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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 528
Date: Friday, May 04, 2001 2:33 AM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Front End Recall Kit
From: "B Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>

2. Re: Door Ajar Light/Voltmeter/CD Player
From: theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com

3. Craig Radio Flex Cable Repair
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

4. RE: DeLorean Body Kit & Door Rubber
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

5. June 29th Car Show pics now online
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

6. Installing new fronnt springs & Re. Front end recall kits
From: dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com

7. RE: Wide Black Side stripes
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

8. re: hood question
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

9. Thin Grey stripes (was: Wide Black Sidestripes)
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com

10. Re: Craig Radio Flex Cable Repair
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

11. Re: Thin Grey stripes (was: Wide Black Sidestripes)
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

12. Remote starters
From: "Jeff" <Gr8old1_at_dml_aol.com>

13. Recalls (was: Installing new fronnt springs & Front end recall ki ts)
From: "Wright, Ryan (LW)" <Ryan.Wright_at_dml_lambweston.com>

14. seeking audio advice
From: "Richard Ractliffe" <rractlif_at_dml_hotmail.com>

15. clonking noise
From: paulheymeson_at_dml_thefreeinternet.co.uk

16. Re: First Right hand drive DeLorean
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>

17. Re: Re: Craig Radio Flex Cable Repair
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

18. RE: Remote starters
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_hscis.net>

19. Re: Wide Black Sidestripes
From: "Jake" <jkampho_at_dml_siue.edu>

20. Re: Remote starters
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

21. Re: Remote starters
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

22. A problem!
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

23. Re. Front end recall kits
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

24. Mystery Delorean at Escondido, CA Cruise Night
From: "David Cox" <dmcox_at_dml_tfb.com>

25. fuel pump
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 20:07:29 -0700
From: "B Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: Front End Recall Kit




> *****  Moderator's Note  ********
> There are two front-end recalls - one for ball joints and
> one for the roll bar/crumple tube strengthening.  The ball
> joint recall is the more serious of the two.
> *****

 Actually there was a third part of it which double nutted the sway bar to
the lower control arm.

Bruce Benson




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 02:22:54 -0000
From: theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Door Ajar Light/Voltmeter/CD Player

Well, I took the car out for a drive today to test the cd player and
my voltmeter/door ajar light problem fixed itself.  The cd player
sounds and looks great!  The best part is it only draws 10 amps,
so it puts less strain on the electrical system than the stock ASI,
which is fused at 15 amps if I'm not mistaken.  The whole system
also only cost me around $375, $225 for the player and $150 for
the speakers.

John Yeoman





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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 17:54:15 -0700
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Craig Radio Flex Cable Repair

If you no longer plan to play tapes and just want your display working,
here are a few tips.  First of all, as everyone cautions, you must be
able to solder well above average.  The traces are close together and
you must get on and off quickly else the traces will lift up out of the
plastic and make you sorry you started the whole thing.  The main
problem beyond that is that the traces are in such close proximity that
it's very easy to solder across two or three traces at the same time.
Here's what I suggest.  Start from one side only, whichever is
comfortable for you, then just bare one trace at a time as you go along,
this leaves the traces in one direction still embedded in the tough
plastic and you can kind of "lean" that way as you solder.  To bare a
trace, use a sharp razor blade, or equivalent (I use a carpet cutting
blade) and scrape only enough to make the joint, appox. 1/8th inch each
side. The heat of the iron is also important, I use a 30 watt with a
pointed tip (purchased at Radio shack for about $7).  Too low doesn't
solder quickly enough and too high is too quick, there needs to be sort
of a rhythm.

In removing the display assembly, detach the return spring from the
case, not from the display, also, note the amount of tension, it's about
one turn, you should put the same amount of tension on the spring when
you refasten it.  Not as important as if you were doing it with wires
and planning to play tapes, but why not do it right.

My prototype had all 16 traces separated, if you still have some intact,
it's very easy to check with an Ohmmeter to determine which need the
repair.  There's a distinct crease where the breaks occur, no problem
finding that.  I coated the finished repair with radio-TV service cement
but could be Duco or shellac or nothing at all, It's not going anywhere.

If this lacks clarity, let me know, it's hard to tell where someone's
skill level lies.

