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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 697
Date: Friday, September 07, 2001 5:40 AM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: facia painting
From: mark_at_dml_knudsonward.com

2. Re: Door Lock Module (long)
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

3. Is LockZilla Expensive ? / Bob Zilla
From: ZillaDelorean_at_dml_aol.com

4. Re: Door Lock Module (long)
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

5. rank Delorean repairs
From: "Cohee, Michael" <mcohee_at_dml_cfginc.com>

6. Despeately seeking parts........
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>

7. Black Interior?
From: Al Nelson <z52vette_at_dml_yahoo.com>

8. Re: Seven twos
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

9. Bauerle Automotive - Radnor, Ohio
From: maddog6198_at_dml_aol.com

10. Re: strange idle
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

11. RE: Desperately seeking parts........
From: "Bob & Vicky Miller" <delo1_at_dml_mindspring.com>

12. Re: rank Delorean repairs
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

13. Resin cast model car
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

14. RE: Desperately seeking parts........
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

15. Re: rank Delorean repairs
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>

16. Need a part badly
From: "Aaron King" <floodle_at_dml_subdimension.com>

17. Rear Springs?
From: "ian" <ian_at_dml_netvigator.com>

18. Re: Rear Springs?
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>

19. sorry about the virus
From: "Cameron Putsch" <putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu>

20. Eyebrows
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

21. Re: Black Interior?
From: theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com

22. Re:storage
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

23. Re: Eyebrows
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

24. Car won't Shut Off
From: dclark_at_dml_3d2u.com

25. Re: Need a part badly
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 03:57:32 -0000
From: mark_at_dml_knudsonward.com
Subject: Re: facia painting

To Mike C. and The List,

Have you tried looking up

http://personal.picusnet.com/dsontos
Click on, DeLorean How-To-Docs
Then click on, Painting Facias

I personally will not try painting my DeLorean.  I can turn a wrench, 
but applying primer, paint and clear coat is something I would rather 
leave to a professional.

Thanks to Dave Sontos for the above web site.

Of course after several months or several years the web address will 
change and the link above will be no good.

I'm all for the Yahoo! Groups DMCTech site to collect all technical 
help/advice into one large lump.  And you can purchase the Service & 
Tech. Bulletin from any of the DeLorean vendors.

Mark R. Vanyo
VIN # 02261
Lic OUTATYM
Seattle, WA


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Cohee, Michael" <mcohee_at_dml_c...> wrote:
I hate to ask something that has probably been asked many times but I 
did not find a good answer in archives. I may buy a D that has a 
badly chipped front facia. The rest of the car looks great. Is this a 
project a novice can do or is this something a professional paint 
shop should do? Should they have Delorean experience or can any 
reputable body shop handle it. How about fixing slight eyebrows? 
Approx total cost?? .

mike c




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:16:24 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Door Lock Module (long)

Walt and group. Again I'm not making a case to save the door lock module, But 
I finally made mine lock up also and it was in the position of the door 
switch. So, If your carefully you might be able to avoid the problem. Also, 
the smaller circuit breaker played a big part in the module not burning up. 
It tripped very often till I caught it in-between locks and unlocked the 
doors. If you still have the original door lock module and can't afford a 
Zilla at this time, then put in the smallest circuit breaker you can I'm 
going to try a 10 amp this weekend. I also talked to Bosch and the original 
relays that were used in the module were silver contacts which is a softer 
metal. The newer replacements are silver/nickle which is a much harder 
material for the contact and are rated 30 amps in this application. I guess 
my question is. If I'm able to use a circuit breaker now at 15 amps and can 
possibility go to 10 amps, then the relay in the module isn't the problem to 
begin with, it has to be that the circuit breaker doesn't trip quick enough 
and that allows the module to burn up when the door switch sticks or is in 
the wrong position. I'm not spending a lot of time with this, but I have also 
talked to some others and found out that the modules must have been used in 
random and they found the problem quick or early in the installation.  
Thet as all for now.
John Hervey
http://www.specialtauto.com/   



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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:33:05 EDT
From: ZillaDelorean_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Is LockZilla Expensive ? / Bob Zilla

Hello Walt,
Thank you for your kind words. 

