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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 744
Date: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 10:31 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: No Front License Plate in NJ
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

2. Re: DAILY DRIVER DMC
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

3. Re: engine swaps
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com

4. Re: [Airbox performance
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

5. JZD's address
From: "Cameron Putsch" <putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu>

6. Re: Front License Plate
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

7. RE: Front License Plate
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

8. Re: engine swaps
From: "Richard Cutter" <dmc_power_at_dml_hotmail.com>

9. Re: 3rd brake light
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

10. Re: Front License Plate
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

11. [ETDOC] November 3-4 meet in Gatlinburg, TN
From: Aaron Posey <cadysrme_at_dml_yahoo.com>

12. RE: Front License Plate
From: Jay Jones <JayJones_at_dml_FirstFederal-Bank.com>

13. Re: Re: DAILY DRIVER DMC (long)
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

14. Re: engine swaps
From: delorean502_at_dml_excite.com

15. New performance airbox pictures!
From: "Cameron Putsch" <putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu>

16. Yellowing/rust
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com

17. towing a delorean
From: jake_at_dml_ragingbull.com

18. RE: DAILY DRIVER DMC
From: "Palatinus, Joe" <jopalatinus_at_dml_davidson.edu>

19. Re: towing a delorean
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

20. deloreans magazine...
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

21. Re: towing a delorean
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

22. College Deloreans
From: "Willie Mack" <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>

23. RE: 2001 Euro Auto Festival
From: "Palatinus, Joe" <jopalatinus_at_dml_davidson.edu>

24. removing mirror glass
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com

25. Re: towing a delorean
From: deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 23:48:59 -0400
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: No Front License Plate in NJ

>  Illegal in NJ? Yes.  Do I care? No.
> I am willing to pay a $30 fine (if a cop ACTUALLY did pull me over for
that)

Not so fast... When I was living in NJ, the front plate on my "other" car
fell off, and I was driving home to fix it, as well as the emergency brake
cable, so it would pass inspection.  I had the new brake cable in my car,
and was driving to my parent's place to do the repairs and get inspected
THAT DAY.  A cop pulled me over for no front plate and then found out I was
also out of inspection.  After it was all said and done, I had a $195 ticket
in front of me for just those two infractions.  Good thing I wasn't
speeding.  So don't think it's going to be such a small fine in NJ.

-Hank #1619






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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:04:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: DAILY DRIVER DMC

hey adam,
  well what i suggest is before you do anything, get into contact with your area owners! go to events! i am a college sophomore myself, and have been involved in the delorean community for a little over a year now. i am finally looking for my ideal delorean. i can't tell you how much you will learn by just meeting your local owners and going to delorean events. you get to hear all the problems and things they deal with owning deloreans, and through this you start to learn what you need to look for in a D. they will teach you how to look for all the necessary updates, and what questions to ask when checking out a perspective buy. here are a few things i have learned over the last year-
1)deloreans are money pits. the general delorean "rule" is the price of the car + repairs= $20,000. i have found out that really often that the total cost of ownership can be more like $25,000 even $30,000. no matter how much money you put into a delorean, it is still only a $15,000-$20,000 car at best.
2)when looking for a delorean, you want one that is kept running. sitting deloreans=disaster, and incredible money to be spent. i looked at a D a couple of weeks ago that had $18,000 in mechanical reciepts, all of this was spent over the course of only 3 years! so for a daily driver, buy a delorean that has THOUSANDS of dollars in documented reciepts. otherwise you just don't know what you are getting in to.
3)of course there are lots of specific things to look out for, like all the necessary cooling and electrical system updates, and know to run away from cars with frame rust. this is a potentially VERY expensive problem.
like i said before, the best thing you can do is to meet as many owners as possible, and they will teach you so much. after a year of being around the delorean community, i now think i am getting an idea of what to expect from delorean ownership. although all the things i have learned have scared me a little, i want a delorean more than ever. i have been around cars all my life, i truly think deloreans are the most unique cars on the road. they have the biggest personality i have ever seen in a car. so if you really do your homework, a delorean works out great as long as you have the money and patience. as a delorean friend of mine always says: just be prepared for the worst possible situation, and you'll never be dissapointed! just know this, don't buy the first D you see, and learn to be skeptical. good luck in your search. -Louie

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 04:16:43 -0000
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com
Subject: Re: engine swaps

Sounds like a good Idea with the tubular chassis...I'm sure the guys 
at Pierce (sp?) design would be able to handle a job like that since 
they have built an exact duplicate of the existing chassis out of 
SS. Should not be hard at all for them to do some mods to their 
design process and keep everything aligned at the same time.

