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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 552
Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 4:54 AM

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There are 9 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Advice for a future owner..

2. rear interior panel adhesive

3. Re: Door alignment

4. RE: Delorean's in NM - or Albuquerque
From: "Scott Mueller" <>

5. Life with a head turner
From: Mike Substelny <>

6. RE: Re: Advice for a future owner..
From: "Murray Fisher" <>

7. Very nice cheap DMC on Ebay. Reserve met at 8700
From: "Steven Lawrence" <>

8. Relay update instructions unclear?
From: "Ryan Foster" <>

9. Re: Relay update instructions unclear?
From: Mike Substelny <>

Message: 1
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 02:57:46 -0000
Subject: Re: Advice for a future owner..

> what are the best things I can do to prepare
> myself for future DeLorean ownership?

The best thing I did was to demystify the DeLorean...the more I 
learned, the more the D shifted from "dream car" to "real car" status 
in my mind and the better prepared I was to make purchase decisions.  
You've made a huge step in that direction by joining this list and 
starting to do some research!

If you can, find somebody in your area who can show you their car (or 
book a flight to Illinois and visit mine!).  Discover the places to 
look for frame rust, find out what each of the updates looks like, 
etc.  Also find out who will help you with your car if you need 
anything fixed...most shops in my area won't even *look* at my 

I don't think I'd recommend getting a D as a first car, and I know I 
wouldn't recommend having one as your only means of transportation 
while you're still learning the ins and outs.  Even a mint condition 
D is still a 20-year-old car, so expect it to have some downtime.

Make sure you save some extra money, too.  The cost of the car itself 
is only a portion of the total cost of owning a DeLorean.  If you 
can't find one in your area, you might have to have the car shipped 
(add $500).  Depending on your state, you might have to pay a decent 
amount of tax ($750 in my case).  Original tires will need to be 
replaced ($400).  If the air doesn't blow cold, figure on another 
couple hundred to charge it with R12.  Things can add up pretty 

DeLoreans are a tremendous amount of fun to drive and to 
of luck to you in your search for one!

Todd Masinelli
VIN 6681 (Nov 81)


Message: 2
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 02:59:48 -0000
Subject: rear interior panel adhesive

The quest for better sound continues!  I replaced my front speakers 
with 3.5" Infinity Kappas and the rears with 4x10" Kenwood KFC-415Cs 
(wrapped with foam baffles to hopefully improve bass response a 
little).  Getting the back panels off was a cinch...just used a hair 
dryer to heat the trim, and with some gentle pressure from a steady 
hand the glue released its hold very easily.

Now comes the fun part...what adhesive should I use to get the panels 
back on?

I obviously don't want to super glue them, just in case I ever need 
to get back there again.  Does 3M sell Post-It Note adhesive in 
bulk?  :-)

Thanks in advance,

Todd Masinelli
VIN 6681 (Nov 81)


Message: 3
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 03:22:12 -0000
Subject: Re: Door alignment

BARS! There is no need to touch the doors, shims, or torsion bars. 
What has happened is that the "T" panel has foam underneath which 
holds it up. Over many years (20) the foam turns to dust and no longer 
holds up the "T" panel. The fix is to remove the "T" panel carefully 
and replace the foam. The screws are on each side of the portion of 
the "T" panel behind the doors under the rubber seal and behind the 
rear plastic valence panel under the rear sunshade. When replacing the 
"T" panel make certain you center it equally side to side leaving the 
same gap on both doors on top. Even then a door might slightly rub the 
"T" panel. There is never any need to remove the doors (unless a door 
is damaged in an accident and must be replaced) as it will be VERY 
hard to realign them. Stay away from the torsion bars, don't scratch 
or nick them as they are HIGHLY stressed and will fail if scored or 
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Mark DeLoura" <madsax_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> Hi listers,
> I've had my D for just a few months, and either as a result of 
> weather or more driving, my doors have become slightly misaligned.
> The top of the driver side door is scraping against the T when 
> and grooving the door (aiiieeeee!!!!)  The passenger side is also 
> doing this, but not to the same extent.  When closed, the driver 
> sits about 1/4-1/2" higher than the T.  
> The docs indicate that I should loosen the door bolts and pull the 
> shims.  Is this a safe operation to perform without messing with the
> torsion rod?  I'd like to do this myself but am a bit nervous about
> screwing something up.
> Thanks!
>     ---Mark
> --
> Mark DeLoura (home)
> Oakland, CA  USA


Message: 4
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 09:13:42 -0500
From: "Scott Mueller" <>
Subject: RE: Delorean's in NM - or Albuquerque

Mike, Check into what it would cost to have your car shipped to one of the
repair facilities.  You might be surprised at the cost.

Scott Mueller
DMCNEWS 002981
DOA 5031

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Pike
> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 4:09 PM
> Subject: [DML] Delorean's in NM - or Albuquerque
> Snipped
> And my offer still stands to any competent Delorean
> mechanic on the list, if you dont mind spending an all
> expense paid trip to NM to do the above repairs, I'll
> pay for your stay, and whatever you want for your
> time. Also, will pay for you to get here and back.
> Mike
> Vin 855


Message: 5
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 10:23:02 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <>
Subject: Life with a head turner

I live at a unique intersection.  Not only do the most interesting cars
in Cleveland pass by my house, but plenty of foot and bicycle traffic as
well (including Rad Dad's cross country bike route).  Other Clevelanders
rarely see a Lotus, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Rolls-Royce, or DeLorean.

