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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 562
Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 9:25 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: painting louver
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

2. Stainless Steel air filter box (was Stainless Steel Facias)
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

3. autoweek mention
From: illyana delorean <illyana_at_dml_mindspring.com>

4. Re: Black interior '82 Models
From: "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

5. Re: Stainless Steel Facias, etc
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

6. Numbers on Engine.
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

7. Eurofest Newspaper Articles
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

8. Re: update to my famous fuel problems
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

9. Re: Purchased Delorean 4912 - alarm activates
From: shirazcupala_at_dml_home.com

10. Re: Numbers on Engine.
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com

11. Re: Stainless Steel air filter box (was Stainless Steel Facias)
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com

12. Fw: [doc] Eurofest
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>

13. Re: painting louver
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com

14. jim and cindy sawyer
From: "Skipper Landry" <sk1pper_at_dml_intersurf.com>

15. Looking for Automatic transmission
From: Robert Dunlap <bigsamifan_at_dml_yahoo.com>

16. Re: update to my famous fuel problems
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com

17. Re: Purchased Delorean 4912 - alarm activates
From: "doctor who" <ohwrd_at_dml_hotmail.com>

18. Re: Painting Facias
From: "J Rowe" <rowejj_at_dml_netusa1.net>

19. Brake/stop light wiring variations
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

20. Re: Stainless Steel air filter box (was Stainless Steel Facias)
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

21. Flowmaster Exhaust on a DMC?
From: s_spartz_at_dml_hotmail.com

22. Re: Re: Numbers on Engine.
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

23. Re: Re: Numbers on Engine.
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

24. Re: update to my famous fuel problems
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

25. Re: Looking for Automatic transmission
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 04:37:12 -0000
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: painting louver

Walt, I agree and disagree. I have painted two of them and I cleaned 
the armorall off with soap and water and fantastic. I used 200 grit 
wet sand paper to get out small blemishes. Lightly sand. Then when I 
sprayed, I stood back as far as I could to get the paint on. and it 
also added the little rough finish to them like the original. The 
1200 degree grill I would think would do good, I just happened to use 
bumper black paint. They don't look hand painted. 
John

  --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> *****  Moderator's Note
> As with any automotive refinishing project, proper surface
> preparation and the correct tools are an important part of
> success.  Consult with an autobody specialist before attempting
> any large-surface restoration for the proper techniques and tools.
> *****
> 
> Every repainted louver I have seen didn't look good.  I think the 
problem
> starts from painting over Armor-all with the 'fish eye' effect 
coming
> through.  Another mistake I have seen is people using a gloss 
paint.  Gloss
> paint makes imperfections show up all the more.  



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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 03:21:15 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Stainless Steel air filter box (was Stainless Steel Facias)

Skipper,

If you really want to make a hot selling upgrade for the DeLorean, have your
stainless fabricator make an air filter box out of stainless that is
basically shaped like the OEM but will hold the closest K&N filter
available.  Make it with twist lock stainless latches to hold it closed.

I thought about this before, but I think it would be difficult to make the
round lower portion of the air box out of sheet metal and make it so that it
would fit tight without leaking.  I think it would be tricky to make the
flange perfectly round.  The next time I see my stainless guy, (I'm in the
restaurant equipment business) I'll show him my air box and ask him what it
would cost to make several out of stainless.  That is unless you beat me to
it.  But relax, I'm incredibly slow at such things.

By the way, can anyone say what the closest sizes of the K&N air filters are
that would be appropriate to consider using?  Such as what is the next few
sizes too large and too small?  I think I would rather go a speck larger
just for general principle's sake.

Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 02:07:21 -0700
From: illyana delorean <illyana_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: autoweek mention

well - if someone is going to post a car and driver mention, here is 
an autoweek mention. in the letters section in reference to "the 
market" section of a previous issue:

"The April 30 DeLorean was of particular interest since I too own a 
1982 DeLorean DMC-12. Keith Martin touched on an interesting point, 
anticipating letters from owners who feel that their cars are worth 
more than the marginally maintained subject in the auction. My 
feeling and perspective is that the value of any collector car (my 
DeLorean included) is zero. Let's face it: At the end of the day, do 
we really need an artifact from a bygone era? What determines the 
"worth" of these cars is the value the purchaser places on it and how 
that relates to him or her. I bought my DeLorean for the fun of it, 
something to have and share with others. If I begin to take it too 
seriously, then it defeats the whole purpose. Cars are supposed to be 
fun; that's why I bought my DeLorean and why I read AutoWeek." - 
Steve Deiters, Cincinnati

kinda long, i know, but i think it's a great letter. anyone on the 
list write it?

illyana
-- 
"What's the point in having a Honda if you can't show it off?" - 
Superintendant Chalmers 

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 06:43:33 -0400
From: "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Black interior '82 Models

I have vin 2850 with black interior and manual trans.