As for drag racing a Delorean? Wrong car to be doing that. For the 
amount of money you would have to sink into the car to modify it you 
can get a Pantera OR a Mustang OR an SS, etc.., mod it and still 
have money left over to buy gas for it. Not to mention that 
performance parts and replacement parts can be found in every mail 
order magazine, corner autoparts store and dealer for those cars.

Just my 2 cents,

Steve

> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., monkeydemond_at_dml_a... wrote:
> > Hi, can a chevy 350 fit in a delo? the stock PRV engine doesn't 
> have enought 
> > power for me(i want to drag race). is it possible? and what 
would 
> it take?
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > 
> > Tom
> > monkeydemond_at_dml_a...                             
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:35:30 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: [Airbox performance

In a message dated 10/13/01 3:44:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu writes:


> I realize what gain many other air intakes do(only a couple of ponys). 
> However, for 250$ it is a VERY easy instalation that looks damn good and IS 
> 

While I'd like a little more pep too, at times, it's the LOOK of that crummy 
OEM breather that's always bugged me.  Of course, stock airboxes on most 
vehicles are ugly plastic I guess, but I always felt that was the first thing 
your eye landed on, and it's about as attractive as your grandma's frying 
pan. A new, sharp looking airbox would be worth it to me even if it CUT the 
hp a few points!

-Wayne
11174 


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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:54:06 +0200
From: "Cameron Putsch" <putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu>
Subject: JZD's address

I am sure that someone out there has Mr. Delorean's mailing address. Anyway, I would very much like to get it. I promise not to give it to anyone else and also to tell you I am not looking for an autograph or anything, but would like to show my appreciation for his origional car and for the possible ones of the future. Basicaly I am not causing him or anyone else a hassle nor am I asking for anything. Anyway, I would very much like to write him. Please help me out.

Sincerely, Casey at putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu  


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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:55:58 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Front License Plate

In a message dated 10/16/01 9:22:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
datamonk_at_dml_svn.net writes:


> Do I remember correct that some cars shipped with these brackets under the
> spare tire?  

The original license plate bracket, which was shipped with the car, did 
indeed require drilling into the front bumper, something which nobody today 
would want to do. Most have been discarded along the way and never installed. 
 I've only seen one, personally. They are pictured in the parts manual and 
the service bulletins manual, BTW.

I too am a NJ owner not using a front tag.  I got the aftermarket bracket, 
but couldn't mount it... my bolts are pretty rusted under there. I was told 
by a couple of people that if I keep the second tag in sight inside the car, 
I can get away with it. That's what I do, I leave it in back of the cargo net 
with the fire extinguisher. Went through inspection that way too.  And I'm a 
daily driver.  So far, I've never been pulled over.  And I like the tagless 
look better.   If you'd want to get a bracket anyway, contact me off the 
list.  I have my 19 month old stainless steel one, still wrapped im plastic, 
and I'd make you a deal.

Wayne 
Bridgeton, NJ
11174


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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 07:59:04 -0500
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Front License Plate

If you fasten the plate to the rock screen in front of the radiator, you
will block some of the airflow.  You will notice this in hot weather when
you overheat your engine.

Scott Mueller
DMCNEWS 002981
DOA 5031

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Abato [mailto:delorean_at_dml_abato.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 9:53 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DML] Front License Plate


I too live in NJ, and I have to go for inpection next month.  The previous
owner told me he use to ty-wrap the plate to the grill under the front
bumper before inspection and cut it off afterwards.




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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:40:59 +0000
From: "Richard Cutter" <dmc_power_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: engine swaps

Hello Tom....

You have already received a few good suggestions on why the DMC is not a 
good choice for racing and I agree, if you desite more power for it to make 
it a more enjoyable street car, look at
www.americancustomeng.com and look under the DMC section....
They offer a Northstar V8 ( its short and fits ), I drive one and it is a 
kick...
Rich Cutter
#5467


>From: monkeydemond_at_dml_aol.com
>Subject: [DML] engine swaps
>Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 00:13:05 EDT
>
>Hi, can a chevy 350 fit in a delo? the stock PRV engine doesn't have 
>enought
>power for me(i want to drag race). is it possible? and what would it take?
>>
>Thanks  Tom


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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:51:56 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: 3rd brake light

