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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 636
Date: Friday, July 20, 2001 4:41 AM

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There are 12 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Euro 2001

2. Re: Keys

3. Re: Speaker Wiring.

4. Re: Speaker Wiring.

5. stripping frame
From: "Ralf Philipp" <>

6. Re: Finding Light Bulbs
From: "Ryan Foster" <>

7. Important Message Regarding DMC's Open House!
From: James Espey <>

8. A/C belt tensioner
From: "Jerry Harry" <>

9. Re: Speaker Wiring.
From: "Jan van de Wouw" <>

10. Re: New DMC Owner

11. Question re Frame,
From: "Liam Cummins" <>

12. Re: A/C belt tensioner

Message: 1
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:00:35 EDT
Subject: Euro 2001

This is just an early reminder to the list that the Euro 2001 show at the BMW 
plant in Greer, South Carolina is coming up soon.  The show will be held on 
October 20; there will be other activities on October 19 and 21 as well.  

I have contacted the chairman of the event about the possibility of making 
the DeLorean the featured marque at next year's show.  I haven't heard back 
from him yet, but I feel certain we'll need to have a lot of DeLoreans there 
this year to make them consider giving us that honor.  Last year we had 5 

For more information on the show, check out their web site at:

You can email them at:

Or call them at 864-814-1078

I'll keep the list posted on what the chairman says about us being next 
year's featured marque.  Circle October 20, and make plans now to attend!

VIN 1597


Message: 2
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:05:15 -0000
Subject: Re: Keys

I know that there is a lot of info in the archives about key blanks 
but I am posting this since I have not seen anyone mention this 
brand. I had a key made with a "Cole VL5" key blank. The key blank is 
from a VW ignition. Every locksmith carries different brands of key 
blanks so it's good to know everybrand there is that can be used for 
the Delorean. The locksmith I went too didn't carry the Ilco one but 
did have the Cole brand.


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Jan van de Wouw <Jan_at_dml_v...> wrote:
> > > I occasionally see posts about spare keys.
> [snip]
> > Walmart Auto Key Blank 51 works for single key D's.
> I have a single key DeLorean (#05141), when I was in need of a a 
new key (only
> had two worn copies) I searched the archives... I wound up with a 
> containing 14 (!) different possibilities from different places an 


Message: 3
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:19:49 -0000
Subject: Re: Speaker Wiring.

Robert, if you pull the carpet flap covering the battery compartment
up a little farther, you should be able to see the wire for the
passenger side rear speaker, from there, it goes left toward the rear
quarter trim panel & then to the speaker.  It also goes right, to the
center console.  The wire then travels down the inside of the
console until it reaches the area behind the radio.  The route of the
wire for the driver's side speaker is just a mirror image of the route
of the passenger side speaker wire.

John Yeoman

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:10:29 -0000
Subject: Re: Speaker Wiring.

The wires are routed under the center console towards the back shelf. 
From there they are then routed to their respective sides (R+L) and 
are roted ubder the side trim (where the seat belts come out of and 
where the speakers are) and connected to the speakers. In all 
likeleyness they cut the wire under the rear shelfs. The speaker 
wires are dual black wires with one side having a white strip. Hope 
this helps.


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., DMCVegas_at_dml_l... wrote:
> Quick question: Can anyone tell me where/how the wire for the rear 
> speakers is routed? 

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> -Robert
> vin 6585


Message: 5
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 01:55:01 +0200
From: "Ralf Philipp" <>
Subject: stripping frame


Could you describe how exactly your frame was redone? Powder coated on the
outside, but what did you do on the inside? Sealing wax?


>   Ralf,
>    Very interesting. I did basically the same as you, I've got a complete
> bare frame which has just finished completely being redone. This frame was
> chemically dipped and stripped of all the original epoxy and has now been
> powder coated. I guess that means the original frames have about 14 lbs of
> epoxy coating on them ???

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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:25:48
From: "Ryan Foster" <>
Subject: Re: Finding Light Bulbs

Hey every one,
The bulb that came out of the A/C panel is a "philips" part# 12829.
I tried to contact them and haven't herd from them.

                         Ryan- vin.#16301


Message: 7
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:18:40 -0600
From: James Espey <>
Subject: Important Message Regarding DMC's Open House!

12 July 2001

Everyone who has registered for the De Lorean Motor Company Open House event
was sent this email earlier today, this message is to inform the rest of the
DeLorean community and those who may yet still be considering attending the

Much to our dismay, construction delays as a result of Tropical Storm
Allison this past June have made it impossible to complete our new
headquarters and warehouse in time for the event.

