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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 627
Date: Friday, July 13, 2001 7:23 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Hot Start Problem: Temporary Fix.
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

2. Fuel guage
From: "Ryan Foster" <westiething_at_dml_hotmail.com>

3. Re: Re: Spares
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

4. Radio recommendations?
From: "Jack Singer" <jsinger_at_dml_i-c.net>

5. Vents
From: edherrmann_at_dml_yahoo.com

6. Re: My new CD player question
From: theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com

7. Re: My new CD player question
From: Trevor L Johnson <comet4055_at_dml_juno.com>

8. RE: weird sound when taking corners
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

9. Re: radiator cap
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

10. Re: stiff steering after 20minutes
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

11. Re: Re: Front Facia Removal
From: mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net

12. Re: weird sound when taking corners
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

13. Another DeLorean on E!
From: "Jake" <jkampho_at_dml_siue.edu>

14. Re: weird sound when taking corners
From: "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com>

15. Re: My new CD player question
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>

16. Re: My new CD player question
From: "Patrick Cowan" <LilRedCivic_at_dml_cox.rr.com>

17. Re: Re: Spares
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>

18. Re: Spares
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

19. Re: Re: Diecast Delorean model
From: "Randy Atamaniuk" <martydmc12_at_dml_hotmail.com>

20. Re: weird sound when taking corners
From: abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com

21. Re: what does the vin# mean?
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>

22. Re: Spares
From: "David Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

23. RE: loose steering
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>

24. Re: weird sound when taking corners
From: dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com

25. Craig Radio Display - Finally Works.
From: mark_at_dml_knudsonward.com





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:42:15 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Hot Start Problem: Temporary Fix.

In my last post, I gave an example of my hot start problem. I had a 
jumper wire inserted into the hot start relay to fire the CSV 
whenever the engine is cranked. The problem was the heat here, since 
the engine wouldn't cool quickly enough due to the ambient air temp. 
If I left my car for only a few minutes, it would have a hard time 
starting. The pressure was still high enough in the system to fire 
the injectors quickly, but the CSV would open up and flood the engine.

What I ended up doing was running two lengths of wire tie-wrapped 
together. One wire was plugged into the return from the CSV, and the 
second into the ground connection, both in the Hot Start Relay 
socket. I then connected a push button switch to the other ends of 
the wires. The button sits behind my parking brake with enough slack 
so that I can pick it up with my left hand, and turn the ignition key 
with my right hand. Now I can fire the CSV only when I need it to 
asist me in starting my engine. Plus since it plugs into the HSR 
socket with spade connectors, it can be installed with no 
modifications to the system.

This isn't a supposed to be a permanent cure for my car, but it is 
there to help me in emergency situations. It's also nice not just for 
convience purposes, but saves from the embarassment of having to open 
the engine cover in public to start your car.

-Robert
vin 6585




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 23:12:15
From: "Ryan Foster" <westiething_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Fuel guage

Hi list,
First of all I would like to thank everyone for all the advise, it is really 
good.
I was wondering if the gas guage in the DeLorean usually takes a while for 
it to go where the tank of gas is.
When I start my car up it usually takes a while before it shows true gas 
level.
Does Tankzilla Take care of this problem? Is there something I can do to my 
fuel sending unit, or is this a common problem?
Thanks!!


                         Ryan- vin.#16301

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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:28:52 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Re: Spares

In a message dated 07/12/2001 6:37:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
winter_at_dml_jurai.net writes:

<< Hoses, a spare spark plug and long spark plug wire, coil wire, cap, rotor,
 thermostat, tire patch kit, spare bulbs, headlight...
  >>

American Express Card...don't leave home without it.

Michael



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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:45:39 -0400
From: "Jack Singer" <jsinger_at_dml_i-c.net>
Subject: Radio recommendations?

I am tired of the one bad product that is in my D, the radio.  Can anyone
recommend either on or off of the list which radio they switched to and the
quality of it.  I am not looking to have one of those massive vibrate the
block radio, just one that I can enjoy quality sound while I de-stress in my
D.

I would just rather hear from owners versus hearing what the Circuit City
salesman has to say.

