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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 691
Date: Saturday, September 01, 2001 4:56 AM

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There are 10 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Pic of '81 Radio
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>

2. Re: GM Engine - Conversion Prices Exceeds Car's
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

3. Bricklin Item.
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

4. Packard Tranny
From: "marvin" <marv_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com>

5. Re: Winner of the Gold DeLorean
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

6. RE: Re: GM Engine/modifying your Delorean
From: CBL302_at_dml_msn.com

7. Re: Re: GM Engine - Conversion Prices Exceeds Car's
From: jus4sho_at_dml_aol.com

8. Re: spare tires
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com

9. My Clutch
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>

10. Re: Re: GM Engine/modifying your Delorean
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:35:01 -0400
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>
Subject: Re: Pic of '81 Radio

That sounds like mine. MIne is a very simple stereo with a digital display,
five presets, and a tape deck with a FF/EJECT button. It's nothing like what
I see in this picture. 

http://www.babbtechnology.com/Collect/Craig/

Is this what it should have in it??

> Message: 25
>    Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:13:23 -0400
>    From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
> Subject: Re: Pic of '81 Radio
> 
> My DeLorean has an unusual Craig with a digital clock and no 
> presets.  Someone
> who should know told me that this was the radio that dealers 
> would have
> installed in early cars if the original failed, and that it was never
> installed in the factory.  I never researched to confirm the story.
> 
> Sorry, I do not have a picture.  If I remember I will take 
> one over the
> holiday weekend.
> 
> - Mike Substelny
>  



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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:41:49 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: GM Engine - Conversion Prices Exceeds Car's

This is true. And while I'm sure this will be the equivalent of 
smacking a hornets nest with a stick, but there is one litte snag to 
all this; The DeLorean is NOT a street rod, it was not intended to be 
one, nor should it become one. I'm not saying this a a prude, I think 
that proper modifications for the DeLorean have the ability to make 
the car far more enjoyable/safer/what have you. But I am saying this 
as someone who has already taken something like this into 
consideration. A bigger engine for more power? As an owner, I can 
more than understand that, and I even agree. But there does come a 
point where there is overkill. Especially in the DeLorean. For 
braking purposes, I carry weights up front. Slaming the brakes in a 
DeLorean while going 45+ mph is no fun. You will end up spinning the 
steeringwheel just to couter the inertia of the engine behind you to 
keep the rear end from swinging up front. The same if you start 
taking corners too fast. Don't get me wrong, I love the true rear-
engine design of the DeLorean. And I love the handling, but over 200 
hp, I would begin to worry about personal safety. Just as fast as you 
can speed up, you need to have to ability not just to slow down, but 
to stop. Even true street rods that you mention will have 
consideration for safety features like a roll cage. Obviously someone 
who would attempt this type of a conversion would have the driving 
skills to handle all the power. But the biggest question of all 
remains: When would you be able to drive something like this? I've 
seen alot of street rods at shows, and at the track. But to me 
something you build just to look at, and maybe take to the track when 
you get the chance is, well, dumb. To me, an unused car, is a useless 
car. And my DeLorean is a daily driver.

If a street rod, or something to that effect is something you really 
want to build, a Bricklin is a more suited car than a DeLorean is. 
You can purchase a B for what you need for around $4K or so. And it 
has the front mouted engine, and a bigger, more powerful engine(s) at 
that.

Just my .02

-Robert
vin 6585



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., jus4sho_at_dml_a... wrote:
> I just wanted to make one statement responding to Joe's comment 
about a conversion being questionable if its price exceeds that of 
the vehicle:
> 
> While one should always consider their realistic budget, some 
people do have larger budgets.
> In the street rodding world, a quality custom street rod can easily 
cost 50, 80 , or over $100K to build, yet most of the actual 
unrestored vehicles that are purchased to start these project rarely 
cost over $10K.  I don't own a $50K+ street rod, but I do enjoy 
looking at them so I'm glad street rodders don't apply your logic.
> 
> My $0.02
<SNIP>




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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 20:39:03 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Bricklin Item.

To be perfectly honest, I wasn't too sure where to put this. But 
since there are Bricklin owners on the list as well, I though this 
may be of interest.

http://www.geocities.com/treasureroom/Bricklin.html

The owner is selling the car, but what caught my eye is the beautiful 
headlight conversion. It gives the car a whole new look! This my even 
spark a little creativity for Delorean owners as well.

