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Date: Thursday, October 11, 2001 2:57 AM

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There are 15 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Ohio DeLorean event this weekend
From: Mike Substelny <>

2. Re: Fw: State Farm Insurance Question

3. Cow Pie Power - reported by
From: "Michael G. Fischer" <>

4. performance shocks question

5. Re: How to add a fuel pressure monitor
From: "Rustproof" <>

6. Re: Schematic

7. straightening fascias

8. RE: fuel pressure monitor
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <>

9. repainting DMC logo on late cars

10. Re: putrid exhaust, imperfect idle

11. Re: Fw: State Farm Insurance Question
From: Dick Ryan <>

12. Quadrant top plate

13. airbox performance
From: "Cameron Putsch" <>

14. Headers in the UK?

15. Headers in the UK?

Message: 1
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 14:25:22 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <>
Subject: Ohio DeLorean event this weekend

This coming weekend (October 12-14) the DeLorean Club of Ohio will be
having its fall foliage driving event, this time in Marietta, Ohio.
Marietta is on the Eastern edge of Ohio, right along the Ohio River in
the foothills of the mountains.  The views should be spectacular!

The weekend should include: a tour of Fenton Glass Facotry, a Riverboat
Museum, a Riverboat dinner Cruise, and several opportunities to drive
the rolling countryside of the Ohio River Valley.

We will be staying at the Comfort Inn on 700 Pike Street, in Marietta.
This luxurious and modern hotel is located right on the banks of the
Ohio river.  Call 1-740-374-8190 to make your reservations.  This is a
big weekend for fall foliage tours, and the hotel is filling up fast!

Many thanks to Richard Strecker for coordinating this event.  Please
email Richard  dmc1219(at) to RSVP so that we know to expect you.

-Mike Substelny


Message: 2
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 13:49:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Fw: State Farm Insurance Question

At 11:14 PM 10/8/01 -0400, you wrote:
>The dreaded insurance question with a twist.
>I need help from owners who have State Farm Insurance .  I recently moved 
>to Florida and

>Any owners with State Farm, especially any Florida residents if you would 
>email me information privately it would be greatly appreciated.
You didn't put your email Cecil .... My car's been insured by State Farm 
for 18 years ... full coverage .... perhaps they will take on no "new" cars???

My Home Page ...
My Viper Pages ...


Message: 3
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 14:04:08 -0700
From: "Michael G. Fischer" <>
Subject: Cow Pie Power - reported by

  Well .. continuing the DeLorean references in the media

  Though the author seems to have confused John DeLorean with Malcolm
Chief Software Architect

 <<Cow Pie Power - reported by>> 

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 22:05:18 -0000
Subject: performance shocks question

i am planning on installing a cockpit adjustable suspension. does 
anyone know the name of a cross reference shock i can use for 


Message: 5
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:50:29 -0400
From: "Rustproof" <>
Subject: Re: How to add a fuel pressure monitor

Sorry the photo attachments didn't catch up with my last posting. I uploaded
the pictures of the engine compartment gages to the group album "Engine
vin 1559


Message: 6
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 20:58:51 EDT
Subject: Re: Schematic

In a message dated 10/9/01 1:55:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, writes:

<< Could you post the ordering information again.
 Scott Mueller
 DMCNEWS 002981
 DOA 5031 >>

Just e-mail to  and give him your credit card info.  
Bob Zilla will then e-mail you the zip file with the schematic in it.  I got 
it a few weeks ago and it really does look GREAT!  Definitely worth the 
$10.00 for it.

Nick Pitello
<A HREF="Http://">Http://</A>


Message: 7
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:58:30 EDT
Subject: straightening fascias

    I am going to have my fascias painted within the next 2 weeks.  The front 
has a large eyebrow which I would like to take care of.  I was thinking about 
putting 2x4's on the top and bottom part above the headlights and clamping 
them while heating the fascia with a heat gun.  Will this do the job or 
should I try something else?  Once I get them straight I will epoxy some flat 
bar aluminum/stainless to the top so it doesn't warp again.  Let me know if 
anyone has any better ideas.  
    Also, I have a large chip out of the black part of the bumper where it 
looks like a front license plate holder was ripped out leaving an inch long 
gouge.  I thought I remember reading the fascias were supposed to be filled 
with some type of glue when damaged and not bondo. any help would be greatly 



Message: 8
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 20:14:52 -0700
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <>
Subject: RE: fuel pressure monitor

> I myself prefer to let Bob and Darryl and John and you (and all the
> others) slowly go broke helping the rest of us maintain and improve
> our beloved cars. Bless you all!

Touche'.  You know, it just hit me the other day that I beat my brains out
all year doing this just so I can save up enough to make my annual payment
to my ex wife (for "her share" of the business).  I needed a drink after

Darryl Tinnerstet
Specialty Automotive
McCleary, WA


Message: 9
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 02:56:11 EDT
Subject: repainting DMC logo on late cars

Hey guys,

one project pointed out to me at a car show i was recently in was suggesting 
that i repaint the black background of my DeLorean hood badge (i have an 82). 
 over time it has faded to being just stains of dark gray, in fact the whole 
badge was nearly stripped of paint.  i had noticed it before but never really 
thought much of it. so, this week i decided to repaint it.

