
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

23. Re: DELOREAN PARTS ON E-BAY
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

24. Re: Additional Gold DeLorean & 'Chromed' D?
From: Horseman of PA <the_horseman_pa_at_dml_yahoo.com>

25. Re: Torsion bar on ebay
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:30:41 -0700
From: "Ryan Wright" <irwright_at_dml_earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: DMC Tech - Final Update (LONG)

I suppose I don't understand the problem. People post, someone organizes the
info and puts it on another web site. This is no different from the
archives.

Regardless, I suggest a slightly different (or maybe not) approach. I don't
know why this hasn't been done yet; the Fiero community has done it as long
as I can remember: People who have repaired items on their cars writeup
quick & dirty instructions and post them to the list. The good ones are
consumed, saved, put on web pages and distributed by the rest of us. I've
got detailed instructions on everything Fiero related from headlight
adjustment to engine replacement. These documents often have the author's
name on them, assuming he or she bothered to put it there.

So, why hasn't the DeLorean community done this?

I suggest anyone who has repaired/replaced something on their DeLorean take
5 minutes to detail the procedure and post it not only to the DML but also
to DMCTech. I'll take every single one of them and put them on my web site
for all to see. If others want to do the same, it makes the information that
much easier to find. And I promise when I finally get my own DeLorean, the
first thing I fix that someone hasn't already detailed, I'll detail myself.

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| , |      ___   ___ _  -- Ryan P. Wright (ryan_at_dml_ryanwright.com)
| _/__  __/ _ \ |   | | -- http://www.ryanwright.com
|   \ \/ / /_\ \| | | | -- Enthusiast of Fieros, DeLoreans, Hovercraft,
|_|\_\  /_/---\_\_|___| -- and other unique modes of transportation.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 02:54:17 -0400
From: "David Silek" <dsilek_at_dml_email.msn.com>
Subject: missing radio

I discovered over Easter Break when I went home that someone helped
themselves to my OLD (read original) radio in my D.  Any suggestions for a
replacement?

Thanks,
David Silek
Front Royal, VA




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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 07:35:12 -0000
From: tmasterlc_at_dml_msn.com
Subject: REMINDER: TODAY April 18th is the deadline for Europa Hotel reservations!

Check your reservation forms because TODAY (April 18th) is the 
deadline listed for the Europa Hotel!!!

See ya...




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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:33:23 GMT
From: Jan van de wouw <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>
Subject: Re: Items on ebay

Is this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=581003794

really a torsion bar? It looks too thin and too long to me.
For size reference: the white thing sticking into the picture 
at the bottom is the toe of a shoe...

This bar looks more like the one in the engine bay near the resistors;
the one all the cables are tied to...

Also, if it were a torsion bar, wouldn't the ends look different?
Just wondering since I've never seen one out of the car...

Jan van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

Check out the DeLorean-Files at:
http://www.deloreanfiles.nl/
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 07:36:35 -0500
From: "sk1pper" <sk1pper_at_dml_intersurf.com>
Subject: Re: engine cover - response

    yes, behind the back verticle panel against the engine bay is where the
nuts are. there are three per hinge. a socket set or a small/medium cresent
rench will do the trick!!

good luck!!

skipper landry
vin # 10246




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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 05:56:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe Fedeli <fedeli_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: Additional Gold DeLorean & 'Chromed' D?

     There was also another Gold Painted DeLorean that sat sadly in the
parking lot of the 'Unclaimed Freight' store near Bethlehem, PA off of
I22/I78 from around 1985 till about 1989 then disappeared.  It was owned by
the then owner of the store (I talked to him several times).  I have a
picture of it somewhere in sad shape _at_dml_ home.  He had it 'painted' in real
gold flakes by someone locally as I recall, however, he left it outside to
the winter and summer ravages of weather, with windows open...need I say
more.  The car then was broken into, stereo removed with a crow bar it
looked, and gold 'scrapped' off from various locations on the body...guess
someone was going to make a gold ring or chain.  Additionally, before the
car got in this sad shape, it was bright and shiney going down the road.  I
saw this several times.  The guy told me he had taken it (drove it) to a
show or business somewhere for display, and covered the car on the return
trip on an open back trailer after he had recently had the gold
applied...need I say more regarding the 'flapping motion' of the cover and
damage to the 'paint' (gold).  It was a several hundred mile trip from what
he told me as I recall.  He was upset when he got home after spending all
that money on the gold and then lost ALL interest in the car from that point
on.  I tried to buy it from him several times, however, he was not
interested as he 'lost so much money' on the gold process.  He did not even
want to talk about the car and repeatedly told me he did not care what
happened to it (but would not sell it either).  Just wondering what ever
happened to it?  He also told me that the same shop that did the gold work
for him was working a another DeLorean to have the pannels all chrome plated
when they 'painted' his car.  The shop was going out of business due to the
EPA restrictions according to him regarding the chroming process.  He told
me it was "very bright from those panels that were done".  Does anyone know
about this car and if it was ever completed (chromed car)?  Sorry, I do not
recall the vin on the gold car...too long ago.
Joe Fedeli





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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 06:17:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: DMC Tech - Final Update (LONG)


To Wayne's LONG Final Update, here's my SHORT Final
Reply:  Thank You Wayne!  Keep up the good work!

