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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 683
Date: Sunday, August 26, 2001 3:46 AM

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There are 18 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: DeLorean Prototype
From: "Jan van de Wouw" <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>

2. Where to put the inner door seal seam
From: "Jan van de Wouw" <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>

3. Re: Delorean Parts prices Then and Now
From: "Matthew David" <DMC5524_at_dml_hotmail.com>

4. RE: Delorean Parts prices Then and Now
From: "Glover, Max R" <max.r.glover_at_dml_intel.com>

5. Re: D for sale on ebay
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com

6. Re: Delorean in People Magazine
From: theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com

7. Water Leak-blower motor
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com

8. Door latch adjustment
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com

9. Universal joint
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>

10. Re: Where to put the inner door seal seam
From: "skipper landry" <sk1pper_at_dml_intersurf.com>

11. RE: Where to put the inner door seal seam
From: mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net

12. Re: Delorean in People Magazine
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

13. Re: Where to put the inner door seal seam
From: "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

14. Re: Door latch adjustment
From: "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

15. Re: Where to put the inner door seal seam
From: theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com

16. RE: Delorean in People Magazine
From: "Arnie Brandon" <Arnie_at_dml_PNDC.org>

17. Re: Water Leak-blower motor
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>

18. Re: Where to put the inner door seal seam
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 22:28:19 -0000
From: "Jan van de Wouw" <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>
Subject: Re: DeLorean Prototype

--- In dmcnews, Travis Goodwin  wrote:
> Hunting on Ebay I found a review of the DeLorean prototype.
[snip]
> http://www.dolemite.com/prototype.jpg
> It's interesting to note the differences.
> Is it my imagination or is the
> engine actually IN the passenger compartment?

If memory serves me right the DeLorean was supposed to be a
MID-engined car in the initial development.
Having the engine in front of the rear wheels would involve 
moving a lot of things forward, including the rear wall of 
the passenger compartment.

When they switched to the rear-engine setup we are all driving today 
they could put the wall backward, creating the parcelshelf above the 
gearbox we know now.

JAN van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

check out the Delorean-Files at:
http://www.deloreanfiles.nl/
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 22:49:37 -0000
From: "Jan van de Wouw" <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>
Subject: Where to put the inner door seal seam

Hello,

I'm in the middle of replacing my headliners at the moment; I just
took them out and am removing the old fabric right now.

Since the door seals had to come off anyway and were really bad 
(a rip about 10" long at the RH windshield corner for example) 
and caused my Passenger door to jam a little bit, 
I decided to replace the inner seals while I was at it.

I'll probably get around to re installing the seals this sunday, so 
there should be enough time for me to get response from you:

Where is the seam between the two ends of the seal supposed to be?
I was told by someone to put it just above the doorswitches at the 
front of the door, but on my LH door the seam was at the sill in the 
middle above the DMC letters and at the RH door the seam was in the 
straght piece above the arm rest.

I've seen some other cars and pictures and I can't really say there's
a favorite place for the seam... 

At the front of the doors seams logical since there's not that much 
spray there, but couldn't water creep in if the seam was in a
vertical piece of seal?

Hope to hear from you all soon,

JAN van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

check out the Delorean-Files at:
http://www.deloreanfiles.nl/
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 23:35:00 +0000
From: "Matthew David" <DMC5524_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean Parts prices Then and Now

>No,the Main point that I was trying to MAKE is that our cars are
>worth more in parts than as a car in whole!

I hate to tell you this but a DeLorean is not a Ferrari, as you compared it 
to in your letter. Also, it may come as a big surprise to you but the 
majority of vehicles out there, both new and used are worth far more in 
parts than they are complete. Don't believe me? Go to a local dealership and 
compare the price of a car on the lot with the prices of all the parts to 
build it from the parts department.

I for one spend alot of time around "exotic" or top end cars. Parts prices 
for the DeLorean aren't just cheap, they are easily and quickly available. 
The next time you complain about DeLorean parts prices think about this. A 
tune up for one of the several Mercedes I deal with costs several hundred 
dollars ($800 for a distributor cap)and requires several weeks of wait time 
to be shipped from Germany.

