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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 668
Date: Sunday, August 12, 2001 9:21 AM

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There are 15 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. AVS Intermediate tires still available for our cars
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com

2. RE: AC problem
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

3. Re: Re: Delorean documents on ebay..
From: "Randy Atamaniuk" <martydmc12_at_dml_hotmail.com>

4. Re: Michelin Pilot Tires(was Last call for Yokos)
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

5. RE: Low profile subs
From: "IN2TIME" <Gary_at_dml_IN2TIME.com>

6. Bare naked door,or door with no skin
From: CBL302_at_dml_msn.com

7. aftermarket auto transmission perhaps?
From: "Aaron King" <floodle_at_dml_subdimension.com>

8. Engine starting procedure - some humor!
From: TeacupFox_at_dml_aol.com

9. Re: Subs in back wall (was: Low profile subs)
From: Jan van de Wouw <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>

10. seat back falling apart
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

11. Re: Subs in back wall (was: Low profile subs)
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

12. Re: AVS Intermediate tires still available for our cars
From: Peter Lucas <lucas_at_dml_imap.maya.com>

13. Re: seat back falling apart
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

14. Re: Re: Michelin Pilot Tires(was Last call for Yokos)
From: "Donald Ekhoff" <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>

15. Re: aftermarket auto transmission perhaps?
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 22:02:36 EDT
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: AVS Intermediate tires still available for our cars

Hey List,

    After all the talk about the AVS Intermediate tires not being available 
for our cars anymore, I sent a message to Yokohama directly and this is the 
reply I got:

<<<Currently, the AVS Intermediate is still available in the two sizes you 
have
listed.  This tire can be ordered through any authorized Yokohama tire
dealer.  I hope this information has been helpful.  Thank you for contacting
Yokohama Tire Corporation.>>> 

I hope that helps anyone who wants to get these tires for their car.


Later,
Nick
1852
<A HREF="Http://members.aol.com/njp548">Http://members.aol.com/njp548</A>



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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 21:05:00 -0500
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: AC problem

David - you have a plugged up evaporator case drain hose.
Look back about 10 messages to see how to fix it.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com]
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 8:58 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] AC problem


Hi List,
    Last week I had my D's AC system evacuated and recharged with r-12.
Amazingly it blows cold!.  On Wednesday I took the car on a small road trip
up to the UP of Michigan.  It was about 95 degrees (VERY Humid) so the AC
was
on for the majority of the trip up; so about 4 hours.  It stayed very cool
and I had no problems at all.  When I got out and opened the passenger door
I
couldn't believe it.  There was almost 2 inches of water on the passenger
floor.  I took it to the car wash and vacuumed it out.  When I came home I
removed the seat and dried the carpet.
    How can I fix this problem?




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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 20:05:38 -0600
From: "Randy Atamaniuk" <martydmc12_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Delorean documents on ebay..

I did my research on the guy and asked other DMC owners who have dealt with 
him.  He's legit.

Randy


>From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [DML] Re: Delorean documents on ebay..
>Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 08:33:03 EDT
>
>In a message dated 8/9/01 10:07:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net writes:
>
>
> > I'm just curious who or what is profiting from all the items on Ebay 
>that
> > mention " Delorean Motor Company's corporate records and documents that 
>were
> > seized as a result of its 1982 bankruptcy"?  Shouldn't they have been 
>sold
> > as part of the bankruptcy, or at a minimum, returned to JZD?
> >
> >
>
>I just asked "DMCTrustee" a similar question.  His reply, in part:
>
>"I work for the estate, therefore, all of the money that is
>made from selling the corporate records, will go to the dmc
>creditors. We are only permitted to sell the corporate records, I am
>not permitted to, for example make copies of something and sell it,
>it must be sold as is..etc.  You can do whatever you want with
>something that you bought from me."
>
>-Wayne
>DMCTech Group
>11174
>
>
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>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 00:20:38 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Michelin Pilot Tires(was Last call for Yokos)

My new Michelin tires arrived yesterday from tirerack.com.  I haven't
mounted them on the rims yet because I am working on possibly exchanging my
rims for refurbished powder coated rims from a DeLorean vendor.