Saturday while I was trimming my front hedge a Lamborghini Countach
pulled up to the light.  While the heads of pedestrians, cyclists, and
drivers of other cars turned to watch the Countach, mine turned to watch

Teenaged boys pointed.  A couple with a baby stroller stopped and
stared.  A man in a Saab spoke to his wife through the side of his mouth
so as not to lose sight of the Lambo.  The awe was palpable.

In short, it was a lot like what happens whenever I drive my DeLorean.

Except that people always smile and wave at my DeLorean.  For the
Lamborghini, no one smiled and no one waved.  They just stood there.

Perhaps this story shows yet another DeLorean uniqueness.  The DeLorean
is the most friendly of all exotic cars.  It turns heads and makes
people happy at the same time.

- Mike Substelny


Message: 6
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 08:27:07 -0700
From: "Murray Fisher" <>
Subject: RE: Re: Advice for a future owner..

Re advice for a future D owner.....Todd has the right idea and I am sure you
will get many more....everyone comes up with different ones.   I paid quite
a bit for a premium car from the original owner, with low (3K) miles on it
and now have 8k after four years of ownership.  Most on here will tell you
to get one that has more miles on it and has had things like the rubber
replaced....cooling system and any upgrades etc.   This is just a personal
opinion, but I am pretty old (80) and have had a LOT of cars in my
life......high mileage cars just plain run those pistons up and down a lot
more times and wear the moving parts out a lot more than a low mileage maybe its a toss up!   There have been various researches on the
DML as to the cost of owning a D per year.  I dunno what it came out to but
maybe 1K.  Personally I have not spent a dime in four years....however
although mine is what I call a daily driver, our town is small and you can't
go very far.  It has been dependable.....I have not had ANY of the problems
that have been mentioned on here, although I will admit I am way over due
and they will probably start.  My car starts instantly always...idles
smoothly shifts perfectly (it is automatic), does not overheat and air
conditioning and heater works normally.  It has the original tires that I
probably should replace sometimes but I never get round tuitt.   They still
look like new and experts have checked them out and pronounced them sound.
I don't see how fast I can go!  The original owner put a new HD battery in
it the day I bought it from him, but in a year a couple cells went dead and
it was replaced under the warrantee.  My clock was intermittent when I got
it and I fixed that myself.  Actually the new battery FIXED it.  So that is
MY side of it.    A Net like this is really for those with problems and for
the rest of us to be made aware of problems that may you rarely
see any "love" stories re the DeLoreans on here.  I know many that read the
DML daily, but never enter into the discussions, because they have no
problems.  Thats MY story and I'm STUCK with it.  FWIW.
	Vin: 05962 Lic: DMC-XII


Message: 7
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:14:34 -0500
From: "Steven Lawrence" <>
Subject: Very nice cheap DMC on Ebay. Reserve met at 8700

[Moderator Note: Potential buyers may ask for opinions / advice on the DML about this or any other DeLorean.  However, I will reject *unsolicited* opinions, unless they have some really unique observation or insight.  - Mike S.]

Hello all,

     While doing my search on DeLoreans on Ebay, I found a 1981 D with low
mileage and the sellers do not want much for it...  It looks great by the
pictures, no eyebrow effect, stainless in ok condition, leather looks ok, no
cracked binnacle.  Reserve has been met at $8700!!  Incredible!  I do not
make anything from posting this, just letting future D owners, like myself,
see what's available.

Live the Dream!

Steven Lawrence
Biloxi, MS
VIN# Not yet!


Message: 8
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 19:00:32
From: "Ryan Foster" <>
Subject: Relay update instructions unclear?

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Hey list,
  I just want to let everyone know that I purchesed the relay update kit 
from DMC, in Texas. They were very nice on the phone. Well When I got the 
kit the instructions were unclear, saying to remove the blue fan relay as in 
figur 1. #121 which did not coorspond with the car or the diagram just above 
figure 1. I just wanted to let everyone know that the directions are 
confusing. Since I've installed the relay update kit I had the common ground 
wire Melt but I am unsure if it is due to the kit or some other electrical 
item. I am currently traceing the problem. This was just an FYI for 
everyone. Thanks for lisining

                         Ryan- vin.#16301


Message: 9
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 16:18:57 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <>
Subject: Re: Relay update instructions unclear?

Ryan Foster wrote:

> [snip] Well When I got the kit the instructions were unclear, saying to remove
> the blue fan relay as in figur 1. #121 which did not coorspond with the car or
> the diagram just above figure 1.

I have installed the same relay kit under the same circumstances.  Most likely
your relay compartment, like mine, had already been partially updated by a
previous owner.

Over the phone, Warren from DMC Houston had already made me aware of what the
original relay compartment looked like, and helped me realize that my
compartment was partially updated.  Otherwise I might have been as confused as
you were.

DMC Houston monitors the DML, so perhaps based on your story they will make a
new version of the instruction sheet.

- Mike Substelny
VIN 01280, 8 years


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