One thing I would like to add, there should be installed at the point 
you tap off for the new light an in-line fuse. The wires going to the 
3rd brake light must pass some tight places and sharp edges. With a 
fuse installed if the wiring to the 3rd light should ever get grounded 
at least you still have the origional stop lights. BTW I attached the 
ground wire to one of the screws behind the trim for the "T" roof so I 
only ran 1 wire back to the right rear tail light. I used a small (5 
amp) fuse, It is more than the light needs but will certainly blow if 
there is ever a problem. A putty knife is a slick way to tuck the wire 
into the joints so it is hidden.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl_at_dml_t...> wrote:
> > Has anyone mounted a LED 3rd brake light?  Are they any good?  Was 
going to
> > order one from JC Whitney catalog.
> 
> Actually the small JC Whitney LED ones work great.  Order two, and 
mount
> them under the top louver, one on each side of the rib, with the 
double
> sided tape that should come with them.  Connect the wires together, 
then
> leave a loop and run them forward between the sheet metal of the 
T-panel and
> the plastic piece that is below the back edge of it.  Then run a 
wire to
> either 1/4 panel and down through the hollow space at the top edge 
of it to
> the back corner, then down behind the panel to the tail light.  
Remove the
> light, figure out which wires are the brake light and ground (black) 
and
> connect them.  Very easy.  I've used them on several cars over the 
last 15
> years with no problems.
> 
> -- 
> Darryl Tinnerstet
> Specialty Automotive
> McCleary, WA




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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:02:33 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: Front License Plate

Once the police realize you are a NJ registered car and don't have 
your front plate you will draw their ire! The police with laser radar 
favor aiming the laser at the front plate as it is a nice target with 
a flat surface made to reflect the laser beam. The police may get the 
idea you aren't wearing your front plate so as to evade the speed 
tracking because there aren't any other good points on the front of 
the car to reflect a laser beam off of. Many times once they pull you 
over they have already made up their minds as to giving out a ticket 
or not. If they can't ticket you for what they initially pulled you 
over for they can almost always find "something". The idea is to be as 
inconspicous as possible so they do't see anyting initially. Not 
having a front plate is too inviting.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> If you fasten the plate to the rock screen in front of the radiator, 
you
> will block some of the airflow.  You will notice this in hot weather 
when
> you overheat your engine.
> 
> Scott Mueller
> DMCNEWS 002981
> DOA 5031
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Abato [mailto:delorean_at_dml_a...]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 9:53 PM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_y...
> Subject: RE: [DML] Front License Plate
> 
> 
> I too live in NJ, and I have to go for inpection next month.  The 
previous
> owner told me he use to ty-wrap the plate to the grill under the 
front
> bumper before inspection and cut it off afterwards.




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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 07:08:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Aaron Posey <cadysrme_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: [ETDOC] November 3-4 meet in Gatlinburg, TN

Hello Group-

I have the hotel set up for the meet for those of you that
want to come the day before and spend the evening in
Gatlinburg.

The hotel is Park Vista; Call 800-421-7275 or 865-436-9211
for reservations. Tell them you are with the East TN
DeLorean Owners Club and you will get the rate of
$89..instead of the normal rate of $129.99

Hope to see many of you there. If you have any questions,
don't hesitate to ask.

Thanks-

Aaron Posey
ETDOC

cadysrme_at_dml_yahoo.com
800-936-6904
865-310-2228



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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:05:40 -0500
From: Jay Jones <JayJones_at_dml_FirstFederal-Bank.com>
Subject: RE: Front License Plate

*****  Moderator's Note  *****
The DML does not condone violating any local statutes regarding
license plates.  Brackets are available from all of the DeLorean
vendors for non-invasive mounting of front license plates.

Please consider this thread closed.

*****  

Minnesota has the double plate as well, However having the Big D for almost
6 months now I still have not put on the front plate.  I keep it in the car
just in case.  As far as being inconspicuous, well I gave that up when I got
a DeLorean.  I haven't been stopped yet but I did ask an officer about it.
He said that what would probably happen is that if the police did notice I
didn't have one on then they would write out the ticket to say that I have
30 days to get it on there.  Just like they do with a broken tail light or a
burned out head light.  Personally I have no intention of putting it on
there until I am required to.  Even if after all of that you still have a
great excuse to not put on one.  If stopped and asked why I didn't put on
the front plate I will explain that this is a classic car (at least in
Minnesota), and that I didn't want to change the way it looks or drill
holes.  I think this is not only logical but showing that you care about
that car.  If after all of that you still get ticketed then all I can say is
you're having a bummer of a day.

VIN 1118.

