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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 680
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2001 4:12 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Delorean in People Magazine
From: "B Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>

2. Re: Re:eyebrows?
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

3. Caravan to Fall Minnesota Meet
From: "Jim Reeve"<ultra_at_dml_isd.net>

4. Re: Body molds (was Delorean in People)
From: "David Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

5. engine compartment light
From: "Ryan Foster" <westiething_at_dml_hotmail.com>

6. RE: Delorean in People Magazine
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

7. Re: Delorean in People Magazine (Molds/Body Dies)
From: "Randy Atamaniuk" <martydmc12_at_dml_hotmail.com>

8. Delorean Parts prices Then and Now
From: CBL302_at_dml_msn.com

9. re: things thst go bump in the night
From: "Mike Cutting" <mcutting_at_dml_nt.net>

10. Re: Delorean in People Magazine
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>

11. Hitching a different ride.
From: petleech_at_dml_aol.com

12. DMC seen in NJ, is it you?
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

13. my 'thunk' sound
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

14. Molds/Body Dies
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

15. Speedometer at DMC Houston
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>

16. Re: things thst go bump in the night
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

17. strange looking spoiler
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

18. Re: Idle Control (OOPS!)
From: knut.s.grimsrud_at_dml_intel.com

19. Re: Hitching a different ride.
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

20. is a good mechanic is hard to find???
From: "Cohee, Michael" <mcohee_at_dml_cfginc.com>

21. window film
From: "marvin" <marv_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com>

22. Re: Delorean Parts prices Then and Now
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

23. Re: Delorean in People Magazine (Molds/Body Dies)
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com

24. Re: Hitching a different ride
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>

25. Re: Hitching a different ride.
From: "Sacha Prins" <sacha_at_dml_prins.net>





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:40:24 -0700
From: "B Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean in People Magazine

You also have to realize that the recession of 1982 was the deepest
financial plunge the U.S. economy had taken since the great depresssion. The
DeLorean was earmarked almost exclusivly for the U.S. market then and even
mundane every day transportation cars wern't selling. Certainly the British
government had a number of political reasons for ending the DeLorean
enterprise but they were also becoming anxious for a return on their
investment and that didn't look promising with the direction the worlds
economy was headed. British political rivals took advantage of this to cut
off funds to the company. In my opinion DeLorean fell victim to some very
unfortunate timing in this regard. A couple of years one way or the other
and we'd probably still see Delorean in business.

Bruce Benson


> Mike,
>
>     I wanted to chime in about the molds for the Delorean's body. The way
I understand it is that when JZD came out of his first round of legal
battles he made mention of re-starting the company. What to keep in mind
here is that the conservative party in Britain (the Torries) is the main
reason for the initial collapse of the company.

> John Weaver
> DMC #10527
>




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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:37:48 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re:eyebrows?

In a message dated 8/22/01 6:34:03 PM Central Daylight Time, datamonk_at_dml_svn.net 
writes:


> Some front facia tend to "droop" above the headlights after getting too
> much heat and/or sun . . . since they droop it looks like sagging eyebrows.
> 

Actually, it's not the drooping -
it's the way the front fascia curves UPWARD above the headlights - it looks 
like the headlights have eyebrows above them, raised in surprise!

it's somewhat annoying for an owner, but no one on earth ever notices unless 
they actually own a DeLorean as well!  i guess you could say that a D w/o 
eyebrows could theoretically be a more desirable buy than an identical one 
with the eyebrows.  however, the eyebrows can be removed if they really bug 
you and you have the time to remove the front fasica.  it's just a casualty 
of time.

Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:27:59 GMT
From: "Jim Reeve"<ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
Subject: Caravan to Fall Minnesota Meet

Just like I did last year, this year I am going to lead a caravan out to the
Deer Lake Orchard for the annual fall meet.  It will start out in the west Minneapolis
suburbs and will be perfect for anyone who doesn't know how to get to the orchard.
 Please email me directly at ultra(at)isd.net to get directions and time to
the meeting location.  See you on the 16th.

