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To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [DML] Digest Number 632
Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 6:18 AM

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There are 21 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. My question re-stated
From: johndmc57_at_dml_yahoo.com

2. Chat Sites
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

3. Re: No Cold Idle
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

4. Re: Hot start
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

5. Re: Hot Start Relay Fix
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

6. RE: JZD
From: "JDL" <jdl_at_dml_interax.com>

7. Re: Rhd steering rack
From: "Donald Ekhoff" <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>

8. Re: Rhd steering rack
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

9. Re: coolant question
From: "Donald Ekhoff" <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>

10. Re: Take two D's - call me in the morning
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

11. Fresh air at feet...
From: nickbrom_at_dml_aol.com

12. Fender repair
From: nickbrom_at_dml_aol.com

13. Re: Stickers
From: "Jake" <jkampho_at_dml_siue.edu>

14. DeLorean Car Show
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

15. RE: Re: Spares
From: "Buckner, William" <William.Buckner_at_dml_pfizer.com>

16. lights
From: "Ryan Foster" <westiething_at_dml_hotmail.com>

17. spares
From: "marvin" <marv_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com>

18. Re: My question re-stated
From: Henry Breer <hbreer_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>

19. Re: lights
From: theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com

20. Re: Rhd steering rack
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>

21. Keys
From: Ed Garbade <garbadee_at_dml_bigfoot.com>





Message: 1
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 14:10:59 -0000
From: johndmc57_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: My question re-stated

Thats for the responses but I must not have been clear in what I was 
asking. I was asking what that thing is on the console to the right 
of the light dimmer. There is a plug and a little square grill. It 
appears to be a factory item. Thanks.

[MODERATOR NOTE: As I understand it, this question was answered.  On my early 81 car, to the right of the dimmer is a digital clock, about 2" x 3" rectangular.  This clock was not put in later DeLoreans, leaving a raised rectangle molded into the console.  Perhaps somone either removed your clock or cut out the rectangle?]



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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:55:06 -0700
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Chat Sites

Yes, I know about Steve's site and also DMC Houston's.  I thought it
proper to ask before accessing DMC Houston's site although I know it's
up and running.  James Espey did not give me permission, rather he
stated that Stephen Wynne was planning something along those lines...I
did not pursue it.

However, if there are no chatters the site selection not to chat in
isn't all that important is it!




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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:59:55 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: No Cold Idle

Jason, Providing you don't have any vaccum leaks and the three idle mixture 
screws are all the way down. Also make sure the Idle speed switch is making 
contact to turn on the Idle speed motor and ECU unit. If all that seems to be 
ok, the the Air flow meter may need a little tweeking. You can see info on 
web site info below.
John Hervey
http://www.specialtauto.com/images/haynes3kjet.jpg



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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 00:05:01 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Hot start

Paul, Would not stop it from running or starting, but would hinder it from 
enrichment when needed at full throttle. Try adjusting your air flow meter 
1/4 turn either direction. That should start the car. It's adjusted to lean 
more than likley.
John Hervey  
http://www.specialtauto.com/images/haynes3kjet.jpg



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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 00:21:10 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Hot Start Relay Fix

Gus, There you are, I have learned, that more than 2/3 of the people may not 
feel comfortable in doing wiring and don't have the proper tools. Thus I try 
to make everything Plug and Play. Sometines it can't be done but that is why 
it isn't on the web site. If people don't mind pulling wires or splicing 
wires,soldering,crimping, then there is a lot that could be done. It's a 
challenge to me and others to keep it as simple yet effective as possible.
John 



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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 00:36:35 -0400
From: "JDL" <jdl_at_dml_interax.com>
Subject: RE: JZD

Joe:

Mr. DeLorean is a private citizen and he generally prefers to focus on the
enterprises and projects he is involved with now.  I, and I believe Ken,
James and a few others can get in touch or are in touch with Mr. DeLorean
and last I heard he is doing fine...

David Levey
jdl_at_dml_interax.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Fedeli [mailto:fedeli_at_dml_excite.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 1:38 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] JZD

Apparently, JZD is maintaining a secluded location due to his financial
troubles as no one on this list can provide his location (email or snail
mail POC...or even JZD's 'PMB mailing' location to protect his privacy which
is understandable) to obtain an autograph...or at least no one is sharing
this information publically or privately who does know.  Makes you wonder...