I think there are alot out there.

Joseph
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To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:11 PM
Subject: [DML] Black interior '82 Models


> What I want to know is does anyone own, or know of
> someone who owns a 1982 DeLorean with a vin 10579
> or under that has a black interior?  Even though I am
> already the proud owner of an 83 with black interior,
> I don't want another one right now, but I want to
> know if I could buy an 82 model with the original color
> black interior carpet (dark gray as opposed to light gray)
> I know Black 82's were rare and from looking at the
> chronology it doesn't look like any black interior cars
> were made before 10580.  Is this true?
>
> John Yeoman
>
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 06:04:21 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel Facias, etc

In a message dated 5/29/01 4:17:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Whalt_at_dml_att.net 
writes:



> As for making other parts out of stainless, have you considered tail light &
> 

I've seen a D with the black tail parts (and maybe the louver... I forget) 
painted silver.  Kind of interesting, but overall, I thought it made the car 
look like a giant matchbox car. My apologies to the owner if he's on the 
list- just my personal taste.

Stainless steel louvers do exist.  A lady on the list has one like that.  
Also, see <A HREF="www.delorean-steel-products.de">www.delorean-steel-products.de</A>  He (Dirk Wacker) used to offer 
them, but I just checked and they're not listed.  They' re made in Germany, 
aned were pretty pricey.  I don't know how many he actually sold.   He also 
makes a S.S. muffler heat shield, and other products.  I haven't actually 
seen either one, personally.

Wayne A. Ernst
DMCTech group



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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 08:02:12 -0400
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: Numbers on Engine.

A question was asked earlier about the numbers on the engine block
matching the VIN of the car.   While I do not expect the numbers to
match, I was wondering if there is any documentation on what those
numbers represent...  And if any documentation exists that talks about
what motors went where...   Kind of like the list of what cars went to
specific people in the DMC company, is there is similar list for motors
that someone may have?




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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 07:13:40 -0500
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Eurofest Newspaper Articles

Ian,
There is a section on the DMCNEWS site to post newspaper articles.

Scott Mueller
DMCNEWS 002981
DOA 5031

-----Original Message-----
From: ian_at_dml_netvigator.com [mailto:ian_at_dml_netvigator.com]
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 1:06 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Eurofest


There have been a few newspaper articles about the Show, once I'm back in
Hong Kong I can scan them and forward them for someone(volunteers?!) to Post
on a website. Articles include:-
26May : 'Newsletter' nice photo of parked cars at the Cultra museum.
27May : 'Ireland on Sunday' 1/2page with photos of me (ah fame!) at
Stormount, Dutch couple & bambino, and photo of John Z DeLorean.
28May : 'Belfast Telegraph' colour photo of cars beautifully lined up at
Stormount (Chris Parnham will like this one!!!).
Later : My local N.Ireland paper wants to print a photo and article!

Cheers,          IAN




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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 04:29:31 -0000
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: update to my famous fuel problems

Andy, In most cases the Lambda system is seeking to find the right 
air / fuel mixture. If it's adjusted to rich or lean it will do what 
your saying. If you have any vaccuum leaks, he may never get it 
adjusted correct.
John hervey
www.specialTauto.com
call the office if I can help.
800-413-3300



