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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 682
Date: Saturday, August 25, 2001 3:39 AM

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There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Delorean in People Magazine
From: turbodmc_at_dml_hotmail.com

2. An alternative Speedo thought ...
From: "Nick Kemp" <nkemp_at_dml_pclink.com>

3. DeLorean Prototype
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>

4. Re: Delorean Parts prices Then and Now
From: turbodmc_at_dml_hotmail.com

5. Re: strange looking spoiler
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

6. Re: is a good mechanic is hard to find???
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

7. Re: my 'thunk' sound
From: Gary Valenziano <piason_at_dml_home.com>

8. Body Panel and Mold/Die Question.
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

9. Re: D for sale on ebay
From: "Jan van de Wouw" <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>

10. Optima battery defect
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

11. Re: Molds/Body Dies
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

12. Re: strange looking spoiler
From: "Jan van de Wouw" <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>

13. Re: Body Reproduction (was Body Dies, People Mag.. etc.)
From: "Andrei Cular" <acular1_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>

14. RE: my 'thunk' sound
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:46:25 -0000
From: turbodmc_at_dml_hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Delorean in People Magazine

Just my 2 cents regarding some prospective on the economic times of 
1982.The corvette production (the car the DeLorean was supposed to 
compete with)Typically had been on the order of 50,000 cars per year 
for many years, in 1982 The production of corvettes was half at around 
25,000 cars. I would think that much of this had to do with GM 
recognizing that the business was way off due to the economy.

Some more points of reference, sticker price for an 81 vett about $16 
K, sticker price for An 81 DeLorean 25K, sticker price for an 82 vett 
18K and 22k for the limited production Collectors edition, sticker 
price for an 82 DeLorean $34K .

My  point is that the DeLorean was not only released under less then 
Ideal economic times but it's Sticker price was more then 50% more 
then the corvette, which was the market that it was targeted to 
compete in.

One more observation, weren't most of the DeLorean dealer's GM dealers 
also? Wouldn't that mean that DeLorean dealers were also trying to 
sell Corvettes? 
Just looks like one more obstacle in the sale of the DeLorean at that 
time.

Mike D.





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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:52:27 -0500
From: "Nick Kemp" <nkemp_at_dml_pclink.com>
Subject: An alternative Speedo thought ...

I've often wondered if a backup speedo could be installed using a bike
speedometer. They usually use a small magnet on the wheel and then calibrate
the speedo to the tire size.   The problem is where to put the
magnet/pickup.  And as to the question of accuracy ... ????

Just a thought,

NK




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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:26:25 -0400
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>
Subject: DeLorean Prototype

Hunting on Ebay I found a review of the DeLorean prototype. It features a
pic of it split in two. For giggles, I merged the two halves together to get
one shot:

http://www.dolemite.com/prototype.jpg

It's interesting to note the differences. Is it my imagination or is the
engine actually IN the passenger compartment?

ps. If you want to bid on the item >>
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1181696188





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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:57:09 -0000
From: turbodmc_at_dml_hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Delorean Parts prices Then and Now

The Parts to any 20 year  car or even a 10 year old car will always 
have a greater value than the whole car.
Example, sell any old junk car to a junk yard and you will get maybe 
$100 for it. Go back the next day and try and by a door, hood, motor 
etc. and you will be paying more then $100 for each piece.

In almost all circumstances with almost all cars, a restoration will 
cost you more then the value of the completed project when done.  So 
like you said, you do it for the love of the car not the economics.

Mike D.







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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:32:40 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: strange looking spoiler

I can't tell for sure, but I've seen the same style spoiler on other 
DeLoreans before. It bolts onto the louvers above the grills. It 
looks nice from a distance, but it's curved, and looks a little out 
of place next to the straight slats of the louvers. The tips of the 
spoiler curve down and forward a bit. I don't know for sure what car 
it's from, but it reminds me of the type found on modern Mustangs.

As for the red behind the door seals. It looks like either a rope, or 
solid state strip lighting. An original idea for lighting I'd say! I 
would imagine it looks very nice at night.

More important is the engine comartment. It looks like theres a bit 
of rust on the cover, and the metal piece which holds the cover up.

-Robert
vin 6585


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> Another DeLorean just came up for auction on eBay, and this one has 
a really
> unique looking front spoiler that is definitely not OEM.  From the 
photos,
> it looks pretty good.  Can anyone say anything about it?
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=594619205&
> r=0&t=0
> 
> Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:36:09 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: is a good mechanic is hard to find???

It sounds like a good idea. But looking at photos around the net that 
people have taken while at their favorite service centers, they are 
swamped! I've never seen a picture of a DeLorean shop that doesn't 
look beyond busy!