And because I don't post often I would like to add one more thought. What 
exactly is the definition of exotic? Does it have to be foreign? Rare? 
Expensive? I for one don't consider the DeLorean to be all that exotic. 
Don't get me wrong, I love my DeLorean, it's the only car I drive on a 
regular basis. But I drive it all the time because it is one of the cheapest 
vehicles to operate and maintain that I have access to. Maybe it just 
depends on each individuals surroundings. But compared to the 1967 Shelby GT 
500 (valued at over $60,000) or the right hand drive Rolls Royce (worth who 
knows how much)I just don't consider the Delorean to be all that exotic. 
What about a Citroen? Or a Merkur? Are they exotics in this country?

Please don't take this as a personal attack, all this has been building for 
a while and I guess I'm just letting off some steam. I would be interested 
in anybody's feedback either off list or on.

Thank you,

Matthew D. Cooley
DMC VIN 5524


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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:00:18 -0700
From: "Glover, Max R" <max.r.glover_at_dml_intel.com>
Subject: RE: Delorean Parts prices Then and Now

I am no economics guru or anything, but I think that a 52% increase since
1982 isn't bad at all.  Looking at Consumer Price Index conversion factors
as compared to the year 2000 here:

http://www.orst.edu/Dept/pol_sci/fac/sahr/cv2000.pdf

It seems like $1000 dollars in 1982 would be roughly equal to $1786 in 2000
(1000/.560).  So  a 52% increase isn't too bad after all.  Please correct me
if I am wrong.  I also believe that comparing the value of the car itself to
the value of parts is like comparing apples to oranges.  Most vehicles
depreciate each year; the fact that Deloreans have overcome this
depreciation is impressive in itself.  Parts on the other hand, are a
commodity in continued circulation and will more than likely adhere to the
simple economics of inflation coupled with supply and demand.  I do agree
that the idea of buying a $5000 Delorean is treacherous from a financial
standpoint, but may very well be worth it to restore it as a hobby, or to
make sure the restoration is complete and done "correctly" (all in the eyes
of the owner, of course).  It's the automotive equivalent of survival of the
fittest, further swelled in our case because our cars are 20 years old.
There will always be parts cars, and as far as I'm concerned they would do
better to sustain the rest of us in some fashion rather than being crushed.
Years ago I had a couple of Merkur XR4Ti's, and those were plain ridiculous
in regards to parts vs. car value.  A radiator for that car was roughly 1/3
of what the car was worth; a motor or tranny swap would put you upside-down.
But, I loved driving those cars nonetheless. So, I agree with your thinking
as it pertains to "bargain" cars, but purchasing a nicer example makes more
financial sense in the long run.  In addition, I am not one to depend on the
predicted value of our cars, but I will say that it looks like we are in a
valley right now because of the economy as well as the simple fact that
people may be beginning to forget about them.  As much as I hate to say
this(zipping up my flame suit), I believe that when the BTTF movies are
released on DVD our cars will enjoy the same resurgence as the movie (that
is not necessarily a good thing). But my reasons for ownership have nothing
with these economics,  I bought one because I always wanted one. Sorry,
enough of my rambling, just stick to the rule of $20,000 as a starting point
and from there prioritize why you drive these wonderful cars.

Max Glover
#5284




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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 21:41:37 EDT
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: D for sale on ebay

In a message dated 8/24/01 5:56:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
mcohee_at_dml_cfginc.com writes:

<<  I happened to notice on the picture of the instrument dash that the
 car is idleing but there is no voltage reading???  >>
Mike,

     When the ignition key is turned off, the RPM gauge needle stays in the 
last spot it was in before the key was turned off.  Same things goes for the 
temp guage.

Later,
Nick Pitello
1852
<A HREF="Http://members.aol.com/njp548">Http://members.aol.com/njp548</A>



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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 02:20:20 -0000
From: theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Delorean in People Magazine

> One more observation, weren't most of the DeLorean dealer's GM
dealers 
> also? Wouldn't that mean that DeLorean dealers were also trying to 
> sell Corvettes? 
> Just looks like one more obstacle in the sale of the DeLorean at
that 
> time.
> 
> Mike D.