Jim Reeve
MNDMC - Minnesota DeLorean Club
DMC-6960



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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:04:22 -0000
From: "David Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: Re: Body molds (was Delorean in People)

Complete (as complete as I can find, anyway) information is at 

http://www.dmcnews.com/Resource/bodydies/bodydies.html

Dave Swingle


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., deloreanss_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Mike,
> 
>     I wanted to chime in about the molds for the Delorean's body. 
A company in Europe bought and old ferry boat, an in the process of 
restoring it, they discovered actual pictures of the molds being 
pushed into the bay off of that boat! I can't find the URL, but those 
pictures are posted somewhere




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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:37:43
From: "Ryan Foster" <westiething_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: engine compartment light

hello list,
I was just wondering if any one has an engine compartment light lense for 
sale. (The clear part) Mine fell off when driving that was weird.
Please let me know if ya got one for sale. Thanks a bunch!

                         Ryan- vin.#16301


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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 21:17:33 -0500
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Delorean in People Magazine

Just a nit, but the bits at the bottom of the North Sea are
the body dies.  I think the molds for the fibreglass underbody
still exist.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 4:56 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] Delorean in People Magazine


Mike,

    I wanted to chime in about the molds for the Delorean's body. 




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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 22:11:15 -0600
From: "Randy Atamaniuk" <martydmc12_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean in People Magazine (Molds/Body Dies)

Is this the URL you're looking for?
http://www.dmcnews.com/Resource/bodydies/bodydies.html

My question is, why couldn't somebody re-make the molds/body dies?  I mean, 
they had to be built once before from specs & designs.  Why couldn't it be 
done again?  Or am I missing something.

Randy
Vin #16353





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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 07:30:32 -0000
From: CBL302_at_dml_msn.com
Subject: Delorean Parts prices Then and Now

Going over some OLD Delorean Documents,I came across a price list
(estimate) that I got from a Delorean Dealer,for some parts I needed 
at the time,for a  Restoration on a Delorean(1983 timeline),this 
listing was dated on 9/27/1983,I thought it would be interesting to  
compare the 1983 prices to 2001 prices(from one of the Delorean 
vendors).What I did was averaged out the prices,and it came out to a 
average overall,whopping 52% INCREASE on AVERAGE over 1982 
prices,remember this is a Average sampling on 25 parts on the 
estimate,that was given to me back in 1983,BY a Delorean Dealer,Some 
parts are a whopping 250% + or - some are lower now, than when new,or 
the same,most of the lowered prices are for non-popular parts.(parts 
that have a low falure rate)The url  to compare is:   

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/files/DMC%20Parts%20pricing%
201983%20VS%202001/Delorean%20parts%20%20prices%201983%20VS%202001.jpg


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/files/DMC%20Parts%20pricing%
201983%20VS%202001/Delorean%20parts%20%20prices%201983.jpg

Claude
000570





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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 05:34:38 -0400
From: "Mike Cutting" <mcutting_at_dml_nt.net>
Subject: re: things thst go bump in the night

hi walt..

well, the bolts had loosened just enough so that there was a little play in
things back there.  nothing seemed to be bent or missing.

:)
<=-mike-=>
11434




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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:48:28 +0100
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
Subject: Re: Delorean in People Magazine

John,

I think your interpretation of events is a bit "over simplified", if you
read ALL the books available on the subject, and were around at the time,
following events from this side of the Atlantic, you may have come to a more
"balanced" view of events.
Very few people who worked at the factory think it all failed simply because
of some government inspired conspiracy.

I think it has been established that the moulds were sent to a scrap yard
( in the normal way if a company goes bust and everything has to cleared
out) then when the fishing people came along looking for big heavy chunks on
metal to weight their nets, hay presto...they bought them.   ....no
conspiracy..just normal business practice.

Poor financial control, and over-optimistic sales predictions are hardly
ever mentioned as important factors in the companies demise.

Whatever your take on past events is, the fact remains that had the factory
survived and prospered, and produced many more cars, then our few remaining
one's would not be as rare, desirable and collectable as they  undoubtedly
are.

I love the car and the notoriety that surrounds it.

BTW....BTTF 1 was shown last night in the UK ( again) and has anyone ever
noticed that when the car first "flies off"  it has 3 amber door lights, but
when it lands later some of them turned red.

Chris P.....  England   ( personal  view).





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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 07:06:17 EDT
From: petleech_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Hitching a different ride.

Just curious to know, but what do DeLorean owners drive other than their 
beloved stainless cars? I don't whether its just coincidence or a trend that 
most Owner's I've met own two exotics.



