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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 720
Date: Thursday, September 27, 2001 4:08 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Reverse Light Switch.
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

2. Re: Will Lexol remove Leather Wrinkles?
From: iznodmad_at_dml_aol.com

3. RE: door launchers
From: Peter Lucas <lucas_at_dml_imap.maya.com>

4. Re: Other lighting anamolies
From: nickbrom_at_dml_aol.com

5. Re: Door Launcher Answers / Bob Zilla
From: theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com

6. headliners done, need a few parts
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com

7. Re: Re: slightly off-tune? what to do?
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

8. Re: Flat tire what now?
From: theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com

9. Re: Overheating...
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

10. gas flaps
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

11. Re: Re: Flat tire what now?
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

12. Xenon Headlights for DeLorean .. Similar to BMW and MERCEDES
From: "Digital Devices" <delorean_at_dml_digital-devices.net>

13. Craig kaput?
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

14. Re: Overheating...
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

15. RE: door openers
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>

16. Re: Re: slightly off-tune? what to do?
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

17. Re: Overheating...
From: christophe-v_at_dml_caramail.com

18. Re: Re: slightly off-tune? what to do?
From: sand131_at_dml_aol.com

19. Cake's "Short Skirt/ Long Jacket" Video
From: Robert Greenhaw <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>

20. tech manual on ebay
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

21. Re: tech manual on ebay
From: edherrmann_at_dml_yahoo.com

22. RE: tech manual on ebay
From: "Jack Singer" <jsinger_at_dml_i-c.net>

23. Re: Craig kaput?
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

24. Door Openers
From: SGSKBM_at_dml_aol.com

25. Re: RE: door launchers
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:05:40 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Reverse Light Switch.

Ever since I've had my car, the back up lights have never turned on. 
If I jump the wires seperatly, the lights will turn on. So I know it 
must be a defective switch (5-speed). But here's my question. If I 
unscrew the switch, will I loose any gear oil? The reason I ask is 
because last month I had the tranny drained and refilled with fresh 
oil. Needless to say I don't want to have to top-off the tranny a 2nd 
time. If I back the car onto ramps, would any oil leak out? And as an 
extreme question, would it be safe to tilt the car with ramps on one 
side to force the oil over?

-Robert
vin 6585




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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 19:11:29 EDT
From: iznodmad_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Will Lexol remove Leather Wrinkles?

Best course of action is to leave the wrinkles in there, they are supposed to 
be there.  This is true unless you are talking about wrinkles that have been 
caused by sitting in the seats and creating an "unnatural" wrinkle.  Most 
DeLorean seats have dried up and stretched out over the years, thus the 
wrinkles are no longer there.  You must have a nicely preserved set of seats, 
be happy and leave it there!

Regards,
Darren Decker
VIN 5000.......with wrinkled seats.


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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 20:21:18 -0400
From: Peter Lucas <lucas_at_dml_imap.maya.com>
Subject: RE: door launchers

I would like to take this opportunity to say that I agree with everybody.  :-)

On the one hand,  we can all count on the 'Zilla door openers to be a 
first-rate, easily-installed, bulletproof product. You don't get the 
kind of reputation that the 'Zilla products enjoy without a lot of 
very careful design, testing, refinement, manufacturing and customer 
support. This doesn't come cheap and, as Bob has convincingly argued, 
there is every reason to believe that the 'Zilla products are fairly 
priced. You are not just buying solenoids and a bit of electronics, 
you are buying peace of mind and a low-hassle, no-thinking-required 
installation experience.

OTOH, I can vouch that Darryl's door opener system is elegantly 
designed, very effective, and robust. Several years ago (before he 
had a kit for sale), he generously made the plans for the setup 
available without charge, and I successfully reproduced the system at 
very low cost. It fit my needs very well: I know electronics, enjoyed 
designing my own control system that behaved just the way I wanted 
(including safety interconnects to disable the openers when the car 
is in gear and when the doors are locked). I also enjoyed exploring 
the door wiring to find a way to power the solenoids using the 
existing wiring loom. For me, doing it myself had value beyond the 
money saved. If you are a serious do-it-yourselfer like me, they I 
strongly recommend this system. Many others don't enjoy such things, 
or lack the skill or time to pursue them. For these folks, the 'Zilla 
approach is the way to go, and no doubt represents a good value.

Pete Lucas
VIN #06703

P.S. -- I, too, am puzzled why Rob and Bob chose to go with heavy 
solenoids rather than the more modern (and very effective) actuator 
motors that Darryl recommends. I, too shared my positive experiences 
with them when they were researching their system.  I guess it is 
just another instance of the conservative design philosophy that has 
earned their products such a stellar reputation.

