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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 684
Date: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:59 AM

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There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Delorean Parts prices Then and Now
From: "B Benson" <>

2. Re: inner door seal seam / new headliners (another long one)
From: "Jan van de Wouw" <>

3. Prices!
From: Les Huckins <>

4. Re: Delorean in People Magazine

5. Molds/Body Dies
From: "Michael Quinto" <>

6. Re: DeLorean Prototype
From: Jack The Stripper <>

7. Re: Universal joint
From: Jim Strickland <>

8. Re: Delorean Parts prices Then and Now

9. PJ Grady's Performance shocks

10. DeLorean Car Show Update

11. Re: Universal joint
From: "Paul Salsbury" <>

12. Dealers
From: "Andrew B" <>

13. Used drivers side window regulator?

14. Re: Molds/Body Dies
From: Bob Brandys <>

Message: 1
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 14:47:23 -0700
From: "B Benson" <>
Subject: Re: Delorean Parts prices Then and Now

Webster defines exotic as foreign or strange. I think the DeLorean qualifies
as both. Certainly it has no long racing heritage like some cars have but I
can guarantee that parked next to that $60,000 Shelby Mustang it will steal
all the attention. Actually the Shelby 500 wasn't a whole lot more than a
big engined Mustang that had a few after market items installed in Shelby's
shop. The '65/66 Mustangs were the true Shelby's. Perhaps it's because I've
worked for Ford long enough to have been there when the Shelby Mustangs were
marketed that I find it hard to consider the Mustang an exotic. In any event
IMHO the DeLorean offers more exotica for the buck than any other car out

Bruce Benson

>But compared to the 1967 Shelby GT
> 500 (valued at over $60,000) or the right hand drive Rolls Royce (worth
> knows how much)I just don't consider the Delorean to be all that exotic.
> What about a Citroen? Or a Merkur? Are they exotics in this country?
> Please don't take this as a personal attack, all this has been building
> a while and I guess I'm just letting off some steam. I would be interested
> in anybody's feedback either off list or on.
> Thank you,
> Matthew D. Cooley
> DMC VIN 5524


Message: 2
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 22:42:58 -0000
From: "Jan van de Wouw" <>
Subject: Re: inner door seal seam / new headliners (another long one)

Hello again,

First of all thanks to everyone who responded; I'm putting the seal 
next to the switches; that seems most logical and is supposed to be 
where the factory put them...
My seals are brand new ones I got through someone from our club who 
ordered them from the DOC UK (Chris Parnham if I'm correct...).

--- In dmcnews, Jim Sawyer wrote:
> I hope you trimed the headliner at the radius. 
> The headliner hits (rubs)on the door seal and wears it out. 
> Trim about a 1/4" off radius before putting neew headliner
> material on then the same problem will not happen again.

I had to read this post three times before I under stood which radius
I was supposed to trim... The third time I figured out it's the curved
bit of the shells the fabric is glued on in the doors that is meant 
right? If so, no problem; the didn't rub in the first place...

What caused my seals to tear is quite simple: 
one of the previous 4 owners re-did the headliners before,
but did a TERRIBLE job at getting it right... 

- For starters he did only the doors and the front piece.
- Second he did all three pieves out of the car, without any extra
  fabric to glue onto the body. Instead of this he'd glued strips 
  of fabric onto the body above the T-roof-shell...
- Third (and worst) was seating the seals in the wrong manner, which 
  caused them to sit NEXT TO the ridge the seals sit on in stead of 
  straight above. This way every time the door was closed the seal
  was pinched in between the ss of the door and the ridge,
  thus tearing the seal. This also caused my door to shift slightly
  backwards when closing, making opening it a two-hand-procedure
  (or hand-and-knee from the inside).

I've just finished glueing the fabric onto the shells and will be 
putting them back in tomorrow AFTER I get me some sillicone-spray to 
put on the seals (thanks for the reminder Chris) when I put them on.

So far I've had a great time working, 
it's a great way to forget my troubled love-life for a while  ;-)

JAN van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

check out the Delorean-Files at:


Message: 3
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:25:38 +0000
From: Les Huckins <>
Subject: Prices!

About that thread, all I can think of is thank God we can get what we
need, that we have outstanding vendors who really go all out, making
heavy investments to supply our wants.  Price is certainly secondary, if
you couldn't get the part you need to keep your car running, what would
it be worth then..  Remember when you couldn't get gasoline?  Did it
really matter what the price was when you could finally fill your tank?
I know there's sticker shock, so what!

