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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 585
Date: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 3:26 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Press photo / Artical
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>

2. FW: SEMA Action Network
From: "Michael C. Babb" <michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com>

3. Re: Re: Cooling problems
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

4. Re: 4th speed fan switch
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

5. RE: A/c fixes
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

6. RE: e-bay cars (was DMC Prices)
From: "Jack Singer" <jsinger_at_dml_i-c.net>

7. Automatic Car Wash
From: badgeman46_at_dml_hotmail.com

8. Mirror Paper Artical
From: dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com

9. Re: Nationality of DeLorean
From: lovdmc12_at_dml_aol.com

10. Re: Fuel system question - electical
From: Chris Spratt <chris_at_dml_internets.freeserve.co.uk>

11. RE: e-bay cars (was DMC Prices)
From: "Thompson, Dwayne A." <dathomps_at_dml_southernco.com>

12. Re: e-bay cars (was DMC Prices)
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

13. Re: Cooling problems, update
From: sprins_at_dml_businessnet.net

14. Re: Reluctant downshift.
From: gus_at_dml_austin.rr.com

15. RE: Beware Turtle Wax!
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

16. RE: Press photo / Article
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

17. Re: AUTO trans update
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

18. Re: DMC Prices
From: delorean502_at_dml_excite.com

19. Pektron webpage...
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com

20. Re: A/c fixes
From: noflux_at_dml_yahoo.com

21. Euro front plate holder
From: L Sandel <ls_at_dml_chickencow.csv.cmich.edu>

22. Accumalator
From: paulheymeson_at_dml_thefreeinternet.co.uk

23. AC Compressor wont come on
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com

24. RE: 1983 DeLorean 4-door
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

25. [ETDOC] Biltmore Estate, NC Meet
From: Aaron Posey <cadysrme_at_dml_yahoo.com>





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:15:32 +0100
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
Subject: Press photo / Artical

In today's (UK)  Daily Express ( 13th June 2001) newspaper, there is a half page feature, with nice photo about our beloved DeLoreans......it states that the cars now have "Cult status".....

Well worth getting hold of a copy if you can.

Chris P DOC UK



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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:40:44 -0400
From: "Michael C. Babb" <michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com>
Subject: FW: SEMA Action Network

[Moderator note: I am approving this message because of the possibility that some of our subscribers may want to get involved.  Please do not consider this an invitation to spam the DML.   - Mike S.]

Interesting . . .I got this forwarded from my mother. Anyone want to bite on
this one? BTW:

SEMA, the Specialty Equipment Market Association, keeping the specialty and
performance automotive industry informed

Michael Babb

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Rasberry" <andrewr_at_dml_sema.org>
To: <brianc_at_dml_sema.org>
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 1:25 PM
Subject: SEMA Action Network


> Greetings!
>
> My name is Andrew Rasberry and I work with Brian Caudill at SEMA on SAN
> issues.  I would like to compile some sort of breif booklet on how to
> start and manage car clubs.  Since you all are already successful at
> this, I am asking for any help you can offer.  From getting involved
> politically to insurance for events to websites, I want to cover 
> everything I can. Feel free to contact me as I will be putting this
> manual together over the summer.
>
> Thanks for your assistance.
>
> Andrew Rasberry
> Legislative Research Coordinator
> SEMA, DC
> andrewr_at_dml_sema.org
> 202/783-6007 ext. 38
> 1317 F Street NW, Suite 500
> Washington, DC 20004



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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 01:45:44 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Cooling problems

Gus,

You said:

"If your relays are in the stock configuration, then the cooling fans
are not supposed to come on with the A/C."

This statement is incorrect; regardless of any modification or fan circuit add-on's, the cooling fans should always run whenever the AC is turned on.

DMC Joe

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <http://www.deloreanservices.com"> DeLorean services.com
www.DMC.tv is in your future .....
 



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 01:29:50 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: 4th speed fan switch

Ryan,

Check the 4th speed relay in the electrical compartment and the condition of the contacts in the relay socket.

DMC Joe

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <http://www.deloreanservices.com"> DeLorean services.com
www.DMC.tv is in your future .....