No, most of the dealers were Cadillac dealers.  JZD specifically chose
dealers that weren't selling competing models.

John Yeoman





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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 23:11:53 EDT
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Water Leak-blower motor

Hello List,
    After driving home in the rain yesterday I noticed that the passenger 
side carpet was absolutely soaked. (AC was not running at all so that isn't 
the problem)  later in the day when it was nice outside I took a hose and 
tried to find out where the water is getting in.  Water that goes into the 
drain below the windshield goes into the car.  It leaks out all around the 
blower motor.  I see that the water is supposed to dump out water near the 
top of the fuel pump and not in your car.  Water comes out by the fuel pump 
very well to so I know that drain is not clogged.  What could be the problem?
Thanks
David
IN2TIME-MICH

    



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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 01:43:18 EDT
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Door latch adjustment

Hey List,

     I've been having a problem with the linkage adjustment on my passenger 
door.  One of the problems was that when opening the door, the rear latch 
would unlatch first.  I think I did get that fixed the other day, but for 
some reason when opening with the outside handle, it doesn't open the door 
until the handle is at the highest part of its travel, unlike my drivers door 
which opens once I lift up on the handle.  When I was trying to adjust the 
linkage for the external cable, I ran into a problem with the front latch and 
it being pre-loaded and when trying to lock the door then unlocking the door, 
the pre-load on the front latch would make it stuck in the lock position.  
The only way I could fix that problem was to disconnect the front latch 
release link from the bellcrank assembly and to readjust the external cable.  
I think what I am going to have to do in order to fix this correctly is to 
take all the rods off of the bellcrank assembly for the door locks, and then 
try to adjust the door opening linkage and then re-adjust the door lock 
linkage.  Anyone else have any ideas what I could do before I do this?  Any 
help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!

Later,
Nick Pitello
1852
<A HREF="Http://members.aol.com/njp548">Http://members.aol.com/njp548</A>



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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 15:27:47 +0100
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: Universal joint

Last resort, the news group

I've undone nuts and bolts , I've pushed and pulled, rocked and rolled and removed 1 knuckle, But NO that univerasal joint on the steering rack won't "Slide up the pinion enough to release it" as the manual says.

It slides easily up and down just not far enough to get it of. Looking at the slot that the pinch bolt closes theres plenty of space for it to slide. but it just stops dead.

Someone put me out of my frustration


Paul
6463 


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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 11:28:35 -0500
From: "skipper landry" <sk1pper_at_dml_intersurf.com>
Subject: Re: Where to put the inner door seal seam

are you putting on new or the old? if its the old, doesnt it have a shape to
it already? if its new and you have no defined shape, i like the outside,
the closest to the ground. just my $.02



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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 12:24:24 -0400
From: mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net
Subject: RE: Where to put the inner door seal seam

Jan,
I hope you trimed the headliner at the radius.  The headliner hits (rubs)on the door seal and wears it out.  Trim about a 1/4" off radius before putting neew headliner material on then the same problem will not happen again.

Jim Sawyer
4149 "ELMO" 


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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 09:33:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean in People Magazine

if someone just gets really bored one day, could they just post all the dealers online someplace? people ask all the time where dealers were (not all of us have that nifty dealer brochure, and we are curious to where dealers are!), and it would save a lot of excessive posting on this subject if someone could volunteer to post it in the vault, or something. just an idea. -Louie

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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 12:36:10 -0400
From: "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Where to put the inner door seal seam

just above the switches is how it is in my car.

That should be fine.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan van de Wouw" <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>
Subject: [DML] Where to put the inner door seal seam

> I decided to replace the inner seals while I was at it.
>
> I'll probably get around to re installing the seals this sunday, so
> there should be enough time for me to get response from you:
>
> Where is the seam between the two ends of the seal supposed to be?
>
> JAN van de Wouw
> Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
> Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...
>



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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 12:39:09 -0400
From: "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Door latch adjustment

I have the same problem and my rear latch on the passenger side door now
pops open when I hit a major bump?  any ideas?