You were right on the mark concerning original lock controllers.  However,  
consider this...

Perhaps at some point in time you may choose to design and market a fairly 
complex device. 

When you do, you will be horrified at the real costs of the inventory & 
qualified labor. 
When you factor in the unpaid R&D time ( which is 10X more than you expected 
) and tooling costs, 
your head tends to explode. 

What's worse are the unexpected ancillary costs which are out of this world. 
Every time you reorder components you fight with vendors for pricing,  but 
all you hear about is price increases & or shortages.

And all this for SHORT runs.
YIKES !!!!

Conversely, Zilla products have NOT significantly increased in price in 
nearly 10 years. 

It is said that money is worth half of it's face value every 10 years.  So, 
in reality, they're now an even better deal.

Bob Zilla


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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 16:49:04 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: Door Lock Module (long)

One thing you must take into account in reedesigning the lock module 
is the inductance it must control ie: the lock solenoids are coils 
which when you try to stop putting electric into them (like when the 
relay contacts open) the coils still have a lot of "electrical 
inertia" re: inductance, so the current will try to continue which 
results in arcing across the contacts. The heat generated will 
eventually weld the contacts unless you oversize the contacts and use 
capacitors to reduce the arcing. Using an undersize circuit breaker is 
a very temporary solution. Circuit breakers must have a margin of 
capacity above what is being used in the circuit (They are not meant 
to be tripped often). They are primaraly used to protect the wiring 
from overheating, not devices. If you find a circuit breaker to work 
at this low (sensitive) level it will eventually get very sensitive 
and start tripping at lower and lower levels so that it won't let the 
coils activate. In cases where you need accurate and sensitive circuit 
tripping you must look for a better solution that a mechanical circuit 
breaker or a fuse, you will need a circuit capable of sensing current 
draw and shuting down the lock module something like used in modern 
amplifiers speaker output circuitry. (This just keeps getting more and 
mote complicated!)
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., dherv10_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Walt and group. Again I'm not making a case to save the door lock 
module, But 
> I finally made mine lock up also and it was in the position of the 
door 
> switch. So, If your carefully you might be able to avoid the 
problem. Also, 
> the smaller circuit breaker played a big part in the module not 
burning up. 
> It tripped very often till I caught it in-between locks and unlocked 
the 
> doors. 



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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 11:51:35 -0400
From: "Cohee, Michael" <mcohee_at_dml_cfginc.com>
Subject: rank Delorean repairs

I am well into my search and hope to have My Delorean before the leaves
turn. One thing that I have found difficult to do is compare D's because
most of them (in my price range) have several minor problems. In order to
compare cars it would be helpful to hear how Delorean owners rank these
problems in order of how easy they are to fix for a NOVICE. So if anyone has
5 minutes they can make this a game and also see how other owners rank them.
I am lsiting the common problems that I see alot...

1) replace door struts
2) electrical wiring problems/fuses
3) window malfunctions/replace window motor
4) Facia repair/replace
5) a/c repair or recharge
6) replace headliner
7) replace speedometer cable
8) install fan zilla	
9) install tank zilla
10) Stainless steel clutch cable
11) Fuel pump 
12) re-cover seats
13) upgrade alternator
14) replace rubber lseal/moulding around the door
15) install lock zilla

thanks for any help.....mike c


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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 21:30:17 +0100
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: Despeately seeking parts........

Hi all

I'm in a small predicament. I need parts for my D that I can't get from PJ Grady or DMC Houston.

Has anyone out there Got the following from a parts car or just knocking around waiting for a sick D to need the transplant.

106341   Mounting bracket LH
106342   Mounting bracket RH

These are the main mounting brackets for a manual gear box. Mine have snapped, a repair job has been sugested, However one has already been welded once and to do it again would leave me concerned about its integrity.

If you have one or the pair please let me know, or if you know someone who may have a pair or one , again please let me know.

Cheers

Paul
6463


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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:07:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Al Nelson <z52vette_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Black Interior?

