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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 675
Date: Sunday, August 19, 2001 2:34 AM

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There are 15 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Found new/original Fan Blower motors
From: thai vu <thaiqvu_at_dml_yahoo.com>

2. Re: Oxygen sensor
From: deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com

3. Re: low voltage, battery light on
From: mark_at_dml_knudsonward.com

4. Re: Two! Two! Two questions in one!
From: "DMC JOE" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

5. Re: Leaking Interior Light
From: "DMC JOE" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

6. Re: Grinding
From: "DMC JOE" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

7. Re: New Owner
From: "DMC JOE" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

8. Re: Oxygen sensor
From: "DMC JOE" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

9. Re: D on Ebay
From: CBL302_at_dml_msn.com

10. Fuel Line Leak
From: madmap70_at_dml_cs.com

11. dome light/door ajar light gremlin
From: ben_at_dml_benmaxwell.com

12. Re: dome light/door ajar light gremlin - CLARIFICATION
From: ben_at_dml_benmaxwell.com

13. RE: Found new/original Fan Blower motors
From: "Bryn Potter (NEC)" <v-brynp_at_dml_microsoft.com>

14. Re: Found new/original Fan Blower motors
From: "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

15. Cleaning DeLoreans
From: "B Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:13:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: thai vu <thaiqvu_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Found new/original Fan Blower motors


DMC list,
I found the D's Fan Blower Motor from this small auto
shop near where I live.  It is the EXACT match for the
original D's fan motor.  I just replaced mine; all you
have to do is unscrew about four screws that hold the
motor inplace, and it drops right out.  Remove the
white fan assy. from the old one and install it on the
new motor; it matches EXACTLY and works PERFECTLY - no
more grinding noise and lots of air!  

If anyone is interested, I can buy get it for you. 
The cost is $50 (it should cost about $5 to $7 for S&H
= $55 to $57 total - not bad for the exact original).

e-mail seperately at TVDMC_at_dml_YAHOO.COM


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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 20:13:12 EDT
From: deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Oxygen sensor

Paul, the lambda probe (oxygen sensor) crosses to a bosch part. It's # is 
Bosch: 0-258-001-037.

John Weaver
DMC# 10527


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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 01:11:22 -0000
From: mark_at_dml_knudsonward.com
Subject: Re: low voltage, battery light on

To Andy and the List,

To locate three major ground connections read message # 13558.  Then 
print it out for future reference.

While you're at it read message # 16319 about the trailing arm bolts.

I have had no major problems with ground connections but I thought 
they may need a cleaning anyway.

The first one I tackled was the battery ground connection.  I 
proceeded to remove the bolt and the bracket it was holding in place 
moved enough that I couldn't put the bolt back in.  I put a jack 
stand under the right rear rotor to take the weight off of the 
trailing arm.  Then I loosened the trailing arm bolt.  This allowed 
me to put the negative ground bolt back in.  Message # 16319 says to 
torque the trailing arm bolt using 55 FT/LBS WITH THE FULL WEIGHT OF 
THE CAR ON THE SUSPENSION.

This is exactly what I did.  The other ground connections I'll tackle 
another day.

Mark R. Vanyo
Still living the dream. VIN # 02261
Lic OUTATYM
Seattle, WA


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
Hey guys,

anyone have any idea on what to do or check out?  i don't know the 
first thing in troubleshooting this problem, but i can follow 
anyone's directions or ideas.  someone suggested checking the front 
ground strap - where is that located?  i checked the parts manual and 
it was quite ambiguous as to the "front ground strap".

thanks a lot!
Andy

Soma576_at_dml_a...
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102





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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 00:01:58 -0400
From: "DMC JOE" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Two! Two! Two questions in one!

Two simple tests should locate your electrical problem. 

TEST #1
With the engine at idle and accessories off the electrical system voltage should be between 13 and 14.5 volts.
With the engine at idle and all accessories on the electrical system voltage should be between 11 and 12.5 volts.

Repeat the last test (accessories on) with the engine idle at 1500 RPM, the system voltage should be 12.3 to 13.7 volts DC.

Measurements should be taken with a portable dc voltmeter with the electrical test leads connected between the jump start post and engine block.

If by any chance your DeLorean is equipped with the factory installed Ducellier; replace it.

Also check to see if your battery is discharging when the car is completely shut down. A slight battery drain overnight can cause low voltage at start up.

NOTE: Be aware that the dash mounted volt meter reads approximately 1 to 2 volts below the actual system voltage.
  
DMC Joe
www.dmc.tv 
"See You At The Cruise-In"
DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Travis Goodwin 
  To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 8:49 AM
  Subject: [DML] Two! Two! Two questions in one!


  First. Here's the scoop: I keep forgetting to turn off the AC before I start
  the car. So, when I try to start the car with the AC on. I turn it over a
  few times and notice what I'm doing, so I stop and wait. The compressor,
  cooling fans, and starter drain the battery enough to make it sluggish even
  when they are all turned off. What's the largest battery everyone is using?
  How many cranking amps should I shoot for?




