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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 690
Date: Friday, August 31, 2001 2:26 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. spare tires
From: "Cohee, Michael" <mcohee_at_dml_cfginc.com>

2. Re: DMC Sunshade rocks!
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

3. Re: Re: Winner of the Gold DeLorean
From: Jack The Stripper <motti_at_dml_optonline.net>

4. Re: Winner of the Gold DeLorean
From: theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com

5. Re: Re: GM Engine
From: at88mph_at_dml_mobis.com

6. rust prevention
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

7. New window switches available!
From: "James" <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

8. Re: It's the little things...!
From: "M.C. de Bruin" <debruin_at_dml_dia.eur.nl>

9. Re: GM Engine
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>

10. Re: It's the little things...!
From: "Eric J. Hennebury" <ehennebury_at_dml_redcelsius.com>

11. DeLorean in Toronto
From: "marvin" <marv_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com>

12. RE: Re: GM Engine
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

13. Pic of '81 Radio
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>

14. Re: GM Engine - Conversion Prices Exceeds Car's
From: jus4sho_at_dml_aol.com

15. Re: spare tires
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>

16. Re: Re: GM Engine
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>

17. Packard Tranny? [was: GM Engine]
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

18. Re: Re: It's the little things...!
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

19. Re: Pic of '81 Radio
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

20. euro spec?
From: "Cameron Putsch" <putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu>

21. Re: spare tires
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

22. No passenger side door lights
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com

23. Re: rust prevention
From: MysticalAMX_at_dml_aol.com

24. Re: DeLorean in Toronto
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

25. Re: Pic of '81 Radio
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:44:48 -0400
From: "Cohee, Michael" <mcohee_at_dml_cfginc.com>
Subject: spare tires

While test driving a DeLorean I found out from the owner (it seems with
Deloreans there is always something new to find out) that because the D has
two different size tires there is no place for two diff. spares. Just
curious how other owners deal with their spare tires??? Just use a temporary
tire??? Does the temp rim fit both the front and the rear???? 

Mike c
vinless in baltimore


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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 21:05:52 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: DMC Sunshade rocks!

I agree, the sunshade is great! I've never had any dificulties in 
getting the top to stay on. The elastic that's sewn into the top 
corners has never come off, even on windy days. I always put the 
shade on like this:

1. Open both doors, and raise the windshield wipers.
2. Latch the elastic straps on the bottom onto the striker pins.
3. Slide the top corners of the cover around the windshield corners.
4. Pull the bottom of the cover as far down on te glass as possible.
5. Pull the sides out to tighten.
6. Put the wiperblades down, and THEN close the doors.

Takes a little more time than a traditional sunshade, but it is worth 
it! And, if you really want to keep you car it coolest, park it east-
west. That way the sunshade will protect the front, and the louvers 
will cover the back.

-Robert
vin 6585


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_a...> wrote:
<SNIP>
...To keep cool in the mean time, I decided to order one of the 
custom fit
> window shades from DMC Houston.  Let me say this.....IT MAKES A BIG
> DIFFERENCE!  
<SNIP> 
> P.S.  i am thinking of modifying the shade slightly.  I want to put 
an
> elastic band that goes across the top part from torsion bar to 
torsion bar
> (something that will stretch tight, and have velcro in the middle 
to hook
> together)  This should give it a slightly snugger fit on the top.




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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:44:33 -0400
From: Jack The Stripper <motti_at_dml_optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Winner of the Gold DeLorean

It also says it's the only one with a saddle interior.

Joe

Dmc3360_at_dml_aol.com wrote:

> I thought the Gold DeLorean in the bank in Snyder was one of the two original
> American Express cars.  Also the one in the bank in Snyder had a black
> interior.  The other American Express car has the saddle interior and is in a
> museum.  The third gold DeLorean is the one in Maryland and it is for sale
> and was at the Cleveland show.  It was the last one made using spare panels
> originally produced for the two original cars and also has a saddle interior.
>  Reading the article on Joe's website it says the car for sale in Maryland
> was the one in the Snyder Bank.  Didint seem correct to me but I may be wrong.
>
> Gary

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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 22:45:21 -0000
From: theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Winner of the Gold DeLorean

I covered all of this in post #15741, but here is a quick synopsis.

20105-last car built, tan interior, automatic, privately owned

2 Amex DeLoreans:
4300-tan interior, 5 speed, located in Nat'l Auto Museum in Reno, NV
4301-black interior, automatic, Bank in Snyder, TX

As far as I know, the Snyder Bank D is still in Snyder.
The one James RG referred to could be the one in Reno.

John Yeoman

> Al Nelson wrote:
>
> Question:  The picture of the gold DeLorean on Joe's
> website indeed looks like the last car, vin 20105,
> since it was supposedly the only one with the
> camel-colored interior (right?).