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:37:19 -0400
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: RE: A/c fixes

Short Answer:  Stick with R-12.  It can be found, and is not that
expensive.

Long answer: Check the archives!

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Molino [mailto:foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net]
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 1999 4:59 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] A/c fixes



I need to fix my a/c.  I am having a hard time finding r-12 and was
wondering if anyone knows of the conversion kit to change to R-134?
What should I do?

[moderator snip]



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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:59:09 -0400
From: "Jack Singer" <jsinger_at_dml_i-c.net>
Subject: RE: e-bay cars (was DMC Prices)

I have sold cars on ebay.  One for $21,800 and worth every penney and one
for $9.500 and again worth the money.  If it is listed correctly, you get a
fair price, I have.

Jack.
5823


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael C. Babb [mailto:michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 7:33 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] e-bay cars (was DMC Prices)


Just for another side of the issue. I sold my DeLorean this past December
after listing it on e-bay.  The auction never went all of the way through as
I got a side offer and decided to not chance seeing the auction all of the
way through an getting less (even though it is possible that I could have
gotten more).

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:55:53 -0000
From: badgeman46_at_dml_hotmail.com
Subject: Automatic Car Wash

    Does anyone know if its ok to run a delorean through a touch free 
car wash??? I am just wondering if the high water pressure would 
interfere with the electrical system if it got in the engine 
compartment. Any car wash experiences?

-Jay




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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:13:28 -0000
From: dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com
Subject: Mirror Paper Artical

Hi All,

Just reading the Mirror paper today and I was suppriesed to see that 
a decent sized picture of our beloved car had made it onto  page six. 
Just a pity that the artical had the headline "WARNING 50 WORST CARS 
EVER MADE AHEAD!" and dissapointingly the DeLorean came tops.

Never mind any publicity is good publicity as they say!

James RG
England UK
Vin# 5462




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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:16:53 EDT
From: lovdmc12_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Nationality of DeLorean

I would consider the car's true nationality to be British since Northern 
Ireland is part of Great Britain and because the British government helped 
finance the project.  DeLorean was born in Detroit and is not French.  Hillel 
Levin points out in his book that DeLorean is actually an eastern European 
name.

Brian
VIN 1597



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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:57:33 +0100 (GMT+01:00)
From: Chris Spratt <chris_at_dml_internets.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Fuel system question - electical

>In the 
> workshop manual D:04:14 it states that if a DWELL meter is connected 
> to the Diagnostic plug pin that is connected to terminal 17 of the 
> ECU module (which is the orange wire) I can measure the pulses cycle 
> signal off of it for the Frequency valve. I am doing that I am 
> setting my DWELL meter to a 6-cylinder setting and I am reading it 
> off the scale (high end)! I hear my frequency valve going 

If i remember correctly , from the DMC workshop manual, you need to set your Dwell meter to 4 cylinder to read the frequency valve

> Fuel pressure measured from the center of the fuel distrib (where it 
> goes to the CPR) 75lbs (5 Bar). 

Control Fuel pressure should run from about 20psi(cold) to 55 psi(hot) according to the Technical manual(there is a nice graph to show engine temp in relation to pressure). I had problems with my CPR as it was stuck at 55psi hot or cold. It cost me about $220 to have mine referbished.

Chris
Vin 16327




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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:10:49 -0500
From: "Thompson, Dwayne A." <dathomps_at_dml_southernco.com>
Subject: RE: e-bay cars (was DMC Prices)

I recently purchased my "D" off e-bay. The former owner had the car for 15
years and provided me with _at_dml_ least 25 pictures and all the service performed
on the "D". I must have spent four hours w/ him on the phone. I could have
paid less for a one, but this was exactly what I was looking for. I think
that is important. I wanted a manual, w/ black interior (w/ no cracks in the
dash), a gas flap in the hood, and under 25K miles!