Despite being shipped basically naked, the tires fared fine on their journey
here tied together in pairs with packing slips taped to the sides.  I really
can't complain.

I got the all black side-wall design.  As I remember, I also had the choice
of raised white lettering (RWL).  The fronts & rears look identical with the
exception of the size specification on the sidewalls (duh!).  The
proportions, graphics & tread all match perfectly front-to-rear.  Unlike the
Yokohomas, the Michelins are not side specific.

The invoice looked something like this:
P235/60HR15 Pilot XGT H4 $106.00 each
P195/60HR14 Pilot XGT H4 $87.00 each
Shipping to Florida was $38.18 UPS Ground with an invoice total of $424.18

As a side note, they smell awful!  I don't recommend storing them in the air
conditioned part of where you live.  I'm anxious to see how they handle.  By
that time I might have already replaced the front shocks in installed the
lowered springs, so I might loose my objectivity.  When I'm done, I expect
the results to be terrific.

Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 21:44:18 -0700
From: "IN2TIME" <Gary_at_dml_IN2TIME.com>
Subject: RE: Low profile subs

<low profile subs>

There isn't much depth behind the rear wall. Some people move it forward to
get additional space.

A few years ago, I had a local stereo shop install an 8" woofer in the lock
box behind the driver's seat.  They made a new lid for the box, cut out a
speaker hole and covered the lid with gray speaker cloth.  They used a tiny
mixer to pull the bass equally off of both rear speakers, and added a small
amp (both also in the box).

They also added a capacitor circuit to filter out the bass frequencies from
the rear speakers, but I think this could use some more tweaking.
See http://www.passivecrossovers.com/section05.htm
and http://www.ehow.com/ehow/ehowDetails.jsp?id=8448

The benefits are:
 - Less load on my stock radio
 - All the bass I could ever use
 - No loss of room on the rear shelf
 - No loss of bass if you put luggage on the rear shelf
 - Less rumble from the rear speakers (from too much bass)

Bass is pretty non-directional, so the asymmetrical arrangement isn't a big
problem.  As with any well-designed speaker enclosure, the lock box has a
rear opening via a baffle system. <GRIN>

Gary (at) IN2TIME.com
www.IN2TIME.com
www.PNDC.org
VIN 5612




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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 06:05:23 -0000
From: CBL302_at_dml_msn.com
Subject: Bare naked door,or door with no skin

From:  CBL302_at_dml_msn.com
Date:  Tue Aug 7, 2001  1:48 am
Subject:  Bare naked door,or door with no skin

 
If you ever wanted  to see what a Delorean Gullwing door looked like 
from the outside (in) of the door without the Stainless Steel skin,
(And the Stainless Steel Skin can be Removed as witnessed by these 
photos)
please click on this URL.------------below----------------------------

http://communities.msn.com/Mystuffforsale/dmcdoorwithssskinremoved.msn
w
 
This Door was removed back in 1982,(2,200 miles)so that everything 
you see on
the door is as set by the factory
Take a CLOSE look at the Extra Framing that was put around the door 
pillers,and 
the extra plate welded on the roof,of the door,and the massive door 
beam made from SS,also note how the threaded bracket(s) are inserted 
for the four bolts that hold the hindges to the door,the door was 
setup,so that the WINDOW is NOT needed for structural support. 
There was plenty of Research and Development done on the Doors,in 
fact,parts of the door
frame are as thick or thicker than the Car frame.


Claude 
Vin000570

 





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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 23:25:37 -0700
From: "Aaron King" <floodle_at_dml_subdimension.com>
Subject: aftermarket auto transmission perhaps?

