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Date: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 2:44 AM

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There are 12 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Front License Plate
From: Jason Pucci <jasonsdlo_at_dml_yahoo.com>

2. Re: DAILY DRIVER DMC
From: mark_at_dml_wizwarecomputers.com

3. Re: Front License Plate
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

4. Re: Re: Front License Plate
From: E Grauff <datamonk_at_dml_svn.net>

5. Re: engine swaps
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

6. Re: DAILY DRIVER DMC
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

7. Re: Re: DAILY DRIVER DMC
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

8. Re: Airbox performance
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

9. Re: Re: Front License Plate
From: "Ryan Foster" <westiething_at_dml_hotmail.com>

10. RE: Front License Plate
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

11. RE: Re: Front License Plate
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

12. RE: 3rd brake light
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:51:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jason Pucci <jasonsdlo_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Front License Plate


Delorean One has a special stainles steel license plate mount that uses existing screws under the bumper.  I have one for my NJ license plate.  It's about $37.
  yoogoo.kang_at_dml_mail.tju.edu wrote: I moved to New Jersey that requires front and back license plates. 
Is there any way to place the front license plate without making 
holes on the front bumper? Your advice is appreciated.
YG Kang 



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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 20:54:58 -0000
From: mark_at_dml_wizwarecomputers.com
Subject: Re: DAILY DRIVER DMC

I hope you don't have a girlfriend. If you do, don't plan on keeping 
her too long after she realizes you spend more time and money with 
the car than with her!

Seriously, don't even consider this if you don't get a perfectly 
clean car. And I'll bet you'll spend over a month's salary right away 
just getting it to a point where you want it. I just got done with 
college a couple years ago and I now decided to buy one. I am VERY 
glad I didn't do it during college. There are a lot more fun things 
(girls, beer, trips) to spend money on than taking care of a car. I 
think you may end up regretting it.

Just my honest opinion,
Mark
#10901 -(wanted one badly all through college and finally bought one 
when I graduated)

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Adam Bucherati <adamb35_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> I earn (NET) about $900-950 a month.  I don't have to
> pay rent or anything, just gas and college tuition.  I
> need to know if a DeLorean is a good investment as a
> daily driver.  I'll will (if I buy the car) be paying
> about $350 a month, plus $110 on insurance, if I buy a
> $14000 DMC.  I would appreciate some unbiased input
> about the reliabilty of these cars, from a Delorean
> owner.  Would this be a good investment for me? 
> Thanks, Adam
> 
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 16:15:13 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Front License Plate

In a message dated 10/16/01 1:20:53 PM Central Daylight Time, 
yoogoo.kang_at_dml_mail.tju.edu writes:


> I moved to New Jersey that requires front and back license plates.  
> Is there any way to place the front license plate without making 
> holes on the front bumper?  Your advice is appreciated.
> 


Ask DMCHouston for the stainless steel license plate bracket.  requires no 
drilling!

Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:37:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: E Grauff <datamonk_at_dml_svn.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Front License Plate

Do I remember correct that some cars shipped with these brackets under the
spare tire?  Or am I mixing things up?

If it's true then it's worth taking a look . . .

> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., yoogoo.kang_at_dml_m... wrote:
> > I moved to New Jersey that requires front and back license plates.
> > Is there any way to place the front license plate without making
> > holes on the front bumper?  Your advice is appreciated.
> > YG Kang
>




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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:46:38 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: engine swaps

I'm not trying to be a purist, or anything like that. So I will leave 
that out of this posting. But you will be disappointed with the 
DeLorean if you try to drag race it. The chassis isn't able to handle 
the extra tourque, and since the wieght is in the rear, the front end 
is more likely to come up. You will need to prepare for a long hard 
road ahead full on modifications that are not traditional, and VERY 
expensive!

If you REALLY want to, then of course no one is going to be able to 
stop you. After all, I've seen DeLoreans with Chevy, Buick, and Land 
Rover engines. I've seen DeLoreans converted into time machines, 4x4 
SUV's, trailers, and even a tow truck. What's one more, right?

Heed the warnings that lie ahead. If you really want an exotic car to 
drag, I would advise you to start looking at a Pantera with the Ford 
powerplant. The mounts are already in place, and you'll have room for 
extras. The PRV is a great engine, but a seriously neglected one when 
it comes to the world of aftermarket mods. The turbo charged 4-
bangers that Volvo put out IMO forced the PRV out of the way. You'll 
find more mods and accessories for B23 series engines than you ever 
will for the PRV family.