At 8:48 PM -0700 9/25/01, Darryl Tinnerstet wrote:

>
>A thousand bucks to get remote door openers and locks???  You've gotta be
>kidding.  I know the Zilla products are good, and would never knock them.
>But for those of you who can't quite afford that, there is already a remote
>door opening kit (which includes door unlock) that has been on the market
>for years.  It adds only ounces of weight per door, not 3 pounds, and does
>not require torsion bar adjustment.  I'm not sure why Rob/Bob are using
>heavier solenoids since I shared my how-to info with them years ago.  Maybe
>they feel solenoids are more reliable than my actuators, but I have never
>had one fail.  The kit is easy to install and retails for under $200.  Check
>out delorean-parts.com or e-mail me for information.
>
>--
>Darryl Tinnerstet



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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 00:40:05 -0000
From: nickbrom_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Other lighting anamolies

Okay, after investigating more, it turns out that the right tail 
light, dash gauges, and front right marker light are all tied into the 
 same fuse. Now, does anyone know of a good way to get corrosion out 
of one of those little marker light sockets?

Nick

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., nickbrom_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Also, in addition to my dash gauge lights suddenly not working and 
the 
> AC Panel lights staying on, the right rear tail light has stopped 
> working. I already have the upgraded circuit boards, have checked 
the 



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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 01:02:25 -0000
From: theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Door Launcher Answers / Bob Zilla

Not to be sarcastic or anything, but this safety feature was already
built into the car: door locks.

John Yeoman

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> Bob,
> Great on the door launchers and you seem to be thinking of
everything, so I
> assume you will have designed a safety feature of NOT being able to
activate
> the mechanism, accidentally while driving down the highway at 88
MPH!!     



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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:16:57 EDT
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: headliners done, need a few parts

Hi List,
    I want to take my D to homecoming next weekend but I need to do a few 
more things to it before its worthy of having a lady in it.  I just had the 
headliners redone but I need three more parts to make it perfect.  I am 
missing the rear shelf carpet that lays over the module covers, and I also 
need an automatic shift lever.(parts manual image 4/6/0 part #6, from 
vin4837).  The plastic handle that is molded on to the top of the chrome 
piece broke off.  I also need the front A post door trim piece (parts manual 
8/7/1 #8, passenger side) Now I just need to get a date and I am all set.  If 
any private party has these items for sale at a reasonable price please 
e-mail me.  I have parts available for trade or cash.

Thanks
David
#6286 GRAY interior.



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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:33:40 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: slightly off-tune? what to do?

Andy, Since it's a manual, It needs a clutch pressure plate and disk. If you 
keep driving it the clutch plate will wear into the fly wheel and add more 
expense. You can see all the parts, old and new on the web site along with an 
explanation of what's happening. www.specialtauto.com under drive train.
John hervey
http://www.specialtauto.com/drivetrain.shtml



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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 01:18:26 -0000
From: theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Flat tire what now?

Another option that you can look into are Goodyear Eagle GT II's.
Both sizes are available with this tire.

John Yeoman

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Palatinus, Joe" <jopalatinus_at_dml_d...> wrote:

BUt anyway I
have
> decided to invest in 4 new tires, I am currently looking into the
MIchilin
> XGT h4s and of course the Yokos.  I am more concerned with
longevity than
> with performance, as this is my daily driver, I probably will put
15,000
> niles a year or so on her. Whatda you guys think



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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 01:53:15 -0000
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Overheating...

Matthew, You have had a lot of good reply's, but you may want to take 
the radiator out and clean out behind the air conditioner grill. It's 
more than likley plugged with bugs and gunk. That's about 1/2 of the 
radiator. If air can flow, it won't cool. You can't clean it good 
without taking it out, fans block the back and air conditioner grill 
blocks the front. Once you do this, then the other things that have 
been mentioned can be evaluated properly. You may won't to have a 
shop check it for water flow also. Otterstat,thermostat, so on.
My temp gauge virtually never goes above the second mark on the road 
and the fans almost never come on except in town or when I turn on 
the air. Naturally I have all my Fixes installed.
John Hervey
http://www.specialtauto.com/




.   --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Matthew David" <DMC5524_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> Dear group,
> 
> I have had me DeLorean for almost four years now. Within the last 6 
to 9 
> months I have noticed a particularly irritating habit it has. I 
drive it 
> alot of the time, as it is one of my daily drivers. However I 
seldom take it 
> on the highway, I mostly just drive stop ang go around the city. 
Anyway, 
> when I do drive it at highway speeds it overheats rather quickly. 