Blessings,
Dwayne
VIN 1370

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Michael C. Babb [SMTP:michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, June 12, 2001 7:33 PM
> To:	dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject:	[DML] e-bay cars (was  DMC Prices)
> 
> Just for another side of the issue. I sold my DeLorean this past December
> after listing it on e-bay.  The auction never went all of the way through

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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:56:39 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: e-bay cars (was DMC Prices)

In a message dated 06/13/2001 9:44:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com writes:

<< I would personally be interested in hearing other people's accounts of
 either buying or selling DeLorean's through e-bay.  Tyler, let us know how
 it was from a buyers perspective (especially if you though the car was
 miss-represented). >>

    In my opinion, those selling the car on ebay fit into two categories. The 
seller either has no interest in the car, acquired through inheritance or 
divorce settlement, lost interest in DeLorean, etc., etc. The rule of thumb 
is that good cars sell within the clubs.  I sold my car to another DeLorean 
Owners Association member.
    Most of the cars that I have seen on ebay are very neglected. I remember 
several of the car offered on ebay are junk yard bound, wrecked, and the 
sellers even tell the bidders that the Title is salvage, mileage unknown, car 
has no updates, etc. Once in a while a nice looking car will appear...however 
the mechanical operation of the car is questionable. 
    In addition, the used car dealers buy the cars at used car auctions. One 
particular auction is the Mannheim "high line" auction where classic and 
exotic cars are traded between dealers.
    Usually the dealers have no interest in the car other than making a 
profit with the least amount of investment to improve a 20 year old car.
    Additionally, the current issue of DeLorean World has several DeLorean's 
advertised for more than $20,000.

Regards,
Michael Pack
DOA 4743



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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:22:45 -0000
From: sprins_at_dml_businessnet.net
Subject: Re: Cooling problems, update

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., njp548_at_dml_a... wrote:
> sprins_at_dml_b... writes:
> 
> << should I put 12V directly on
>  the individual fans and the 12V connection on the waterpump? >>
>  
> Sacha,
> 
>      What do you mean by putting a 12V connection on the waterpump? 
It works 
> by turning with the belt from the crank pulley.

That was ignorance. I found out later that the pump is indeed
mechanical.

I fixed the FanFailFix wiring and the fans do come on when I short
cirquit the otterstat. So that problem is fixed.

I managed to install the DMCJoe self bleeder kit, it was easier that I
thought, even with the turbo in the way.

However, the engine still overheats. After the engine reached 220 deg.
I stopped it and felt the coolant lines to and from the waterpump,
which were cold. And since the engine was pretty hot my current
conclusion is that the pump is not functioning, and since the pump
turns properly with the belt and doesn't make any suspicious noise I'm
guessing the thermostat is malfunctioning.

This is where my skills (and patience) end, so I'm driving her to the
shop next tuesday so that they may try to fix it. With my diagnose
they will probably be on their way pretty fast.

If that is fixed a FanZilla will be the next investment.

Thanks again for the help everyone, I'm learning more all the time.

Sacha





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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:57:10 -0000
From: gus_at_dml_austin.rr.com
Subject: Re: Reluctant downshift.

Payne,

I too had a very mushy 2nd gear when I bought 4695.  According to
Steven Wynne, the plastic clutch line kept the clutch from disengaging
100% and would make the gears crunch a little; the weak spot in the
system is the rollpin for the 2nd gear synchro, which had become bent
as a result.  This made shifting into 2nd problematic.

It's simple enough to correct, if you consider splitting the
transmission simple.  If I recall, the repair cost was nominal.


Gus Schlachter
Austin, TX
4695


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> Ever since I bought #2975 she doesn't like to downshift to seccond
> gear.  It will up-shift to seccond just fine, but feels very
> indirect and not nearly as precise as the other gears feel.
> payne




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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:52:41 -0500
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Beware Turtle Wax!

Use your blending pad and work with the grain of the metal.

Scott Mueller
DMCNEWS 002981
DOA 5031

-----Original Message-----
From: aaron_t_graham_at_dml_yahoo.com [mailto:aaron_t_graham_at_dml_yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 4:08 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Beware Turtle Wax!


I recently saw a metal polisher in the store, a new Turtle Wax 
wheel/metal polish. 

SNIPPED

 Until 
then, does anybody know how to remove the stuff?

