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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 630
Date: Sunday, July 15, 2001 10:38 AM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Re: Another DeLorean on E!
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

2. Re: coolant question
From: "Donald Ekhoff" <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>

3. Re: Spares
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com

4. DELOREAN FOR SALE
From: Frank <theamdman_at_dml_yahoo.com>

5. Re: Chat
From: "David Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

6. Re: Cold start valve question (it works)
From: Michael Pike <iqintermedia_at_dml_yahoo.com>

7. Re: Me Too: Cold start valve question
From: Michael Pike <iqintermedia_at_dml_yahoo.com>

8. Re: MP3 player
From: Michael Pike <iqintermedia_at_dml_yahoo.com>

9. Delorean Dribblets
From: Michael Pike <iqintermedia_at_dml_yahoo.com>

10. No Cold Idle
From: "Jason" <rowejj_at_dml_netusa1.net>

11. My Delorean winks at me
From: Michael Pike <iqintermedia_at_dml_yahoo.com>

12. Re: coolant question
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

13. Re: Car will not start ... why ...
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

14. Re: Re: Spares
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

15. Re: Spares
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

16. Re: Car will not start ... why ...
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

17. RE: coolant question
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

18. Re: front brake calipers
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

19. Re: Radio recommendations?
From: "Patrick Cowan" <LilRedCivic_at_dml_cox.rr.com>

20. Re: Re: Another DeLorean on E!
From: "B Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>

21. Towing
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>

22. triailing arm bolts?
From: "Cameron Putsch" <putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu>

23. A/C drain tube
From: "ensfield" <ensfield_at_dml_chartermi.net>

24. New DMC Owner
From: georad_at_dml_ibm.net

25. Rhd steering rack
From: "evan" <autotec_at_dml_ozemail.com.au>





Message: 1
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 08:51:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Another DeLorean on E!

John Yoeman said - - 
> 
> Well, if you take what DMC Joe said the rev limit on
> the PRV6 was,
> 5500 rpm, divide it by the gear ratio in 5th, .8205,
> divide by the
> final drive ratio of 3.44, multiply by the rear tire
> circumference of
> approximately 79.325 inches, divide by 12 to get
> inches per minute,
> divide by 5,280 to get miles per minute and multiply
> by 60 to get
> miles per hour, you come up with a top speed of
> about 146.377
> miles per hour.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Great computation - NOW, add it the values for wind
resistance, road friction, etc. (if you know them) and
decide that given a VERY loooooong straight stretch of
road, 130 mph MIGHT be acheived!

Dick Ryan

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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:49:25 -0700
From: "Donald Ekhoff" <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>
Subject: Re: coolant question

David,

You can run pure Antifreeze but you will give up cooling performance.  Water
has a lower flow viscosity, better heat transfer characteristics as well
(and most important) better heat capacity.  What this means is that a given
volume will transfer more total heat.  The DeLorean is somewhat sensitive to
this issue because of the long plumbing runs.  It takes the coolant longer
to make a lap around the system so every lap counts.  Diluting the
Antifreeze to ~50/50 gives the best compromise between heat transfer
characteristics and extended temperature range/ system protection
characteristics.  Best to add distilled water (Reverse Osmosis drinking
water will do in a pinch).

Don Ekhoff


----- Original Message -----
From: <Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: [DML] coolant question


> Hello, Can someone please clarify this for me?
>
>     Will running straight antifreeze through your car cause it to get
hotter?



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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:48:37 -0000
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com
Subject: Re: Spares

Walt,
If you read my post you would have read: "A set of screw drivers 
(philips and flat head) and an emergency repair belt. The belt is a 
straight piece of belt with an adjustable clamp on it. Perfect for if 
the belt to your alternator/water pump snaps. Just wrap the belt 
around the pulley, tension it up with the bracket and tighten it. No 
need to loosen the alternator and moving it to get the new on on." 

I said you don't need to carry the full size permanent belts....just 
the emergency one which will take up less space and will be quicker 
to put on for a road side emergency. You won't have to loosen all the 
alternator bolts to get it on.

Steve

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> Steve said,
> 
> >....you don't need to carry spare belts,
> 
> I disagree about the belts.
> 
> Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:58:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Frank <theamdman_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: DELOREAN FOR SALE

To all:

     If you know anyone who would be interested in a
1982 Delorean with 65,000 Miles on it please give me a
call at 502-329-8956 we are selling it for $18,000 but
that is VERY negotiable.  We would like to get the car
sold as soon as possible so please let me know.  We
are located in Prospect Kentucky.  

Remember that is a Very negotiable price.