Joe





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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:38:03 -0700
From: "Donald Ekhoff" <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>
Subject: Re: Rhd steering rack

I too would like to do a conversion.  Some day I intend to live in a country
that drives on the other side and has "round-a-bouts". What about the dash
and other misc. pieces?

Donald L. Ekhoff


----- Original Message -----
From: "ian" <ian_at_dml_netvigator.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [DML] Rhd steering rack


> Hi Evan,
>
> I have the same problem/need myself. My HongKong DeLorean had been
> converted using a series of dodgie looking knuckle joints, etc ... 

[moderator snip]

>
> > Hi guys, just wondering if you can help with a source for a RHD steering
> rack for a DeLorean.
>
>  Evan, vin 2672

[moderator snip]



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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 05:40:19 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: Rhd steering rack

DMC Houston's website states in their FAQ that while the no longer 
perform any RHD conversions, they might be able to put you in touch 
with local shops that can perform the task. Perhaps they may also 
know a source for the RHD steering racks?

-Robert
vin 6585



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "ian" <ian_at_dml_n...> wrote:
> Hi Evan,
> 
> I have the same problem/need myself. My HongKong DeLorean had been 
converted
> using a series of dodgie looking knuckle joints, etc ... a set-up I 
wouldn't
> feel comfortable driving with. Now that she is to be 100% 
resurected I'm
> looking for the same info as you.
<SNIP>




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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:48:53 -0700
From: "Donald Ekhoff" <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>
Subject: Re: coolant question

Mike
The bottle is correct.  The more water the better the cooling (but the less
corrosion protection and lubrication for the water pump).  If you run 50/50
and then have to add some water while on the road you are still in good
shape because you will only be diluting it down to the (?) 70/30 range.
Having the ability to dilute safely is like carrying spare Antifreeze with
you at all times.  Nice to know when you are out on the road.
Don


----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Pike" <iqintermedia_at_dml_yahoo.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] coolant question


> This sounds good, but if you look on the antifreeze
> bottle, the more water you put in it, (they have a
> chart), 50/50 offers less protection than 70/30 (a
> significant amount less), so I would think pure would
> give the best protection.
>
> mike
>
> --- Donald Ekhoff <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net> wrote:
> > David,
> >
> > You can run pure Antifreeze but you will give up
> > cooling performance. 

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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:59:48 -0400
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Take two D's - call me in the morning


Nice story... I was waiting for the line "I thought all your letters were
fake, and I never thought it would happen to me - but then...".

> I wonder if JZD still has one....

I asked him this exact question at Cleveland last year, and the answer was
no.  I asked "Why not?".  He replied "I'd rather have one of the new cars."
(referring to the new cars he is attempting to build).  I later asked his
daughter the same question, and she said that he does eventually want to get
one back, and they are just waiting until the "right one" comes along.  You
would think for a man that poured a the majority of his life into this car
that he would own at least one, but I suppose they took it all away with the
bankruptcy,

-Hank #1619





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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 08:00:42 -0000
From: nickbrom_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Fresh air at feet...

I saw a post on this a few months ago, but can't find it in the 
archives:

During the summer, hot air rushes in by my feet. In the winter, it is 
cold air. What is not functioning properly?

ALSO!!:

Without the AC on, just the vents, I hear something (like a flap of 
some sort) flapping at speeds over 60mph. Are the two above items 
related?

And, (one more thing, while I'm at it) when I turn on the AC, I hear 
a fan squealing for about the first 15 seconds it is on...seems 
predominately on the passenger side. Is the a belt? A bearing in the 
fan? It is hard to figure out where exactly it is coming from, since 
the noise resonates through the ductwork to the passenger side AC!

Nick
3092




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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 08:03:03 -0000
From: nickbrom_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Fender repair

Since I've had my D, there has always been a crease around the 
wheelwell where someone in a parking lot snagged it.

