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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 679
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2001 3:38 AM

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There are 22 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Delorean in People Magazine
From: Michael Pike <iqintermedia_at_dml_yahoo.com>

2. Re: Elvis and DeLorean Time Machine
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

3. Re: window film
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>

4. RE: window film
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

5. Re: getting body off frame
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

6. re: things that go bump in the night
From: "Mike Cutting" <mcutting_at_dml_nt.net>

7. Delorean QAC history question
From: georad_at_dml_attglobal.net

8. Re: window film
From: "dmcjoe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

9. Re: Re: Two! Two! Teo questions in one!
From: "dmcjoe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

10. Another Gull-wing auto
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

11. Minnesota Deloreans fall get together ...
From: "Nick Kemp" <nkemp_at_dml_pclink.com>

12. For Sale 3000 mile CA car.
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

13. Re: getting body off frame
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com

14. RE: window film
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

15. Re: getting body off frame - one more
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com

16. Re: window film
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

17. Re: re: things that go bump in the night
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

18. Re:eyebrows?
From: RFLRKV_at_dml_cs.com

19. Re: Delorean in People Magazine
From: deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com

20. Re: Re:eyebrows?
From: E Grauff <datamonk_at_dml_svn.net>

21. Re: Re:eyebrows?
From: "skipper landry" <sk1pper_at_dml_intersurf.com>

22. My Classic Car Auto Show
From: wingd2_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:47:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Pike <iqintermedia_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Delorean in People Magazine

don't know if this was mentioned (been off the list
for awhile).. but the 80's special edition of people
magazine has a profile on JZD, and michael j fox as
well.

No pics of the Delorean, but JZD is in there, along
with one of his ex-wives.

I don't remember the exact article, but it had a piece
of wrong info in it about the delorean car...and his
ex-wife was quoted as saying, "that car is the cause
of all of our problems"...then my wife read it and
said, "wow we have something in common"... I didn't
find it funny.

what I did find heart-breaking was the fact the molds
for the D are sitting at the bottom of the atlantic?

Was this a punishment by a judge or something?  Why in
the hell would they do something like that?

Would it be possible to get them back?

If there was any appropriate resting place for the
Delorean though, the Atlantic would be it... it has
company with the mighty Titanic... both (Titanic and
the Delorean) are extreme royalty and will never be
replaced with anything as great for the rest of time.

Mike


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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:10:47 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: Elvis and DeLorean Time Machine

The 97 Delorean Time Machine was featured at White Sox Park to bring out Elvis
for the Annual Elvis night at the park.  Over 30,000 people were there and it
was broad cast on cable.

A video is supposed to be available in about 1 month.

Unfortunately, I was working and did not even get to see it. Brent drove the
car.

Did anyone see this on cable?

Bob Brandys






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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 02:35:40 -0000
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
Subject: Re: window film

Do you use Armor-All or other similar dash/vinyl cleaner?  This stuff 
has a tendency to evaporate off the dash, then accumulate on the 
windshield.  I get it on both my DeLorean and Eagle Talon (even though 
I dont use Armor-All, just too much leftover from previous cleanings). 
 Try cleaning your entire interior (inclucing the glass) with just a 
soft, dry (or slightly water damp) rag.  Probably your best bet unless 
someone else has a better idea.

Jim Reeve
MNDMC - Minnesota DeLorean Club
DMC-6960




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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:13:15 -0500
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: window film

Do you use any leather or vinyl cleaners/treatments like
Armorall?  Sometimes they can outgas and leave a film on
the inside of the windows when the car gets hot.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: marvin [mailto:marv_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com]
Subject: [DML] window film


The air conditioner throws cold air. The heater warm. However after I clean
the inside and outside of the windows a few days later there is a film or
very thin coating of what looks like a  "mist" -




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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:52:56 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: getting body off frame

Steve,

Many thanks for the DeLorean 'lift off' check list.  Hopefully I won't have
to lift the frame more than a few inches.  I'm hoping that I won't have to
disconnect much of anything.  The pontoon bolts can be reached from side
access panels without taking the rear fascia off (I think.)  I'll keep the
list posted on my progress.