So, that's why you'll need to swap out the engine. Structurally, the 
car will not be torsionally strong enough with the gullwing doors.

If you want to make a DeLorean drag racer, I would construct a 
tubular, double Y, single backbone chassis in the same design as the 
current one. Use the Porsche tranny mounted to the engine of your 
choice. Construct the chassis to the mounts you will require for the 
drive train, and to accomodate the exhaust system. Be prepaired to 
modify the rear to accomodate the larger engine as well. You'll 
probably need to stretch the rear to go into the facia.

Another option could be to avoid using a DeLorean at all. I would 
follow the above steps (another option here is a double Y, double 
backbone chassis), but next, you could contruct the underbody from 
GRP. Plywood to form, and foam and fiberglass to complete the 
sandwich. The biggest thing of all will be the outside. Say goodbye 
to the gullwing doors. Hinge the canopy at the front for easy access 
to the engine, and to keep the car exotic. Just as DMC did for the 
prototype cars, and owners do for old CJ Jeeps, you could commission 
stainless steel skin for the outside of the car to go over the canopy.

I know this isn't totally DeLorean related. But I have also been 
thinking about the tubular chassis idea for my own stock car (I got 
the idea from when I found a web page where the owner had done the 
same thing for his Lotus). Keep the strength, but also reduce the 
overall wieght of the car. If any one has anything to add, please e-
mail me privately off of the list.

-Robert
vin 6585



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., monkeydemond_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Hi, can a chevy 350 fit in a delo? the stock PRV engine doesn't 
have enought 
> power for me(i want to drag race). is it possible? and what would 
it take?
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> Tom
> monkeydemond_at_dml_a...                             
> 
> 
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 18:33:10 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: DAILY DRIVER DMC

I recommend getting a DeLorean IF you can keep it safe from vandalism, keep
it from being baked every day in the sun, and keep it running.  Depending on
your situation, these may be big 'if's.

When trying to get insurance, an agent described the car as among the most
attention-getting cars of any on the road.  From experience I have learned
that this is very true; however, it is not a bad thing.  I get a lot of
people asking questions, and I always find the time to answer them.  It is
quite a mood-booster.  Most people are very polite to me in traffic.  Get
this: they actually WANT me to pull out in front of them so that they can
get a better look at the car.

If you need to live conservatively then buy a basic transportation car, save
as much money as you can and then get a better car when you can better
afford it.  I think that a DeLorean would be a poor choice if you are moving
out of state to a college that is full of testosterone-laden fraternity
pranks.  You may not have the time, space, tools, money and security to
maintain it.  But if your living expenses are already covered (maybe you are
living with your parents still) then you may be in a better position to
significantly increase your coolness factor by several levels.  (A DeLorean
will certainly do this.)

Keep in mind that the newer a car is, the faster it will loose value.
DeLoreans, on the other hand, have already hit the bottom of the
depreciation curve and are now probably increasing in value.  Barring
accidents and vandalism, the price of consumable parts on a DeLorean are on
par with most other cars.  The cost of major repairs is padded by the
assurance that the car should at least maintain its value and always be
collectible.

Buy the DeLorean.  I insist.

Walt Tampa, FL





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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 19:06:08 -0500
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Re: DAILY DRIVER DMC

> remarks and the finger.

Why are there morons like that on the loose?
I had that happen to me last week. Some rangy-looking idiot in an old ratty
LeBaron kept racing through traffic and leaning across the ugly woman in the
passenger seat to give me the finger.
All you can do is hope that they can't figure out how to reproduce.....

On the real issue... I would also suggest waiting until after college and
when your finances will allow for you to take proper care of the car. If you
neglect it, it will make it harder to catch-up when you get with school and
do have the resources to baby her.

I've been out of school a while, and have a family (that drain my $$ every
which way) and I sometimes feel that way.

Kevin
#4687, Houston.




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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 20:55:43 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Airbox performance

With all the discussion about what Casey's new air box will do, I found some
relevant text in a book titled, "Bosch Fuel Injection Systems" by Forbes
Aird.

