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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 615
Date: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 4:53 AM

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There are 11 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: solid steel clutch line
From: "DMC Joe" <>

2. Add to VIN List..
From: "Marc A. Levy" <>

3. Re: HELP, I'm about to really mess up!
From: "John L. Rahn" <>

4. Re: Lightened flywheels and other performance stuff
From: William T Wilson <>

5. my stainless steel clutchline experience

6. Re: Automatic interior light
From: "Ryan Foster" <>

7. Frame
From: "Paul Salsbury" <>

8. 'Tinted window' question
From: Sacha Prins <>

9. Re: my stainless steel clutchline experience
From: "David Swingle" <>

10. Starting and Idling Issues
From: Jay Jones <>

11. DeLorean Farm

Message: 1
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 01:12:41 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <>
Subject: Re: solid steel clutch line


The QAC centers did not install rigid steel clutch lines.

DMC Joe 
"We're here to help you"
DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <>

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ralf Philipp 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 10:17 AM
  Subject: [DML] solid steel clutch line


  you are not the only one!
  My car is also equipped with the solid steel clutch line

  Does anybody know, if these lines were possibly installed by the Quality
  Assurance Centers? I know that my car was definitely at a QAC because every
  update was made and there is the QAC sticker on the drivers side window.


Message: 2
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 08:22:18 -0400
From: "Marc A. Levy" <>
Subject: Add to VIN List..

It may be a good idea to show this car on the VIN list as a flood car..

I have a feeling we will be seeing it again.  :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Dee Moats []
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] are there d's with minimal troubles?

D Moats Vin #04434 (now belonging to State Farm)


Message: 3
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 14:44:29 -0000
From: "John L. Rahn" <>
Subject: Re: HELP, I'm about to really mess up!

Well, I got everything fixed.  Special thanks to John Hervey, Dave 
Swingle and David Sontos.  Of the 1154 members on this list, they 
were the only ones that answered my request for help.  John even 
called me at home to help me directly.  Thanks to you all!


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "John L. Rahn" <john_rahn_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> HELP!!!  I'm trying to remove the old fuel lines that run from the 
> fuel pump to the metal lines on the frame.  The metal fittings that 
> join the rubber coated lines to the metal lines are driving me 
> crazy.  I finally got one off but the other is really on there.  


Message: 4
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 00:57:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: William T Wilson <>
Subject: Re: Lightened flywheels and other performance stuff

MODERATOR NOTE] this is the correct answer - there is no "flywheel" as such in an automatic car. End of Thread]

On Sat, 30 Jun 2001, Aaron King wrote:

> I am trying to figure out some different things I can do to my car (81
> auto trans) to make it perform better without (1) swapping out the
> things I could do that would cost less.  These things might include:
> Cam regrinding, lightened flywheel, headers/exhaust work, and air
> intake work.

I don't think the auto transmission even *has* a flywheel, so that's
pretty well out. :} Lightening the flywheel is only an option for manual
transmissions, in general.  It would probably be a pretty good option on
the DeLorean, unfortunately, it would have to be specially made to balance
the engine, and I don't know anyone making them.

One trick that is done on other cars is to not do any balancing with the
flywheel at all, and use the balancing weights from an automatic
transmission's flexplate.  This way you can balance your engine without
having to take special precautions.  This only works if the counterweight
is detachable though, and is a moot point except for the flywheel maker :}

> The cam regrinding would cost me ~$100 for both, assuming I can remove
> and reinstall them myself.  I don't know if I can do that or not, so
> I'm holding off on that for now.

This is tricky also because of the way the cams are made.  Only the
surface is hardened, the cam material is generally fairly soft and would
wear quickly if they were reground.  You could still do it, you would
simply have to either be prepared for this wear, or find a way to
re-harden the surfaces (I think this is what DMC Houston does).

> I contacted Dave Burrows at DRB Car Spares & Accessories in England
> about headers.  Apparently, they are still in development and Custom

It should not be that hard, any hot-rod shop could probably manage it.

> Oh, maybe I should mention why I'm posting this.  I guess I'm just
> frustrated when I get smoked off the line by a chevy panel van even

You should make sure that your car is running right.  While any modern
sportscar, most modern sedans and the occasional SUV are faster than the
DeLorean, I think you should still be able to take a panel van :}  So
perhaps something is not quite right somewhere.


Message: 5
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:23:23 EDT
Subject: my stainless steel clutchline experience

hey all,

i have successfully replaced my OEM clutch line with the stainless steel 
braided line.  i must say it was easier than i thought it would be!    the 
hardest part was definitely bleeding the system, but that's only because you 
need at least two people to do it!  

the only complaint i have is that every now and then, i have a problem with 
2nd gear.  you see, when i shift into it, i move the lever to the left, then 
all the way back until the lever can't go any farther.  then i release the 
clutch and push down on the gas.  anyway, every now and then i can feel the 
stick slip a bit toward the neutral position when i let up on the clutch and 
i accelerate.  this is kinda scary because once it just about started to 
grind because when this happens, the clutch is on, not released.  it does 
this by itself.  

anyone have any ideas on what is going on here?  i hope it's not bad slave or 
master cylinders!