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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 08:27:09 -0400
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: DMC seen in NJ, is it you?

Yesterday (Wednesday Aug 22) around 7:50PM, there was a Delorean driving
on Rt 527 in Old Bridge NJ.    It had large black stripes on it, and I
have never seen this car in the area before.

Is the owner on the list?




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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 08:26:23 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: my 'thunk' sound

hey guys,

i'm still trying to find the source of my 'thunk' sound i hear when making 
turns. last night i inspected the rear trailing arm bolts - i couldn't budge 
them with my ratchet, plus they still have the factory epoxy all over them so 
i assume they are still ok and tight.  i also checked the rear body/chassis 
bolts on that U-shaped pipe in the engine compartment.  i couldn't get either 
of them to budge either.

i got my drive shafts lubed under the boots at an auto tech center.  yet i 
still hear the mysterious, dull-sounding 'THUNK' when i make sharp turns.  it 
does this when turning either left or right.

can anyone think of another possibility? someone suggested i might have bad 
motor mounts - i'm still investigating that one.

Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 08:34:21 -0400
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: Molds/Body Dies

It could.... but it is expensive, and the laws of supply and demand have
not yet made it a worth while investment.


-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Atamaniuk [mailto:martydmc12_at_dml_hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 12:11 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] Delorean in People Magazine (Molds/Body Dies)


My question is, why couldn't somebody re-make the molds/body dies?  I
mean, 
they had to be built once before from specs & designs.  Why couldn't it
be 
done again?  Or am I missing something.

Randy
Vin #16353




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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 12:46:18 -0000
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
Subject: Speedometer at DMC Houston

I was reviewing some of the video I took at the DMC Houston facility 
last week, when I noticed somthing that I was surprised I didn't see 
when I was there.  There was a complete, metric, instrument cluster 
on top of the shelf by the front desk.  It included a 160mph 
speedometer (NOT the DMCA one), but what caught me off guard 
reviewing the video, was that it has a DIGITAL odometer.  I took a 
screen capture and uploaded it to the Files section.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/files/speedometer.jpg
James Espey, would you care to eleborate on this?

Jim Reeve
MNDMC - Minnesota DeLorean Club
DMC-6960




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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:57:55 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: things thst go bump in the night

Keep an eye on those bolts! Maybe they were loose or maybe a shim fell 
out. Or maybe they were overtorqued and streched beyond their yield 
point! The best thing to do is to replace them with the stronger bolts 
available from all of the Delorean parts vendors. It is also 
reccomended to double nut them. While you are at it get a 4 wheel 
alignment making SURE that they check the "thrust angle" of the rear 
wheels. Get some extra shims in case you need them for the alignment 
as most shops may not have shims large enough to install.(Shims and 
bolts are cheap insurance when considering the alternatives!).        
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Mike Cutting" <mcutting_at_dml_n...> wrote:
> hi walt..
> 
> well, the bolts had loosened just enough so that there was a little 
play in
> things back there.  nothing seemed to be bent or missing.
> 
> :)
> <=-mike-=>
> 11434




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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:44:12 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: strange looking spoiler

Another DeLorean just came up for auction on eBay, and this one has a really
unique looking front spoiler that is definitely not OEM.  From the photos,
it looks pretty good.  Can anyone say anything about it?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=594619205&
r=0&t=0

Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:17:35 -0000
From: knut.s.grimsrud_at_dml_intel.com
Subject: Re: Idle Control (OOPS!)

It has been pointed out to me that I unfortunately got a little 
sloppy in the way I wrote this posting resulting in an inaccuracy in 
the description of the mixture surging. When the engine is stone 
cold, the lamda ECU runs the car in a fixed mixture mode and does not 
use the input from the lambda sensor to regulate the mixture (via the 
signal to the frequency valve). The period where the car runs in this 
fixed mixture mode is for the first minute or two after which the 
exhaust gasses should have warmed up the lambda sensor. For the 
remaining period of the engine warmup (once the fixed-mixture phase 
is over) the lambda ECU handles the regulation of the mixture and it 
is this phase that the oscillating mixture likely has an impact on 
idle quality.

I apologize for my sloppiness in not clarifying that the mixture 
oscillation I described only applies during engine warmup after the 
very initial stone-cold period (a couple minutes) is over.