Thanks,
Frank

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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:44:44 -0000
From: "David Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: Re: Chat

There is a link to Steve's site at the main www.dmcnews.com page so 
you don't have to remember this URL.  

If someone (Les?) wants to establish a set time to meet/chat feel 
free to post it here. It was set up before but people seemed to lose 
interest. 

BTW - the Houston chat facility on yahoogroups is always open as 
well, whether or not Steven/James are online. Probably about time for 
him to set up one of the sessions, but I'd guess they're a **little** 
busy setting up for the event in a few weeks (and moving!).

Dave

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., srubano_at_dml_o... wrote:
> As for the chat room....everyone is welcome to use the one on my 
> site. http://www.dmcman.homestead.com/Chat.html It's up 24/7 and 
> requires no programs to run. You just need Java enabled on your 
> webbrowser.
> 
> Steve
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> <SNIP> 
> > Too bad we don't have a chat room to bat this stuff around, 
> <SNIP>




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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 10:44:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Pike <iqintermedia_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Cold start valve question (it works)

Yes it does... I do not have the problem anymore.

I am going to send DMCJoe some money just for the
advice because he saved me a lot of cussing in getting
a fuel accumulator.

Mike

--- badgeman46_at_dml_hotmail.com wrote:
>      Just for kicks, I tried disconnecting the cold
> start valve. It 
> does indeed work for hot starting!
> -Jay
> 



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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 10:49:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Pike <iqintermedia_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Me Too: Cold start valve question

For the record.. DMCjoe told me of this fix, and said
if it works, then my accumulator isn't the problem if
I remember right...

he gave me a tech explanation of what is wrong if the
blue plug disconnection worked, but to be honest, I
was too excited to have it start to remember.

I have DMCJoe on my speed dial on my Cell phone
because no matter where I am, if something goes wrong
I can call him and he always is there to help... after
the many calls I make, he's always more than happy to
help, and always has invaluable answers... he saved me
from pushing my car back to work that day.

He might consider having a subscription service for 20
bux a month or something and offer 24 hour road-call
support :)

Mike



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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:06:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Pike <iqintermedia_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MP3 player

I too have a CD burner, and an MP3 player.... MP3
players are nice (the kind that read the MP3's off the
CD) because you can fit 10 hours of music on a
disk.... no more flipping CD's because a ton of songs
fit on a CD and you can listen to them all as MP3's...

If encoded at the correct rate (128K or above), from a
digital source, you cant tell an MP3 from a real CD...

Personally, even though the Craig deck is a POS in my
opinion, and the Delorean stock system sounds like
crap for such a nice car, I am keeping mine original..
so I went and purchased an Emerson MP3 portable CD
player from Walmart (79 bux at walmart - only one they
had was emerson, i dont like that brand, but hey, its
cheap and I could take it back if I didnt like it),
anyhow, I got that, and one of those deals that you
plug a wire into the headphone jack and it turns it
into a tape.. then you stick the tape in the deck, so
now I can listen to MP3's or CD's in my D with the
stock deck.... quality isnt a big thing for me in that
car, because I like the deep rumble coming from the
engine behind me, but the music helps a little.... I
also tend to not listen to music loud in the D anyhow
so I can hear if anything goes wrong, or a rock chips
the car.

Mike

--- Jan van de Wouw <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl> wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I've read of people wanting to install an MP3-player
> in their car many times and
> of several sets to do so.



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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:24:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Pike <iqintermedia_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Delorean Dribblets

After driving my D more often, last night I went to
take the black carpets out of the trunk to go get them
washed, and noticed under the rear of the car (the
engine), a few oil dripplets...

I've had the car since Feb and it has never leaked...
now there are about 3 drops or so under it... nothing
major....

Is this normal, or should I check something?  Maybe
something came loose?

The good thing is the oil is as clean as can be, so
atleast it doesnt seem to be burning it.

Also, HOW do I get to the raditor in the front?

I get a few dribblets up there too, and wanted to
check the hose per the list, and I will be darned if I
can find a way to look at it... it's all sealed.

Mike


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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 15:00:37 -0700
From: "Jason" <rowejj_at_dml_netusa1.net>
Subject: No Cold Idle

    Hello all, 
 
               I've got something that needs attention. When I first start my car for the day it will
not stay running while it's trying to idle. It's fine once it warms up a little. What should I take
a look at? I thought about the cold start valve but I wasn't sure if it just helped at startup or it 
was supposed to stay on until the car was warm. Any ideas would be appreciated. 

                         Thanks in advance..................Jason VIN # 5903


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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:21:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Pike <iqintermedia_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: My Delorean winks at me

My D is garage kept... occasionally it may sit outside
for a few hours if I take it to work or something, but
it's always covered...