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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 00:10:14 -0400
From: "DMC JOE" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Leaking Interior Light

Water leaking through the front interior dome light is usually a result of a leak at one of the hinge and or T roof bolts. Apply RTV sealer to those areas, also check to see if any of the headliner fabric is protruding past the outside of the door inner seal at the roof area.
   
DMC Joe
www.dmc.tv 
"See You At The Cruise-In"
DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com 
  To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 3:58 PM
  Subject: [DML] Leaking Interior Light


  Hello
  After washing our DeLorean, I took it out and drove it around a little bit to 
  dry some parts I couldn't get at. After about 10 minutes the interior light, 
  the one right over the center panel, started leaking. I am guessing this is 
  because a leaking seal. Where would that seal be? Would it be the one between 
  the stainless steel and black window lining? 
  Also, how would I stop the leaking?

  Thanks a lot!
  John Feldman
  VIN 4275





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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 01:07:03 -0400
From: "DMC JOE" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Grinding

The 4th speed synchronizer is part #103059 and the roll pin is part #103092.

DMC Joe
www.dmc.tv 
"See You At The Cruise-In"
DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Payne 
  To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 12:40 AM
  Subject: [DML] Grinding


  I'm still having my unusual grinding problem in fourth gear, so I think I
  may have to pay a transmission shop to tear it open and find out what's
  wrong.  Even though it doesn't act like a worn synchro, I may have it
  replaced anyway since I don't want to have the tranny torn apart twice if it
  is the problem.  However I wasn't able to find the fourth gear synchro in
  the parts catalog.  Is it still available?  Also I'm having a problem with
  second gear that is most likely the roll pin (so I'm told) because sometimes
  it refuses to engage without grinding.  Does anyone have the part number for
  this or is it just a standard pin found at an auto parts store?

  Thanks for all your help.  If anyone has any advice it would be much
  appreciated.  The car has only about 61,000 miles so I can't imagine
  anything else in the tranny should be too worn.

  payne
  proud owner of #2975










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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 01:08:11 -0400
From: "DMC JOE" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: New Owner

Try spraying the switch contacts with electrical contact cleaner spray or WD-40. Keep in mind that the factory installed window regulators and motors have an extremely high failure rate therefore your problem may be more involved than an intermittent window switch.

DMC Joe
www.dmc.tv 
"See You At The Cruise-In"
DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: dclark_at_dml_3d2u.com 
  To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:14 AM
  Subject: [DML] New Owner


  Hello List,

  Well it finally happened, I purchased my DeLorean on 8-14-2001.  I am 
  the proud owner of 4222.

  So here is my first new owner question.  I am having trouble with the 
  windows.  When I hit the window switch many times nothong happens.  
  Once in a while it will work.  I get the same results going up or 
  down.  Is there a problem with the switch or is the problem deeper.

  Thanks
  derric






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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 01:14:13 -0400
From: "DMC JOE" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Oxygen sensor

The oxygen sensor used in the DeLorean crosses over to several other Bosh equipped cars. The sensors sold by our store and the other full service DeLorean parts suppliers contain the factory specified lead wire and connector. A non DeLorean sensor may not have the proper connector and or lead wire length. The wire is of the coax type and not easily spliced without compromising the sensors performance.

DMC Joe
www.dmc.tv 
"See You At The Cruise-In"
DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Salsbury 
  To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com ; doc-uk_at_dml_yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 2:20 PM
  Subject: [DML] Oxygen sensor


  Hi all

  Can I get an oxygen sensor from my local Volvo dealer?

  If so, does anyone know the part no.

  Cheers

  Paul
  6463





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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 08:30:36 -0000
From: CBL302_at_dml_msn.com
Subject: Re: D on Ebay

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Ryan Foster" <westiething_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> SO here is a good one there is an 1983 delorean with a grooved hood.
> I didn't know they had thoes in 83. Maybe the hood was replaced 
with an 
> eariler one.
> Oh well take a look at it anyway.
> 
> 
>                          Ryan- vin.#16301
> 
  The Reason that car has a Grooved Hood,is Because that was one of 
MY Delorean's back in 1987-1988 Go to the OLD archives,and type in  
vin # 16686 and YOU will see WHY that car HAS that hood along with 
many,many other "parts". Also see message number 18432(then put two 
and two together.Also you are right I took that hood off a 1982 
Delorean,and put it on that car,(along with many other parts)I never 
payed attention(and back then there was almost no way to know the 
major differences between the hoods.

Claude
000570

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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 14:37:26 -0400
From: madmap70_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Fuel Line Leak

I have two questions for the group.

I had just put a couple of bucks of fuel in the D and went for a dive when I smelled a very strong fuel smell.  As I pulled over, I noticed a leak coming from under the front of the car.  As I headed home rather quickly, I removed the panel to access the fuel tank and noticed the orange fuel line had two slices in it where the leak was coming from.  It only leaks with the car running.  The question I have is whether or not that orange colored fuel line is under any pressure since it looks rather easy to replace or are their any "unknowns" I need to be aware of when I go to replace it? Remember, you are dealing with someone not mechanically inclined!