----- Original Message -----
From: <njp548_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: [DML]Door latch adjustment


> Hey List,
>
>      I've been having a problem with the linkage adjustment on my
passenger
> door.



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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:05:39 -0000
From: theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Where to put the inner door seal seam

Jan, the seam in both of my door seals is in the middle of the sill
above the DMC.

John Yeoman




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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:20:38 -0700
From: "Arnie Brandon" <Arnie_at_dml_PNDC.org>
Subject: RE: Delorean in People Magazine

JZD didn't specifically choose any one car dealer, he chose any and all
dealers that would pay the $25,000 etc, etc, etc.  In the Seattle area we
had two (2) Ford dealers two (2) Chevy dealers one (1) Dodge and one (1)
Honda dealer.  The Honda company stopped that DeLorean dealership real
quickly, some three (3) months after the first DeLorean arrived at the
showroom.  Bellevue Honda, in business today, was given a choice---DeLorean
or Honda.  They chose Honda, wise choice.
Arnie
Pacific Northwest DeLorean Club
Owner since 1982

-----Original Message-----
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] Delorean in People Magazine


> One more observation, weren't most of the DeLorean dealer's GM
dealers
> also? Wouldn't that mean that DeLorean dealers were also trying to
> sell Corvettes?
> Just looks like one more obstacle in the sale of the DeLorean at
that
> time.
>
> Mike D.

No, most of the dealers were Cadillac dealers.  JZD specifically chose
dealers that weren't selling competing models.

John Yeoman






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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 18:12:33 -0000
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
Subject: Re: Water Leak-blower motor

Again, it seems I've had the exact same problem as you.  While my car 
was sitting outside this spring waiting for some decent weather to 
come along so I could get it running again, it sat uncovered though a 
weekend of about 3-4 inches of rain.  Monday I went into the car to 
get somthing, when I saw about 6 inches of water filling up the 
passenger side tub.  This included the battery compartment, lucky for 
me I removed the battery a few days earier.  I couldn't find where the 
water was coming from, and was getting parainod that a neighbor might 
be dumping the water in it.  After bailing out more water after 
another soaking with the car locked, I looked to other sources.  After 
drying the carpets for probably the 4th or 5th time, I pulled them all 
out, including the seat, and shoved my head under the dash.  I could 
see a faint hint of daylight looking up from under there.  What had 
happened was that the sealant used to glue the fresh-air intake box to 
the body, had shrunk.  This left several gaps in the front wall, where 
the water absolutely poured through.  This isn't the worst part.  The 
worst part is actually sealing it back up.  The best way to do this 
would be to physically remove the entire HVAC controll box, and there 
wasn't a chance in Hell, Mich. I was going to do that.  It is a very 
narrow and deep crevace between the HVAC box and front wall which you 
need to reach up into to seal.  Again, not so bad if your a small guy 
like me, but even I was having trouble.  It took countless attempts of 
sealing from underneith, and I even took the grille below the 
windshield off and dumped sealant around the fresh air box there.  I 
really dont know what I did to eventually block the leak, but 
thankfully I dont have it anymore.  I acually have this problem of 
shrinking sealant throughout my entire car.  All my windows have small 
leaks around thier glue (noticable in a high pressure carwash), and 
several other areas of sealant on the car are showing the signs of 
age.  I sure hope this doesn't become a chronic problem on our cars, 
and if it does, at least mine will already be taken care of.  :-)  
Good luck David.

Jim Reeve
MNDMC - Minnesota DeLorean Club
DMC-6960

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Delorean17_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Hello List,
>     After driving home in the rain yesterday I noticed that the 
passenger 
> side carpet was absolutely soaked. Water that goes 
into the 
> drain below the windshield goes into the car.  It leaks out all 
around the 
> blower motor.





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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:06:17 +0100
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
Subject: Re: Where to put the inner door seal seam

I think near the door light switches is the best place. Remember to give the
door seal a good spray with silicone before you close the door for the first
time. This reduces the chances of trapping / splitting it before it has time
to "bed in".

Chris P  DOC UK




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