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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 609
Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 5:49 AM

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There are 19 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. RE: plastic clutch line syndrome?
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

2. Re: plastic clutch line syndrome?
From: Roland Barmettler <roli_at_dml_delorean.ch>

3. Re: Otterstat question
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

4. Re: Fuel Gauge
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

5. Re: plastic clutch line syndrome?
From: Jeff Wiltzius <wiltzius_at_dml_doit.wisc.edu>

6. Cooling fan malfunction
From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com

7. Re: Fuel Gauge
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

8. Re: Otterstat question
From: "David Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

9. Re: The $5 window fix
From: mark_at_dml_knudsonward.com

10. 2nd annual Minnesota Fall Delorean Get-together
From: "Nick Kemp" <nkemp_at_dml_pclink.com>

11. Mismatched VIN/Build months
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

12. Re: Otterstat question
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

13. Re: Otterstat question
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

14. Re: plastic clutch line syndrome?
From: "Ryan Foster" <westiething_at_dml_hotmail.com>

15. clutch line replacement
From: johndmc57_at_dml_yahoo.com

16. RE: plastic clutch line syndrome?
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

17. Re: Door Guides
From: Jan van de Wouw <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>

18. door guides
From: "Ryan Foster" <westiething_at_dml_hotmail.com>

19. Clutch Service
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:06:28 -0500
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: plastic clutch line syndrome?

Andy - Your symptoms indicate the clutch line
or you need to bleed your clutch.  You can try
bleeding it first and if that doesn't work,
go ahead an replace the hose.

Mike Griese

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From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:Soma576_at_dml_aol.com]
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 8:18 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] plastic clutch line syndrome?


hey all,

today it was SUPER hot and sticky out here in Fargo, ND.  it was around 95
degrees and very humid.  anyway, i went out to lunch at work around 2pm and
my transmission suddenly started to grind gears now and then.  sometimes it
was hard to get out of 1st or 2nd gear.




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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:50:24 +0200
From: Roland Barmettler <roli_at_dml_delorean.ch>
Subject: Re: plastic clutch line syndrome?

Hi Andy

> the symptoms are grinding 1st and 2nd gear, as well as difficulty in
> getting out of gear sometimes.  yes, the clutch pedal is depressed ALL of the
> way.  i haven't ground on 3rd or 4th gear yet.  oh yeah - for the last couple
> months my reverse has grinded for a split second about every 4th time i shift
> into Reverse.

I had the exactly the same problem with my plastic line. When the clutch
pedal was fully depressed and only released a tiny bit, the clutch would
"grip" already.
And with hot weather I had trouble shifting Rev, 1st and 2nd.

> would these be by-the-book symptoms of needing the stainless clutch line?  i
> just ordered it and warren said that it sounds like the problem.  what do the
> rest of you think?

I had the plastic line replaced with the stainless one a week ago and
I must say it's a BIG difference! The Problem went completely away, and
the point where the clutch "grips" is now in the upper quarter of the
pedal-way instead of all the way down.
I would really recommend you to replace the plastic line!

Greetings,
Roland

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Roland Barmettler - roli_at_dml_DeLorean.ch - http://www.DeLorean.ch - VIN #11512



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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 06:38:34 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Otterstat question

The otterstat normally faces down, but I saw a couple at Eurofest that faced 
UP.  Anyone have a comment on that?

Wayne A. Ernst 
DMCTech Group



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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 06:38:34 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Fuel Gauge

In a message dated 6/25/01 11:24:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com writes:


> The fuel gauge is not quite working right, only reading 1/2 full, and maybe 
> under that (when the tank gets there.) Would there be a way to fix this 
> 

It's usually the fault of the sending unit, not the gauge. When I cleaned my 
tank and replaced my fuel pump boot and hoses, I noticed a fair amount of 
black silt inside my sending unit.  I rinsed it out with acetone, and the 
gauge reads just fine now.  NOS sending units are, I think, generally 
unavailable, so the usual replacement is the Tankzilla unit, available from 
P.J. Grady and some other vendors. 

Wayne A. Ernst
DMCTech Group


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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:42:09 -0500
From: Jeff Wiltzius <wiltzius_at_dml_doit.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: plastic clutch line syndrome?

All,

Regarding the below message on the plastic clutch line- I have the 
plastic clutch line also but have been 'living' with it because I 
have read/heard that it is a fairly major operation to have the line 
replaced and that when doing it you might as well put in a whole new 
clutch also. Is there truth to this rumor or is it possible to just 
swap out the plastic line for the steel one? Any insights/experiences 
welcome!

Sincerely,
Jeff
VIN 6145 <-still in the shop 'cause she just won't start!