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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:18:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: gas flaps

[moderator note - instead of letting thru the next 5 "I have/don't have a flap" posts I'd like to remind everyone that the hood is very easily damaged and  changed, even before the posession of the original owner. All the replacement hoods in the parts channel were the late (no flap/no line) design. It was not unusual for dealers to swap them around prior to delivery if a particular car was damaged on the lot.]

i believe that the gas flaps dissapeared after either VIN 3200 or 3201. -Louie



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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:52:37 -0500
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Flat tire what now?

Like you I wanted longevity, since I drive mine daily. I also wanted good
water channeling.
I finally decided on the BFG Radial T/A + (or Enhanced...).

The rating/performance equals the NCT's and the longevity and water
performance for the buck couldn't be matched in anything. I have been very
happy with the grip (stop and start), and performance under heavy water
conditions too (think Houston and Melissa....).

----- Original Message -----
From: <theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 8:18 PM
Subject: [DML] Re: Flat tire what now?


> Another option that you can look into are Goodyear Eagle GT II's.
> Both sizes are available with this tire.
>
> John Yeoman
>
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Palatinus, Joe" <jopalatinus_at_dml_d...> wrote:
>
> BUt anyway I
> have
> > decided to invest in 4 new tires, I am currently looking into the
> MIchilin
> > XGT h4s and of course the Yokos



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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 23:51:19 -0400
From: "Digital Devices" <delorean_at_dml_digital-devices.net>
Subject: Xenon Headlights for DeLorean .. Similar to BMW and MERCEDES

Hello everyone .. just wondering … does anybody have a good cross
reference part that will replace all 4 of the headlights on the DeLorean
with the Xenon lights?
 
I just wanted to use these as opposed to the current Sylvania headlights
… as my front fascia is not severly “eyebrowed” yet … the Xenon actually
does not heat up as much as the Halogen .. so it would only seem logical
that a xenon would help prevent the “eyebrow” effect … as well as make
the car look MUCH nicer for night drives 
 
 
Any input is appreciated ..
 
Thanks guys!
 
Kenneth
005541
 
 


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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:26:26 -0500
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Craig kaput?

Original Craig radio problem here,  I think.
My antenna hasn't always gone up and down like it has suppossed to.
Occaissonally it wouldn't go up, but more often than that it would simply
stay up after shutting down the car.
But now... it doesn't go up at all. So no radio reception to speak of, and I
don't dare put a tape in and break the ribbon cable (which the display
wasn't working all that great, either).

I am pretty sure the antenna motor isn't fused in the fuse box; is there an
inline fuse between the radio and the antenna motor? Or is my Craig gone
kaput?

---------
I read this somewhere:
"most experts agree that the end of the world will come by accident, most
likely. That's where we come in; we're Computer Experts, we make accidents."




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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 04:00:59 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: Overheating...

Besides all of the known electical problems affecting the cooling 
system I believe the largest source of trouble is LEAKS. The cooling 
system in the Delorean has many hoses and connections, many more than 
most cars because of the placement of the engine and radiator. If you 
haven't changed ALL of the hoses in at least the last 10 years you DO 
have leaks. Some of the leaks are very insidious. When the engine 
cools down they allow air to be drawn into the system. This is bad 
because air circulated in the coolant reduces the coolant's ability to 
tranfer the heat out of the motor into the radiator. Worse than that 
as the air passes in a "bubble" it causes the pump to stop 
momentaraly. The auto bleeder, if installed, helps but only so much. 
Some of the leaks are on top of the motor under the air intake 
manifold. They can't be seen as the coolant puddles into the recesses 
in the block and is evaporated by the heat of the motor. There are 
several seals and hoses that can't be seen so if your system won't 
hold 15 psi for 15 minutes without losing pressure assume the worst. 
If you find yourself adding small quantities of coolant after using 
the car, coolant isn't consumed, it has leaked out and gets replaced 
by air. Eventually you may notice that the heater doesn't work before 
the temp gauge starts to move higher than normal. Be warned that in 
the event of a large loss of coolant you cannot trust the temp gauge 
as there is no coolant for it to measure! You wouldn't drive on 20 
year old tires but many of the Deloreans that I have seen still have 
origional belts and hoses. With winter comming and many owners putting 
the car away for winter now would be a good time to put some new parts 
into the cooling system, it is one of the least glamorous and most 
neglected systems on the car. The PRV-6 is very rugged but it can be 
damaged by overheating it. The parts you would need, although 
expensive, are still cheaper than getting stuck, towed, and then doing 
all of the work anyway especially if it happens away from home. 
Unfortunatly that is exactly what happened to one of the participants 
in last year's Fall Tour. He knew he had "something going on" with the 
cooling system yet neglected to take care of it. His radiater after 
probably leaking for some time had it's left header tank blow off in 
downtown Newport. There was nothing anyone could do for him exept help 
him get it flatbedded to a shop. He was stuck several days till Rob 
Grady got home and shipped the parts and the shop could put them in. A 
little preventive care goes a LONG way. Before you go and buy door 
launchers or a luggage rack or fix up the interior money spent making 
the car more reliable is a much better investment. You may be looking 
good but you may also be stuck on the side of the road!  IMHO.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:40:58 -0700
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>
Subject: RE: door openers