Sorry to beat this question into the ground, but I couldn't find a definative answer in the archives.  My automatic transmission recently ate itself (at only 13,700 miles! grrr...) and I'm looking for a better solution.  I was just wondering if ANY other transmission will bolt on to the delorean frame.  So far, I figure my options are: 1) Get my existing tranny rebuilt, or 2) Get a new one from Houston or PJ Grady.  Does anyone know of another option in the form of an aftermarket automatic transmission?

Also, on another note, I came across a webpage once where a guy was selling an adapter that would allow a 5-speed transmission to be bolted onto an automatic frame.  I have since (of course) lost the URL.  Does anyone have any details about this?

Thanks and sorry to rehash this again,

Aaron King
vin#1217
Bothell, WA


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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 13:24:07 -0000
From: TeacupFox_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Engine starting procedure - some humor!

Well, leave it up to a woman to figure out something; yeah, I know 
there are some of you guys out there who are certain women can not 
think at all, but then there are some of you who just accept that we 
can and DO.  Aside from that, my other half, whom I dearly love, now 
has 2300 miles on his virtually "new" D.  He has always had a little 
difficulty getting it to start, however.  Knowing that it is fuel 
injected, he would NOT TOUCH THE THROTTLE, but would just turn the 
key. That's the way you start fuel injected cars--don't load them 
up.  The starter would turn over a number of times and then the car 
would finally "light".  Well, last weekend after a fairly long drive 
(1 1/2 hours) and then the car sat for six hours in the extreme heat, 
we went to leave.  He did his usual procedure when starting - turn 
the key, turning over the starter, but this time it would 
not "light". YUNN, YUNN, YUNN, YUNN, YUNN!!  You know that sound! He 
ran the battery down.  Fortunately, someone was there with jumper 
cables who offered to help my husband get it started.  While the guys 
were outside chatting, I opened the glove box, got out the Owner's 
Manual and read "Engine Operation".  Gee, there it was, "depress the 
throttle 1/4 of the way and turn the key" how simple!!  Now, I wasn't 
to interrupt their conversation, so I sat quietly.  Finally,there was 
discussion about the fuel pump and some other things and then my 
husband asked me to get into the driver's seat. While they were at 
the backend, I was to start the car. I told him about the 1/4 
throttle, so I gave it 1/4 throttle AND IT STARTED UP!  Wow, what a 
relief! After we got home and pulled into the garage, he shut it 
down. He paused a moment then looked at me and turned the key and 
STARTED IT RIGHT UP!  He shut it down.  He turned the key again and 
STARTED IT RIGHT UP!  He shut it down again! He turned the key and 
STARTED IT RIGHT UP!  "Mmmmm" is all he managed to say. I just smiled 
and said "Thank you."  NOW YOU DON'T SUPPOSE IT WAS BECAUSE HE WAS 
GIVING IT 1/4 THROTTLE EACH TIME, do you?????




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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 16:38:01 +0200
From: Jan van de Wouw <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>
Subject: Re: Subs in back wall (was: Low profile subs)

>     I tried searching the yahoo groups web page, but couldn't find an answer 
> in there.  When I am ready to get a better stereo system in my car, I wanted 
> to get 2 subs and mount them in the rear deck panel right below the rear window. 

This has been mentioned before: a subwoofer needs a certain amount (and shape)
of space behind it, depending on it's specs... The rear wall would not supply
you with enough air behind it. I have my rear speakers in the back wall and they
sound OK, but they're not subs, so need less air behind them...

> Also, does anyone know of how much space  there is behind the deck? 

From experience I can say there's about 1,5 to 2 inches behind the board, the
board itself is about 0,5 inch thick. The space betwee the board and the fire
wall is filled with foam for sound and heat insulation from the engine.

> And would it be a good idea to place the amp 
> behind that deck or is the best place for the amp underneath the spare tire? 

I wouldn't put the amp behind the rear wall: it's too hot behind there and
there's no circualtiuon of air possible, so it would thermal-trip way too fast
and too often...
The "under spare" option is also much easier to access when you need to tune the
amp or (for instance) replace a fuse...