<snip>
>I had the plastic line replaced with the stainless one a week ago and
>I must say it's a BIG difference! The Problem went completely away, and
>the point where the clutch "grips" is now in the upper quarter of the
>pedal-way instead of all the way down.
>I would really recommend you to replace the plastic line!
<snip>
-- 

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Jeff Wiltzius
DoIT HelpDesk
UW-Madison



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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 15:11:47 EDT
From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Cooling fan malfunction

Hello

Every once in a while the cooling fan light would go on, and flicker. Now it 
sometimes stays on for a longer time. I can also hear it kick in a shut off. 
Also, when I was looking though the DMC dealer brochure, I saw at the end 
that the previous owner had written "coolant fan module" and it had a price 
of like $28.00.

Do I need this "coolant fan module"? 

Thanks a lot!
John Feldman
VIN 4275


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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 15:53:57 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel Gauge

John,

If you have any mechanical aptitude, try taking your sender unit apart and
fixing it yourself.  The seal is rubber and reusable unlike the copper seals
in the rest of the fuel system.  Inside the sending unit, usually what
breaks is the wire connecting the switch for the 'low fuel' warning light.
When this wire comes loose from one end, then it tangles with the float to
give inaccurate readings.  Also you might want to tighten the sliding
connection at the float.  The original sender is cheaply made and prone to
failure.  If you want to fix it only once, then get a Tankzilla.

Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 19:44:29 -0000
From: "David Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: Re: Otterstat question

Some of the early ones were built that way. There is a DMC service 
bulletin on this. With the Otterstat on the top, you can get an air 
bubble in there and have the fans turn on/off at the wrong temp. Fix 
was/is to rotate the pipe. VERY early cars have solid pipe almost all 
the way to the engine, over the airconditioner. To rotate that style 
you have to cut the pipe.

Dave Swingle

deloreanernst_at_dml_a... wrote:
> The otterstat normally faces down, but I saw a couple at Eurofest 
that faced 
> UP.  Anyone have a comment on that?
> 
> Wayne A. Ernst 
> DMCTech Group




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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 20:13:32 -0000
From: mark_at_dml_knudsonward.com
Subject: Re: The $5 window fix

To Scott and the List,

Check out 
http://stainlesssteel.freeyellow.com
Then click on
The $5.00 Side Window Repair

This DeLorean web site is one of many that give great advice on 
projects you can accomplish all on your own.

Mark R. Vanyo
VIN # 02261
Lic OUTATYM
Seattle, Washington

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_w...> wrote:
Could someone refresh my memory as to what the $5 fix is?
Perhaps you can quote the original message that describes this fix or 
steer me to the web link.

Thanks.
Scott

Scott Mueller
DMCNEWS 002981
DOA 5031




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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 13:57:28 -0500
From: "Nick Kemp" <nkemp_at_dml_pclink.com>
Subject: 2nd annual Minnesota Fall Delorean Get-together

Mark your calendars now for the 2nd annual Minnesota Fall get-together
scheduled for Sunday, Sept. 16 at Deer Lake Orchard.  The fall colors will
be great, the weather is focasted to be perfect, the company of other
Delorean enthusiasts is always enjoyable and it is a chance to take the
Delorean for one last cruise before the end of the season.

Last year we had a good showing of the local Deloreans.  The Local newspaper
came out and ran a full page article on the front page of the second
section.  The Delorean owners had a chance to talk with other local owners
and put faces to email addresses.

This year we hope to get even more cars from the upper mid-west area. Live
entertainment, wagon rides and food is planned and we expect many more
non-owners will attend this year to check out the cars. Specifics of the day
are not finalized and will be announced later.

So shine up your cars (with the grain) and mark your calendar for Sunday,
Sept. 16.

Nick Kemp





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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:45:33 -0600
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Mismatched VIN/Build months

In the course of assisting Knut Grimsrud in creating the DeLorean Production
Chronology over the past few years, we've noticed a few cars like this. One
possible explanation (partially backed up by a De Lorean Motor Company
internal memo discovered at the factory in 1997) is that some cars for one
reason or another were pulled from the assembly line (the memo discusses
cars with emission problems, in particular) and once the problem was
corrected they were returned to production, hence the build month being "out
of whack" with the rest of the VIN's brethren.

I second Erik's welcome to Bastiaan, and encourage you to register for the
DeLorean Owners Directory...

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas 

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com

> Thats interesting, my Delorean is VIN 4512 and it is an Oct. 81
> build.  I wonder why VIN 4597 was built in August.
> Welcome to the strange world of Deloreans!
> 
> Erik 
> 4512  Oct. 81
> 
>> Ohyeah, another nice one. The car manufacturing date stamped on the
>> plate
>> mounted in the door says august 81
>> 
>> Bastiaan Olij
>> Owner of Vin #4597 build august 1981 since 21 June 2001




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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 21:03:02 -0000
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Otterstat question

The otterstat needs to be submersed in order to work properly.
With the switch in the up position, air can collect around the
thermostat elements in the switch and prevent the switch from
closing by insulating the switch from the actual coolant 
temperature.  This would prevent the fans from coming on, 
risking an overheating condition.