I have no idea how my door opener kit would interface with a competitor's
product. The Zilla stuff is great and bulletproof, but having owned 6
DeLoreans over the last 15 years, I have personally not yet needed any of
it.  There are other less costly ways to achieve a similar level of safety
and convenience.  My kit is self contained - two 3-button remotes, receiver,
2 actuators, and linkage.  Its just a pair of actuators (not heavy
solenoids) that use existing wiring.  It unlocks the doors and opens one or
both doors. I use a standard keyless remote unit to power them, but you can
also use most alarm systems as long as there are extra buttons or functions
to use.  But with an alarm you wouldn't need half of my kit. This isn't
rocket science.  Frankly, anyone who is at all handy can do this without
using my or Grady's kit.  Think "power door locks" only its "unlock and
unlatch" instead of just unlock.  For a long time I declined offering a kit
because of the many variables - alarm systems, wiring, etc. - but due to
demand have finally put them on my web site.  Yes the wiring is the hardest
part, but if "plug and play" is worth an extra $800, you know where to go.

-- 
Darryl Tinnerstet
Specialty Automotive (delorean-parts.com)
McCleary, WA




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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 02:31:01 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: slightly off-tune? what to do?

In a message dated 9/26/01 9:40:41 PM Central Daylight Time, dherv10_at_dml_aol.com 
writes:


> Andy, Since it's a manual, It needs a clutch pressure plate and disk. If you 
> keep driving it the clutch plate will wear into the fly wheel and add more 
> expense. You can see all the parts, old and new on the web site along with 
> an 
> explanation of what's happening. www.specialtauto.com under drive train.
> John hervey
> 

John, 

thanks for the input but i sincerely believe the problem is not transmission 
related.  the clutch is not slipping, grinding, or anything.  it's the engine 
tuning or fuel injection that is out of wack somehow.  as for the clutch 
plate - i have a brand new centerforce clutch as of two months ago.  that 
stuff had BETTER be good after only about 1500 miles! (and i never grind it 
or slip it anyway)

Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:46:07 -0000
From: christophe-v_at_dml_caramail.com
Subject: Re: Overheating...

Hi,

When I drive my car, the fans doesn't have to work because there is a 
sufficiency of air flow, the fans start only when I'm stopped with 
engine running. 
Of course, you must check everything said in previous mails, but did 
you check if you have some tartar in your radiator?
Perhaps the cooling system can't use all the surface of  the 
radiator, so it could explain why your engine overheat.

Best regards,

VIEIRA Christophe.
VIN#04271 / DL005.
Luxembourg.




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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 00:06:44 EDT
From: sand131_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: slightly off-tune? what to do?

If I were going to replace the clutch, pressure plate and throwout bearing I 
would also consider checking the slave cylinder. My clutch was bad at 8000 
miles and I put in a centerforce set up only to find the clutch was OK glazed 
but OK. The slave cylinder was corroded and would not allow enough movement 
in the clutch to engage it. But 15 years later it is still doing fine. Just a 
thought as a clutch replacement is no small job on a Delorean.
Regards,
Ralph
VIN1606


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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 23:28:10 -0500
From: Robert Greenhaw <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Cake's "Short Skirt/ Long Jacket" Video

Hey List,
   I was watching VH1 when the Cake video for their song
"Short Skirt/ Long Jacket" came on.  It's not really a music video...
just what people listening to the song and giving their reactions.
  Well, if you watch the background, not the people, you will notice
that in the scene with the guy on the corner, a DeLorean pulls up 
to the redlight!  Pretty Cool!  Watch it, you'll catch it....for 5
seconds! 

Also, there is a Techno/Pop group called the DeLoreans....they play
(gasp!)
New Wave music.  I believe they onl;y play around Chicago though.