Les





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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 22:31:38 -0400
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: RE: DeLorean Body Kit & Door Rubber

You can get them from Rob Grady at www.pjgrady.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com [mailto:dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com]
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 8:38 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] DeLorean Body Kit & Door Rubber


Hi all,

I am sure that I saw a DeLorean with some kind of body kit on it on 
the net a while ago. Is there a specific body kit for the DeLorean 
and if so does anyone know were I could get one from, and how much it 
costs.

Also doe anyone know whether you can get hold of the outer door seal 
of the roll rather than in pre cut lenghts?. It seems rather 
expensive from all of the DeLorean vendors I have looked at on line 
in comparison to other rubbers I have brought.

Thanks

James 
UK



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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 22:38:49 -0400
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: June 29th Car Show pics now online

Hi Everyone..

Sorry this took so long, but the pictures from the June 29th Englishtown NJ
car show are now on line.  We had 4 DMCs in attendance, and I also got some
nice pictures of some of the other cars!

pics can be seen at www.abato.net/dmc/engtown/engtown.htm

P.S.  I GOT MY NEW PLATES!!!  :)   My car now proudly has "BCKNTYM" on the
back!

Kevin Abato
Vin# 16680




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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 08:58:51 -0000
From: dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com
Subject: Installing new fronnt springs & Re. Front end recall kits

<"There are two front-end recalls - one for ball joints and
one for the roll bar/crumple tube strengthening.  The ball 
joint recall is the more serious of the two.">

Where can I get these recall kits from, does anyone know the part 
numbers?, are they fairly easy to fit?, also how do I know if my 
DeLorean has had the ball joint recall, if someone could upload some 
pitures of B4 and after to the files section I would be most 
greatfull.

on Anouther note, does anyone have any advice on installing the front 
springs, I have brought some new lower springs and was wondering if 
anyone had any advice on installing them. I have installed suspension 
springs on anouther car B4 and Io have the nessasary equipment but if 
any one has and advice it would be most appreciated.

Regards


James RG
England






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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 07:15:14 -0500
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Wide Black Side stripes

20 DeLoreans all lined up at a show are not IDENTICAL.  That's why there are
1st, 2nd, and 3rd place trophy's ;>)

Scott Mueller
DMCNEWS 002981
DOA 5031

-----Original Message-----
From: Sal celeste

They dress up the D and
help eliminate the old line: "When you've seen one Delorean you've seen 'em
all!" Aren't you guys (gals) sick of looking at 20 of exactly the same car
at every show?




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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 07:03:02 -0500
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: re: hood question

I have gas flap and grooves. 
August 1981 Build

Scott Mueller
DMCNEWS 002981
DOA 5031

-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Foster 


Kurt,
I can for sure answer the grooved hood Question. They were the 81 model.
The Gas flap hood was early '81.

>From: "Kurt Cenin" <markurbec_at_dml_elroynet.com>
>Also, what Deloreans were made with the hoods with the grooves?
>
>
>Thanks
>Dan




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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 15:01:06 -0000
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com
Subject: Thin Grey stripes (was: Wide Black Sidestripes)

Speaking of stripes, does anyone know if the thin Grey stripes are 
available? I saw them on a couple of cars at the NJ door adjustment 
gathering the other weekend and I liked them. :)

Steve

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Sal celeste" <Rustproof_at_dml_p...> wrote:
> Come on , Marc. Wait and see. There are 3 new stripes kits being 
produced by
> DMC in addition to the original standard wide sidestripe. I've seen 
the new
> designs and they are very, very cool. (ala ITAL D) They dress up 
the D and
> help eliminate the old line: "When you've seen one Delorean you've 
seen 'em
> all!" Aren't you guys (gals) sick of looking at 20 of exactly the 
same car
> at every show?




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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 17:54:25 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: Craig Radio Flex Cable Repair

Unfortunatly you cannot consider your method a "repair". Unless you 
seal the cassette door so you cannot insert a tape (thereby deleting 
the cassette player) the fix cannot last. No matter how expert you are 
at soldering one of two things will happen. Either the solder will 
crack at the flex or the traces will break alongside your repair. The 
only "cure" is to either replace and reroute the flex or make up a 
multi ribbon cable to replace it. Probably the most cost effective way 
around is to just replace the radio with either the ASI or something 
better. That still leaves the question of what to do with the clock.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> If you no longer plan to play tapes and just want your display 
working,
> here are a few tips.  First of all, as everyone cautions, you must 
be
> able to solder well above average.  The traces are close together 