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:53:09 -0500
From: at88mph_at_dml_mobis.com
Subject: Re: Re: GM Engine

Walter wrote:
>
> I was talking to a local Camero affectionado who thinks that his LS-1
block
> is the same size as the Northstar V8.  Is this so?  He says that the block
> is available in aluminum.  >


All LS1's are iron blocks w/ aluminum heads, the LS1 won't fit into the
DeLorean without SERIOUS modifications to the engine bay, frame, and
extending out the rear of the car.  Before I installed my Vortec 4.3, I
considered a LT1 or LS1.  Neither would come close to fitting and there is
the weight distribution problem as well.   Even with the Vortec, I had to
cut a small piece of the rear facia on the engine side for the water pump
clearence (I have the short pump installed, not the long pump!)  For more
info on the LS1, you can goto www.ls1.com


>I would like to consider installing a front wheel drive engine &
> transmission in place of the DeLorean stuff.  Has anyone considered this
> idea?

I'm thinkin that it would be a transmission nightmare and WAY more trouble
than it would be worth.

> I'm not afraid to do whatever it takes.
>
> Walt    Tampa, FL

Well, if money is no object, I'm sure you can find someone to tackle
anything you may have in mind.  Even installing the LS1! :)

Good luck!


Duke





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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 20:41:55 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: rust prevention

Hello All,

my 82 D has a small rust problem (i think).  starting at around the 
transmission area, the frame has some cracking epoxy and red-tinted spots are 
showing up (ever since i bought it last year).  there is a small spot on the 
driver's side rear strut tower that looks damaged, as in there is a chunk 
missing and it looks like something hit it really hard and cracked it. i'm 
not sure if this is rust damage or not, i don't think it is. i'm wondering 
what the best thing to do would be as far as preventing any further damage.

is it recommended to scrape away all the affected areas (in my case, 
basically at the rear wishbone and back), paint with POR-15, then use a 
rubberized undercoating?  

anyone who has done this project well, please drop me a line!  i won't be 
doing this job for quite a while but i want to know what i am up against.

andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 02:26:59 -0000
From: "James" <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: New window switches available!

The new window switches we announced in the current issue of 
"deloreans" and "DeLorean World" will be available next week. These 
are the production units that we showed the samples of at our recent 
open house.

This is a reproduction window switch that we have had specially 
manufactured for us. Original window switches have gone out of stock 
some time ago, and the previously sourced replacement was too narrow 
for some tastes - and it, too, had become scarce.

Our new window switch is custom manufactured for the DeLorean, and is 
the same style, size and design as the original. The quality is top 
notch, much like the reproduction door handles we had made earlier.

The previous window switches were $74.95 each, but we have been able 
to lower the price on this reproduction switch to just $49.95 each, 
or $89.95 for a pair. Order from our web site today to ensure 
quickest delivery.

Coming soon - reproduction defrost and "on/off" switches. Also, watch 
for an update on the SunStar model late next week!

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
http://www.delorean.com




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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:30:55 +0200
From: "M.C. de Bruin" <debruin_at_dml_dia.eur.nl>
Subject: Re: It's the little things...!

My '81 also has the exhaust tips and I like the look as well. I'm not sure if
it was bought with these tips in the eighties though. Some people in our club
are not sure they are originial because they are a bit wider then other
models with these tips.
If this is true then there should be a simple solution. Get some stainless
steel pipe and cut tips of them and weld them to your exhaust pipe.

Mads
#06881


Les Huckins wrote:

> Like the exhaust tips!  My '82 has these great looking exhaust tips.
> I've recently purchased an '83 and it has just the polished
> pipes...pathetic!  Does anyone have a lead to emulation tips?  Pipes are
> about 1 3/4" OD, Tip OD is about 2 1/2" (slant cut, of course).  Please
> help if you can, I'm burning up a lot of time in this hunt.  (Or hey, if
> you're destroying something that you can remove the tips from that might
> work too, I'm open).
>
> Thanks, Les
>




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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:48:02 -0400
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>
Subject: Re: GM Engine

I agree. Economically it is not a sound conversion. This is assuming you're
cheap like me. If I had the bread to throw around, I'd get Richard to drop
one in. The idea gets me all giddy, but it makes my butt pucker to think
that a new drivetrain is almost double what I paid for the whole car.

> Message: 17
>    Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:40:21 -0400
>    From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
> Subject: Re: Re: GM Engine
> 
> Correct me if I'm wrong but from past postings on the DML I 
> believe the Northstar engine conversion has a price tag of 
> around $20,000. 
> 

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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:02:22 -0400
From: "Eric J. Hennebury" <ehennebury_at_dml_redcelsius.com>
Subject: Re: It's the little things...!