Thanks again,
Walt



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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 00:20:02 -0400
From: "Mike Cutting" <mcutting_at_dml_nt.net>
Subject: re: things that go bump in the night

hi folks..

well, as it stands right now, it looks like my noise was coming from the
trailing arm bolts.  i have driven the delorean quite a bit for the past
couple of days (after tightening the trailing arm bolts) and the noise seems
to be gone.

thanks for everyone's help..

:)
<=-mike-=>
www.nt.net/~mcutting





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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 04:50:50 -0000
From: georad_at_dml_attglobal.net
Subject: Delorean QAC history question

Hi all,

Does any body know what happened to Joe Black and the original 
Delorean service center? Most of the people that were involved 
with Delorean service in California in the beginning are still
around today. I was looking through the old issues of Delorean
World and noticed the "National Service Center" stopped advertising
around mid '85, right around the same time D1 came into being.
(The reason for my curiosity was brought on by the old service bills
that came with my car, the original owner had a lot of work done
there, then seemed to switch to D1 for service.)

George
Vin #2169






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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 00:54:04 -0400
From: "dmcjoe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: window film

Do you use any type of cleaner on the dashboard; i.e.: Armorall etc. 

DMC Joe
www.dmc.tv 
"See You At The Cruise-In"
DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>





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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 01:08:51 -0400
From: "dmcjoe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Two! Two! Teo questions in one!

Travis,

You have discovered your problem; its the Ducellier alternator. Besides having an extremely high failure rate the Ducellier has a unpredictable way producing extremely low voltages under load. The electrical system will draw appox 90 amps at full load. That, by the way, is the problem with the Ducellier which has a maximum output of 80 amps.

Any alternator 90 amps of over is sufficient but I would recommend 100 to 110, anything over 115 is overkill. Your battery at 700 cranking amps is adequate but on those cold winter mornings you would do better with 775 or higher. 

DMC Joe
www.dmc.tv 
"See You At The Cruise-In"
DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>





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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 09:33:37 -0400
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Another Gull-wing auto


  For people interested in all-things Gull-Winged, I found a 
Gull Wing Mitsubishi Starion...

    While searching for Mitsu Starion photos, I came across these photos
of a Gull Wind Starion - and I put them all on a page: 
http://www.eskin.net/starion.html I can't confirm the validity of these 
photos, but it seems that the car was built for a Japanese TV show 
(see translation on the web page).

  Also, I owned a 1985 Mitsubishi Starion for many years 
(I'm sure many of you are familiar with this car).  Ever Since I've owned 
my Delorean, I've noticed a few (I think) remarkable similarities between
this car and the Delorean.  The Starion was designed in the late 70's, 
early 80's, and was originally released in mid 1982.  I suspect the 
designers of the Starion "borrowed" heavily from the Delorean, or
at least were subliminally inspired by the Delorean design.  I've included 
some side-by-side photos of both cars on the same page as above:  
http://www.eskin.net/starion.html for your perusal.

-Hank #1619







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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 09:33:51 -0500
From: "Nick Kemp" <nkemp_at_dml_pclink.com>
Subject: Minnesota Deloreans fall get together ...

Just a reminder about the Minnesota fall Delorean get together at Deer Lake
Orchard.  Everyone, from the originator of the Delorean concept to the last
purchaser and those who are simply interested in the car, are invited.

When:	Sept 16, Sunday, 11:00 till 5:00
Where: Deer Lake Orchard, 1903 10th St SW, Buffalo, MN, about 30 miles west
of the twin cities
Map & Directions: visit www.deerlakeorchard.com

Why:

This is the annual Minnesota Delorean get together.  It is a chance to
converse with other Delorean enthusiasts, take our cars for a drive, share
our woes, learn more about the car and generally have fun.  Last year we
received a full page write-up in the local paper and everyone had a good
time.  Expect that this year we will have a lot more non-car enthusiasts
since there was a lot of interest after the article was published last year.