My .002 cents worth.


Message: 4
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 23:28:48 EDT
Subject: Re: Delorean in People Magazine

In a message dated 8/25/01 12:01:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, writes:

Im actually in the process of doing that right now and loading it to the net. 
I have one of those brochures on ebay along with an owners manual and pouch, 
etc, and I have been trying to catalog all of the dealers before I send it 
out to the high bidder.

Look for this to be ready sometime soon.


<< Subj:     Re: [DML] Delorean in People Magazine
 Date:  8/25/01 12:01:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time
 From: (Louie Golden)
 if someone just gets really bored one day, could they just post all the 
dealers online someplace? >>


Message: 5
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 19:31:33 -0700
From: "Michael Quinto" <>
Subject: Molds/Body Dies

Hello list,
 I do agree that there is no need to once again produce the panels. But then again, "The Hood".
I would like to have my gas flap hood back. Some time after I purchased my DeLorean the front hood was damaged. So I had to replace it with the only hoods available from DMC Houston.
This would be the only body panel to me that would be worth reproducing.

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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 00:02:01 -0400
From: Jack The Stripper <>
Subject: Re: DeLorean Prototype

Does anyone know if any of the DeLorean prototypes are still in existence?


Travis Goodwin wrote:

> Hunting on Ebay I found a review of the DeLorean prototype. 


Message: 7
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 03:26:00 -0400
From: Jim Strickland <>
Subject: Re: Universal joint

I was just fist-fighting my rack and pinion a few weeks ago... I'll also
admit that that u-joint on the rack was a pain to get off- not much room
to get any sort of leverage..  I unbolted the tightening bolt on the
joint, tried to spread it a bit with a screwdriver.  I then stuffed a
flat head inside the lower U on the U-joint to push the rack's splined
shaft downward.  That helped the movement a bit.  After a half hour I
think I just started yanking on the old rack and hitting it with various
objects I could find- you know, mitre saw, 5-lb hammer.  I can't recall
exactly.  Maybe the beer or maybe I'm just trying to block it out of my
mind.  It does come off, but certainly with a bit of force..  good luck.


On Sat, 25 Aug 2001 15:27:47 +0100 "Paul Salsbury"
<> writes:
> Last resort, the news group
> I've undone nuts and bolts , I've pushed and pulled, rocked and 
> rolled and removed 1 knuckle, But NO that univerasal joint on the 
> steering rack won't "Slide up the pinion enough to release it" as 
> the manual says.
> It slides easily up and down just not far enough to get it of. 


Message: 8
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 07:41:03 -0000
Subject: Re: Delorean Parts prices Then and Now

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Glover, Max R" <max.r.glover_at_dml_i...> wrote:
> I am no economics guru or anything, but I think that a 52% increase 
since 1982 isn't bad at all.  Looking at Consumer Price Index conversion 
factors as compared to the year 2000.
> Max Glover
> #5284

Again my MAIN point is Exactly what is happening to this Bricklin on 
ViewItem&item=594707298&r=0&t=0 The Car to parts value ON a RARE car 
such as this perfectly restorable Bricklin,being parted out for no 
other reason,but to make a buck,THEREBY reducing the world to one 
less rare car.Again the majority of Delorean owners are middle class 
owners,and don't have money to throw away on NOS overpriced 
parts..One only has to look on Ebay to see the feeding frenzy,when a 
hot Delorean part/or borderline Delorean  is put up on auction,To 
prove my point that NOS is overpriced,One more time for the 
HARDHEADED,the main point,is the GREED to PART out a GOOD 
DELOREAN,Bricklin,Ferrari,ECT ECT,Just to make a BUCK,because of the 
inflated NOS parts MAKING the CAR worth parting out Because,the used 
parts prices trail behind NOS parts prices,Making it worth more to 
part,rather than restore,Again the ONLY Deloreans that I have ever 
parted,were Deloreans,that  were impossible to restore,those cars are 
serving a purpose,and being recycled,But to take a Delorean that 
needs some  NOS parts,and part it out,for no reason but the value of 
the car as parts is what my main point is.DON'T destroy a Delorean 
just To make a BUCK!!  



Message: 9
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 09:12:27 EDT
Subject: PJ Grady's Performance shocks

Does anyone know the appropriate pressure settings for the performance 
adjustable shocks that PJ Grady sells?