What does is the price range involved to have the folks at the 
Delorean suppliers repair it? And how does one ship an item such as a 
passenger side rear quarter panel?

Nick
3092




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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 01:02:26 -0500
From: "Jake" <jkampho_at_dml_siue.edu>
Subject: Re: Stickers

Jason,

These are available on Luke Sandel's website.  Here's a direct link:

http://labwww.csv.cmich.edu/luke/auto/delorean/labels/

I recommend looking at the rest of the site.  I could spend hours reading
it.  Great site.


Jake



----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason" <rowejj_at_dml_netusa1.net>
To: "DeLorean News" <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 5:14 PM
Subject: [DML] Stickers


<snip>Isn't there a website that you can download copies of the stickers
that go <snip>





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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 07:03:04 EDT
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: DeLorean Car Show

As you know the Heartbreak Hotel has sold out.

I have been able to obtain an alternative hotel for the event and while I 
have quite a few roms when these are gone the event itself will be sold out.

Your interest has been overwhelming and this has allowed me to make the 
following addition:

The arrangements are being made and this is subject to change but it appears 
that for those people not able to make the Ireland trip we will be able to 
bring a bit of Ireland to you.

George Crane, the former DeLorean employee that delivered the powerful and 
emotional tours at the factory this summer at Eurofest, will be coming to the 
show.  He will be bringing with him some of the literature and information 
from the plant including fax's from JZD to Ireland during the time the plant 
was open.
  
His love for the car and JZD will make this an event you will not want to 
miss.
At the show he will be seeing John DeLorean for the first time since the 
factory closed.

I am working on some special plant video and hope to make that part of the 
event 
but that will come later I hope.

I will be posting pictures on the web in the future of George Crane at the 
Ireland event.

My thanks to Gary for updating the web page to reflect the Radisson Hotel in 
Memphis as our alternate Hotel and my thanks to the Radisson for giving me 
the block of rooms I requested.

Hotel rooms still available at 1-800-333-3333 and you must state you are with 
the Delorean Car show to get the special rate.
<A HREF="http://deloreancarshow.com">Deloreancarshow.com</A>

Ken



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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:13:06 -0400
From: "Buckner, William" <William.Buckner_at_dml_pfizer.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Spares

I had the original vacuum hose air removal system on my Delorean last year.
The hose got old, broke off, wrapped itself in the belt for the water pump,
created a overheat condition, bubbled over the overflow bottle.  I smelled
the antifreeze suspecting the car in front of me, then realizing there was
none, checked my gauges and looked at the steam in the rearview mirror, and
pulled over.  I have my own trailer, so I then called the wife and she and I
towed it home.  A belt would have been nice.  I purchased the overheat kit
with the hose hooking up to the heater hose and installed it and have been
extremely pleased with the reduced temperature since.  Not overheated since.
No fanzilla or any of that stuff.  Do later vin's not have some of the
problems everyone allways talks about?  My fans seem fine.  Sorry I'm
rambling, but the moral of the story is, have a cell phone close by with a
wife and trailer and there are no worrys.  

Vin #11268



Bill Buckner

Instrumentation Supervisor
Electrical and Instrument Dept.
Pfizer, Inc.
Global Manufacturing
Holland, MI Facility
   %   Phone:  616-392-2375  x-2449
 *   Fax:      616-392-8267
     *  Email:    william.buckner_at_dml_pfizer.com




-----Original Message-----
From: Walter [mailto:Whalt_at_dml_att.net]
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 9:08 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Re: Spares


Steve said,

>....you
>don't need to carry spare belts,

[moderator snip]



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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:16:20
From: "Ryan Foster" <westiething_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: lights

Hi list,
I have three questions:
1. At what point does the low fuel light come on?
2. Is the Rear defrose light suppose to come on when you turn on the 
defroster?
3. When is the cooling fan fail light suppose to come on? When they fail?

Thanks,

                         Ryan- vin.#16301

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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:25:17 -0400
From: "marvin" <marv_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com>
Subject: spares

Where is the imagination? If you have problems, obviously you need a beautiful woman, a bottle of decent bubbly, 2 glasses, and eventually someone will come by who knows more about the systems and will fix it. It's not the end of the world! So you have to wait a while. 