Aaron
#01506








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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:05:34 -0500
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Press photo / Article

How about scanning and uploading to DMCNEWS web site so us Yanks or
Colonists can see it.

Scott Mueller
DMCNEWS 002981
DOA 5031

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Parnham [mailto:chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 5:16 AM
To: doc-uk_at_dml_yahoogroups.com; dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Press photo / Artical


In today's (UK)  Daily Express ( 13th June 2001) newspaper, there is a half
page feature, with nice photo about our beloved DeLoreans......it states
that the cars now have "Cult status".....

Well worth getting hold of a copy if you can.

Chris P DOC UK




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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:58:07 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: AUTO trans update

There are only 2 things that cause the trans to shift. 1 is the shift 
linkage and the other is the shift computer. Although there is a 
hydraulic valve body in the trans it gets its signal to shift from the 
shift computer acting on the two solenoid valves. This is unlike 
anything you car nut would be familiar with. The fact that it DOES 
shift into all gears is good news in that the mechanicals of the trans 
are probably in good shape. The only other thing you could check is 
the adjustment of the cable from the throttle spol to the shift 
computer. If it is WAY off it will affect the shift speeds. Don't 
worry it is probably the shift computer causing the delayed shifts.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Delorean17_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Hi List,
>     I bought a new trans computer but it wont be here for a few 
> days.  My car started to act a little better after I drove it
> for a little bit.
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:12:44 -0000
From: delorean502_at_dml_excite.com
Subject: Re: DMC Prices

> I get the exact opposite here, people who scope out my
> car think it's 50-70K for price... I don't let them
> know any different...

They are not far off.  Delorean One now sells refurbished Deloreans 
for over $60K.  

Erik Geerdink
4512




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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:43:35 EDT
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Pektron webpage...

Hey List,

    I was bored the other night and since I had the blue relay that was 
supposed to control the cooling fans right here near my computer, I decided 
to do a search on yahoo!  to see what I could find on the manufacturer of 
this relay..."Pektron".  After the search came through, the second search 
result was for the UK based Pektron company.  

http://www.pektron.co.uk/

And the funny thing about this is what it says on their very first page...

<<<<<<<Pektron plc is one of the UKís leading electronics design and 
manufacturing companies. We produce a vast range of controls for customers in 
a variety of markets, most of which are designed and built to customersí 
specifications. A key reason for Pektronís success is the ability of our 
engineering department to produce technically sound and cost-effective design 
within the most demanding timescales. >>>>>

I think its funny how they can talk so highly of themselves, but their past 
eletrical work for the De Lorean could have made the engine overheat when the 
cooling fans didn't turn on when they were supposed to.  Just thought fellow 
DMLers would get a kick out of this.


Later,
Nick
1852
<A HREF="Http://members.aol.com/njp548">Http://members.aol.com/njp548</A>



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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:42:23 -0000
From: noflux_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Re: A/c fixes

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_b...> wrote:
> Dear List,
> 
> I need to fix my a/c.  I am having a hard time finding r-12 and was 
wondering if anyone knows of the conversion kit to change to R-134?  
What should I do?  If I stay with r-12 and there is a leak, I could 
be out some serious cash.  but switching to r-134 sounds like the 
right thing to do.  any drawbacks. 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> Sweating in the D
> 
> Joseph 
> vin 2850
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Hello,

I converte dmy D to 134a and it works great. The only thing you need 
to keep in mind id that thr 134a runs under higher presure than the r-
12 so you may have to replace items from premature ware. However the 
cost is still less than having to mess with the r-12. 

The only thing I did to convert mine was chang out the charging 
valves (on top of the compressor)and purge and vaccum out the system 
SO THAT ALL OF THE THE OLD R-12 AND R-12 OIL IS OUT then rechrged it 
with 134a, and it seem to be just as cold as the R-12.

REMEMBER THAT YOU CANT JUST LET THE R-12 GO FREE WHEN YOU DO THE 
CONVERSION, IT IS AGAINST THE LAW AND VERY VERY DANGEROUS. YOU NEED 
TO TAKE YOUR CAR TO A AUTO SHOP THAT HAS THE EQUIPTMENT TO CAPTURE 
THE R-12. HAVE THEM DISCHARGE YOUR SYSTEM OF R-12 AND THE OIL.