I've been seein some DeLoreans for sale recently and
those with "black" interiors all seem to have gray
carpet.  The dash, console and seats are black but the
carpet is gray.  Was this the way it was done?  Was
there never any black carpet used?  

Also, some '83s I've seen have all gray interiors
except the seats are black.  Are these owner-changed
items or was this factory?  

Just curious.

Al


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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 22:06:53 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: Seven twos

The only thing I've ever found with a date is a stamp in white ink on 
the rear facia. Right side between the corner curve, and the niche 
for the tail pipe. I posted a question about this some time ago as to 
it's specific meaning, but never got any replies. I've always assumed 
this date was stamped after the final inspection that OKed the car to 
leave the factory, but I have no idea. Always been kinda neet to me 
though. My car is stamped November 3rd, my Birthday is the 4th, and 
in the BTTF movies, the DeLoren was struck by lightning on the 5th.

Anyhow, I tried to take some photos a while back, but they never 
turned out. And since I never got any follow up on the topic, I just 
put it on the back burner so to speak. Since owning my car, I've 
looked at 2 other DeLorean's up close, and both had this same stamp. 
More details are in my former post in the archives...

-Robert
vin 6585


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_m...> wrote:
<SNIP>
But-- what I'm really wondering since it's only one month from the 
car's
> 20th birthday (10/81 build)-- do we have records or ways to decode 
exactly
> when our car was assembled? Like what day of the month, or portion 
of the
> month?
<SNIP>




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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 21:37:01 -0000
From: maddog6198_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Bauerle Automotive - Radnor, Ohio

Again, I would like to commend & recommend Bauerle Automotive in 
Radnor, Ohio (Columbus) (740) 595-3348 - Steve & Dave are true 
gentlemen and have done an awsome job on my D - Those of you in Pa, 
Ohio, Michigan, or Kentucky, & Indiana - It is well woth the drive !


With Warmest Regards,
John Curry
83 - 15943




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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 22:37:16 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: strange idle

Well I'll be. When I first went looking for a replacement Idle Speed 
Motor, I had recieved in an e-mail from someone stating the 760 
wouldn't match. It was a simular style, but wouldn't be compatable. 
So that's what I was basing my statement on. Plus Volvo's aren't the 
most popular car here, so the newest I could find _at_dml_ the junkyard was 
an '80 of any model. So I had no way to verify everything myself. But 
on the old 260's I saw, they had a completely different style 
regulator on them. These were 2-wire regulators, with a spring 
inside. And they and a 2 wire plug at that, so I don't know how you 
could connect them to get them to work.

But in either case, I would only reccoment using the ISM off a junk 
car to test only. When I opened up my old motor, I noticed inside the 
brushes on the motor were covered in black soot since they were not 
sealed from the air chamber below. Seeing as how inscets and other 
little creatures like to nest in small places, and how the engines in 
junkyards are left exposed, I'd reccomend buying a new unit to make 
sure it's clean inside.

-Robert
vin 6585



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> Robert, 
> 
> Here is the information I have for Volvo to DeLorean Idle Speed 
Motors (Regulator) compatibility
> 
> Volvo 1979-1981 260 & 264 GLE
> Volvo 1982-1987 760 GLE
> 



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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 18:40:17 -0400
From: "Bob & Vicky Miller" <delo1_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Desperately seeking parts........

Paul...
I have THEM.. email me privately...
I have tried to email you but they come back returned...

bob miller
delo1(AT)mindspring.com



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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 19:14:18 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: rank Delorean repairs


Hello Mike,
i rearranged the list of jobs you have here to give you some help.  the 
zillas are simple plug-'n-play devices. even a rice-boy could do the job! i 
have experience in all of these areas except for a couple of the more 
difficult jobs....

in order of most simple job to most difficult job:

8) install fan zilla 
15) install lock zilla
9) install tank zilla
11) Fuel pump
13) upgrade alternator
2) electrical wiring problems/fuses ***these usually aren't too hard, but 
could be an electrical demon..***
7) replace speedometer cable
10) Stainless steel clutch cable

the next jobs, which get more difficult, are fairly to heavily labor 
instensive and may require a second person to help you:

1) replace door struts
3) window malfunctions/replace window motor ***if the little window is 
off-track, that's a tougher job than replacing the window motor.***
12) re-cover seats
5) a/c repair or recharge ***depends on if you have to overhaul the entire AC 
system. any decent shop can recharge the freon for about $100.***
6) replace headliner
 14) replace rubber lseal/moulding around the door
4) Facia repair/replace ***if you have to replace it, then it would be down 
here - if you just have to do something while it is still on the car, it may 
be higher up***

hope that helps!
Andy


Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 19:14:36 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Resin cast model car

I just bought a resin cast model DeLorean from a guy in England.  For a
picture look up eBay Item # 1184965584.  I got his permission to quote his
description of the model on the DML.  So here it is:

as far as history of the models,
i have experience in casting various items for 15 years. i do it for a
living,
but the cars are done from home as a hobby,
my neighbour drives a delorean and i made it for him as a present.
things took off as he took it around the classic car shows.
he had 15 made to sell to friends an fellow drivers and i sell others on the
net etc.
it is still early days and i recon 35/40 have been sold, litteraly
worldwide,
with the bulk going out to the u.s.a.
i also make a lotus europa
vw beetle
bond bug
and am working on others. i only started all of them earlier this year.
they are cast in a 1 piece seamless rubber mould from polyester resin filled
with metal powder to replicate the stainless steel effect.
thats about it really.
hope you enjoy it when you get it next week
and remember................spread the word!!

look farward to hearing from you when it arrives.

best regards
andy
(mail me with any questions problems etc ...no problem)

For those who want to reach Andy, e-mail him at ANDREWTITTENSOR(AT)aol.com.




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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 18:14:46 -0500
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Desperately seeking parts........

I'm curious, why are these brackets breaking?

Scott Mueller
DMCNEWS 002981
DOA 5031

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Salsbury [mailto:paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com]
Subject: [DML] Despeately seeking parts........

Has anyone out there Got the following from a parts car or just knocking
around waiting for a sick D to need the transplant.

106341   Mounting bracket LH
106342   Mounting bracket RH

These are the main mounting brackets for a manual gear box. 



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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 23:30:41 -0000
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
Subject: Re: rank Delorean repairs

For a NOVICE, this is how I rank these projects.  I have done almost 
all of them myself, and I learned as I went, but I learn unusually 
well.  If you can quickly pick up on things and/or have small hands, 
downgrade the difficulty I list here a tad.

1) replace door struts - EASY
2) electrical wiring problems/fuses - EASY-HARD
3) window malfunctions/replace window motor - HARD
4) Facia repair/replace - HARD
5) a/c repair or recharge - MEDIUM-HARD
6) replace headliner - MEDIUM
7) replace speedometer cable - EASY
8) install fan zilla - EASY
9) install tank zilla - EASY-MEDIUM
10) Stainless steel clutch cable - MEDIUM-HARD
11) Fuel pump  - MEDIUM
12) re-cover seats - EASY-MEDIUM
13) upgrade alternator - MEDIUM
14) replace rubber lseal/moulding around the door  - EASY
15) install lock zilla - EASY

Also, when I ranked the hard ones, I did it for a first-timer (many of 
these get extremely easy once you've done it a few times [I can swap 
fuel pumps in 5 minutes!]) and while the concept of many of these can 
be very simple, actually doing it can be a pain, and I included that 
with the ranking.  But anything I say as EASY, absolutely ANYONE can 
do.

Hope this helps.  Good luck getting your D.

Jim Reeve
MNDMC - Minnesota DeLorean Club
DMC-6960
DMC-6960




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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 23:55:57
From: "Aaron King" <floodle_at_dml_subdimension.com>
Subject: Need a part badly

Hello all,

I tried to order part #101096, Air Cleaner adaper some time ago from DMC 
Houston and they said the part is no longer available.  Does anyone have an 
extra one of these I can buy or know where I can get a hold of one?

Thanks!

Aaron King
Bothell, WA
vin#1217

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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 07:45:02 +0800
From: "ian" <ian_at_dml_netvigator.com>
Subject: Rear Springs?