The orchard will be in full operation.  There will be:
- Great apples
- Free wagon rides through a beautiful orchard and woods
- Free entertainment
- Food will be available
- Lots of people
- And the weather will be warm, dry and generally perfect :-)

PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU PLAN TO ATTEND .  I hope to see you all there!

Nick Kemp
763-684-0653  <---New number




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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 07:30:07 +0000
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: For Sale 3000 mile CA car.

Yesterday, in N. CA I drove an '82 with 3029 miles on it.  Asking price
is $17,500 but he's ready for an offer, I'm not going to make one.  Saw
no dents, upholstery has some creases but no cracks that I could see.
Tires are excellent originals.  Starts well and runs well, no eyebrows.
Steering column squeaks, engine cover latch is missing, stainless should
be re-grained.  Spare tire and tools in new condition.  If you're
interested, want more info or the 'phone number, e-mail me

Les




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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:04:35 -0000
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com
Subject: Re: getting body off frame

Walt,

You'll see that you will have to lift the body a pretty good ways up. 
To give you an idea of how much you have to lift it to access the 
fuel lines...measure the height of the center console from the floor 
to the top of the console then add a few inches (for working space to 
get to the fuel lines) and that's approx. how much the body has to be 
lifted. Like I said, I recomend having and extra person there to be 
an exra set of eyes to keep an eye on all the wires, hoses, etc. to 
make sure they all clear as your lifting the body.

As for the access panels....I never really checked into it since I 
had my rear fascia off to take the engine out. Let me know what you 
come up.

I posted a few pictures on the files page to give you a few visuals. 
The picture titles "access" is the one for the rear pontoon 
bolts...looking at that picture I don't see anyother way to get to 
those bolts...I may be wrong.

Good Luck,

Steve





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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:58:24 -0500
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: window film

If the heater core (exchanger) has a leak, sometimes you will get a mist
(anti-freeze) on the window.

Have a pressure check done on your cooling system.

Scott Mueller
DMCNEWS 002981
DOA 5031




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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:26:37 -0000
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com
Subject: Re: getting body off frame - one more

Walt,

If you look at the picture titled "delor2.jpg" under the folder 
Chassis removal in the files section....you'll see that I had to 
place the body on approx 3 cynderblocks along with a 4X4 wood post in 
between them. I should also note that I had the front wheels off and 
the chassis itself was resting on a movers dolly. It gave me more 
clearence (without having to jack the body up to high) and more 
control as I was rolling the chassis back under (easier to steer it 
and line it up). The height I had to jack up the body to get the 
chassis back under is about the same height you will need to jack it 
up to have a good working access to the fuel lines. Unfortunatly I 
don't have measurements...just visuals...sorry.

Again I hope this helps,

Steve

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> Steve,
> 
> Many thanks for the DeLorean 'lift off' check list.  Hopefully I 
won't have
> to lift the frame more than a few inches.  I'm hoping that I won't 
have to
> disconnect much of anything.  The pontoon bolts can be reached from 
side
> access panels without taking the rear fascia off (I think.)  I'll 
keep the
> list posted on my progress.
> 
> Thanks again,
> Walt




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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:13:29 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: window film

Most auto manufacturers now only reccomend either a damp cloth or 
something like Windex on the dashboard because anything that makes it 
shiny will cause glare on the windscreen and can also cause a film to 
appear on the inside surface. If anyone smokes in the car that can 
also cause quite a build-up on the interior glass. In the winter if 
you run the heat/defrost and get a steamed-up winscreen that would 
indicate a leaky heater core.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "dmcjoe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> Do you use any type of cleaner on the dashboard; i.e.: Armorall etc. 
> 
> DMC Joe
> www.dmc.tv 
> "See You At The Cruise-In"
> DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_a...>




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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 11:28:09 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: re: things that go bump in the night