Jack
jsinger_at_dml_i-c.net
5823




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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 23:48:35 -0000
From: edherrmann_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Vents

This might seem like a crazy question but do the vents located behind 
the door windows on the side body vent anything or are they just for 
show. Also is it me or are there alot more Back To The Future toys, 
models and VCD movies mostly coming from over seas than there was 
just 2 years ago.  Ed 16228




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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 02:25:42 -0000
From: theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Re: My new CD player question

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., johndmc57_at_dml_y... wrote:
> I installed a CD player in my "D" and I only have one question,"Why 
> did I wait so long," the CD music adds so much ejoyment to driving 
> this car. By the way, can someone tell me what that thing is in the 
> middle of the console, it has a plugin jack and is connected to a 
> black wire under the radio with and end plug that looks like a 
> computer mouse connector.

From your description, I think you're talking about the antenna lead.

John Yeoman





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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:56:11 -0700
From: Trevor L Johnson <comet4055_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Re: My new CD player question

It's most likely a CD changer Plug.


Trevor Johnson
DMC #'s 4055 and 6974
www.geocities.com/dmc6974
www.deloreanstore.com
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:54:31 -0500
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: weird sound when taking corners

I don't want to alarm you, but you should stop
driving your car immediately.  The clunking you
hear is probably the trailing arm bolts.  These
should be replace immediately, as failure of
either of these two bolts will cause your rear
suspension to collapse.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:Soma576_at_dml_aol.com]

i've noticed on my DeLorean that when i take either a left or right corner
that i hear kind of a 'chunk' sound coming from what i think to be the rear
of the car.

Andy



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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 03:52:19 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: radiator cap

There is a blank-off cap on the radiator (It isn't and should not be 
an ordinary radiator pressure cap). They can and do leak and the cure 
is to remove it and either replace the rubber gasket or sometimes a 
little silicone is enough to fix it. Be careful as it is on a plastic 
neck and if you are not careful it can break. As always do not work on 
it if it is hot as you will burn yourself with hot coolant. The 
radiator cap on the overflow bottle can be tested by a standard 
radiator pressure tester with an adapter for the cap. Check that it 
holds 15 psi and will release any more than that but it doesn't leak 
under pressure and the brass cup on the bottom is not stuck so it can 
release any vacuum. They don't fail any more than on any other car.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Ryan Foster" <westiething_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> Hey list,
> I was wondering how often does the radiator cap go bad that is on 
the 
> radiator?
> 
> 
>                          Ryan- vin.#16301
> 
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 03:57:52 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: stiff steering after 20minutes

It could be a tight steering rack or maybe it just needs to be 
relubricated. Also check your tires for the proper air pressure and 
lubricate the tie rod ends. If it is really bad and this doesn't help 
find a good alignment shop as this is not normal and it indicates a 
serious problem which is potentially dangerous to drive with.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Arne Hofmann (Beta LAYOUT GmbH)" 
<arne.hofmann_at_dml_p...> wrote:
> Hello,
> has had anybody of a steering that is really smooth
> when you start driving - but after about 20minutes driving
> time its gets stiff. I need both hands then to hold my D
> on the road. When I am driving a bend and put the hands
> off the steering wheel it does not come back straight.
> 
> Really funny - and no idea what this could be ???
> 
> Arne




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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 23:56:43 -0400
From: mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net
Subject: Re: Re: Front Facia Removal

Dave,
Found all the bolts you mentioned and facia is off.  I have now strightened and put in the aluminum piece ready to reinstall.

Now for those pesky broken studs, any ideas?

On the frame there is a hand written number 4159 by my vin is 4149 strange.
Jim Sawyer
vin 4149
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 04:05:33 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: weird sound when taking corners

Check the  c-v joints on the rear drive axles. They allow the drive 
axles to move in and out a little as the wheels go up and down so they 
move in and out. They should probably be disassembled, cleaned, and 
relubricated. While you are under there also inspect the trailing arm 
bolts.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> hey all,
> 
> i've noticed on my DeLorean that when i take either a left or right 
corner 
> that i hear kind of a 'chunk' sound coming from what i think to be 
the rear 
> of the car.