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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:13:00 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Re: Thin Grey stripes (was: Wide Black Sidestripes)

The grey stripes (original, not repro) are available from all the vendors.
We have a good quantity in the warehouse...part # A2000020, $75.51

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas 

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com

> From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com
> Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 15:01:06 -0000
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DML] Thin Grey stripes (was: Wide Black Sidestripes)
> 
> Speaking of stripes, does anyone know if the thin Grey stripes are
> available? I saw them on a couple of cars at the NJ door adjustment
> gathering the other weekend and I liked them. :)
> 
> Steve




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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 19:26:16 -0000
From: "Jeff" <Gr8old1_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Remote starters

Greetings all.. I am now in the market for picking up my first D, I 
am looking to get a stick, due to better driving experience vs. an 
automatic. Trouble is, Many places it is illegal to have a remote 
start on a standard shift because if you leave it in gear and try to 
start it, it may start moving and could run over somebody. My 
question is, has anyone come across a security system that has the 
proper sensors to disengage the starter if left in gear? I really 
would like to remote start the vehicle for A/C in the heat, and heat 
in the winter,  due to the obvious lack of full-size windows. Most 
systems only work on an automatic.




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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 10:58:31 -0700
From: "Wright, Ryan (LW)" <Ryan.Wright_at_dml_lambweston.com>
Subject: Recalls (was: Installing new fronnt springs & Front end recall ki ts)

*****  Moderator's Note  *****
Contact any of the DeLorean parts vendors for a complete list of the 
various recalls issued by the factory.  You can also look at the 
DeLorean FAQ and the Publications section of teh DMC News website
at www.dmcnets.com 


I'd like to find a listing of all DeLorean recalls, their importance, how to
tell if they have been performed, where to purchase & how difficult to
install. Is anything like this available? It would really help us soon-to-be
owners with the purchasing & "post-purchase-attention" processes.

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| _/__  __/ _ \ |   | | -- Web Operations Analyst, Lamb-Weston, Inc.
|   \ \/ / /_\ \| | | | -- Email: ryan.wright_at_dml_lambweston.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com [mailto:dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 1:59 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Installing new fronnt springs & Re. Front end recall kits


<"There are two front-end recalls - one for ball joints and
one for the roll bar/crumple tube strengthening.  The ball 
joint recall is the more serious of the two.">

Where can I get these recall kits from, does anyone know the part 
numbers?, are they fairly easy to fit?, also how do I know if my 
DeLorean has had the ball joint recall, if someone could upload some 
pitures of B4 and after to the files section I would be most 
greatfull.

on Anouther note, does anyone have any advice on installing the front 
springs, I have brought some new lower springs and was wondering if 
anyone had any advice on installing them. I have installed suspension 
springs on anouther car B4 and Io have the nessasary equipment but if 
any one has and advice it would be most appreciated.

Regards


James RG
England





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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 16:59:39
From: "Richard Ractliffe" <rractlif_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: seeking audio advice

Todd,
     After undue amounts of suffering, I broke down and added a DIN sized cd 
player to my D.  While this was a great upgrade, the extra power overwhelmed 
the stock speakers.  The front speakers were a quick switch, 3.5 for a new 
3.5.  Not wanting to dig into the rear speakers, I decided just to 
disconnect them.  For mid-low end sound, I added a 8" in the storage 
compartment behind the drivers seat.  It is driven by a small amp which 
resides next to the battery.  Since the 8" speakers range of music is fairly 
non-directional, it fills the car nicely.  Down the road, the car definitely 
needs some more fill, but this upgrade is a huge step up from stock.  Good 
luck!