anyway, this is what i did:  
i went to the local hardware store and bought a can of OX RUST Black Enamel 
paint which claims it is for painting metal so it doesn't rust.  it was the 
best stuff i could find at the store that seemed to be what i wanted.  i took 
it home and got some masking tape which i covered basically a good 8 inches 
around the entire badge.  i then covered the rest of the right side of my 
hood and front fascia with towels in case the spray paint misted out and 
landed on the untaped parts of my hood.  i then sprayed the whole badge a 
couple of times, and watched the paint basically run off of the badge onto my 
tape!  some stayed but it always thinned out and ran off.  the extra towels 
were a good thing because the paint did kind of cloud out!  anyway i sprayed 
the badge probably 4 times before a good amount began to stick to it.  i let 
it sit about 10 minutes, then wiped some of the paint off of the raised 
letters and used my fingertip to 'pat' the paint onto the places where it 
just ran off of before.  this was somewhat time comsuming but it didn't make 
the paint look uneven - it did exactly what i wanted it to do, get paint to 
stick where it wasn't before.  i then let this job dry for about 30 minutes, 
then i sprayed the whole thing one more time.  this time i was painting on 
top of paint and the paint stayed as well as made the whole badge look much 
more uniform.  then i let it sit overnight.  today i came out to the car and 
checked the job.  looked pretty good but the paint looks pretty thick on the 
back ground.  at least it doesn't appear to be uneven.  i pulled back the 
tape and was momentarily horrified when i saw black paint had seeped into the 
tape and stained my precious hood!! luckily none had gone onto the fascia.  
however i quickly realized that this is stainless steel!  so i got some paint 
thinner on a rag and wiped most of the paint off with that (it hadn't totally 
cured yet). then for the paint that got on the hood all around the very base 
of the badge, i used an old toothbrush with paint thinner on it.  that worked 
beautifully.  now i had a totally black badge with clean stainless around it. 
 i grabbed my scotchbrite pad and carefully scraped the paint off of the 
letters of the badge, leaving the background untouched.  once i had that 
perfectly shiny with a nice horizontal grain, i resurfaced the whole hood 
because the toothbrust and sideways scotchbrite left a couple tiny horizontal 
scratches.  i then cleaned the hood with water and a dry towel and admired my 
quick work.  not too bad for an impromptu job!  my only complaint is that the 
paint looks a little thick on the whole badge.  i would have liked to have 
gotten only maybe 2 coats of paint on but like i said, the paint just doesn't 
stick well.  but anyway - it's WAY better than it was before!

has anyone else tried repainting their hood badge?  any good tips if i were 
to redo it someday?

1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102

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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:54:12 -0000
Subject: Re: putrid exhaust, imperfect idle

Get the engine hooked up to an exhaust analyzer and adjust the fuel 
mixture screw. Make sure that you plug up the hole that the wrench 
goes through during adjustments and when done. The engine is running 
WAY too rich and you will cause damage by overheating the converter if 
allowed to continue. If you see clouds of white or grey smoke even 
after the engine warms up it is a tell-tale sign that coolant is 
getting into the combustion chamber and mixing with the exhaust. If 
after adjusting the fuel mixture the smoke continues, pressure test 
the coolant system and use a combustion leak tester to confirm. This 
is most commonly caused by overheating the motor and blowing the head 
gasket. In extreme cases the motor will be damaged by hydrostatic lock 
as liquids in the combustion chamber are incompressable and will 
damage pistons, con rods, and valves. If you are losing coolant and 
you don't see any leaks it is comming out the tailpipe.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757
A.S.E. Master Automobile Technician

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Hello All,
> i posted a few weeks ago about this problem but now that i have some 
> hard data, it may be easier to determine the problem.
> the problem/symptoms are these:  the car starts and runs all the 
> time (almost never dies unless i'm screwing around with it) however
> no matter if the engine is warm or cold, the idle isn't very steady.

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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:03:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dick Ryan <>
Subject: Re: Fw: State Farm Insurance Question

The State Farm question is extremely interesting. 
Here's another twist.  

When I moved from California to Colorado I had to
change insurance companies because I was insured
through the AAA of So Cal.  In CO I insured my house,
my business and two of my three cars with State Farm. 

They did take the liability portion.  As soon as I
found a different company (Harford through AARP - non
cancellable for life) I moved EVERYTHING over.  BTW,
that was 12 years ago so the State Farm issue is not a
new one.

Dick Ryan
VIN 16867 

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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:59:21 -0000
Subject: Quadrant top plate

Hello all,

On my car (VIN 3092) the quadrant top plate was in pieces when I 
purchased the car. This part is no longer available from any of the 
vendors. Has anyone ever had any luck fabricating a new one? The 
plastic one was pretty flimsy, maybe one made of stainless steel 
would be a nice addition.

Anyone willing to take this bull by the horns? I don't have the 
slightest idea how to get a project like a stainless steel quad plate 
underway. I'm not even sure any shop in my medium sized city would 
have the resources to do this.

Thoughts on a replacement, plastic or stainless?



Message: 13
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:21:34 +0200
From: "Cameron Putsch" <>
Subject: airbox performance

I see that alot of you are very skeptical about my airbox's performance gains over the original. I sugest you wait a couple of weeks until my first buyers tell you all about it before you speculate too much. Also, be care full about using foam and screens etc. for filters. They will still allow fine dust to enter, I would rather see you fit a K&N filter with a foam gasket then do this. 

Sincerely, Casey at

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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:05:08 -0000
Subject: Headers in the UK?

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Sorry, please email me at tmasterlc(at)



Message: 15
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:02:11 -0000
Subject: Headers in the UK?

Dear List
Im hoping to find a member with a "D" in or close to London that 
could stop by a local header manufacturer in London and see if the 
headers they have will indeed fit the Delorean.  Please email me 
privately for the details.

Ron & Cheryl

2001 Houston Concours Winner


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