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> my DeLorean now sits in the service bay at Valley Imports in Fargo, 
ND - a 
> porsche, BMW, VW, and audi dealer.  here's the scoop:
> 
> they have the car actually RUNNING with a little bit of help.  the 
technician 
> got it running after a few turns of the key and a couple of gas 
pedal 
> thrusts.  it'll run now but it only sounds right in the higher 
RPM's, as in, 
> above 1500 RPM or so.  he was playing with the throttle and the CO 
screw and 
> he could get it running pretty damn good in the upper RPM's, then 
as it drops 
> down to idle, you have to be really careful about letting off on 
the gas or 
> else it will die.  he had to be really slow and help it along.  
finally it 
> would hold an idle, but it surges up and down between about 400 RPM 
and 1100 
> RPM or so, in regular approximately one second intervals for each 
surge.  the 
> fuel pressure is within specs.  the car would dip down to about 400 
RPM and 
> almost choke itself to death every time until it eventually does.  
the tech 
> said that my suction fuel hose in the tank is pinching somehow, 
even though i 
> have one of Jim Reeve's springs inside of it.  he didn't say that 
this was 
> the reason the car won't run well though.  it's just a note.  he 
seems to 
> have the idea that my fuel distributer is faulty or 
malfunctioning.   for the 
> record, yes he is putting his thumb over the CO screw every time he 
works 
> with it.
> 
> anyone have any ideas on what could be causing this crazy idle?  
i'm getting 
> closer yet i'm still so far!!!!!
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> 
> Soma576_at_dml_a...
> 1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
> Fargo, ND 58102
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:37:11 -0000
From: shirazcupala_at_dml_home.com
Subject: Re: Purchased Delorean 4912 - alarm activates

You can do this but please note that if the alarm goes off and is not 
disactivated then it is possible that it will run down your battery.

Also, have you looked up under the dash to determine yourself what 
type of unit you have?  Sometimes it's very easy to find the alarm 
box and read the make and model on it.  Be sure to get all info off 
the box because you never know which is actually the model number.  
If it's not too old then you may be able to find the install info on 
the manufacturer's web site.  This was how I "cleaned up" all the 
wiring on the alarm when I bought my car.  My alarm was newer though.

shiraz
#2860

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> Disconnect the alarm siren or bell.  At least it will not make 
noise until
> you figure out how to disarm or deactivate it.  The alarm was not a 
factory
> installed item, though it could have been installed by the selling 
dealer.
> 
> Scott Mueller
> DMCNEWS 002981
> DOA 5031
> 





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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:40:52 -0000
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com
Subject: Re: Numbers on Engine.

The numbers on the engine do not match the VIN number. Neither will 
the Chassis number that is welded on the left hand side of the 
chassis in the engine compartment. It's more like a "serial number" 
or "Lot Number" if you want to call it. Just the manufactures way of 
keeping track of what engines went into what cars so if a problem 
arose with a certain lot of engines....they knew what cars they were 
in. Since Delorean did not make the engine and Volvo did, it's 
Volvo's numbering scheme. All car manufactures have engine numbers 
stamped/welded onto the blocks of the engine. 

Steve

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_p...> wrote:
> A question was asked earlier about the numbers on the engine block
> matching the VIN of the car.   While I do not expect the numbers to
> match, I was wondering if there is any documentation on what those
> numbers represent...  And if any documentation exists that talks 
about
> what motors went where...   Kind of like the list of what cars went 
to
> specific people in the DMC company, is there is similar list for 
motors
> that someone may have?




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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:56:43 -0000
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel air filter box (was Stainless Steel Facias)

If I'm not mistaken doesn't the lower part of the air box (where the 
round opening is that goes over the Throttle body) snap together to 
the top portion? If so then you could make the top portion and the 
Air filter box out of Stainless steel and re-use the plastic lower 
portion of the OEM one. That way you will be sure of an airtight fit.

On another note, I believe Marty Maier sells a K&N filter kit that 
comes with the closest match to the OEM filter along with a Stainless 
steel (?) adapter that goes into the air filter box to adapt the K&N 
filter. I'm not sure if he still sells this or not.

Steve

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> Skipper,
> 
> If you really want to make a hot selling upgrade for the DeLorean, 
have your
> stainless fabricator make an air filter box out of stainless that is
> basically shaped like the OEM but will hold the closest K&N filter
> available.  Make it with twist lock stainless latches to hold it 
closed.
> 
> I thought about this before, but I think it would be difficult to 
make the
> round lower portion of the air box out of sheet metal and make it 
so that it
> would fit tight without leaking.  I think it would be tricky to 
make the
> flange perfectly round.  The next time I see my stainless guy, (I'm 
in the
> restaurant equipment business) I'll show him my air box and ask him 
what it
> would cost to make several out of stainless.  That is unless you 
beat me to
> it.  But relax, I'm incredibly slow at such things.
> 
> By the way, can anyone say what the closest sizes of the K&N air 
filters are
> that would be appropriate to consider using?  Such as what is the 
next few
> sizes too large and too small?  I think I would rather go a speck 
larger
> just for general principle's sake.
> 
> Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:00:33 +0100
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
Subject: Fw: [doc] Eurofest


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Chris Parnham 
To: doc-uk_at_dml_yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 29th 2001 9:06 PM
Subject: [doc] Eurofest


Dear all,

Home at last after an exhausting, but wonderful 5 days in Belfast..the weather was brilliant, so was the company, so were the events..just too much!