Later,
Robert G.
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 02:56:45 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: tech manual on ebay

hey list,

anyone have any insight on how good this service manual is?  is it just a 
photocopy of the official DMC service manual or is it something totally 
different? i tried going to eNovel.com but it doesn't turn up in the search 
list.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1009034882

Andy
Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:52:44 -0000
From: edherrmann_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Re: tech manual on ebay

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> hey list,
> 
> anyone have any insight on how good this service manual is?  is it
just a 
> photocopy of the official DMC service manual or is it something


I e-mailed enovel today and they said the new manual will be on
their site today and other delorean related manuals will be coming in
the next few weeks. Not sure if it is just a reprint of the manuals
out their already. But we'll see.. ed 16228




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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:47:15 -0400
From: "Jack Singer" <jsinger_at_dml_i-c.net>
Subject: RE: tech manual on ebay

It is a reproduction of the origional, not a photocopy.  It is printed and
bound with a nice cover.  It is 8 1/2 by 11 and about 600 pages long.

Jack
5823
2418

-----Original Message-----
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:Soma576_at_dml_aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 2:57 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] tech manual on ebay


hey list,

anyone have any insight on how good this service manual is?  is it just a
photocopy of the official DMC service manual or is it something totally
different? i tried going to eNovel.com but it doesn't turn up in the search
list.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1009034882



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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 06:46:46 +0000
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Re: Craig kaput?

Too late now, you've probably lost a gear in the antenna mechanism.  Friction is
the enemy, what's needed is to wipe the antenna with WD-40, or equivalent, a few
times a year.  Had you done this when it was just being difficult you would
probably be ok now.  Replacement antennas are readily available: vendors, Radio
Shack, etc.

As to the display and not using the tape, both John Hervey and I do a near
bullet-proof repair at moderate cost.  Use your tape, why have something on the
car that you can't use?  Do you not use your air conditioner because you might
break it?

Les

K Creason wrote:

> Original Craig radio problem here,  I think.
> My antenna hasn't always gone up and down like it has suppossed to.
> Occaissonally it wouldn't go up, but more often than that it would simply
> stay up after shutting down the car.
> But now... it doesn't go up at all. So 



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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 19:14:44 -0000
From: SGSKBM_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Door Openers

I have not posted to this forum in a long time but I felt that the 
recent issues concerning the door launchers was important and I 
wanted to share my 2 cents worth.

Competition is the spice of life.  It keeps prices down and quality 
up.  The very reason that we all own a Delorean is that we wanted 
something different.

The Zilla products are well made and do offer a "plug and play" type 
of installation.  I am sure that they offer a delicate balance 
between price, performance, ease of installation and overall 
engineering. I currently have the Lock Zilla, Tank Zilla and Fan 
Zilla installed on my car.

Other entries into the door lancher market  offer viable alternatives 
and I appreciate the opportunity to choose between them.  I collect 
cars and current have nine including the Delorean.  

I would dearly love to have door launchers in my Delorean and I 
already have the LockZilla.  The thought of an additional $800 to 
$1,000 for this modification seems like it makes the option 
unafforable to me.  This "accessory," based on today's market would 
be 7% of the value of the entire car!  

Darryl's option is affordable and it appears to make use of the 
Dakota actuators which seem to be quality products.  While his 
version will entail more work, my labor, as a contributing factor to 
the overall costs, is insignificant.  In short, he offeres me 
affordability to an option that I want.

In looking at his option, it appears to me that his profit margin has 
to be very, very thin as the costs of the components from Dakota 
seems to add up to about the same price as he is charging.  Darryl 
appears to be trying to help those of us who are looking for an 
affordable option, the viability of owning door launchers.  I appluad 
his motives.

Overall ownership of my Delorean has been one of the most expensive 
undertakings that I have endured in the car collection process.  
While parts are, for the most part readily available, expertise is 
not, and in many cases I have paid out hudge amounts of money to 
solve simple problems!

The value of the car has not increased, not that I am looking to 
sell, and I see no real opportunity to view the car as anything but 
a "most enjoyable depreciating asset."  If I can obtain a desired 
option and save a significant amout of money by doing some of the 
work myself, then the alternative seems clear to me.

Just my 2 cents worth...

Scot Stern
6452  (11K miles)  




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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:42:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RE: door launchers

How nice to read Peter Lucas' comments on the door
launchers.  Like almost everything in life, there is
more than one approach to solving a problem.  The
"best" approach is the one that works best for you. 
It may well not be the best approach for someone else.

Dick Ryan
VIN 16867

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