Good luck,

JAN van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

check out the Delorean-Files at:
http://www.deloreanfiles.nl/
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 13:18:24 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: seat back falling apart

hey guys,

what's the best way to repair a seat back?  mine is undone at the top.  i can 
get the metal bracket to go back up in the seat and it looks good then, but 
as soon as i sit in the seat, it pops back out again.  there is old glue 
around the edges of the back, so i know that a previous owner tried to fix 
the problem once already.  the back is bent inwards, i think too.  i was 
thinking maybe i could get some screws and screw it in, but it's all soft in 
there with nothing to screw into.  

any ideas?
Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 20:29:28 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: Subs in back wall (was: Low profile subs)

Blaupunkt has a new line of amps that are both slim, and generate 
less heat for the power output. Some as the website states are as 
small as a paperback book. They both look, and disperse heat like an 
iMac, and have no cooling fans. This can really open up a world of 
possibilities for a new mounting locations.

If you're looking for base, the rear shelf is NOT where you want to 
concentrate on. I have a set of 6x9" speaker boxes on the rear shelf. 
They pump out a nice amount of base, and really fill the car now with 
sound. A single woofer in the center wouldn't hurt, but anything more 
would be overkill. But, mounted down below on the kick panels I have 
a set of 5" speakers. Intended to fill out the sound in the front of 
the car, these are what ended up REALLY producing base. When they 
thump, the vibrations resonate thru the floor boards and the entire 
underbody of the car. If you are looking for a nice, full sound thru 
out the cockpit, speakers on the kick panels are the way to go. If 
you're simply looking for thumping base that you can feel, I would 
reccomend that you look into some sort of set up under the dash to 
pound the floor boards with sound. Someone before mentioned Fiero's 
use a set up for Bazooka tubes under the dashboard.

Most cars that are hatch backs, or traditional trunks have woofers in 
the back to bounce base off the rear of the rear of the car. Since 
the DeLorean is not a typical car, typical speaker configurations 
will not always work.

Before you spend any money at all on speakers, cables, amps, or 
boxes, head over to Radio Shack, or your local library and pick up a 
book on loudspeaker or sound system design. If they have one (which 
either source should), find a book specificly on car audio.

Hope this helps!

-Robert
vin 6585



> I wouldn't put the amp behind the rear wall: it's too hot behind 
there and
> there's no circualtiuon of air possible, so it would thermal-trip 
way too fast
> and too often...
> The "under spare" option is also much easier to access when you 
need to tune the
> amp or (for instance) replace a fuse...
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> JAN van de Wouw
> Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
> Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...
> 
> #05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000




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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 16:36:59 -0400
From: Peter Lucas <lucas_at_dml_imap.maya.com>
Subject: Re: AVS Intermediate tires still available for our cars

Well, nobody said that they were not available any more, only that it 
appears that they *soon* will be unavailable.

As I said in the original message:
(a)  Tirerack.com no longer lists the fronts and they (and several 
other Internet sources that I checked with) said they were listed as 
"discontinued" and they would no longer order them.
(b) Yokohama customer service confirmed that they were discontinued, 
and gave me a number of local dealers who might still be able to get 
them.
(c) Of these dealers, only Sears said they could get them (and did). 
All of the other local chains had them listed as "discontinued" and 
would not even try.

None of this in inconsistent with what your Yokohama contact said.  I 
assume they are selling against current stock, which explains how my 
local Sears was able to get them. But if what Tirerack and Yoko told 
me is true, when they are gone they are gone.

The purpose of my original post was to alert people that if they want 
new Yokos, they might want to think about ordering them soon.

--Pete Lucas
    VIN #06703

P.S. -- Now that I have my new Yokos mounted, I can confirm what 
everybody has been saying: my D handles like a different car. They're 
great (although I am sure there are other tires that would be great, 
too).