Richard
>
>Message: 1
>    Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 04:04:23 -0000
>    From: webmaster_at_dml_screen-power.com
>Subject: seeking audio advice
>
>I'm looking to upgrade my stereo system while keeping the look and
>feel as stock as possible (i.e., no bass cannons or wedge-shaped
>boxes on the parcel shelf). I don't want to wake the neighbors or
>resurrect the dead with a $10K supersystem...I just want some decent
>sound while I cruise. I'm in the process of replacing my headliner,
>so I figure now is as good a time as any to take a heat gun to those
>back panels.
>
>I've been looking at the 4x10 Pioneer speakers that other folks seem
>to have had good luck with, and from what I've read in the archive
>the stock Craig fronts sound just as good as any other 3.5's out
>there. Given this setup, what about adding a subwoofer mounted in a
>replacement cover for the locking compartment behind the driver's
>seat? Kicker has an 8" square sub that looks like it would fit
>nicely, and I've seen someone else do this with an Infinity
>Reference. Will the close proximity of the driver's seat diminish the
>performance of the sub?
>
>I've also considered putting an amp in the locking compartment, but
>considering the heat they dissipate would that be a bad idea for the
>amp, sub, or the Jetronic components in there? Should I vent the
>compartment cover? Any suggestions on what amp to use in this
>situation?
>
>To complicate things, I'm looking for a receiver that will play MP3's
>but I'm having a tough time finding one that matches the look and
>feel of the interior of a gray D. The closest I've found so far is
>the Kenwood eXcelon Z919...know of any that match better?
>
>And, most important of all, how dumb an idea is this in terms of my
>car's stock electrical system? Should I upgrade the Motorola
>alternator to a 105-amp and install a FanZilla before I try anything
>like this?
>
>I'll be checking with Crutchfield on this stuff, too, but you folks
>know what works in our unique cars far better than they would. Any
>suggestions or ideas would be greatly appreciated!
>
>________________
>Todd Masinelli
>VIN 6681

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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 22:35:24 -0000
From: paulheymeson_at_dml_thefreeinternet.co.uk
Subject: clonking noise

Hello,

I have a clonking noise coming from the front when I go over bumps or 
potholes in the road.
I thought this may be the lower ball joint so I had it replaced 
yesterday,but the noise is still there!
Any idea's.
The noise comes from the drivers side,also my tyre has gone bald on 
the outside edge only on this wheel(thats why I persumed It was ball 
joint.

Many Thanks

Paul.UK.Vin 741




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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 19:10:22 +0100
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
Subject: Re: First Right hand drive DeLorean

The car is for sale in a Lancashire ( northern England) Dealership,price
25k or about $37.5K.

Its vin number is 12171, the first known of the Wooller-Hodec, Factory
ordered RHD cars, there are 10 more known examples up to vin 12181, plus,
12199.

There are some earlier RHD cars, vins 5565, 5583, (and my other car) vin
5638, plus 6986, 11382, and 16142, 16242.

I suspect vin 12170 may also exist..would you believe it, I got a clue about
it only today!  More news as it happens

So no its not the earliest vin'd RHD.

Chris P DOC UK
----- Original Message -----
From: <senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 2:26 PM
Subject: [DML] First Right hand drive DeLorean


>
>
>     This is something for our UK members to clarify.
>
>     There is a DeLorean for sale in London classic car dealership. The car
> dealer claims that the car was the first RHD DeLorean car converted. The
car
> is also advertised in Practical Classics UK edition.
>
> Sincerely,
> Mike Pack
> DOA 4743
> VIN 3713
>
>
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 17:18:34 -0700
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Craig Radio Flex Cable Repair

No, not really, the most cost effective is to use the flexible wires I wrote
about a few days ago.  Should be a permanent fix.  This writing about
repairing the flex traces was based upon the only information I had read in
the archives or FAQ that told how to repair the display.  In that case the
writer didn't say how to do it, he just said "do it."  Since it was set in
stone as a what to do I did the how to do.

jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net wrote:

> Unfortunatly you cannot consider your method a "repair". Unless you
> seal the cassette door so you cannot insert a tape (thereby deleting
> the cassette player) the fix cannot last. No matter how expert you are
> at soldering one of two things will happen. Either the solder will
> crack at the flex or the traces will break alongside your repair. The
> only "cure" is to either replace and reroute the flex or make up a
> multi ribbon cable to replace it. Probably the most cost effective way
> around is to just replace the radio with either the ASI or something
> better. That still leaves the question of what to do with the clock.
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757
>
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> > If you no longer plan to play tapes and just want your display
> working,
> > here are a few tips.  First of all, as everyone cautions, you must
> be
> > able to solder well above average.  The traces are close together
>
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 17:34:48 -0700
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_hscis.net>
Subject: RE: Remote starters