In the chapter titled "Performance Modifications", The author states,
"... if you make minor modifications to improve the air handling capacity of
a street engine, say by fitting a low-restriction air cleaner, or a
free-flow exhaust system, or by taking a light cut off the cylinder head to
raise the compression, or by matching ports, then there is almost certainly
enough "head-room" -- reserve capacity -- in your existing Bosch EFI system
to match the slightly increased rate of airflow, with the same precision it
handled the stock motor.  You'll have a sweet running motor with a little
more power."

This should answer the concern that someone brought up that the air flow
meter would negate any improvements in air delivery because it would always
meter the respective amount of fuel for any amount of air.  After reading a
lot of this book, it is apparent that lifting some of the restriction on air
intake will increase both the air AND fuel available to the engine, but this
will only be noticeable at higher RPMs.  I doubt there would be any
improvement at idle or low speeds, but low speed is not what we are
interested in.  :)

For the DIY mechanic, this book goes a long way in explaining how the
DeLorean's fuel injection system works.  I just wish I had more time to read
stuff like that.

Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:06:45
From: "Ryan Foster" <westiething_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Front License Plate

DMC of Houstion Makes a Stainless Steel Front plate bracket that uses 
existing bolts to mount to the front of the car. You know where the Screen 
is there are three bolts that you just unbolt and place the bracket in place 
and your all done very clean and nice looking.
Ryan.


>From: E Grauff <datamonk_at_dml_svn.net>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [DML] Re: Front License Plate
>Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:37:22 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Do I remember correct that some cars shipped with these brackets under the
>spare tire?  Or am I mixing things up?
>
>If it's true then it's worth taking a look . . .
>
> > --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., yoogoo.kang_at_dml_m... wrote:
> > > I moved to New Jersey that requires front and back license plates.
> > > Is there any way to place the front license plate without making
> > > holes on the front bumper?  Your advice is appreciated.
> > > YG Kang
> >
>
>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 22:53:03 -0400
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: RE: Front License Plate

I too live in NJ, and I have to go for inpection next month.  The previous
owner told me he use to ty-wrap the plate to the grill under the front
bumper before inspection and cut it off afterwards.
I plan on doing the same.

I do not want to ruin the look of the car with plate on the front.  Illegal
in NJ? Yes.  Do I care? No.

I am willing to pay a $30 fine (if a cop ACTUALLY did pull me over for that)

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Pucci [mailto:jasonsdlo_at_dml_yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 4:52 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] Front License Plate



Delorean One has a special stainles steel license plate mount that uses
existing screws under the bumper.  I have one for my NJ license plate.  It's
about $37.
  yoogoo.kang_at_dml_mail.tju.edu wrote: I moved to New Jersey that requires front
and back license plates.
Is there any way to place the front license plate without making
holes on the front bumper? Your advice is appreciated.
YG Kang



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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 22:54:07 -0400
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: RE: Re: Front License Plate

P.S. i carry my other plate in the car..."just in case"

-----Original Message-----
From: E Grauff [mailto:datamonk_at_dml_svn.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 5:37 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] Re: Front License Plate


Do I remember correct that some cars shipped with these brackets under the
spare tire?  Or am I mixing things up?

If it's true then it's worth taking a look . . .

> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., yoogoo.kang_at_dml_m... wrote:
> > I moved to New Jersey that requires front and back license plates.
> > Is there any way to place the front license plate without making
> > holes on the front bumper?  Your advice is appreciated.
> > YG Kang
>



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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 20:11:36 -0700
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>
Subject: RE: 3rd brake light

> Has anyone mounted a LED 3rd brake light?  Are they any good?  Was going to
> order one from JC Whitney catalog.

Actually the small JC Whitney LED ones work great.  Order two, and mount
them under the top louver, one on each side of the rib, with the double
sided tape that should come with them.  Connect the wires together, then
leave a loop and run them forward between the sheet metal of the T-panel and
the plastic piece that is below the back edge of it.  Then run a wire to
either 1/4 panel and down through the hollow space at the top edge of it to
the back corner, then down behind the panel to the tail light.  Remove the
light, figure out which wires are the brake light and ground (black) and
connect them.  Very easy.  I've used them on several cars over the last 15
years with no problems.

-- 
Darryl Tinnerstet
Specialty Automotive
McCleary, WA




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