Second, ever since I took apart my mode switch to have it stop hissing, I no longer get any airflow out of the car (no vent or AC).  The blower works but no air at all.  The vents are all open.  Any thoughts?

Thanks for all the help.

Mark D.
16728
   



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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 19:03:43 -0000
From: ben_at_dml_benmaxwell.com
Subject: dome light/door ajar light gremlin

Ok, I know that ths topic has been done to death, but I've searched 
the archives and didn't find the answer to this question:

With the key out of the ingition, and either OR both of the dome 
lights in the "delay" position, as soon as the delay is over, why 
would the door ajar light illuminate?  There is a slight current also 
feeding the light.

When BOTH of the lights are in the "off" position, the door ajar 
light goes out.

When the ignition is ON, and either of the the dome lights are in the 
delay position, the door ajar light does NOT illuminate after the 
delay shuts the lights out.

Short in the system?  Electrical feedback? Bad relay?  

How do I check it?

Any other thoughts?

Ben
#06976




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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 22:01:20 -0000
From: ben_at_dml_benmaxwell.com
Subject: Re: dome light/door ajar light gremlin - CLARIFICATION

Oh, one more thing... for clarification's sake.  

With the key out of the ingition, and either OR both of the dome 
lights in the "delay" position, as soon as DOOR CLOSES and the delay 
is over, the door ajar light illuminates?  There is a slight current 
also feeding the light.

Sorry for any confusion



The doors are closed


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., ben_at_dml_b... wrote:
> Ok, I know that ths topic has been done to death, but I've searched 
> the archives and didn't find the answer to this question:
> 
> With the key out of the ingition, and either OR both of the dome 
> lights in the "delay" position, as soon as the delay is over, why 
> would the door ajar light illuminate?  There is a slight current 
also 
> feeding the light.
> 
> When BOTH of the lights are in the "off" position, the door ajar 
> light goes out.
> 
> When the ignition is ON, and either of the the dome lights are in 
the 
> delay position, the door ajar light does NOT illuminate after the 
> delay shuts the lights out.
> 
> Short in the system?  Electrical feedback? Bad relay?  
> 
> How do I check it?
> 
> Any other thoughts?
> 
> Ben
> #06976




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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 13:50:51 -0700
From: "Bryn Potter (NEC)" <v-brynp_at_dml_microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: Found new/original Fan Blower motors

This blower motor is an original General Motors part carried at most
auto parts stores. 
I found mine at NAPA.

Thanks
~Bryn


-----Original Message-----
From: thai vu [mailto:thaiqvu_at_dml_yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 4:14 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Found new/original Fan Blower motors



DMC list,
I found the D's Fan Blower Motor from this small auto
shop near where I live.  It is the EXACT match for the
original D's fan motor.  I just replaced mine; all you
have to do is unscrew about four screws that hold the
motor inplace, and it drops right out.  Remove the
white fan assy. from the old one and install it on the
new motor; it matches EXACTLY and works PERFECTLY - no
more grinding noise and lots of air!  

If anyone is interested, I can buy get it for you. 
The cost is $50 (it should cost about $5 to $7 for S&H
= $55 to $57 total - not bad for the exact original).

e-mail seperately at TVDMC_at_dml_YAHOO.COM


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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 16:02:22 -0400
From: "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Found new/original Fan Blower motors

what was wrong with your original?  Is this a replacement for a non-working
one or is this fan simply quieter?  Mine is noisy.

----- Original Message -----
From: "thai vu" <thaiqvu_at_dml_yahoo.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 7:13 PM
Subject: [DML] Found new/original Fan Blower motors


>
> DMC list,
> I found the D's Fan Blower Motor from this small auto
> shop near where I live.  It is the EXACT match for the
> original D's fan motor.  I just replaced mine; all you
> have to do is unscrew about four screws that hold the
> motor inplace, and it drops right out.  Remove the
> white fan assy. from the old one and install it on the
> new motor; it matches EXACTLY and works PERFECTLY - no
> more grinding noise and lots of air!
>
> If anyone is interested, I can buy get it for you.
> The cost is $50 (it should cost about $5 to $7 for S&H
> = $55 to $57 total - not bad for the exact original).
>
> e-mail seperately at TVDMC_at_dml_YAHOO.COM
>
>
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 14:41:41 -0700
From: "B Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>
Subject: Cleaning DeLoreans

I found a couple of products that work great for cleaning a DeLorean as I
did after a long road trip to Houston. The first is made by the same company
that sells Seafoam fuel treatment. It's called Bug Off . You spray it on and
three minutes later the bugs hose off. It also is safe for glass. The second
is for the black trim items. From time to time there have been comments on
the list about various products that work but none ever did for me. None of
the Armor All types ever did a good job. Miguiars sells a product for
treating tires called Endurance High Gloss. It's a purple grape smelling gel
that works great on the black trim . Like all things in life, moderation is
best. Use it sparingly and it makes the black bumpers and trim look new.

Bruce Benson




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