While washing it, I noticed something... above the
headlights its beginning to warp, or raise, on both
side, looking like it's winking, or raising eyebrowse
at me....

Not real noticeable right now - but it is to me... I
noticed this REAL bad on the Delorean at Universal
Studios Florida, but figured it was because it's been
in the same spot for atleast 8 years without moving..
in 100 degree Florida sun...mine is garage kept....
anyway to stop this?

I am assuming it will have to be replaced to get one
in good shape, I dont think you can mold them back....
plus I dont know if you can even buy the front fascia,
and if so, I bet it's expensive.

Mike


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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:44:43 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: coolant question

David, Try turning the air off and find out if it's the water temp. side of 
the system or the air condition. Once you have determined if it's water or 
air side of the system, then go from there. The thermostat my be sticking and 
not allowing the water to flow properly or the radiator may me clogged up a 
little. Make sure all the bugs are also out of the air flow system. Let me 
know.
John
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 20:52:28 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: Car will not start ... why ...

Refer to D:04:06 in the workshop manual. The things you should check 
are #31 is a good ground, fuse #1 is good and there is power at #15 on 
run-start (G), fuse #7 is good and there is power to #30 (N) _at_dml_ all 
times. It could just be that one of the connecters at the relay block 
is not making contact because it slid back. Do not leave the bypass in 
 (except for troubleshooting) as you are eliminating a safety control.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Nick Kemp" <nkemp_at_dml_p...> wrote:
> I just replaced the RPM relay thinking the old one went bad and the 
car
> still wont start.  The fuel pump does not rev up as per normal when 
the key
> is turned.  I tried the RPM relay bypass and it causes the pump to 
rum.  I
> even forced the old RPM relay contact closed and the pump runs.
> 
> What are the next things to check for that are keeping the RPM relay 
from
> activating?
> 
> Nick Kemp




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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 13:59:50 -0700
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Spares

Hi Hank,  I think there's enough interest, just needs a prime mover.  I know about
DMC Houston's, it's sitting there with no use except when Stephen sets a
date/time.  I asked about using it because it was there and ready, James said they
were planning some sort of special chat room, hasn't happened yet, hence my note at
the bottom of the posting.  On one of the DeLorean owner pages there is or was a
chat room, schedule was for something like 8:00 on Fridays, I tried it a couple of
times but was all alone.

Henry Breer wrote:

> Les,
>
> "Chat" is an option available to any egroups site.  It is currently disabled on
> the DMCNews site. Possibly if there is enough group interest, the moderators
> would turn on that feature.
>
> The chat option is already turned on on DMC Houston's site
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/usadmc
>
> Hank Breer
>



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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:01:03 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: Spares

I take the theory that at least have the most likely parts that may 
fail and not take a whole toolbox. If you get stuck most places will 
have some tools but they will never have any spare parts for you 
except maybe a fuse! A test light is VERY important as is a service 
manual. As good as anyone can be with the Delorean I don't think 
ANYONE has committed the wiring diaghram to memory with all of the 
wire colors! I have found that if the car gets running and then has a 
problem on the road many times the problem is electrical (assuming 
that the car is reasonably maintained and not abused or neglected). 
One of the clubs also in the past handed out tech tips for emergency 
repairs, that would be useful too.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757




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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:07:07 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Car will not start ... why ...

Nick, Most of the time the RPM relay only needs the contacts cleaned. It 
normally gets a bad rap but isn't the problem. Be sure to check the intertia 
switch and make sure the plunger is down. Also make sure the connector and 
connections are good and tight. Thats what's grounds the switch. Then after 
you get the pump running, does the car start. If the pump still doesn't run, 
make sure you have a good fuse and tight connections on #7. If it still 
doesn't run, then the pulse coil in the distributor could be the problem, 
that is what turns the RPM relay on to run the pump.
John Hervey
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:08:08 -0500
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: coolant question

The car will run hotter because antifreeze is not as
efficient at removing heat from the engine and giving
it up at the radiator.  You really should drain the
system and refill it with the proper mixture.

For maximum heat transfer, you should use straight
water with some water wetter.  Water wetter reduces
the surface tension of the water, which improves
it's heat transfer characteristics.  Do not add water
wetter to an antifreeze mix.  It won't help and may
reduce the effectiveness of the antifreeze in cold
temperatures.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com]
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 10:58 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] coolant question


Hello, Can someone please clarify this for me?