-Robert
vin 6585




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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:03:56 -0400
From: "marvin" <marv_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com>
Subject: Packard Tranny

Mike: 
Doth thou speak with thy tongue in cheek? Push button tranny shifter like the ones Chrysler had in the early 60's and Packard transmissions for a Delorean? Are you smelling funny stuff in that fluid you use to polish your car? Slap stick linkage, Hurst, Volvo, Northstar, Rover, ---I can understand these--but not Packard! It died. Let it rest! Plus the fact, alot of the new owners have no idea what a Packard.was !
Marv.
#4239


Marvin Stein
tel: 519 - 434 - 1666
fax: 519 - 434 - 7071
email: marv_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com
web: printeddrinkware.com
Printed Drinkware Company
924 Dundas Street
London, Ontario, Canada N5W 3A1


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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:36:01 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Winner of the Gold DeLorean



theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com wrote:

>
> 4301-black interior, automatic, Bank in Snyder, TX

Nope - it's a manual. The rest is correct. Interestingly, Joe Murray swore
blind the two Amex cars had saddle interiors - his wife made the seats! They
were both convinced the original pair had tan interiors, but hey, we've all
seen the pictures"

Martin





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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:24:30 -0000
From: CBL302_at_dml_msn.com
Subject: RE: Re: GM Engine/modifying your Delorean

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   Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:22:15 -0400
   From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: RE: Re: GM Engine/modifying your Delorean

>On the other hand, if this was a $6000 conversion Richard would 
>quickly
>have a few hundred DeLoreans outside his shop waiting for Notrhstar
>engines.. :)


I may be wrong on this (because of the age of our Deloreans) would 
not the "Feds"  bust them for Emissions tampering/modifying from 
stock,Remember back in the 70's there was a Company called Motion 
Performance on Long Island NY
that used to get stock HiPo Camaro,Vettes and Vegas,and Turn them 
into 11 second Street cars,after a while the Federal Government(EPA) 
caught up with them and fined them something in the neighborhood of 
$25,000 per car,(in 1970's dollars) and they made at least a few 
hundred,and were Shut down/ told NEVER to make/modify such cars 
again,the company that is putting the Nortstar engine in the 
Deloreans is basically doing what Motion performance was doing in the 
Seventies.Technically NO BUSINESS/or individual may modify a EPA 
certified vehicle from factory EPA certified Specifications,THAT also 
INCLUDES modifying a ORIGINAL factory engine
(Turbo's,cams,pistons,heads ect),EPA,most likely will not bust a 
individual,unless,they go into business modifying cars,that would be 
taken care of at the local level(DMV) Correct me if I am wrong.

Claude
000570   




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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 20:37:42 EDT
From: jus4sho_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: GM Engine - Conversion Prices Exceeds Car's

Point taken Robert.  I agree that there's no substitute for proper planning 
and safety.  I just needed to make the point that investing more into a 
project car than the original vehicle is worth is in many cases the norm and 
that's just the way the sport is.

Steve


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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 21:30:08 EDT
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: spare tires

In a message dated 8/31/01 3:26:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net writes:

<< An alternative is to 
 place it on the engine cover under the louvre with a bungee cord and 
 drive slow. It is also a great place to put a pizza! >>

Since I'm in the Pizza business (pizza maker) and have to deliver to 
customers in my car every so often, I think I'll try this!  Definitely would 
make sure the pizza is still hot.  Even though I hate all the stupid BTTF 
jokes I get with the car, there was one that was kinda funny because I 
deliver in it.  Here goes..."If you don't get your pizza in 30 minutes or 
less, we'll go back in time just for you!"  

Later,
Nick Pitello
1852
<A HREF="Http://members.aol.com/njp548">Http://members.aol.com/njp548</A>



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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 01:36:39 -0000
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
Subject: My Clutch

I've just uploaded a picture of my slave cylinder/clutch fork 
connection to the files section.  I would appreciate it if some of 
the more technical folks take a look at it and tell me what they 
think.  In the picture you can see the push-rod from the slave 
cylinder fully extended and the outer seal torn off.  You can also see 
the broken link between it and the clutch fork.  I tried pushing the 
rod back into the slave cylinder but couldn't.  I guess my main 
question is what direction is the top of the clutch fork normally 
supposed to rest at?  Twords the engine, or the front of the car?  
Because I can run though every gear with the engine running like the 
clutch pedal was fully depressed.  And the top of the fork appears to 
be twords the engine.

Here is the picture...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/files/Clutch.jpg

Jim Reeve
MNDMC - Minnesota DeLorean Club
DMC-6960




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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:02:39 -0400
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Re: GM Engine/modifying your Delorean

> I may be wrong on this (because of the age of our Deloreans) would

I'm also no expert, but I believe it goes by the age of the car itself (not
the motor), so you can put newer engines (Northstar) into older cars
(Delorean) without EPA problems.  On the other hand, you can't take a 1960's
Ford 429ci engine and drop it into your 2001 Dodge Neon.

-Hank  #1619




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