Re Remote starters.   I have one of different brand names in each of two
cars...one in the Lincoln Continental and one in the DeLorean....I have had
the DeLorean setup for about four years.   Both had optional kits for a
straight stick car and were legal.  As I recall, the one in the D was around
$50 extra for this option.  It is called "Auto Command Remote Car Starter".
This company also makes a module that is easily installed, called "Lights
On".  I have this also.  It is like the newer cars that turn the lights on
when it gets dark and off in daylight or when you turn the key off after a
small programmable delay.  Both have been very reliable and have never
failed me.  I rarely use the key to start the car.   It sure is nice for
both winter and summer to start the car 5 minutes or so in advance.   It
DOES cause a lot of puzzled expressions and questions when I get to the car
tho!  Ha.  In the D, I have it programmed to run the starter for 2 seconds,
and if it does not start it waits 20 seconds two more times if need be and
tries again.....The only time it has ever gone to the second try for ME is
in the dead of winter when it has not been started for a week or more.  It
can be programmed to run the starter for 4 seconds or longer too.   I have
the address for the one in the D, but I have not been able to locate the
address for the one in the Lincoln.

I have many "stories" re the remote start......the other day a lady said she
saw me go near the car and it started.  I quite often just press the button
while in my pocket.  I put something in the car and went back to another
store......she was still out there when I came back but this time with her
husband, and said she had walked all around the car to see if proximity
would start it!  Ha.   One day an elderly lady was near the car and getting
ready to put here groceries in her car when mine started up.....I did not
see her and was several cars away.  I usually refrain from doing things like
that on purpose at least....it startled her so that she dropped her grocery
bag and it broke and I helped her pick it all up and out from under my car
even.  She was not mad tho....thought it was pretty funny.  Many located me
inside a restaurant and told me I left my lights on and my car is
running.....I usually start it about the time I finish eating and before I
pay the tab.

Let me know if you want the address or any further info.

Murray Fisher
Vin: 05962 Lic: DMC-XII
Washington State





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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 18:57:52 -0500
From: "Jake" <jkampho_at_dml_siue.edu>
Subject: Re: Wide Black Sidestripes


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sal celeste" <Rustproof_at_dml_prodigy.net>
<snip> Aren't you guys (gals) sick of looking at 20 of exactly the same car
> at every show?
<snip>


Nope.




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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 01:45:57 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: Remote starters

I personally would skip the remote starting feature. It's more for 
show then practicality. If it were for warming up the vehicle in a 
cold climate, it would serve a purpose. But chances are that if you 
live in a region where it gets that cold, you won't be driving the D 
in the winter. Granted the smaller interior of the D does warm up 
quite a bit faster then other cars. But it's nothing that I would 
consider unbearable. Plus since it is smaller, it has the ability to 
cool down much quicker than most cars. A good running A/C system on a 
D will do just as well, if not out-perform the cooling abilities of 
other vehicles comfort wise. If it doesn't cool down as quickly as 
you'd like, crack the windows to increase air flow while driving.

A better investment than the remote starter is the sunshade sold by 
DMC Houston. It keeps the interior of the car MUCH cooler. Plus it 
offers protection to the dash.

Another thing to think about is the safety aspect of things. To 
enable the remote start feature you will have leave the car in 
neutral. This opens up for too many problems. If your parking brake 
was not properly adjusted it could slip, allowing the car to roll. Or 
worse still is if you had to take the car into a mechanic's shop for 
repair work. Even if you told the mechanic the remote starting 
feature was there, he could forget. Against a wall or another car, 
someone could start the car and cause a collision. Excluding damage 
to your car, this could open up a whole new area of liability since 
companies don't reccomend the installation of remote starters of 
manual vehicles...

It is your car, and the final choices are yours when it comes to what 
you want to do with it. So I'm not going to say what should or 
shouldn't be done. But you've always got to think about the future...

-Robert
vin 6585



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Jeff" <Gr8old1_at_dml_a...> wrote:
<SNIP>
>I really would like to remote start the vehicle for A/C in the heat, 
>and heat in the winter,  due to the obvious lack of full-size 
>windows. Most systems only work on an automatic.