Les,
There were postings about this quite some time ago, and I seem to recall
that there is a box of these very tips at DMC Houston.  Why don't you drop
them a line and I'm sure they'll be able to help you out.

-Eric
VIN 17065

Les Huckins wrote:

>Does anyone have a lead to emulation tips?  Pipes are
>about 1 3/4" OD, Tip OD is about 2 1/2" (slant cut, of course).  Please
>help if you can, I'm burning up a lot of time in this hunt.




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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:59:31 -0400
From: "marvin" <marv_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com>
Subject: DeLorean in Toronto

My son mistook a fellow DeLorean owner driving near Toronto, on the Queen Elizabeth Way, early Wed AM, for me. (I advised him that I removed my ponytail years ago) If the owner reads this listing, please respond directly to me. Thanks.
Marv.
#4239


 
Marvin Stein
tel: 519 - 434 - 1666
fax: 519 - 434 - 7071
email: marv_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com
web: printeddrinkware.com
Printed Drinkware Company
924 Dundas Street
London, Ontario, Canada N5W 3A1


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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:22:15 -0400
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: RE: Re: GM Engine

On the other hand, if this was a $6000 conversion Richard would quickly
have a few hundred DeLoreans outside his shop waiting for Notrhstar
engines.. :)


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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:05:14 -0400
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>
Subject: Pic of '81 Radio

I'm starting to believe that I do not have a factory radio... All the pics
I've seen do not look like the one I have. I know there were 2 different
Craigs used. Can someone post a pic of an early model radio? 



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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:16:56 EDT
From: jus4sho_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: GM Engine - Conversion Prices Exceeds Car's

I just wanted to make one statement responding to Joe's comment about a conversion being questionable if its price exceeds that of the vehicle:

While one should always consider their realistic budget, some people do have larger budgets.
In the street rodding world, a quality custom street rod can easily cost 50, 80 , or over $100K to build, yet most of the actual unrestored vehicles that are purchased to start these project rarely cost over $10K.  I don't own a $50K+ street rod, but I do enjoy looking at them so I'm glad street rodders don't apply your logic.

My $0.02

Steve   VIN 02650 ("Project Delorean")
Haven't fallen off the face of the earth.  Just run into some unrelated setbacks.  Will be working on the D today though!

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/projectdelorean



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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:29:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>
Subject: Re: spare tires

On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Cohee, Michael wrote:

> spares. Just curious how other owners deal with their spare tires???
> Just use a temporary tire??? Does the temp rim fit both the front and
> the rear????

The compact spare fits both the front and the rear.  But you don't want to
drive very far with it on the rear because it really is too small for
that.

One problem is that the rear tire does not fit in the space where the
spare goes.  The front tire does, barely, but the rear doesn't at
all.  If your rear tire goes flat, your only choices are to hide it and
come back for it later, put it in the passenger seat, or put it on the
luggage rack.  If you happen to have a passenger, option #2 loses some of
its luster.  So have a luggage rack :)

You might also want to carry a can of "fix-a-flat" type stuff with you and
a little air pump, just in case of emergency.  It ruins tires, but if your
tire goes flat at highway speeds it is likely to be ruined anyway.  The
little air pump is handy because even if you do use the temporary spare,
if you fill it up before you leave on a trip it is likely to be flat by
the end of it anyway. :)




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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:54:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>
Subject: Re: Re: GM Engine

On Thu, 30 Aug 2001 at88mph_at_dml_mobis.com did not write:

> > is the same size as the Northstar V8.  Is this so?  He says that the block
> > is available in aluminum.  >

The SBC V8's are definitely *not* the same size as the Northstar.  They
can be made quite lightweight (a complete short block weighing something
like 400 pounds) but it is still too big.

> >I would like to consider installing a front wheel drive engine &
> > transmission in place of the DeLorean stuff.  Has anyone considered this
> > idea?

That's basically how the DeLorean got to be the way it is - a FWD
transmission and engine with the final drive rigged to turn the opposite
way.  And that's what the Northstar engine is as well, which is why it is
so compact.

Stuffing a whole FWD drivetrain would probably *not* fit, the wheels are
too far forward.  The engine would intrude into the interior.  But then,
even this doesn't stop some people :)

The DeLorean transmission really isn't that bad.  The 5-speeds are fairly
stout (conventional wisdom is 250 to 300 pounds of torque) which could be
good to up to 350+ HP if you have an engine (such as the Northstar, or
many Japanese engines) which makes all its power at high RPM.