Mike

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., deloreanernst_at_dml_a... wrote:
> The otterstat normally faces down, but I saw a couple at Eurofest 
that faced 
> UP.  Anyone have a comment on that?
> 
> Wayne A. Ernst 
> DMCTech Group





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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 01:45:48 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: Otterstat question

Refer to your parts manual 1:3:1 and you will find the different 
configurations with the vin break at 1233. The reason for the change 
was the concern of an air bubble covering the switch and preventing an 
accurate temp. It appears that if you cut the pipe (101943) to make it 
look like 110131 and replace hose 108675 you can change it to the 
higher vin config. (This is probably what the factory did anyway).
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., deloreanernst_at_dml_a... wrote:
> The otterstat normally faces down, but I saw a couple at Eurofest 
that faced 
> UP.  Anyone have a comment on that?
> 
> Wayne A. Ernst 
> DMCTech Group
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 21:03:17
From: "Ryan Foster" <westiething_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: plastic clutch line syndrome?

Jeff,
I replaced my plastic clutch line with the stainless one it was fairley 
easy. The hard part was replacing the slave cylinder and bleeding it. I 
realise the DeLorean wasn't designed to repair easily.
Ryan- vin.#16301

>From: Jeff Wiltzius <wiltzius_at_dml_doit.wisc.edu>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [DML] plastic clutch line syndrome?
>Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:42:09 -0500
>
>All,
>
>Regarding the below message on the plastic clutch line- I have the
>plastic clutch line also but have been 'living' with it because I
>have read/heard that it is a fairly major operation to have the line
>replaced and that when doing it you might as well put in a whole new
>clutch also. Is there truth to this rumor or is it possible to just
>swap out the plastic line for the steel one? Any insights/experiences
>welcome!
>
>Sincerely,
>Jeff
>VIN 6145 <-still in the shop 'cause she just won't start!
>
><snip>
> >I had the plastic line replaced with the stainless one a week ago and
> >I must say it's a BIG difference! The Problem went completely away, and
> >the point where the clutch "grips" is now in the upper quarter of the
> >pedal-way instead of all the way down.
> >I would really recommend you to replace the plastic line!
><snip>
>--
>
>--------
>Jeff Wiltzius
>DoIT HelpDesk
>UW-Madison
>
>
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 03:21:02 -0000
From: johndmc57_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: clutch line replacement

I am so happy I installed the steel line. I was a pain, you do need 
to use a vacum pump bleeder to get the job done, the bleeder screw 
for the line is in the worse possible location and you can only open 
it by using a socket and working blind.




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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 17:36:13 -0500
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: plastic clutch line syndrome?

In 1985 I replaced just my plastic clutch line with the SS Braided.
The most difficult task was connecting and bleeding at the slave cylinder.

Scott Mueller
DMCNEWS 002981
DOA 5031

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Wiltzius [mailto:wiltzius_at_dml_doit.wisc.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:42 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] plastic clutch line syndrome?


All,

Regarding the below message on the plastic clutch line- I have the 
plastic clutch line also but have been 'living' with it because I 
have read/heard that it is a fairly major operation to have the line 
replaced and that when doing it you might as well put in a whole new 
clutch also. Is there truth to this rumor or is it possible to just 
swap out the plastic line for the steel one? Any insights/experiences 
welcome!

Sincerely,
Jeff
VIN 6145 <-still in the shop 'cause she just won't start!

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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 00:09:27 +0200
From: Jan van de Wouw <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>
Subject: Re: Door Guides

On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 16:09:01 Joe Thome wrote:
>
> Interesting information about the importance of door guides.
> 
> Would a DeLorean with a VIN 06467 manufactured in November, 1981, likely
> have those door guides? Can anyone explain how can I check to see if my car
> has them? Does anyone have pictures of what they look like?

I haven't got my car at home right now, so making a picture is going to be
difficult. I DID find a picture on Stian Birkelands' website
<http://home.online.no/~stianfb/norway.htm> on which one is quite clearly
visible. To make it more clear I've cropped and marked the picture and put it up
at <http://www.vdwouw.demon.nl/doorguide.jpg> (Hope Stian doesn't mind) ;-)

If you look closely you'll see two "bulges" made of SS next to the latch-slot,
this is one part, going all around this slot. I don't know which version this
would be, but now at least you have some idea of where to look. If you car is
"edged" (for lack of a better word) instead of rounded like in this pic you
probably don't have the guides. Contact your favorite vendor with your VIN#
handy; they'll know which version you'll need...

Good luck,

JAN van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

check out the Delorean-Files at:
http://www.deloreanfiles.nl/
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 01:50:43
From: "Ryan Foster" <westiething_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: door guides

I don't know if it matters but I have the plastic door guides on my car. I 
looked at them and they are  greyish in color. My car is an Aug. '82 build. 
titled as an 83. did the factory put stainless steel guides on the car? If 
any one wants a picture of the door guides for any reason, just let me know. 
I'll get one to you.

                         Ryan- vin.#16301

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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 21:34:08 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Clutch Service

To All,

Several list members have suggested that I promote my article on Clutch Service Tips now showing on DMC.tv .

DMC Joe

www.dmc.tv 

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>




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