High-lights for me.

1) Meeting so many "DeLorean" people from all over the world

2) Driving ( with the help of my son) 2 DeLoreans to Belfast and back without incident!

3) Driving around the test track, and taking people for rides ( in Dusty)....FAST!!!!!
( sadly cut short at the other drivers accident)...he was OK but the car suffered!

4) Putting faces to names..so many.....overload!

5) The photo shoots ..still awaiting the pictures to be developed.....including the 40 cars lined up in front of one of the most beautiful and important buildings in Northern Ireland....thank you Dermot MacGreevy for fixing it up with Robert Lamrock.

6) It just went on and on.....imagine...having your car (Dusty, now up to 450 miles!) gone over by all those experts....by the side of the DeLorean test track..inside the DeLorean factory complex...surrounded by all the other DeLorean cars and owners...too much.
My proudest moment was letting Ed Bernstein give Dusty the "full once over" and having him make such favourable comments..I don't care what some of you guys say,  I am now Ed's number one fan !  ( no follow up comments please). I now regard the Right Hand Drive issue resolved and in the past.  Rhd's are just another interesting variation of our very special cars.

7)  Photo shoot at the end of the "Giants Causeway"....with Dusty...Only one car was allowed to drive right to the end of the causway..it was a great honour for me to take Dusty, some of the shots were taken without her front number plate, especialy to make the photo look better. ( this was where one of the origanal factory publicity shots were kaken back in 1981).

Lastly a big thank you  to Robert Lamrock and  all the DOC UK members working so tirelessly, behind and in front on scenes.

Dusty is now thoughly washed and cleaned ( underneath as well) as we even had an impromtue photo call on the beach ( 3 cars) on the way back to the ferry!


More later when I've had some more sleep....

Chris Parnham Hon. Sec. DeLorean Owners Club UK.







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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:10:45 -0000
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com
Subject: Re: painting louver

I agree. As long as you prep the surface (remove any grease/dirt), 
lightly sand it down to remove any blemishes and to give the paint a 
nice semi rough surface the stick too, you will have really good 
results. Use a primer as a base after sanding it down; it will hide 
any deep gouges and scratches and help the paint adhere much better. 
Avoid painting outdoors in windy conditions otherwise you'll wind up 
with leaves, grass, bugs, etc. as a permanent show piece on the 
painted surface. Apply THIN even coats; if you apply it to thick, you 
will wind up with paint runs. And also DON'T rush, take your time, 
wait for the paint to dry before applying the next thin coat. You'll 
be surprised of the outcome, close to or even better then 
professionally done.

Steve

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., dherv10_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Walt, I agree and disagree. I have painted two of them and I 
cleaned 
> the armorall off with soap and water and fantastic. I used 200 grit 
> wet sand paper to get out small blemishes. Lightly sand. Then when 
I 
> sprayed, I stood back as far as I could to get the paint on. and it 
> also added the little rough finish to them like the original. The 
> 1200 degree grill I would think would do good, I just happened to 
use 
> bumper black paint. They don't look hand painted. 
> John
> 
>   --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> > *****  Moderator's Note
> > As with any automotive refinishing project, proper surface
> > preparation and the correct tools are an important part of
> > success.  Consult with an autobody specialist before attempting
> > any large-surface restoration for the proper techniques and tools.
> > *****
> > 
> > Every repainted louver I have seen didn't look good.  I think the 
> problem
> > starts from painting over Armor-all with the 'fish eye' effect 
> coming
> > through.  Another mistake I have seen is people using a gloss 
> paint.  Gloss
> > paint makes imperfections show up all the more.