Good Luck and God Bless...




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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:04:48 -0400
From: L Sandel <ls_at_dml_chickencow.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: Euro front plate holder

Hello list,

Does anybody know of a source for a front license plate holder for Euro
plates?  All I can seem to find are holders for USA plates...  Specifically,
I'm looking for a way to mount a Euro plate without drilling holes in my
fascia.

Thanks for any help,
Luke





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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:09:11 -0000
From: paulheymeson_at_dml_thefreeinternet.co.uk
Subject: Accumalator

Hi List,

my car is suffering from the hard start problem.
I have cleaned up contacts on transistors and put a new coil lead on.
It won't start after about 10 mins -an hour,untill its really cooled 
down I guess.
So I'm gonna change the accumalator next as I think this may be the 
trouble.
My 2 Questions are
1.Where is it and how do i get it off?
2.Who is it made by?
If it's made by bosh I can probably get one from a motor shop here.

Many Thanks It seems all my woes are coming at once!
Just done my slave cylinder on the clutch last thursday!


Cheers Paul UK Vin741.....




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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:14:52 EDT
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: AC Compressor wont come on

Hello,
    now that it is 70 out I can no longer drive my car until night time 
because the air conditioning will not come on.  when I turn the A/C on the 
cooling fans dont come on and the compressor doesnt engage.  I tested the 
wire at the compressor and it is not getting power.  any ideas on what this 
could be?  I have Mr. Herveys fan fix and new 40A circuit breakers installed. 
 The cooling fans cycle on and off like they should but I still havent had 
the compressor come on since I bought the car.  any ideas?
    one last thing, and I checked the connections on the mode switch and they 
are fine.

Thank You
David



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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:58:45 -0400
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: RE: 1983 DeLorean 4-door

[Moderator Note: Marc is not referring to photographs, but a report of actual physical contact with this car, including a test drive.]

Just wondering....  

Was this a late April fools joke? 

Can "dinopremo" let us know what happened with this car?  Where are the
pictures posted?



-----Original Message-----
From: dinopremo_at_dml_yahoo.com [mailto:dinopremo_at_dml_yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 1:24 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] 1983 DeLorean 4-door



I have stumbled across something interesting...

a 1983 DeLorean 4-door, stretched limousine. Between the front and 
rear doors there is a fixed glass window, the rear doors look exactly 
like the front doors and operate the same. The stretch is probably 
around 72" and there is a power operated glass partition behind the 
front seats. The interior is black leather with silver mouton 
carpeting. The exterior is raw stainless steel. The car is absolutely 
perfect inside and out, it has been kept in air-conditioned/heated 
storage, and has 7300 miles on the clock. It has also been kept in 
running condition, with current state license/emissions stickers, and 
I did take it for a short drive around the parking lot. It has a 6-
cylinder engine with an automatic transmission.
<SNIP>
I'll try to post some pictures of it when I get them back from being 
developed and have a chance to scan them.




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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:19:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Aaron Posey <cadysrme_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: [ETDOC] Biltmore Estate, NC Meet

Hello all-


I am in the process of planning a meet for the ETDOC again!
 I have reserved an area at Biltmore Estate (America's
Largest Home) in Ashville, NC.  The date I am planning on
is July 8, 2001.  

So far I am still in the middle of planning, but I would
like to do a small gathering in the morning. The cars will
be placed in front of the home, a PERFECT photo opp.  We
would then eat lunch at the estate and leave for a road
tour around the Ashville.  

If you  have any interests, please email me and let me
know!  This way I know how many cars to let the Biltmore
Rep know will be there.  There will be a charge to get into
the area. The normal rate is around $35, but I think as a
group we can get in for around $27 per person (don't hold
me to it). If anyone is traveling and would like a hotel
room, there is a new Inn at the Estate, or lesser expensive
ones outside the Estate.  Any information can be found
about Biltmore at www.biltmore.com.  I will post meet
information at www.etdoc.com very soon.

Thanks-

Aaron Posey
ETDOC
3202



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