At 10:02 PM -0400 8/10/01, njp548_at_dml_aol.com wrote:
>Hey List,
>
>     After all the talk about the AVS Intermediate tires not being available
>for our cars anymore, I sent a message to Yokohama directly and this is the
>reply I got:
>
><<<Currently, the AVS Intermediate is still available in the two sizes you
>have
>listed.  This tire can be ordered through any authorized Yokohama tire
>dealer.  I hope this information has been helpful.  Thank you for contacting
>Yokohama Tire Corporation.>>>
>
>I hope that helps anyone who wants to get these tires for their car.
>
>
>Later,
>Nick
>1852
><A HREF="Http://members.aol.com/njp548">Http://members.aol.com/njp548</A>
-- 
  --pete



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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 21:03:01 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: seat back falling apart

I had the exact same problem with my driver seat after I had them 
both redone. Make sure that the brackects on the sides of the seat 
back are fully clasped into place as well as the top. It took a few 
tries, but no problems since.

-Robert
vin 6585



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> hey guys,
> 
> what's the best way to repair a seat back?  mine is undone at the 
top.  i can 
> get the metal bracket to go back up in the seat and it looks good 
then, but 
> as soon as i sit in the seat, it pops back out again.
<SNIP>




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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 18:54:11 -0700
From: "Donald Ekhoff" <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Michelin Pilot Tires(was Last call for Yokos)

Walt,

Have you concidered having the rims chromed?  I have done three sets now and
they look glorious.  I have them stripped, polished, chromed, painted black
and than polish the tops of the radial fins and the center hub and outer
rim.  I have had excellent results from a company "CICC" in Santa Fe
Springs, Calif. but there should be a good shop in your area.

Don Ekhoff


----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 9:20 PM
Subject: [DML] Re: Michelin Pilot Tires(was Last call for Yokos)


> My new Michelin tires arrived yesterday from tirerack.com.  I haven't
> mounted them on the rims yet because I am working on possibly exchanging
my
> rims for refurbished powder coated rims from a DeLorean vendor.
>
> Despite being shipped basically naked, the tires fared fine on their
journey
> here tied together in pairs with packing slips taped to the sides.  I
really
> can't complain.
>
> I got the all black side-wall design.  As I remember, I also had the
choice
> of raised white lettering (RWL).  The fronts & rears look identical with
the
> exception of the size specification on the sidewalls (duh!).  The
> proportions, graphics & tread all match perfectly front-to-rear.  Unlike
the
> Yokohomas, the Michelins are not side specific.
>
> The invoice looked something like this:
> P235/60HR15 Pilot XGT H4 $106.00 each
> P195/60HR14 Pilot XGT H4 $87.00 each
> Shipping to Florida was $38.18 UPS Ground with an invoice total of $424.18
>
> As a side note, they smell awful!  I don't recommend storing them in the
air
> conditioned part of where you live.  I'm anxious to see how they handle.
By
> that time I might have already replaced the front shocks in installed the
> lowered springs, so I might loose my objectivity.  When I'm done, I expect
> the results to be terrific.
>
> Walt    Tampa, FL
>
>
>
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 22:06:13 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: aftermarket auto transmission perhaps?


    I had to have a new Automatic trans. axle installed at 13, 800 miles in 
my former 1981 #3713. The car was shipped to Grady. They did a great job with 
the transmission. The car shifted much smoother than my other 1981 automatic 
DeLorean #6058. 

    My advice is to stick with the stock unit, either rebuilt or new unit 
installed. The rebuilt units have a different set up than that from the 
Renault factory.  
    
    The automatic Fuego (Trans. ID MJ-B) utilizes the same computer harness. 
Very few of the internal parts like the valve body are GM Europe. (Ferrari 
automatic parts are also GM Europe!)
    If you have any contacts in France have them look up a Renault 30 saloon. 
The automatic is identical.

    Cross your fingers with regard to the price. It is going to be expensive 
either way you do it. (Swap w/ something completely different and/or install 
a new unit or have your existing unit rebuilt)  
    Just to give you a comparison, Morley Safer, the journalist from the 60 
Minutes TV show, blew the trans. axle in his beloved Ferrari. The Trans axle 
cost as much as a Concourse DeLorean!

Sincerely,
Michael



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