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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 586
Date: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 7:24 PM

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There are 6 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: A/c fixes

2. Re: e-bay cars (was DMC Prices)

3. Re: e-bay cars (was DMC Prices)

4. Re: Nationality of DeLorean

5. Re: mufflers

6. Re: Nationality of DeLorean

Message: 1
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:58:42 -0000
Subject: Re: A/c fixes

Yes, you could convert to R134.  Or you could use one of the R-12
substitutes, like R-406A (

However, I don't think either of these will be cheaper than fixing
your current system.  It all depends on why your current system lost

If you need a new compressor as I did recently, they're "only" $250
from  (I say "only" because this *is* allot of money, but
cheap for an A/C compressor.)  You may have a burst hose if it was
rubbing the body just right; the hoses are LONG and about $175 each. 
If you have a damaged evaporator or condenser, those are $400 - $500,
ouch.  And you really should replace the accumulator/dryer ($170) if
the system was open to the atmosphere for a long period.  I got these
prices online:

So if you must replace ALL of that, then you may as well convert all
the way.  But trying to adapt the current system to R134 will likely
give unsatisfactory results.  It runs at a higher pressure and is
therefore less efficient, but should get just as cold.

I agree that R-12 is not cheap like it was 10 years ago, but R-134
ain't free, either.  All A/C shops should be able to find leaks
without using can after can of Freon (they're not allowed, right?)

I can check when I get home, but I believe that my recent A/C repair
done by a Delorean specialist was fairly cheap, $500-600 with a new
compressor and Freon charge.

Gus Schlachter
Austin, TX

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_b...> wrote:
> I need to fix my a/c.  I am having a hard time finding r-12 and was
wondering if anyone knows of the conversion kit to change to R-134? 
What should I do?  If I stay with r-12 and there is a leak, I could be
out some serious cash.  but switching to r-134 sounds like the right
thing to do.  any drawbacks. 
> Joseph 
> vin 2850


Message: 2
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:23:28 -0000
Subject: Re: e-bay cars (was DMC Prices)

I essentially bought my car on eBay.  I had been looking for quite
some time, and was interested in a particular car that I'd seen other
places (Hemmings, online classifieds, etc.) that was in Houston.  This
was the most attractive feature of the car, since Houston is only a
2-3 hour drive (and wasn't underwater at the time, LOL).  I later
found this "USADMC-something" company is Houston that could vouch for
the car, saying it was well worn (almost 100,000 miles) but otherwise
well cared for.

I noticed that every time I found a new listing for this car, the
price went down.  It was listed in various places for weeks if not
months when it finally showed up on eBay...and got no bids.  At that
point I could stand it no longer and called the guy and asked if he'd
take his minimum bid price of $12,500, and he agreed.

Was I happy?  Darn tootin!  I was thrilled to have a DMC!  There were
a few things that bugged me, though, like the sellers assertion that
the windows had been intentionally disabled because his forearm hit
the switches while shifting.  That may have been true, but it was also
true that one was off the track and both regulators were blown.  
:-(    There were other things, too, but most were either typical D
problems or storage-related.

I can't be too unhappy; I had USADMC fix just about everything that
needed it, and ended up spending somewhere around that magic $20k mark
total.  All in all a good deal.

I don't think I would buy a second DMC from eBay unless I knew the
seller personally or could inspect the car prior to the sale (or
wanted a project car cheap, ha ha ha).

Gus Schlachter
Austin, TX

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Michael C. Babb" <michael_at_dml_b...> wrote:
> Just for another side of the issue. I sold my DeLorean this past
> December after listing it on e-bay.  The auction never went all of
> the way through as I got a side offer and decided to not chance
> seeing the auction all of the way through...