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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:12:16 -0500
From: "Skipper Landry" <sk1pper_at_dml_intersurf.com>
Subject: jim and cindy sawyer

    well from what ive learned, stripping the car is the easy part. i did it
in less than 20 hours total: including cleanup! straightining out the grain
is another matter. i am having to hand polish mine to get the grain correct.
and even then it will not be perfect. However, if painting it is what you
want to do, youre i luck, sorta . . . When doing the research to strip the
car, the only advice i got was to repaint it any color i wanted. repainting
a DeLorean is as hard/easy as any other car if the origional was done in any
sorta quality way.

    History lesson one:
        since this is a different kinda car, not many automobile
mechanics/repair shops knew what to do to fix them, aside from replacing
parts. there ate two types of painted DeLoreans: 1) ones painted by order of
the dealers by way of customer orders or to get them off the lot at the end
of the production run. 2) ones that have been in accidents, as mine was. in
any case you will find one of two things when dealing with the paint.

    if the car has not been painted becayse of an accident, the car was
GROUND rough to accept a standard primer and paint. if the car was painted
mid to late '80's, the paint probably was put on with self-etching primer
whish did not require grinding.

    the short of it is that all the hard work has been done unless the paint
was done bad to start. in my experience, if your son wants to repaint the
car it should not be any harder than any other to repaint. in fact since the
panels are just bolted to the pontoon, he can test paint a fender off the
car in a few hours to see how it works out! i had a plan, if the SS was too
bad, i'd paint it back! it was worth the risk to know for sure all i could
about my car.

    i will soon post pictures of my hood that has polished and unfinished
sides to it. hope this helps some!

    skipper landry

ps please leave an e-mail address for the future :) 

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To: <skipper_at_dml_sk1pper.com>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 7:10 PM
Subject: Data posted to form 1 of http://sk1pper.com/email.htm


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> B1: Submit
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> Dear Sir,
> Well I have the same problem.  Red paint on my machine to paint or not to
paint that is the question!!!!
>
> My son is learning how to paint cars at a tecnical college and can't wait
to paint the car in some other color.  But from what he says it is just as
much of a pain in rear end as it would be to just strip the paint.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Jim and Cindy Sawyer
> vin 4149
> "ELMO" cause it is red
>




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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:22:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Robert Dunlap <bigsamifan_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Looking for Automatic transmission

Well, today was a big day in my life as I just got my
1st Delorean! Unfortunately it needs a little tlc and
a new automatic transmission.  I have a new computer
governor and I am sure that the transmission is bad. 
(Grinding noise coming from transmission and it BARELY
moves)  I was wondering if anyone had a spare auto
transmission for sale?


Thank you,


Mark

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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:00:22 -0000
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com
Subject: Re: update to my famous fuel problems

This is just a suggestion, But I have heard that if the O2 sensor 
is "plugged up" with a lot of carbon (where it has a hard time 
sensing) it can cause crazy and erratic idle. Since your car may have 
been running rich for some time this may be the case. It's an easy 
check (pull out the O2 sensor and look at it) I would start there. 

Also, is he using a CO analyzer to set the CO or is he doing it 
by "feel"? He should be measuring the CO per each head (removing the 
access ports located on each side of the cross over pipe) along with 
measuring at the cat.

Steve


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> my DeLorean now sits in the service bay at Valley Imports in Fargo, 
ND - a 
> porsche, BMW, VW, and audi dealer.  here's the scoop:
> 
> they have the car actually RUNNING with a little bit of help.  the 
technician 
> got it running after a few turns of the key and a couple of gas 
pedal 
> thrusts.  it'll run now but it only sounds right in the higher 
RPM's, as in, 
> above 1500 RPM or so.  he was playing with the throttle and the CO 
screw and 
> he could get it running pretty damn good in the upper RPM's, then 
as it drops 
> down to idle, you have to be really careful about letting off on 
the gas or 
> else it will die.  he had to be really slow and help it along.  
finally it 
> would hold an idle, but it surges up and down between about 400 RPM 
and 1100 
> RPM or so, in regular approximately one second intervals for each 
surge.  the 
> fuel pressure is within specs.  the car would dip down to about 400 
RPM and 
> almost choke itself to death every time until it eventually does.  
the tech 
> said that my suction fuel hose in the tank is pinching somehow, 
even though i 
> have one of Jim Reeve's springs inside of it.  he didn't say that 
this was 
> the reason the car won't run well though.  it's just a note.  he 
seems to 
> have the idea that my fuel distributer is faulty or 
malfunctioning.   for the 
> record, yes he is putting his thumb over the CO screw every time he 
works 
> with it.
> 
> anyone have any ideas on what could be causing this crazy idle?  
i'm getting 
> closer yet i'm still so far!!!!!
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> 
> Soma576_at_dml_a...
> 1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
> Fargo, ND 58102
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:16:54
From: "doctor who" <ohwrd_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Purchased Delorean 4912 - alarm activates