We are very disappointed, as you might imagine. Since this fact became known
to us yesterday, we have wrestled with the "go/no-go" decision on the event.
All of the registered attendees have made some arrangements to attend (time
off work, airlines reservations, etc). The fact that the DeLorean Owners
Association is not having an expo in the U.S. this year also weighed on our
minds. For many DeLorean owners and enthusiasts, our event was the one event
that they had planned to go to all year long.

It is for those reasons that we have decided to carry on with the event.
While we will not have the warehouse completed, or all the parts moved to
Houston, we will still be having the concours and People's Choice show (over
a dozen cars are already registered for these two events), we will still
have the rally, the test drives of the cars equipped with our new engine and
suspension package, and more.

If you desire not to attend, we understand and will refund your registration
fee promptly, just call or email us and let us know. If you choose to
attend, we promise to do everything that we can to make it an enjoyable and
memorable event.

If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me personally
via email or telephone at the numbers below.

Kind regards,

Stephen Wynne



Message: 8
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:34:00 -0500
From: "Jerry Harry" <>
Subject: A/C belt tensioner

Hello List;

The bottom mounting bolt hole, that goes into the timing chain cover, and mounts the A/C belt tensioner assembly has been BADLY stripped out, oversized and made completely un-useable.  Has any one used a different belt tenioner assemble on the D.  The proper fix is to replace the chain cover.  The cover is thin at this bolt hole and I'm sure others have stripped this bolt.
(Maybe not as badly destroyed as this one)  There have been so many good fixes on this list I guess I am just hoping for one more.
vin 4890  

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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:13:33 -0000
From: "Jan van de Wouw" <>
Subject: Re: Speaker Wiring.

--- In dmcnews, DMCVegas wrote:
> Quick question: Can anyone tell me where/how the wire for the rear 
> speakers is routed?

If memory serers me right both left and richt leads are under the
center console. They are pairs, mine were black with a white stripe 
for identifying the positive lead.

>  the shop disconnected my rear  speakers. 

If they did, they probably just disconnected the wires behind the
radio, that's the easiest area to do so. 
The original wires are probably still in there...

> Before they were disconnected, the rears sounded fine. I'm 
> just looking to splice into the wires to reconnect the speakers

Remember that the maximum uotput of the original radios was 
only 4x 15Watt; most modern stereos will output more, 
so you  risk overloading the original speakers...
Also, by splicing the originals parralel to the new ones you 
reduce the impedance of the circuit, so by doing so you  risk 
overloading your radios' amp. If you really want thoise speakers 
connected, I'd advise to put in a small extra amp (there's enough 
space in the console, in front of the mode switch and such), 
connect it to the pre-out on the new stereo (you do have one, 
don't you???) and set up the amp in such a way that at 
maximum volume at the head unit, the speakers are not overloaded.

It IS a lot of work, but IMHO safest for both stereo and speakers.
You're probably better off redoing the rear speakers right away...
I have a couple of speakers in my rear wall too, probably they're
further apart  than yours; I haven't got a "dead spot"...
There are some pictures in the files area under 
"Aftermarket stereo in #05141". 
The speakers are just behind the seats, 
in the middle of the head rests.

Good luck,

JAN van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

check out the Delorean-Files at:


Message: 10
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:17:24 -0000
Subject: Re: New DMC Owner

Condgradulations on your new car! Believe me, you are far from being 
the only Vegas owner out there!

I hate having to use the list for this, but when I tried to e-mail 
you directly, your mail server returned an error that it's host name 
was not found. Mail me privately off the list if you like, and I can 
fill you in on the local details.

vin 6585

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., georad_at_dml_i... wrote:
> George R. Radomski
> Any other Las Vegas De Lorean owners out there?


Message: 11
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:45:52 -0500
From: "Liam Cummins" <>
Subject: Question re Frame,

Do any of you have recommendation for the installation of a new frame,

Purchase or custom built or can they be still purchased,

I cannot ship to a US shop as I am in Europe and the cost would be to high,



Message: 12
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:16:10 -0000
Subject: Re: A/C belt tensioner

Short of replacing the cover which as you say is the proper fix, you 
should be able, after removing it, to have a good machine shop-welding 
shop to repair. This kind of repair is not too uncommon and a GOOD 
welder and machinist can do a fair job. The question to ask yourself 
is how much and how long as compared to getting another cover. There 
is n short-cut around this that I know of. Be careful the belt doesn't 
cut into the hose going to the water pump! You may not see this easily 
but if you put your fingers on the hose you can feel if it is cutting 
into it. As long as you are in this area replacing the idler bearings 
is a good idea.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Jerry Harry" <jerryHarry_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> Hello List;
> The bottom mounting bolt hole, that goes into the timing chain 
> cover, and mounts the A/C belt tensioner assembly has been BADLY 
> stripped out, oversized and made completely un-useable.

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