You might also consider the Volvo 5-cylinder engine from the S70.  It
makes between about 160 and 230 HP in stock form (depending on turbo
type), weighs not a lot, should fit, has lots of low end torque for a
turbo motor, and since it's a Volvo engine you might not even *need* a
transmission adapter.  Even if it doesn't fit there's a 4-cylinder version
of the same engine which would almost certainly fit.  (there's an inline 6
version too but I think it is too long).




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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:21:43 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Packard Tranny? [was: GM Engine]

(Just so this message contains useful information, Bob Brandys put a British
Land Rover V-8 into the car he calls the '97 DeLorean, and it looks really
spiffy.  You ought to get a look at it sometime.)

While we are on the subject of expensive and very expensive DeLorean
conversions, has anyone thought of adapting a Packard Twin Ultramatic
transmission to work in a DeLorean?  The Twin Ultramatic was John Z. DeLorean's
first major contribution to the automotive world and our stainless sports cars
were his last (as of today, anyway).

I believe it is nowhere close to a good fit.  In fact, your DeLorean would
probably need to be lengthened.  You can find Twin Ultramatics in Packard
Caribbeans and Studebaker Golden Hawks.  Someone told me they were also
used in Packard Hawks and high-end Hudsons, but I have no confirmation
of this.

A DeLorean with the Packard dash-mounted push-button transmission controls sure
would be, um, distinctive.

- Mike Substelny




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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:06:46 +0000
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Re: Re: It's the little things...!

Thanks Eric, called 'em, they don't have just the tips.

Les

"Eric J. Hennebury" wrote:

> Les,
> There were postings about this quite some time ago, and I seem to recall
> that there is a box of these very tips at DMC Houston.

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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:24:48 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Pic of '81 Radio

In a message dated 8/31/01 9:47:05 AM Central Daylight Time, 
tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com writes:


> I'm starting to believe that I do not have a factory radio... All the pics
> I've seen do not look like the one I have. I know there were 2 different
> Craigs used. Can someone post a pic of an early model radio? 
> 

Actually the 81's had a Craig Powerplay stereo while the 82's and 83's came 
with an ASI-brand stereo.  i hear the craig stereo was actually a very 
high-performance deck back in it's time... 

i replaced my POS ASI stereo with an alpine CD deck.

andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:40:02 +0200
From: "Cameron Putsch" <putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu>
Subject: euro spec?

Other than the emisions crap like the cat etc. What is different between the U.S. reg engines and euro spec ones (other than about 20 bhp and foot lbs. of torque)?

Casey


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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:49:49 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: spare tires

Some of the origional selling dealers included a large plastic bag so 
you could put the flat on the pasenger seat! An alternative is to 
place it on the engine cover under the louvre with a bungee cord and 
drive slow. It is also a great place to put a pizza!
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Cohee, Michael wrote:
> 
> > spares. Just curious how other owners deal with their spare 
> tires???

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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 14:05:56 EDT
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: No passenger side door lights

Hi,
    For some reason the door lights on my passenger side door will not come 
on.  They work fine on the drivers side.  I tested for power at the switch on 
the passenger door sill and it has no power going to it.  Any ideas on what 
could be causing this?  I traced the wires back until they go into the 
harness and they are fine. I have my front dome light disconnected but I 
don't think that has anything to do with it.  Everything else works but this, 
door ajar, glove box lamp, etc., are fine.

thanks
David



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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:39:59 EDT
From: MysticalAMX_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: rust prevention

hey andy ,
        listen i know a company that sells stainless steel frames for 
DeLoreans  <A HREF="http://www.pearce-design.com/permaframe.html">Click here: Perma Frame</A> they run about 7000 but it really worth it 
youll NEVER have to worry about rust again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                                                              
                   Angel X


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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:04:49 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: DeLorean in Toronto

Hey one day I had a woman mistake me for her husband! Turned out he 
owns a DeLorean as well, and she though I was him comming to visit 
her at work! Too funny!

-Robert
vin 6585



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "marvin" <marv_at_dml_p...> wrote:
> My son mistook a fellow DeLorean owner driving near Toronto, on the 
Queen Elizabeth Way, early Wed AM, for me. (I advised him that I 
removed my ponytail years ago)...
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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:13:23 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Re: Pic of '81 Radio

Travis Goodwin wrote:

> I'm starting to believe that I do not have a factory radio... All the pics
> I've seen do not look like the one I have. I know there were 2 different
> Craigs used. Can someone post a pic of an early model radio?

My DeLorean has an unusual Craig with a digital clock and no presets.  Someone
who should know told me that this was the radio that dealers would have
installed in early cars if the original failed, and that it was never
installed in the factory.  I never researched to confirm the story.

Sorry, I do not have a picture.  If I remember I will take one over the
holiday weekend.

- Mike Substelny




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