By the way, while in Michigan this past weekend with mine, and seeing 2 car shows, I spotted an automatic Delorean for sale in Port Huron, Michigan, at a used car dealer - 1981 with hood creases no gas flap, needs loving but has potential, asking $18,000. told it runs well. He commented that my car was too nice to sit next to his it for the evening cruise drive by (about 1000 cars), so I didn't offer him any comment about fixing the detached rear door extension or how bad it looks with the relay / fuse board lying on the rear ledge.
Marvin Stein
#4239

tel: 519 - 434 - 1666
fax: 519 - 434 - 7071
email: marv_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com
web: printeddrinkware.com
Printed Drinkware Company
924 Dundas Street
London, Ontario, Canada N5W 3A1


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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:10:41 -0700
From: Henry Breer <hbreer_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: My question re-stated

List,

From 100 feet away, all our cars appear to be identical (unless painted).  But there were so many production changes that it is often difficult to even guess what a problem is with out the VIN number of the car.  For example, most know that there are 3 different hoods, but not many know that there are 3, not 2, different
radios and 2 different rear louvers. Etc., etc., etc.

So please include your VIN number when you ask a question.

Hank Breer

johndmc57_at_dml_yahoo.com wrote:

> Thats for the responses but I must not have been clear in what I was
> asking.
> <snip>




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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:59:11 -0000
From: theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Re: lights

Ryan, the fuel light comes on when the float in the fuel sender
reaches the bottom of the tank.  The rear defroster light will come
one when the rear defroster, whichis controlled by the middle
rocker switch in the center console (between the two window
switches), is switched on.  The rear defroster is controlled
independently of the front one.  Judging by your vin of 16301, you
shouldn't have the blue fan fail module. If you still have the
original factory installed fan fail bypass, the fan fail light will
never come on. If you have installed a fanzilla, the fan fail light
will come on when one of the fan fuses (located in the fanzilla)
blows.

John Yeoman 

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Ryan Foster" <westiething_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> Hi list,
> I have three questions:
> 1. At what point does the low fuel light come on?
> 2. Is the Rear defrose light suppose to come on when you turn on
the 
> defroster?
> 3. When is the cooling fan fail light suppose to come on? When they
fail?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>                          Ryan- vin.#16301
> 
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:06:55 +0100
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
Subject: Re: Rhd steering rack

Dave Howarth is still working on it, he has ONE new old stock RHD steering
rack, but is not willing to let it leave his premises (understandably) but
anyone is free to inspect it, measure it etc to try and find its "brother",
we are sure it is a "standard rack"..just not sure off what!

Chris P DOC UK

----- Original Message -----
From: "ian" <ian_at_dml_netvigator.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Rhd steering rack


> Hi Evan,
>
> I have the same problem/need myself. My HongKong DeLorean had been
> converted using a series of dodgie looking knuckle joints, etc ...

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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:27:39 -0400
From: Ed Garbade <garbadee_at_dml_bigfoot.com>
Subject: Keys

I occasionally see posts about spare keys.  For all it is worth, I received
my car with one key (from a Volvo blank).  Tried several places to get a
spare and finally ended up at a Lowes building supply store (closest
locksmith did not have convenient hours or location).

They did not have an exact match for my key; however, it appears their Axxess
+ System will copy a key using  blank number 37.  The only ketch is it does
not cut the key far enough back to allow the key to be fully inserted into
the door or ignition.

I took my handy dremil tool (being safe to avoid shavings/grit in the eyes,
etc...) with a grinding stone and trimmed off the extra 1/8" on the top and
bottom of the key and it seems to work fine.  I plan on making a couple more
inexpensive spares this way and once I am confident they all work I will send
my "non-original" key off to Houston for a real copy.  It may cost more but
some things are worth the price (this cheap key just doesn't do my brass DMC
keyring justice).

I'm using the key today so anyone care to pass me their phone number in case
I get locked out and need a ride home?  :-)

Ed
VIN # 10541
garbadee_at_dml_bigfoot.com
1982

BTW, enjoyed the meet at Biltmore.  Thanks for the pointers and war stories.






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