Message: 10
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 12:40:18 EDT
Subject: DeLorean Car Show Update

Lots of planning has been going on the past month or so and I thank all of 
you that registered early.  It made me aware that I way underestimated the 
crowd.  As a result a lot of things have changed.  Mainly things have been 
added and I am still working on pricing.  Once that is done I will announce 
the event registration.  I think you all will be pleased at what we are 
doing.  I will work to out do Cleveland and with these changes I think I am 
Because of Memphis being a music City the show will feature music from all 
eras and if you like music and cars then you will enjoy everything we are 
(plenty of shopping and sightseeing for the ones that are not into cars.  
Many antique dealers nearby.)

The second item is, I would like to remind all of you that Ken Montgomery has 
his show coming up in September in California.  He is working with the 
Briklin and Mercedes groups and this looks to be a very interesting show.  As 
you know I have worked to get the Gullwing cars along with Lotus to be at my 
shows and I have but in limited numbers.

Ken has put a lot of time into the show and I hope you all support him.  
These shows make it possible to get together as a group and I believe they 
help to promote the cars and to help the value of the car.

Kens registration web site is

Hope to see you there

If there are any DeLorean owners that would like to help and have stage, 
audio video and lighting experience please contact me privately.

The Radisson for the Memphis show stil have some rooms left
You must mention you are with the car show to get the discount price of $89 
for any room they have left in the block.

It also looks like there are going to be a lot more cars coming to Memphis 
that I had originally planned.  Not sure if Clevelands numbers are at risk 
but Cincinnati's numbers will easily be beat.

I also have a few of the specialty DeLoreans coming (these are ones not seen 
in Cleveland) and you have to come to find out which ones they are.


There are a lot of new owners out there and I have recieved a number of 
e-mails over the last month or so along with a few calls wanting to know what 
group I am affiliated with.  
The DeLorean Car Show an independent non profit corporation that has 
no affiliations with any group or club.  There are no fees or dues and it is 
run strictly as an independent event for the enjoyment of our cars.
However the intent of the show is to allow all of the existing clubs and 
groups to participate in the show however they want and this year I am 
pleased to say I have more clubs participating than ever before.
If you want a table to display or sell items in Memphis please let me know or 
write it down on you registration form (its free).
This is in response to people that wanted to Join the DeLorean Car Show and 
wanted to know how to register. Thanks but I don't think I could handle the 
paperwork LOL  The show is open to everyone.

Thank you for your support

<A HREF="">DeLorean Car Show</A>

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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 19:31:53 +0100
From: "Paul Salsbury" <>
Subject: Re: Universal joint

IT came off.....yep I did it

Loads of penitrating oil, a bottle of beer and ignore the damn thing for an
hour....Hey presto it slide right of first time after that.

I thought it was just me.  I am not alone!!!

Paul 6463

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Strickland" <>
Subject: Re: [DML] Universal joint

> I was just fist-fighting my rack and pinion a few weeks ago... I'll also
> admit that that u-joint on the rack was a pain to get off- not much room
> to get any sort of leverage.. 


Message: 12
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 15:35:30 -0400
From: "Andrew B" <>
Subject: Dealers

I've just been wondering... Was there ever a DeLorean dealership in Vermont?
Or did the chain never make it this far north? If there was one, chances are
I'd go hunt it down just to see it and look around for any interesting old
things laying around the place :)


Message: 13
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 18:40:41 EDT
Subject: Used drivers side window regulator?

Hey List,

     My drivers side window regulator doesn't work...original say no more.  
But I just wanted to send a post to the DML asking if anyone has their 
original drivers side window regulator that does work and they have lying 
around since they replaced it with the upgraded heavier duty one and they 
don't want it anymore?  If so, e-mail me privately and tell me how much you 
want for it.  I just need something to tide me over til I get the upgraded 
regulators.  Thanks!

Nick Pitello
<A HREF="Http://">Http://</A>


Message: 14
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 11:54:36 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <>
Subject: Re: Molds/Body Dies

I retrofitted the gas flap into my hood.  All the parts to do this are available for about $100.   A careful good sheet metal worker can do this.

Bob Brandys

Michael Quinto wrote:

> Hello list,
>  I do agree that there is no need to once again produce the panels. But then again, "The Hood".
> I would like to have my gas flap hood back. Some time after I purchased my DeLorean the front hood was damaged.


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