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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:41:34 -0500
From: "Jake" <jkampho_at_dml_siue.edu>
Subject: Another DeLorean on E!

Well, as expected, the cable channel "E!" finally did a True Hollywood Story on Jim Varney.  They quickly discuss his DeLorean ownership and show a quick shot of one.

Here's what's funny:  They have an old friend of Jim's talk about the night they went for a drive so Jim could show him how fast the DeLorean goes.  This man seems to remember going 147 MPH.

I suppose what they don't know can't hurt them in this case.  --Unless this DeLorean had some serious modifications. Trent??  


Jake


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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:17:58 -0700
From: "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com>
Subject: Re: weird sound when taking corners

I have this exact same problem with mine.  I checked the trailing arm bolts
to see if they'd backed out but they hadn't.  And I can't see anything else
that would make noise around corners.  It's kind of a low clunking sound
that can be felt through the seats.  It's most noticeable when pulling out
of driveways where the weight shifts to one side.  But if I make two right
hand turns for example it will only clunk on the first turn.

Any ideas?

payne
#2975

> hey all,
>
> i've noticed on my DeLorean that when i take either a left or right corner
> that i hear kind of a 'chunk' sound coming from what i think to be the
rear of the car.



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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 04:33:39 -0000
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
Subject: Re: My new CD player question

Thats what the factory clock plugged into on earlier cars.  I am 
assuming you have a VIN in the late 81's or later.  I didn't see the 
plug on my car (without a clock, VIN 6960) when I took my console off 
this winter, but it still may be behind the AC control panel, (which I 
didn't check).

Jim Reeve
MNDMC - Minnesota DeLorean Club
DMC-6960

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., johndmc57_at_dml_y... wrote:
> I installed a CD player in my "D" and I only have one question,"Why 
> did I wait so long," the CD music adds so much ejoyment to driving 
> this car. By the way, can someone tell me what that thing is in the 
> middle of the console, it has a plugin jack and is connected to a 
> black wire under the radio with and end plug that looks like a 
> computer mouse connector.




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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 01:01:02 -0400
From: "Patrick Cowan" <LilRedCivic_at_dml_cox.rr.com>
Subject: Re: My new CD player question

it could be a changer control unit, or a Remote port. I am an Automotive
Sound Specialist in a garage in chantilly, and i have seen these. most of
the time they are for a CD changer or other external accessory. WHat kind of
radio is it?

Patrick
LilRedCivic_at_dml_cox.rr.com

----- Original Message -----
From: <johndmc57_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: [DML] My new CD player question

  By the way, can someone tell me what that thing is in the
> middle of the console, it has a plugin jack and is connected to a
> black wire under the radio with and end plug that looks like a
> computer mouse connector.



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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 23:07:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Spares

It might be nice for some of the vendors to take all of these "what's in
your emergency kit" posts and create an emergency kit - just for all of us
who are fairly new to the car and aren't sure what might be needed. A
container that would fit nicely in the storage box behind the driver's
seat, or something that would fit nicely in the shallow end of the trunk.

-Christian




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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 01:56:26 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Spares

In a message dated 7/12/01 6:40:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org writes:


> An AAA card :}
> 
> It's not very heavy and it's good for taking care of problems you just
> can't fix otherwise.
>  

Speaking of emergency equipment... don't forget that if you need a tow truck, 
it needs to be a tiltbody. Grabbing your D by the suspension and hoisting it 
in the air can damage your lower control arms, among other things.

Wayne A. Ernst
DMCTech Group





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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:37:14 -0600
From: "Randy Atamaniuk" <martydmc12_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Diecast Delorean model

I just spoke with Sun Star America the other day.  They said that the 
DMC-12's will begin shipping in September at suggested retail price of 
$39.95.  They will then release a "BACK TO THE FUTURE" version of the car, 
with wheels that flip for easy hover conversion, in November.  Stephen Clark 
of BTTF.com informed me that Sun Star employees were at Universal Studios a 
while back, taking dozens of photos of the BTTF DMC-12 for reference.

The gold-plated DMC-12, is scheduled for release March/April 2002.  
Although, this will only happen if sales for the stock DMC-12 & BTTF DMC-12 
are high and the demand is there for the gold-plated version.