Dick Ryan
VIN 16867

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:23:29 -0400
From: Dave Stragand <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>
Subject: Re: DELOREAN PARTS ON E-BAY

Now you know how -I- felt with my car... =)

-Dave Stragand
http://www.ProjectVixen.com

-----Original Message-----
From:  "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re:  DELOREAN PARTS ON E-BAY

Second, I feel like I'm watching Quincy (err...maybe CSI)  or some gruesome
aftermath of a plane crash - and here are fragments of what's left of the
body.   It's a sad sight overall.




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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:27:05 -0000
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
Subject: Re: How to get the Angle Drive off?

I just did this last weekend.  I had to remove the brake caliper and 
set it aside to move the brake line out of the way.  I then turned 
the wheel all the way to the right, and put an adjustable wrench ($20 
cheaper than the 1 1/2" wrench) with a 4 foot pipe horizontally  
(level with the ground) on it facing the rear of the car.  I then 
pushed down on that has hard as I could.  After a few tries and 3-4 
hours earlier of constant WD-40 applications, it poped free.  It is 
not reverse threaded.

Question though, if you are just going to lube it, you do not need to 
remove it.  There is a little screw on the opposide end of the cable, 
which you can remove to inject some oil/grease or whatever.  Only 
remove the angle drive if you are replacing it like I was.  Good luck.

Jim Reeve
MNDMC - Minnesota DeLorean Club
DMC-6960

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Andrei Cular" <acular1_at_dml_t...> wrote:
> I wanted to pull my angle drive off to lube it up but cant get the 
nut off.
> 
> Andrei




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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:30:49 -0500
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: how to loosen fuel distributor screws

Andy,

The screws turn CCW to remove.  Sometimes you can loosen stubborn screws by
placing the correct size screw driver in the screw head, then give the
screwdriver handle a solid tap on the end with a dead blow hammer.  A dead
blow hammer is filled with lead shot so the hammer does not bounce.  Be
careful, and do not beat the thing to death because of your frustration.

When your car is repaired and running again, you may be one of the more
knowledgeable owners on the net.

Scott Mueller
DMCNEWS 002981
DOA 5031

-----Original Message-----
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:Soma576_at_dml_aol.com]

hey guys,

i know this sounds like a really stupid question, but it is in fact quite
serious! how the heck do you turn the three mounting screws on the fuel distributer so you can remove it?!?!  andy



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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:45:44 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: Oil pan woes

In many cases the sender switch on the left rear of the engine for the 
oil light leaks, runs down the side of the motor and then runs around 
the rail of the oil pan making it look like it is the oil pan gasket. 
Check out the switch, remove and reseal with silicone and see if you 
don't have to remove the oil pan. You may anyway to repair the threads 
in the drain but maybe not.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> The mechanic who looked at it suggested most methods of repairing 
the hole. But the only reason I have to remove the oil pan is because the 
gasket is leaking. 

> payne
> #2975




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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:58:16 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: how to loosen fuel distributer screws

Steel bolts threaded into aluminum can "freeze" into it so any attempt 
to remove will result in either stripped threads or broken bolts.There 
are many "tricks" mechanics use short of brute force. Here are a 
couple:
Sometimes hitting the head with a hammer can shock the bolt loose.
Sometimes tightening and loosening in small increments will do it.
Sometimes fluids can do it but the trick is to get it to the threads 
on a long bolt.
One of the best methods I have tried is to heat the head of the bolt 
cherry red and let it cool. Do it several times, let it cool and then 
try to remove.
In most cases if the bolt is that stubborn then the best you can hope 
for is to strip the threads but at least you don't break the bolt. Be 
prepared to rethread with a Heli-coil or similar and worst case drill 
out the broken bolt.(It isn't easy, if you are not dead center you 
will wind up off center and into the soft aluminum). Since it is the 
fuel system we are talking about I don't think heat is an option. When 
reinstalling use an anti-seize compound so this doesn't happen again.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757




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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:08:08 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: corrosion in my fuel system