    Will running straight antifreeze through your car cause it to get
hotter?
 Last week I had a coolant leak and lost nearly all of it.  I didn't have
any
water so I fixed the leak and put in straight antifreeze.(almost 2 gallons
if
I remember correctly)  I have left it this way because a friend said it
doesn't matter at all, mixing it just saves money.  Is this right?




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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:11:32 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: front brake calipers

The bleeder screws seize up because they aren't often used as in 
bleeding the brakes, and the rubber boot that keeps water out is 
missing or torn. If you are concerned about breaking off the bleeder 
screw or stripping the threads then remove them, clean and apply 
never-seize or a little grease, and bleed the brakes. When done 
replace if needed the rubber boots because when water gets in and the 
brake calipers get hot they will get stuck eventually. If the threads 
in the calipers do get stripped a good machine shop can repair them 
and for a lot less than replacing them. I know White Post can 
reesleeve them so I guess they can also repair a stripped bleeder 
screw hole. 
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., CBL302_at_dml_m... wrote:
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., orentha_at_dml_h... wrote:
> > I had my front brake calipers and master cylinder replaced last 
> > summer. 
> > So I took it in and had the brakes tested.  And the bleeder screws 
> in the front calipers are completely stripped out.
> 
> 
> 
> Just a little helpful Tip.....
> 
> If you do your own front end Lube,take a couple of seconds,and DAB a 
> little of that front end grease around the Bleeder screws,for the 
> disk brakes,it keeps them from seizing up,  and avoids having the 
> above problem,a little grease goes a long way.
> 
> Claude
> 000570




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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 19:03:56 -0400
From: "Patrick Cowan" <LilRedCivic_at_dml_cox.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Radio recommendations?

Buy Alpine...Just my 2 cents...

Patrick
LilRedCivic_at_dml_cox.rr.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Singer" <jsinger_at_dml_i-c.net>
Subject: [DML] Radio recommendations?

> I am tired of the one bad product that is in my D, the radio.  Can anyone
> recommend either on or off of the list which radio they switched to.



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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 19:14:02 -0700
From: "B Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Another DeLorean on E!

Only problem is 5th is overdriven, less than a 1:1 ratio and the 130HP just
can't get to 5500 in 5th.

Bruce Benson



> Well, if you take what DMC Joe said the rev limit on the PRV6 was,
> 5500 rpm, divide it by the gear ratio in 5th, .8205, divide by the
> final drive ratio of 3.44, multiply by the rear tire circumference of
> approximately 79.325 inches, divide by 12 to get inches per minute,
> divide by 5,280 to get miles per minute and multiply by 60 to get
> miles per hour, you come up with a top speed of about 146.377
> miles per hour.
>
> John Yeoman





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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 18:44:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>
Subject: Towing

And this time I'm not talking about an alternate method of getting your
car home. :)

Even before I owned my DeLorean I couldn't help but think of how cool a
DeLorean towing an Airstream would look. I've seen pictures of the
DeLorean trailer and of the DeLorean tow truck, so it seems that the
DeLorean is capable of towing.

Does anyone know how much weight a DeLorean can pull? What about the
trailer hitch, how is this attached?

-Christian




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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 22:27:34 +0200
From: "Cameron Putsch" <putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu>
Subject: triailing arm bolts?

I have had my Delorean for all of 5 days now and have learned that there is a posibility of the trailing arm bolts (where they meet the chassis) sheering causing the unthinkable. Anyway what is the story on this how often does it happen, whos cars, how many miles, under rough driving??? Where do I get better bolts, how much are they, and how imposible are they gonna be to install with out a lift( I do however have good air tools)????

A very worried Casey


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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:31:52 -0400
From: "ensfield" <ensfield_at_dml_chartermi.net>
Subject: A/C drain tube

  Anyone  have experience replacing the A?C drain tube?  Do you have to drop the fuel tank?

                     Thanks,
                     Bob


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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 05:41:36 -0000
From: georad_at_dml_ibm.net
Subject: New DMC Owner

Hello group,
Well it took 20 years, but I'm finally the owner of a De Lorean.
Bought #2196, a black automatic in pretty good shape.  It does run,
but I'd like to go through it before I start driving it.  I can 
thank the internet for helping me decide to buy, did not know the
community and parts availability were as large as they are.  
I now have 18000+ posts to catch up on, talk more later.

George R. Radomski
Any other Las Vegas De Lorean owners out there?




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Message: 25
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:33:26 +1000
From: "evan" <autotec_at_dml_ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Rhd steering rack

Hi guys, just wondering if you can help with a source for a RHD steering rack for a DeLorean. I'm converting mine from left to right hand drive & I can't find a rack locally to do the job. Any help to source an original would be appreciated.
regards Evan, vin 2672


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