Randy


>From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
>Subject: [DML] Re: Diecast Delorean model
>
>Last weekend I was passing a model car store.
>I jokingly inquired about DeLorean models, and was delighted when the
>proprietor showed me the current Sun Star America catalogue, already
>featuring the 1981 DeLorean!  It shows the same picture that Randy
>Atamaniuk pointed out on the Sun Star website three weeks ago:
>
>http://www.sunstartoys.com/2701/2701.htm



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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:12:34 EDT
From: abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: weird sound when taking corners

Fellow DMCer's,
The sound that Andy is hearing (clunking when turning) is possibly the 
sliding motion of the outboard drive shaft inside the bearing race. See 
Delorean World (Winter 1986) for cure. Andy, check your email for my personal 
reply (with attachment).
Bruce Battles
Vin# 06569


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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:34:27 +0100
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
Subject: Re: what does the vin# mean?

Casey / list...ref your Vin 10259.........Vin. 10264, ( only 5 different)
is a UK car, LHD grey manual..never been exported, ex "Patrick Collection"
museum.

It is a club car and was at Eurofest..not sure of "year or month of build".

Chris P DOC UK


> Cameron Putsch wrote:
>
> > I am now vin# 010259 and I am curious to find out if the cars vin
numbers are in cronological order so I can tell which number mine was off
the line. Other than that what does all that other jaz mean?
> >
> > Casey



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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:16:34 -0000
From: "David Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: Re: Spares

Wrong mailing list. The DeLorean uses a timing chain, which would be 
a helluva roadside repair (plus, I've never heard of one failing).

Dave Swingle

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Matthew N. Dodd" <winter_at_dml_j...> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Les Huckins wrote:
> > Those of you who drive distances and are prepared for most
> > emergencies, what do you carry as backups 
> 
> A timing belt and tensioner pully might not be a bad thing to have 
around
> either.




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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:30:12 -0700
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>
Subject: RE: loose steering

Brian - I believe I am the only DMC parts vendor offering a heavy duty
replacement steering shaft and u-joint assembly.  I've been selling them for
years, but they haven't quite made it onto my web site (delorean-parts.com)
yet - I'm kinda slow at that stuff.  Anyway, its a bulletproof assembly
which goes for $240 plus shipping.  Let me know if you are interested.
(I really don't like using this list for self promotion, but felt this was
important enough to override that).

-- 
Darryl Tinnerstet
Specialty Automotive
4 LaBelle Lane
McCleary, WA 98557
PH: 360-495-4640
FAX: 360-495-4680




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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:23:45 -0000
From: dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com
Subject: Re: weird sound when taking corners

Hi all,

I had a similar problem however it was comming from the front, I must 
admit at first I thought it was from the rear but it turned out to be 
the steering rack. When you put the lowered front springs on the 
front of the car it alters the angle of the front trailing arm and 
emphisises any play you have in the steering rack. Fortunatly the 
steering rack on the D does have some ajustment shims to enable the 
rack to be tightened up when it gets sloppy. This might not be the 
same as the problem you are experiencing but it might be worth a look.

Has anyone else experienced a knocking sound after putting lowering 
springs on?

Regards

James RG
UK




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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:15:01 -0000
From: mark_at_dml_knudsonward.com
Subject: Craig Radio Display - Finally Works.

To Les and the List.

Thanks to Les Huckins my Craig radio display finally works.
Bought the 1981 DeLorean last Febuary and I was getting sick and 
tired of not seeing what station I'm on.
I still do play tapes and may some day upgrade the stereo to 
something more modern (like I have seen on some internet sites).  
Some have installed speakers into the back wall while others have 
built a separate box that rests on the parcel shelf and holds the 
midranges and a woofer.
I also use a portable CD player that uses a metal tape cassette which 
slides into the radio and can play my CD's too.

Mark R. Vanyo
VIN # 02261
Lic OUTATYM
Pacific Northwest DeLorean Club
Seattle, WA

P.S.  Les had my Craig radio display working and back to me in a week.
Contact him at jhuckins[at]cybersurfers.net
Heck yeah this is a shameless plug for Les.





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