If you see corrosion on the inside surfaces of the fuel system that 
means water has gotten in. The ENTIRE system must be cleaned. If you 
fail to do so the corrosion will come loose later and cause all kinds 
of problems. The Bosch system is very reliable but like all fuel 
injection systems it cannot tolerate DIRT. If you don't want to 
replace everything get bottle brushes and clean EVERYTHING. Some 
things that you can't get inside of will need to be replaced like the 
pump, filter, and accumulater. I would be very concerned about the 
condition of the fuel lines running front to rear.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> today while dismantling my fuel system in the engine compartment, i 
removed all the injectors and hoses.  i have found light to mild levels of 
corrosion around the insides of the banjo fittings as well as in the inside of 
the injectors where the hollow bolt goes into. 

> Soma576_at_dml_a...
> 1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
> Fargo, ND 58102



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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:29:35 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Oil pan woes

Payne,

Are you sure you have a oil pan gasket leak. If the gasket is the factory
installed part it should not leak. If the oil leak is concentrated at the
left rear corner of the pan you probably have a leaky oil sender switch. If
the dripping is at the rear center you may have a leaky front crankshaft lip
seal.

DMC Joe

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>




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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:43:33 -0400
From: "Jack & Virginia Stiefel" <stiefel_at_dml_minalco.com>
Subject: RE: DMC Tech - Final Update (LONG)

I may be overstepping my bounds as I have not had to do a tremendous amount
of searching of the archives recently, but one thing comes to mind.  What
the heck is this going to be?  I mean all the information is there in the
backissues for anyone to search right?  And for the last 4 years that I have
been a member, only a small portion of posts come from people saying they
had searched the archives and were unable to find their answer.  Those
questions come in and are answered very quickly, even sometimes by the
original author providing the link to the backissue.  I am unclear as to
what the problem is and why there needed to be a regurgitation of duplicate
information placed anywhere in the first place?

This all seems to be a lot of work for nothing.  I mean simple filing rules
apply. I don't have 2 files in my desk drawer for each company I deal with,
that would be absurd.  We have data dating back to the origins of the DML,
in a searchable form, is that not good enough?

Someone stop me here if I have missed something big besides the problem with
searching so many archives...But eventually won't the new list end up the
same way over time?  Or won't this confuse new members who are looking for
information?

I have had the opportunity to discuss this with others from the list, who
share the same concerns, so I am not alone here.

Remember, these are just the ramblings of a dumb kid who just woke up, and
retaliation can be directed to me privately.


Jack & Virginia Stiefel
1981 DeLorean Vin 03461 August 1981 Build NYS Lic: 1981 DMC
1997 Red BMW Z3 Convertible 6 cyl
1999 Ford Expedition 4x4 Eddie Bauer Edition
2001 Black PT Cruiser Limited w/ Flames

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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:56:06 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: my car on TV

Hey all,

for anyone out there who is in the midwest and gets the station Prairie 
Public Television (PBS), my DeLorean will be featured in a 30 minute special 
called "Campus News".  when my car was in the Toppers Show early this month, 
mass comm students from Moorhead State University, MN called me up and asked 
if i would let them do an interview and photoshoot with my car.  of course i 
said yes, and it turns out that they were making a 30 minute show all about 
my car!  

it airs on PBS at 10:30am central time on Sunday, April 29th.  if you go to 
PBS.org, look to see if it will be in your area.  the show is called "Campus 
News".

rock on!
Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:14:20 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: How to get the Angle Drive off?


Do not remove the angle drive to lubricate!

Only remove the angle drive nut if you need to replace the part.

    You can lubricate at two points, the entrance for the lower cable & a set 
screw on the front of the angle drive.

Sincerely,
Mike Pack
DOA 4743
VIN 3713



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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:21:13 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: DELOREAN PARTS ON E-BAY




How do you know that the parts are not from a stolen car?
Why does he need to sell so quickly?

Anyone watch the film "Gone in 60 seconds"?

Anyone tried to email the seller on the history of the car?

Based on the information provided in previous cannibalizing efforts, the 
seller usually provides the history and VIN of the car. 


Mike



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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:47:35 -0500
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: Searching www.dmcnews.com

There has been some discussion recently about the difficulty of searching
our now-huge DMCNEWS archive and tech section. The current search engine is
the default MS Front-page search utility, which is somewhat arcane to use
and not very well-featured. The alternative texix/lexis search is better but
takes a while to update. BUT  - there is a very neat alternative that I have
recently discovered.