Uh, it may not be over yet.  If one of your trailing arm bolts were loose
enough to make noise, then I strongly recommend replacing them.  I'm in the
process of replacing mine now.  (Well, I stopped for a few days out of
frustration.)  Because my passenger bolt was a little loose, it pivoted in
the wrong place and scored up a washer.  Mine wasn't loose enough to lose
any shims, but if yours was making noise, then you should check your rear
alignment.  All the cars that I have seen have 4 shims on the passenger side
and 3 on the driver's side.  I'm suspicious that the factory used this as a
formula and never checked the alignment otherwise.  Oh, by the way, both of
my OEM bolts are bent.  Did you check yours?  Twirl them around and see.
The passenger side was hard to get out for this reason, and I might have to
cut the driver's side out if it is too bent to slide out.  With an automatic
tranny in the way, there isn't much room to work on it.

Walt    Tampa, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Cutting" <mcutting_at_dml_nt.net>
<snip>
> well, as it stands right now, it looks like my noise was coming from the
> trailing arm bolts.  i have driven the delorean quite a bit for the past
> couple of days (after tightening the trailing arm bolts) and the noise
seems
> to be gone.
<snip>




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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:28:34 EDT
From: RFLRKV_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re:eyebrows?

What are "eyebrows"?



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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:56:00 EDT
From: deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Delorean in People Magazine

Mike,

    I wanted to chime in about the molds for the Delorean's body. The way I understand it is that when JZD came out of his first round of legal battles he made mention of re-starting the company. What to keep in mind here is that the conservative party in Britain (the Torries) is the main reason for the initial collapse of the company. The Delorean project was a pet of the Labour party government which approved the massive loans to DMC in order to create jobs in Belfast. This program was one of the few that was actually turning a profit for the government when the switch took place in '81 from Labour to Conservative. So, the conservative party, wanting to rid itself of any labour party programs (successful or not), basically reneged on the loans to DMC. This forced the whole money scramble, which led to the entrapment of JZD. Thus, back to the mention of restarting the company, when JZD mentioned another attmept, the British gov't took the molds and sold them to a fishing comp!
!
any. The company used the molds 
as weights for fish nets and the are at the bottom of Galloway bay, completely ruined. So this is why there are no new fenders and such. A company in Europe bought and old ferry boat, an in the process of restoring it, they discovered actual pictures of the molds being pushed into the bay off of that boat! I can't find the URL, but those pictures are posted somewhere. Maybe someone else knows it? Anyway, that's the way I think it went.

John Weaver
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:03:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: E Grauff <datamonk_at_dml_svn.net>
Subject: Re: Re:eyebrows?

Some front facia tend to "droop" above the headlights after getting too
much heat and/or sun . . . since they droop it looks like sagging eyebrows.


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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:08:00 -0500
From: "skipper landry" <sk1pper_at_dml_intersurf.com>
Subject: Re: Re:eyebrows?

the front facia does not have a solid metal frame across the top of the
lights. heat and time caused the top of the facia to warp over the
headlights causing the headlights to appear as if they have "eyebrows"

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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:31:22 EDT
From: wingd2_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: My Classic Car Auto Show

  Just a reminder that the annual "My Classic Car" car show event which is 
held in Evansville Indiana is coming up on Sept 28-30th. This event has 
become one of the most popular auto shows in the country with national TV 
exposure, and has become an annual event for the MidState Delorean Club and 
all our friends. This year we already have Deloreans from Illinois, Indiana, 
Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Ohio, Colorado and Texas 
registered.

    We'd like to invite anyone who is interested in attending to come along 
and join the fun. It looks like this year is going to be the largest Delorean 
turnout ever, and Dennis Gage, the host of the TV show "My Classic Car," has 
developed a real fondness for our cars and our group. We look forward to 
spending some time with him every year and doing a little "film work" for his 
upcoming TV shows. He really is a "Certified Car Nut."  You can check out all 
the information on this event by going to:-  www.autofest.com.

  We also have some rooms blocked out at one of the local hotels for our 
group. You can e-mail me directly for the hotel info.

   Hope to see you there,   Marty  


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