-Robert
vin 6585



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Joe Thome" <joethome_at_dml_j...> wrote:
> Terrific idea Mike. While we're suggesting things we'd like to see, 
I'd like
> to see a good DeLorean mechanic make a scheduled run along the West 
Coast,
> perhaps once a year,  from San Diego to Seattle...
<SNIP>




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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:48:49 -0700
From: Gary Valenziano <piason_at_dml_home.com>
Subject: Re: my 'thunk' sound

I am no mechanic by any means but this sounds like my car when I first got it.
It was diagnosed as worn out rear hub bearings and after they were replaced the
sound was gone.

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com wrote:

> hey guys,
>
> i'm still trying to find the source of my 'thunk' sound i hear when making
> turns. 

> Andy



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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 19:59:20 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Body Panel and Mold/Die Question.

Recently, and in the past, the subject of the dies for the body 
panels comes up. As usual, the topic is one of 2 things: How could we 
slavage the dies, or, how could we recreate them? Well, there's one 
question that's been going thru my mind, that no one has seemed to 
answer yet. Assuming they were re created, or a spare set was saved 
from that watery fate; What in the world are we supposed to do with 
them once we have them? People are not exactly smashing up cars at 
any alarming rate that dictates a mass production of any 1 panel in 
the near future. And there is no more DeLoren Motor Company to build 
new cars to make the panels for. Even if there was, body panels would 
be the cheapest thing to buy/make. To keep the car economical, we 
would have to purchase every other item on the car in bulk. From 
engines to fir tree clips. Never mind at this moment we have no 
dealer network to sell the cars off.

Sorry to go off subject, and to bring everyone down. But it is the 
truth. Of course I'm somebody who's always willing to take up what 
everyone else thinks is a lost cause... ;)

-Robert
vin 6585




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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 22:05:54 -0000
From: "Jan van de Wouw" <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>
Subject: Re: D for sale on ebay

--- In dmcnews, "Cohee, Michael" wrote:
> Since we are all looking at the that car on ebay and
> commenting on the photos. I happened to notice on the
> picture of the instrument dash that the
> car is idleing but there is no voltage reading??? 

The car probably wasn't even running when the picture was taken!
Idle should be at about 750rpms, not 1100 as shown.
On DeLoreans it is quite common for the tach to "leap" when the 
ignition is turned off. My car allways jumps to around 2500rpm, but 
drops back as soon as I turn on the ignition.
The temp-needle doesn't drop that fast, neither does fuel, so when
the car was running, then shut down and the picture taken this is
nothing to worry about. If you really need proof I can send you 
a similar pic without the key even in the ignition...

Good luck on your search, just be carefull and compare 
a lot of cars before even bidding on one.

JAN van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

check out the Delorean-Files at:
http://www.deloreanfiles.nl/
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:13:07 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Optima battery defect

I just bought another Optima battery today and got in a long conversation
with the manager at Pep Boys.  He warned me not to charge any of the older
Optima batteries at a rate higher than 10 amps.  He said that doing so
carries a high risk of causing the battery to fail.  (Although they don't
leak, explode or do anything obvious other than quit working.)  Has anyone
on the list had an Optima fail yet?

My hunch on this problem is that Optima batteries charge so quickly that
manual charging is going to overcharge an Optima much faster than it would
an old-fashioned lead plate battery.

He said that newer Optima batteries (such as the one I just picked up today)
are made differently so that they are immune to this problem.  I asked if
there were any written bulletins from Optima about this, and his answer was
that the manufacture isn't going to announce anything officially.  So...
that reduces this whole posting to gossip.  Sorry.  I asked if there were
any identifiable markings on the battery to indicate if it is a newer or
older version, and he said he knew of none.  He suggested that the newer
ones appear to have a darker gray plastic for the lower case, but he wasn't
sure if this has anything to do with it.  He told me that Optima has made
several minor improvements with their batteries over time but never
officially announce them.

I realize that this posting has little do to with DeLoreans, but since so
many of us are using Optima batteries that I thought it was worth
mentioning.  Considering that the demands that the DeLorean can place on a
battery i.e., high shock & vibration being mounted over the rear suspension,
confined space that limits off-gassing, need for rapid recovery from weak
alternators at idle speed... I still feel that the Optima is the best choice
for the money in our application.

Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:14:28 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Molds/Body Dies

Scalar Electromechanics 101 time

Some of you may already know that technology exists to make metals change
states at room temperature, i.e. made to soften, liquefy and even vaporize
without being heated.  The science behind this is a subset of Scalar
Electromechanics and is rather fascinating if you are into that sort of
thing.  Where this concerns DeLoreans is that it would be an excellent
method for making new body panels.  Molds could be made from a non-metallic
material and then sheets of softened stainless steel could be easily shaped
in these molds.  When the phlogiston dissipates, the metal re-hardens and
voila!  A similar process has been used for some time now by specially
licensed defense contractors.  Where this gets real flaky is it is the same
basic technology that involved the Philadelphia Experiment.  For reasons of
national security it has been kept out of college physics courses for
decades, but that is changing.  How am I supposed to end this posting?  How
about:  "If I tell you any more then men in black suits are going to have to
kill you."  Seriously, if you are interested in this sort of thing, the
public library is a great place to start.  Look for patents & items written
by Patrick Flanagan.

Walt    Tampa, FL





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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 22:18:39 -0000
From: "Jan van de Wouw" <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>
Subject: Re: strange looking spoiler

--- In dmcnews, Travis Goodwin wrote:
> I've been studying the car. There's a couple of oddities about it.
> You noticed the front spoiler, but it also has a rear spoiler.
> Is that OEM? I've never actually seen a D with a rear spoiler.

I have seen a rear wing on a D before, but the ones I saw werent as 
"steep" as this one: the sat more on a horizontal plane.
On the font it looks like they replaced the airdam with one from 
another car or put a couple of bars across or something, 
I kinda like it. 

Since mine is still ok I'm leaving it alone, but when it does need to 
come off I plan on replacing the mesh with a piece of perforated  
plating and painting it black with a blank DMC-logo on it. (but
that's a dream for the future)
 
> In the shot of the interior, left of the binnacle it looks
> like he has a GPS or something with a small LCD screen. 

The thing to the left is a small pocketsize LCD television, probably 
made by Casio (I have a similar one). The thing on the center console 
looks like a radardetector or a charger for a cellular phone.
 
> And why is it that he doesn't mention the condition of the dash.
> He's got a mat, so it's got to be beaten up, but HOW bad? 

He DOES mention the dash:

<quote>
DASH IS IN TACT 
EXCEPT FOR ONE 1/2 INCH CRACK ABOVE THE GLOVE BOX
DASH MAT INCLUDED
<unquote>

It could very well be that he has the mat in there to reduce
windshield glare and/or to protect the dash from discoloring 
or cracking...
Having a mat on your dash doesn't automatically mean the dash is bad, 
just like wearing a cap or hat doesn't mean you have no hair; 
maybe you like to wear a cap???

Just my 2 cents,

JAN van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

check out the Delorean-Files at:
http://www.deloreanfiles.nl/
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:21:25 -0400
From: "Andrei Cular" <acular1_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Body Reproduction (was Body Dies, People Mag.. etc.)

If anyone is interested in this process for any part on the DeLorean or some
other project let me know.  I work for a company that does this.  We scanned
an existing 70ft boat, made the design changes then produced a new mold for
the company all in 5 months.

This is the same process I used on the headliner backing boards.  I now have
the molds if anybody would like a set.  We are able to take are probe to the
part so the car does not have to come apart to get the shape of the panels.


Andrei Cular
#2767



Engineering
Marine Concepts
Phone: 941-283-0800 Fax:941-283-3332
www.marineconcepts.com






----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <Gr8old1_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 5:33 PM
Subject: [DML] Body Reproduction (was Body Dies, People Mag.. etc.)


> Just as a side note i guess, There is a way to reproduce any parts
> needed, just so long as you have one of the original parts. Cad/Cam
> laser scanning. This involves just mounting the part on to a jig,
> then haveing a laser scanner go over the piece. Then on the machine,
> you can simply input a reference dimension, and the computer does the
> rest. This will allow you to accurately re machine any part.
>
> This was in fact done to an original Shelby Cobra a few years ago by
> a Swedish company, who then tweaked a few numbers to generate a
> tighter fit, better performance, etc.. The first reproduction of the
> vehicle was actually driven by Carroll Shelby from my recollection
> who was quite impressed.
>
>
> There is hope after all..
>
> -Jeff
> Norwich, CT.
> Future D owner.
> VIN # ????
>
>
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 06:43:01 -0500
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: my 'thunk' sound

Andy

Have you checked to make sure that your shocks are fastened tightly(top &
bottom)?  Also, check that your sway bar bushings are in and the clamps are
tight.  Are your body/chassis bolts and bushings tight.

I once lost one of the shock bell washers and also one of the sway bar
bushings.

Scott Mueller
DMCNEWS 002981
DOA 5031




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