If you use the site www.google.com, you'd find that it has indexed the
DMCNEWS web site very well. If you click on "advanced search" on the main
google page, it brings up a screen where you can set some search
limitations. Tell it to search only the domain dmcnews.com. In the area
where you enter what you are looking for, you can tell it to look for exact
phrases or words. Even more notable, Google keeps a locally cached copy of
all the files searched, and if you click on the cached files link when you
get your results, the "words found" are brightly highlighted. Another
benefit is that as I rearrange  and streamline the file structure of the
archive in the coming weeks, the material cached at Google will still work
even if the links to the main page breaks.

An added benefit of Google is that as people perform searches, it "learns"
what links get followed the most and raises their priority in future
searches. This would be very difficult to duplicate in a server-based search
engine. The more you-all use this, the better it will work!

I have no affiliation with Google, I just know a very cool product when I
see it.

Just for fun try searching on your own name or email ID in dmcnews. If you
want to see something that's almost scary, put your name and state in the
form "John Smith TX" (without the quotes) in the search blank on the MAIN
google page. Look at the very top of the search results. YEOW.

I'll add a link to this on the DMCNews backissues and tech sections shortly.

Dave Swingle







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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:52:05 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Oil pan woes

In a message dated 4/18/01 1:07:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com writes:

<< now I'm
 getting made fun of even more from all the people at my work who hate
 DeLoreans.  >>

DeLoreans don't strip their own oil plug threads.  Pea brained mechanics do.

-Wayne
vin 11174



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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:52:04 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: engine cover

In a message dated 4/18/01 1:19:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
fdillard_at_dml_earthlink.net writes:

<< How do I tighten the bolts that connect the engine cover to the body?
  >>
While you're going to the trouble... check your hinges to see if they're a 
bit rusted.  This would be a good time to repaint or powder coat them, if 
they need it.

Wayne A. Ernst
DMCTech Group



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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:25:08 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: DELOREAN PARTS ON E-BAY

It looks like someone picked up all of the parts from the train wreck 
in the movie and is selling them a pile at a time!
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Dave Stragand <dave.stragand_at_dml_k...> wrote:
> Now you know how -I- felt with my car... =)
> 
> -Dave Stragand
> http://www.ProjectVixen.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_b...>
> Subject: Re:  DELOREAN PARTS ON E-BAY
> 
> Second, I feel like I'm watching Quincy (err...maybe CSI)  or some 
gruesome
> aftermath of a plane crash - and here are fragments of what's left 
of the
> body.   It's a sad sight overall.




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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:26:14 -0400
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: DELOREAN PARTS ON E-BAY


> How do you know that the parts are not from a stolen car?

We don't... this is a good question. But from the looks of the parts, they
are VERY dusty and look like they've been sitting in a garage for years.
And if it was stolen, why would they tear it apart to such a degree, like
stripping all the components off the doors?  I suppose it could have been
stolen a decade ago and now is just making its appearance one piece at a
time.

> Why does he need to sell so quickly?

I would guess he's trying to empty out the garage.

> Anyone tried to email the seller on the history of the car?

Yes, I did a few days ago while inquiring about a part, and he ignored the
question, but answered the question about the part.

> Based on the information provided in previous cannibalizing efforts, the
> seller usually provides the history and VIN of the car.

Yes, it would be good to know what really happened to this poor car.

-Hank #1619 (all in one piece!)






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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:37:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Horseman of PA <the_horseman_pa_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Additional Gold DeLorean & 'Chromed' D?

I drive past unclamined freight every day! I never
thought there would of been a DeLorean there. That is
a sad story, hope that this poor DeLorean was fixed
back up and not parted out. I hate to se Ds parted out
it's like loosing one moreservivor of a forgoton area.

Wayne

--- Joe Fedeli <fedeli_at_dml_excite.com> wrote:
>      There was also another Gold Painted DeLorean
> that sat sadly in the
> parking lot of the 'Unclaimed Freight' store near
> Bethlehem, PA 



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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:04:43 -0000
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
Subject: Re: Torsion bar on ebay

Yes that is a torsion bar.  When removed from the mounts and the door 
hinges this is what it looks like.  HOWEVER, I STRONGLY RECOMMEND 
AGAINST buying/bidding on this part.  It is laying on gravel, since 
the person selling all of these parts doesn't seem to know much about 
the car, all bets are this person simply dropped this on the ground, 
thus scratching or gouging it.  It would be very unsafe to put this 
back into the car and wind it up.  Just somthing I thought I should 
add.

Jim Reeve
MNDMC - Minnesota DeLorean Club
DMC-6960

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Jan van de wouw <Jan_at_dml_v...> wrote:
> Is this:
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=581003794
> 
> really a torsion bar? It looks too thin and too long to me.





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