1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102

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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 18:09:50
From: "Ryan Foster" <>
Subject: Re: Automatic interior light

I had the problem with my interior light only working in the off and on 
position. I would not work with the doors. So I pulled the light out of the 
celing. and tested it and I found that the little brass roller on the lense 
wasn't touching the tab connected to the wire that operates the door light, 
when the light comes on with the door. you can bend the tabs to work or buy 
a new light. It is about 30.00 for a new one.
They are made of plastic, and mine had heated you a few time and was warped. 
That is why it did not work. Disconnecting the  door buzzer  will not affect 
the interior lights. I have my door buzzer disconnected too. Good luck.
                          Ryan- vin.#16301

>From: "Kevin Abato" <>
>To: "Dmcnews \(E-mail\)" <>
>Subject: [DML] Automatic interior light
>Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 23:03:46 -0400
>My interior light does not go on in the car when I open the doors.  Was 
>the way the car was designed?  I disconnected my door buzzer, so if this is
>what causes this issue, let me know and I will crawl back under a rock.
>If not, is there any way to rig the light to work this way?


Message: 7
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:28:42 +0100
From: "Paul Salsbury" <>
Subject: Frame

Hi all

Does any one have or no of where there is a complete Frame for sale.

Cheers Paul

Vin....very nearly

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 20:27:50 +0200
From: Sacha Prins <>
Subject: 'Tinted window' question


Today I finished updating my LH window motor, 2 Solenoids and I fixed
malfunctioning mirrors just by spraying WD40 and contact spray in holes
and caveties. Those doors are a mayor pain, but the reward is a
seemingly perfect DeLorean (#17115) with no malfunctions any more.

However, replacing the window motor I severely damaged the little 
window. Not by breaking it, but by scratching it rather badly. My
windows are more tinted than other DeLoreans and I suspect that it was
done after the car left the factory. As far as I can tell the windows
were sputtercoated (no foil or sticker), this however damages easily,
especially with the window motor arm.

I know this is not specifically DeLorean related, nonetheless I want to
post this question, this is after all one of the first places I ask
stuff. Is this reparable, and if not, what is the best way to remove
sputtercoated 'tint' from a window without damaging the window?

Thanks again,


From now on my e-mail address is <>.
Please update your address book if I'm in it.


Message: 9
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 20:23:31 -0000
From: "David Swingle" <>
Subject: Re: my stainless steel clutchline experience

Classic symptom of a broken 2nd gear roll pin. Good news - it costs 
about 75 cents. Bad news - it's inside the transmission. Shift 
carefully, fix it next time you need a new clutch. 

You also may have a slight linkage crossgate adjustment issue. 
Procedure is in the manual.

Dave Swingle

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> hey all,
> i have successfully replaced my OEM clutch line with the stainless 
> braided line.  > the only complaint i have is that every now and 
then, i have a problem with 
> 2nd gear.  you see, when i shift into it, i move the lever to the 
left, then 
> all the way back until the lever can't go any farther.  then i 
release the 
> clutch and push down on the gas.  


Message: 10
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 15:57:23 -0500
From: Jay Jones <>
Subject: Starting and Idling Issues

I know that there have been a lot of posts about hot starting.  However I
wanted to post my specific problem and see what folks think the issue really
is and how to go about fixing it.

When I start the big D cold it starts up will little effort, however if
driven immediately after startup it will fall on its face when accelerating.
After two minutes of running it will run fine.
Different story when starting hot.  I have to hold down the gas and keep my
key turned for 30 seconds before the engine finally fires up.  It runs very
rich (gassy smell) for a couple of minutes and then runs like a champ.

On Idling my engine surges from 800 to 1200 RPM.  I have no idea why it does

Any help would be greatly appreciated. 

Thank you,
VIN 1118. (AKA. The Red DeLorean)

Jay Jones, CNA
First Federal Bank
Network Administrator
Desk (320)-234-4553
Cell   (320)- 583-9652 <> <> 


Message: 11
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 19:34:48 EDT
Subject: DeLorean Farm

    On my way back to Washington, DC from a trip to New York, I was able to 
stop by the former DeLorean farm in Bedminister New Jersey.

    What a shame.

    The swimming pool looked like it had not been cared for in years and was 
severely damaged. The tennis courts were overgrown and damaged.

    The grounds manager showed me pictures of the main house when the former 
tenant moved out. 
    I was able to tour the entire house and estate grounds, informally & take 
some pictures. There were even some hidden doors in the library.
    The current plans for the estate are for an exclusive golf course. 
Construction has already begun for the driving range.
    There are people living in the servants quarters in the back of the 
estate. (DeLorean Goodyear Advertisement was photographed here)
    The saddest part of the visit was listening to the grounds manager 
explain how depressed John DeLorean's three dogs are. Evidently he just 
abandoned them there and they have stopped eating, however the landscapers 
have been trying to feed them.

Michael Pack


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