If I remember correctly car alarms qualify as radio devices and therefore it 
should have an FCC id number printed on either the exterior case or the 
circuit guts somewhere. Then you just take that FCC id to the FCC webpage 
and punch in the number, it should tell you the name of the manufacturer of 
the device and often times you can get the model number from that as well. 
I've used this site before to identify randomn computer boards so that I can 
find the manufacturer to download drivers.

Most manufacturers of electronic devices have the wiring diagrams up on 
their website and either offer them for free or fee as a pdf download. I 
just hope this thing isnt wired into your ignition. Some alarms have tamper 
features on them that will in no uncertain terms disable your car. Depending 
on the alarms features and how talented the installer was.

regards,
cordain

From: shirazcupala_at_dml_home.com
Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] Purchased Delorean 4912 - alarm activates
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:37:11 -0000

You can do this but please note that if the alarm goes off and is not
disactivated then it is possible that it will run down your battery.

Also, have you looked up under the dash to determine yourself what
type of unit you have?  Sometimes it's very easy to find the alarm
box and read the make and model on it.  Be sure to get all info off
the box because you never know which is actually the model number.
If it's not too old then you may be able to find the install info on
the manufacturer's web site.  This was how I "cleaned up" all the
wiring on the alarm when I bought my car.  My alarm was newer though.

shiraz
#2860

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_w...> wrote:
 > Disconnect the alarm siren or bell.  At least it will not make
noise until
 > you figure out how to disarm or deactivate it.  The alarm was not a
factory
 > installed item, though it could have been installed by the selling
dealer.
 >
 > Scott Mueller
 > DMCNEWS 002981
 > DOA 5031
 >




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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 02:35:46 -0500
From: "J Rowe" <rowejj_at_dml_netusa1.net>
Subject: Re: Painting Facias

        I'm not sure how much of a limited budget your on but I had my rear facia
painted by a local bodyshop over the winter for about $280.00. That was for the 
grey/black sections and to have some of the old studs taken out and new ones 
epoxied in since some of them twisted off when I removed it. They did a good 
job and the paint matches exactly. Well worth the money.Hope this helps. 

                                               Jason # 5903  


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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:17:22 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Brake/stop light wiring variations

I have noticed two wiring variations on DeLorean stop lights and am
wondering if anyone can say what this is about.

On my car VIN 3633, the stop light circuit is always hot meaning that even
though the ignition is switched off, the stop lights still come on when I
press the brake pedal.

On Randy's car VIN 3228, the stop light circuit is only hot when the
ignition is switched on.  If you are sitting in the car with the key removed
from the ignition and press the brake pedal then the stop lights won't
operate.

Can anyone say which variation is the norm on DeLoreans?  Is it likely that
both cars left the factory in this configuration or was one of the cars
modified?

Walt    Tampa, FL





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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:13:55 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel air filter box (was Stainless Steel Facias)

Steve,

Your point is well taken.  The next time I have my air filter box apart I'm
going to do a lot of looking.  My idea of the stainless air box is two fold:
First, a stainless top to the engine would look really cool.  But secondly,
making an entirely new filter box that will house a K&N filter without
adapters makes it all worth while.  Making just a new top half while
re-using the bottom half might be practical using stock filters.  However,
I'm not sure if Marty's filter adapter would work well in it.  (By the way,
I just checked out the link to Marty's kit:
http://www.midstatedmc.com/parts/k-n.html and it looks like a great deal for
the trouble and the money.)  What I am proposing doing is making a whole new
stainless filter box that is made to house the K&N filter without extra
adapter brackets.  By doing so, it will not be able to hold OEM style
filters -- only the K&N (Part #33-2002) and cross-references to this K&N.
If I follow through with this idea, then I would probably also consider
making a whole new air intake system that would replace the restrictive
'shutter-air inlet' (part #105952).  It would be a lot of trouble, and I
would probably never sell more than a dozen or so of them.  But I like to do
this sort of thing just for the fun of it.