DMLers,

Does anyone know where I can get a pair of new rear springs? I have a new
set of lowered front springs (bringing my car back to original designed ride
height). I need the standard height rear springs.

I have tried DMC Houston, they are individually listed on their shopping
section but sold only as a set of 4 at $550. I only need the 2 rear ones.

Does P.J.Grady or any of the other suppliers sell the front / rear pairs of
springs separately?

Thanks,            IAN
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 19:09:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>
Subject: Re: Rear Springs?

Ian,

I just got 2 original height rear springs when I was down at the DeLorean
Motor Center in Garden Grove 2 weeks ago. You might want to check with
them:

714-554-6794

-Christian


On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, ian wrote:

> DMLers,
>
> Does anyone know where I can get a pair of new rear springs? I have a new
> set of lowered front springs (bringing my car back to original designed ride
> height). I need the standard height rear springs.



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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 21:27:19 +0200
From: "Cameron Putsch" <putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu>
Subject: sorry about the virus

I would like to officially apologize for the virus you all are getting from my computer. It is not my fault and I am legitimately making an airbox. For future reference, don't open one of my attachments unless I say I am sending you one for it could be a virus.

Casey


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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 22:10:55 -0400
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: Eyebrows

I have seen several posts about eyebrows, and what they are, but there is
very little on how to fix the problem (other then replacing the whole
fascia)

What are some tricks (with details please)

Kevin Abato
Vin# 16680




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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 02:03:49 -0000
From: theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Black Interior?

D's with vin 10580 or after all have a medium gray carpet.  This was
done to brighten up the interior of the black D's.  Prior to this
change, grey interior cars had light grey carpet & black interior cars
had a dark grey carpet.  I would assume that the '83s with grey
interior & black seats are owner changed, but they could have been
assembled that way.  After all, some '83s have the earlier style
exhaust pipes without the flared tips.

John Yeoman

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Al Nelson <z52vette_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> I've been seein some DeLoreans for sale recently and
> those with "black" interiors all seem to have gray
> carpet.  The dash, console and seats are black but the
> carpet is gray.  Was this the way it was done?  Was
> there never any black carpet used?  
> 
> Also, some '83s I've seen have all gray interiors
> except the seats are black.  Are these owner-changed
> items or was this factory?  



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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 22:39:09 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re:storage

In a message dated 9/5/01 8:58:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net writes:


> In some cases I have seen owners put thick blankets 
> over the car with pieces of plywood on top and then a cover over it 
> all. 

Sounds like a good idea!  I don't know how many D's I've seen with hood 
dents, and it always makes me think somebody probably fumbled a tool or 
something and dinged it while the car was garaged.

Wayne A. Ernst
 DMCTech Group


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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 20:51:10 +0000
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Re: Eyebrows

http://personal.picusnet.com/dsontos/painting.html    Good coverage by Dave.

Kevin Abato wrote:

> I have seen several posts about eyebrows, and what they are, but there is
> very little on how to fix the problem (other then replacing the whole
> fascia)
>
> What are some tricks (with details please)
>
> Kevin Abato
> Vin# 16680



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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 04:00:55 -0000
From: dclark_at_dml_3d2u.com
Subject: Car won't Shut Off

My DeLorean loves to run so much that today when I stopped to get gas 
and turned the key to shut the car off it decided it would keep 
running.  Not the sputtering, bad gas type of running but a smooth 
idle as if the key had not been turned.  I took the key all the way 
out and the car just purred like it was still in the ignition.   I 
drove it home and used the clutch and brake to kill the engine.  I 
took the key out and the radiator fans and warning lights were still 
on as if the car had just died but the key was still in.

I went inside to get a flashlight and dig around in the relay 
compartment to see if there was something I could do.  About the time 
I removed the relay cover (about 5 minutes) the car shut itself down 
as if the key had just been turned off.  I restarted it and turned it 
off when no problems.

Anyone know what my problem may be?

Thanks
derric




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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 06:27:06 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Need a part badly

Aaron, I think if you will check with your local Volvo dealer and research it 
out they can order it along with the hose. It comes as an assembly.
John hervey
http://www.specialtauto.com/



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