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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 01:46:30 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: Remote starters

The reason remote starters work better on automatics is that they have 
a neutral start switch so that you cannot engage the starter unless 
the car is either in Park or Neutral. Although it is not as safe to do 
it on a 5-speed any mechanic should be able to wire it in to work. You 
are correct that it could be inadvertantly started in gear if when 
shut off it is placed into gear. Generally most manuals when shut 
down, unless on a steep hill, are left in neutral with the parking 
brake, AKA the emergency brake, left on. If the parking brake is in 
good condition it should prevent the car from starting. In general I 
do not like remote starters, they can't monitor an overheat or low oil 
pressure and if not properly set up could kill the battery if the car 
doesn't start easily. It is also very easy to get distracted and 
forget your car is running till it runs out of gas! If your A/C is in 
good condition the car cools off quickly so you don't need to 
prestart. In some areas if the car is unattended you are not allowed 
to leave the motor running and even if you are in it it isn't to be 
left idling for more than 15 min. This is only enforced in high 
pollution areas like NYC and LA although I have heard of people being 
asked to shut down trucks in rest stops. To install a remote starter 
with an alarm can get complicated so have it done by someone with some 
experience with installing them. They can be very difficult to 
troubleshoot if there is a problem especially if the alarm has an 
engine kill feature. Make sure to keep all manuals and document the 
installation for future reference.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Jeff" <Gr8old1_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> Greetings all.. I am now in the market for picking up my first D, I 
> am looking to get a stick, due to better driving experience vs. an 
> automatic. Trouble is, Many places it is illegal to have a remote 
> start on a standard shift because if you leave it in gear and try to 
> start it, it may start moving and could run over somebody. My 
> question is, has anyone come across a security system that has the 
> proper sensors to disengage the starter if left in gear? I really 
> would like to remote start the vehicle for A/C in the heat, and heat 
> in the winter,  due to the obvious lack of full-size windows. Most 
> systems only work on an automatic.




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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 18:57:35 -0700
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: A problem!

Having solved all the problems the car came with I thought I was out of
the fog for a while.  Today I have a noise while in neutral.  Goes away
when the clutch pedal is depressed.  In a Corvair that would be a bad
flywheel, what is it in the D?




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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 22:29:36 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re. Front end recall kits



    The recall kits are available from any of the DeLorean suppliers. To 
check if your DMC vehicle had the necessary suspension recalls performed, 
there should be two red paint markings on the engine bay firewall.  You 
should also check the technical service bulletin's published by the initial 
DMC, available from any DeLorean vendor.
    In addition, the DeLorean Owners Association (DOA) sell back issues of 
DeLorean World Magazine. The factory recalls are published in issue 18, 
Volume 5, no. 4 spring 1988.

Sincerely,
Mike Pack
DOA 4743
VIN 3713



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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 21:52:17 -0700
From: "David Cox" <dmcox_at_dml_tfb.com>
Subject: Mystery Delorean at Escondido, CA Cruise Night

(hope the rest of the list doesn't mind this, but we're trying to find the
owner of the mystery car)

Last Friday night, 2 Deloreans attended the Cruise Night in Escondido.  We
were parked alongside each other in one of the many parking lots full of
interesting cars, when I happened to notice another Delorean driving past.
If the owner of that car happens to be on the list, we're planning to be
there again this Friday - please look for us and stop to say hello.  This
invite also goes for anyone else who might be near Escondido this Friday.
We've been getting there by 6pm and usually stay until it starts to get
dark.  The two of us have been getting quite a lot of attention.  It is
interesting to see the contrasts and the similarities - an 81 vs. an 83, one
car is lowered, the other isn't, one turbine, one stock engine, grey vs.
black interior.  It would be nice to have some other folks join us though...
(hint, hint)

Anyway, if the driver of that other car is on the list, please contact me.

Thanks,
Dave Cox
vin 16367




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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 22:48:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>
Subject: fuel pump

This morning on the way to work, the engine stalled and would not start
again. Last night I put new brake pads on the car all around. Afterward I
took the car for a spin, so I don't think that the fuel pump failure is
related to the brake work I did last night.

When turning the key to the "on" position, I do not hear the 2-3 seconds
of buzzing that the fuel pump usually makes. I read through the archives
and figured out where to start looking. Here's what I found:

1. Jumpering the brown and and purple wires on the RPM relay did not start
the fuel pump.

2. #1 fuse is not blown

3. #7 fuse is missing. I remember noticing that it was missing a week or
two ago. I don't believe it's ever been there. How could the fuel pump run
without it? Tried putting a fuse in for #7 - nothing different.

4. Using a volt meter on the main harness where the fuel pump connects
yeilded no signal.

Does it sound like there's an electrical problem between the RPM relay and
the fuel pump? Is there any way to directly test the fuel pump - perhaps
hooking some sort of power source directly to the pump??

Any ideas are more than welcome. This is my daily driver car.

-Christian
-3452
"I fixed the brakes so well that the car won't go now"




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