If 'we' go through with designing and building a prototype, can anyone
suggest if it would be better to make the box somehow open on the top to
draw in more air?  Or would it be best to suck fresh air in through the side
window vent like the OEM unit does?

Should the unit look substantially like the OEM as a compliment to the
aftermarket stainless header bottles?  Or should it be a totally different
design using an entirely different configuration K&N filter (i.e. round or
cup shape vs. OEM flat rectangle)?  I think sticking closest to OEM
configuration will be more popular.  Comments anyone?

Walt    Tampa, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>
> I believe Marty Maier sells a K&N filter kit that
>comes with the closest match to the OEM filter along with a Stainless
>steel (?) adapter that goes into the air filter box to adapt the K&N
>filter. I'm not sure if he still sells this or not.





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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:02:23 -0000
From: s_spartz_at_dml_hotmail.com
Subject: Flowmaster Exhaust on a DMC?

I was able to look at andy's DMC this weekend in Fargo and LOVED IT!

While I was there I had a thought creep into my brain.

If you want to have more power or even a better sounding exhaust, why 
not go with a different muffler.

That same thought said hey!, if a "normal" oval type muffler will fit 
what about a flowmaster?

Have any of you seen one put in or know of it.

Thanks
Steve
no vin yet
SOMEDAY!!!




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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:22:22 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Re: Numbers on Engine.

In a message dated 05/30/2001 12:14:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
srubano_at_dml_optonline.com writes:

<< in. Since Delorean did not make the engine and Volvo did, it's 
 Volvo's numbering scheme. All car manufactures have engine numbers 
 stamped/welded onto the blocks of the engine. 
 
 Steve >>

Renault manufactured the engine in the DeLorean. DeLorean Motor had a 
contract with Renault not Volvo...even though Volvo demanded a 300,000 
Sterling as a "technical entrance fee."



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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:41:13 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Re: Numbers on Engine.

In a message dated 05/30/2001 5:56:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com writes:

<< Renault manufactured the engine in the DeLorean. DeLorean Motor had a 
 contract with Renault not Volvo...even though Volvo demanded a 300,000 
 Sterling as a "technical entrance fee."
  >>

    I've put the Alpine PRV engine brochure in the Vault. The file is listed 
under Alpine DeLorean engine.
    In addition, I have pictures of a 1986 Alpine in the folder.



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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 23:42:46 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: update to my famous fuel problems

I have some things to look for. Go over the engine for ANY vacuum 
leaks. Check the air flow sensor (the big round plate) to make sure is 
is centered. Make sure the lambda system is functioning (If it is 
making a loud buzzing sound it is working and probably OK.) If 
possible actually pull parts and check them like the idle motor and 
the hoses going to and from it, the cold start valve and the "O" ring 
in the intake manifold etc; etc;. I have seen so many times that the 
place you can't see is the spot that the trouble is like a hole in a 
hose, a burnt or kinked hose, an improperly seated hose. You would be 
amazed at the damage the metal intake hose can do by rubbing where you 
can't see. Once you can get it to idle adjust the mixture screw.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> my DeLorean now sits in the service bay at Valley Imports in Fargo, 
ND - a 
> porsche, BMW, VW, and audi dealer.  here's the scoop:
> 
> they have the car actually RUNNING with a little bit of help.  the 
technician 





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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 23:53:34 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: Looking for Automatic transmission

Before you consign yourself to replacing the trans there are a few 
things you can do. Make sure that there is Dexron in the trans, it's 
not under or overfilled and doesn't smell burnt. Also check the level 
in the final drive as it is a different compartment and is filled with 
90# gear oil. Check the drain plug for chips and the old oil for shiny 
particles. Make sure that the linkage is adjusted and actually 
connected to the trans. If you are capable drop the trans pan and 
inspect for sludge, loose parts, dirt, friction materiel, etc. If it's 
really bad clean it out replace or clean the filter and try again. If 
it still won't go then the trans is probably cooked. You could also 
check the line pressure, it can give you an indication of the internal 
health of the trans.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Robert Dunlap <bigsamifan_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> Well, today was a big day in my life as I just got my
> 1st Delorean! Unfortunately it needs a little tlc and
> a new automatic transmission.  I have a new computer
> governor and I am sure that the transmission is bad. 
> (Grinding noise coming from transmission and it BARELY
> moves)  I was wondering if anyone had a spare auto
> transmission for sale?
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
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