                 Knut




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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:19:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Hitching a different ride.


Does a 1968 VW Type III Squareback qualify as an
exotic?

If not, how about my hand built Moots Titanium road
bike?

Dick Ryan

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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:28:03 -0400
From: "Cohee, Michael" <mcohee_at_dml_cfginc.com>
Subject: is a good mechanic is hard to find???

List,
I am currently looking at getting a Delorean. One of my final obstacles may
be a mechanic...I have never worked on cars although I would love if DMCNews
or someone else would offer a full day course on "How to perform the 20 most
common repairs". In the mean time just wanted to know if anyone on the list
can recomend a top mechanic in the Balt/Wash area? Has anyone considered a
repair session for the Delorean??? I would imagine it would get a nice
turnout and be profitable....

thanks,
 Mike C


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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 12:12:57 -0400
From: "marvin" <marv_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com>
Subject: window film

Thanks for the prompt responses!
Yes I use alot of Armorall........never even thought of that as a problem. I will switch to a damp rag as suggested. As well, I will have the system pressure tested. 
What about a non silicone based conditioner? I used a great item on my boat that also blackened sun bleached black areas, much better than normal auto stuff, but cannot remember the name and left it on board when I sold it. 

Marvin Stein
tel: 519 - 434 - 1666
fax: 519 - 434 - 7071
email: marv_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com
web: printeddrinkware.com
Printed Drinkware Company
924 Dundas Street
London, Ontario, Canada N5W 3A1


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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:28:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean Parts prices Then and Now

--- CBL302_at_dml_msn.com wrote:
What I did was averaged out the prices,and it came out
to a  average overall,whopping 52% INCREASE on AVERAGE
over 1982  prices
- - - - - - -

I guess that is interesting, but I'm not sure what the
word "whopping" adds to the message.  Are you trying
to say that you are surprised by the increase or do
you feel that the increase cannot be justified by the
passage of time?  Seriously, I'm curious.

I'm looking at a December 1981 Road & Track (the one
with the DeLorean article) and quote the following
prices   Saab 900 _at_dml_ $10,400; Volvo 242 _at_dml_ $9785; Audi
4000 _at_dml_ $9215.  Increase any of those by 52% and offer
that to a dealer for a "comparable" new car and you
would be laughed out of the showroom.

Yes, I know that many of these parts are "old", but
the cost of physical storage is not cheap, there is
inventory tax and insurance to be paid every year, and
the basis of all commerce is supply and demand.  All
in all, though I would long for 1982 prices, I think
the pricing on most DeLorean parts is reasonably
competitive with the parts for any other car, new or
old.

Just my 2

Dick Ryan
VIN 16867




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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 17:12:21 -0000
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com
Subject: Re: Delorean in People Magazine (Molds/Body Dies)

They can be reproduced but the cost to do so would make the body 
panels that are made from them probably TWICE the amount the 
originals cost now. Maybe in the future when all body panel 
inventories are gone....then maybe someone may make them...but I 
doubt it. Not only do you need the dies but also the press. Don't 
forget...the dies wore out rather quickly and had to be replaced 
because of the Stainless steel so it wouldn't be a one time thing to 
make a die.

Steve




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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:09:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>
Subject: Re: Hitching a different ride

I only drive my DeLorean. My '62 Lincoln is back in Michigan being fixed
up by a friend of mine. My goal is to never own a car with normal doors.
:)

-Christian




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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 17:29:04 -0000
From: "Sacha Prins" <sacha_at_dml_prins.net>
Subject: Re: Hitching a different ride.

 (Moderators note: Sacha is correct, this thread will not last very long. The replys have very little if anything to do with the intent of the DML, which is mainly the Delorean Automobile. If you wish to reply directly to the original poster, then please do so. This ends the "My Other Car" thread.)


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., petleech_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Just curious to know, but what do DeLorean owners drive other 
> than their beloved stainless cars? I don't whether its just 
> coincidence or a trend that most Owner's I've met own two exotics.

This thread probably won't last long, but...

I own 2 DeLoreans (16187[red+turbo] and 17115[ss]) one of which is
currently clinically dead due to a blown head gastket (at 47.000 Km).

My 'reliable' car is a 1989 Pontiac Grand Am.

Sacha





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