> I would personally be interested in hearing other people's accounts
> of either buying or selling DeLorean's through e-bay...
> Michael C. Babb
> Former VIN 3472  :)


Message: 3
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:46:26 -0000
Subject: Re: e-bay cars (was DMC Prices)

Glad to see your still visiting the list Michael! Buying the car on 
Ebay has picked me up a few additional WOWs. For everyone else who 
doesn't know the story, I bought the D from Michael sight unseen off 
the web. The experience was a little strange, since I was sending a 
rather large cashiers check to someone I don't know. 

The best thing Michael did was the extensive photo gallery he set up 
on his website. Almost every possible angle was shown, and that gave 
me a feeling of actually inspecting the car in person. 100 photos 
were good enough for me! He was also very honest about any problems 
or blemishes. The car was exactly as described, which made me a very 
happy buyer. The additional close-up photos of the one or two areas 
where the practically unnoticeable blemishes were was very reassuring.

I wouldn't have any problem purchasing another vehicle if it was well 
documented and photographed.

Current #3472

> Just for another side of the issue. I sold my DeLorean this past 
> after listing it on e-bay.  
> Michael C. Babb
> Former VIN 3472  :)


Message: 4
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:56:21 -0000
Subject: Re: Nationality of DeLorean

As far as I know, JZD is American.  DeLorean Motor
Company was an American car company, the headquarters
were in a high rise on Park Avenue in NYC.  DeLorean
Motor Cars Ltd. was the production subsidiary of DMC
that was in Dunmurry to build the cars.  Most
most (except for the 17xxx vins) were manufactured
for the American market.  I would say that the
DeLorean is a very American car

John Yeoman


Message: 5
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:21:05 -0000
Subject: Re: mufflers

Willie and the Group.

You may have already read message # 17568 that mentions using a 
Flowmaster aftermarket exhaust.  And the problems associated with 
it.  It also mentions perhaps contacting Rob Grady of 
and see where he got his.  He doesn't give any info regarding an 
aftermarket exhaust on the web site.

I am happy with my stainless steel stock exhaust.

Plus, I have spent more than enough on my DeLorean.

Will be writing something soon about my engine removal and conversion 
to an even firing 3.0 Liter engine block mated to the DeLorean stock 
heads, intake, and crank case cover.  I have put 500 miles on this 
set up since I got it back from the mechanic.

Mark R. Vanyo
VIN # 02261
Seattle, Washington

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., wmack <wmack_at_dml_v...> wrote:
> Does anyone know where i can get a performance muffler for a 
delorean?  or a 
> cross referenced performance muffler?
> Thanks
>   Willie
>   vin 5043


Message: 6
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:09:16 -0000
Subject: Re: Nationality of DeLorean

1. Technicly from a bussiness standpoint, the DeLorean is an American 
car. After all, Nissans are made in the Tennessee, yet we still 
labeled them as imports. And Dodge trucks are built in Mexico, but we 
call them Domestic. So from a bussiness standpoint, the DeLorean is 
an American car, yes. But based upon where it's built at, that's a 
differant story. It's built by Irish workers in Northern Ireland. But 
Northern Ireland is a part of the UK. So this is up to your own 
interpritation. Most folks say Irish. but some do say British. On the 
flip side, I've only heared it ever called a British Car by people 
who are trying to sell one (I guess they figure Britsh means higher 
price, I don't know). But like I said, it's up to you. Myself, I like 
others consider the car to be of Irish origin. It makes most people 
do a double take, and it's out of pride.

2. No, John Z. De Lorean is not French. If I remember correctly, his 
father is from Rumania. JZD's birth name is "Delorean". While working 
at GM he changed the layout of his name to "De Lorean". Some people 
criticized this move, and blamed it on his new 'California 
Influence'. I believe it is the book "Dream Maker" by Ivan Fallon and 
James Srodes the makes a notation that "De Lorean" is a French 
spelling of his name. That's where the confusion about his French 
origin comes from.

vin 6585

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Grigor Maksudyan <delorean66_at_dml_y...> wrote:
>...But what is the true nationality of the car?
> 2) I know that John Z. DeLorean was born in Detroit, Michigan. But 
I heard from many people that he is actually French. Is this true?


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