Jay Jones, CNE
First Federal Bank
Network Administrator
Desk (320)-234-4553
Cell   (320)- 583-9652
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:36:13 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: DAILY DRIVER DMC (long)

Hello Adam,

i can give you the facts first-hand as a college student with a DeLorean.  
owning one at this young age is a definite toss-up.  i had wanted one for 
probably 10 years of my life prior to college, and when i graduated from high 
school, the first semester in college, i treated myself to a $16,000 
present!!!

was it smart? probably damn right stupid, actually!!  even though i bought a 
car that i know was in decent shape and well cared for, it IS a 20-year-old 
car and i am approaching the rule of $20K pretty soon.  and i still want to 
rebuild my A/C system and put a new radiator and cooling fans in!!!!! i will 
be over $20K easily by the end of 2002.  a car like this always needs things, 
especially if you are as anal as i am.  i want everything to work perfectly 
all of the time, and it is quite enjoyable to spend time alone with the car 
getting closer to that goal every day.  however, the rest of my young life 
has taken a major toll.  my life has become four things - working 35-40 hrs a 
week to support my DeLorean lifestyle (it's not a car - it is a NEW LIFE), 
going to school, seeing my girlfriend, and trying to find time to sleep 
sometime in there.  i have completely missed out on the 'college experience' 
- i pay cash for tuition to stay out of further debt, yet i live at home 
where i have a garage and free room and board.  i spend as little time on 
campus as possible and because of that i haven't made hardly a new friend 
there - and i'm a sophmore!  i work nearly every day to pay $400/mo car 
payment, credit card (mostly DMC stuff), $120/mo insurance for two cars, gas, 
etc.  i net about $1100/month, which barely covers everything by the end of 
the month.  good thing i got my girlfriend AFTER i got my DeLorean or else 
she would never have put up with the car - she knew what she was getting into 
before we started going out.  after school, work, girlfriend, i hardly ever 
see my other guy friends anymore.  maybe every other week i'll see them for 
awhile.  i used to play guitar and compose electronic music with vintage 
synthesizers - all of that stuff has since been sold to cover expenses.  i 
don't party pretty much at ALL anymore which is either a good or bad thing, 
due to my long work hours and such.   when i think about it, i really am 
throwing away my youth - all because of a car.  i can't even imagine what it 
would be like if i had instead bought a $5000 domestic car with low payments 
and i'd have $500 a month to spend on whatever i wanted - beer, guitars, 
music, road trippin, more beer, treat my GF to a nice dinner sometimes..... 
i'll never know what that it is like to have more money than i need. every 
month i wonder if i'll be late on a payment. that sucks, man. and i make more 
money than you do!  and just like you - before i had the car it looked like i 
had LOADS of money left over in the budget! WRONG!  in fact there have been 2 
times that i was very close to giving everything up and selling the car 
because i couldn't handle it anymore.  but it was my dream car.... i can't 
ever see myself selling it.

however, that's not to say that the whole experience hasn't been rewarding.  
i've met some great people through my DeLorean ownership - i've taken part in 
a number of car shows and i have won a trophy at every show i have attended 
that has awards.  i completely enjoy having the car that everyone on the 
street thinks isn't for real - i love having the college students do double 
takes and smiling, and i love having customers where i work ask who owns the 
DeLorean in the parking lot.  it's awesome!  every time i get in that car it 
is the best thing that happens to me all day.  it's something that i work 
hard for, and i appreciate the car more than you would ever imagine.  

stupid as all hell? the stupidest thing anyone still in school could do?  
completely and utterly moronic and boneheaded?  the thing to do if you want 
to wallow in debt?  DEFINITELY!

rewarding and ultra-cool?  YES!

if i had to do it all over again - i'm not sure what i would do.  i think i 
would have probably waited until after college, but then you don't know if 
you will get married right away and buy a house, and then you might NEVER buy 
a DeLorean.  but if you want something bad enough, you will get it.  it's 
just a question of WHEN and not IF.

if you do buy the car - resist the urge to make it perfect.  fix what you 
absolutely cannot live with as you get the money. always pay cash for parts, 
never get into the credit card malstrom.  if you do, you will only make a 
questionable financial situation even worse.

as for the daily driver - don't count on it.  my car seemed like it would be 
a good daily driver when i bought it, and it reasonably is, but i have had i 
think three major show stoppers, all of them very expensive repairs.  good 
thing i still have my trusty but getting rusty 87 Plymouth Turismo on the 
side! but at least i know i will not have problems in those areas anymore for 
a very long time now that they have been fixed correctly.  

as for driving in winter - only do this if you want to kill yourself and 
total your brand new toy.  reasons:
1. the car is too short to see above snowbanks on corners, and the stainless 
steel seems to render it invisible.
2. the heater is not powerful nor very hot. better bundle up!
3. everything seems to work less perfectly in the winter - locks, gas struts, 
latches, door handles break off, etc etc etc.  
4.  the car handles pretty poorly in the winter due to being rear-drive and a 
majority of rear weight.  any turn taken on ice, sleet, or low-traction 
surface, especially coupled with braking, will send you into the most wicked 
doughnuts your chevy cavalier wished it could do!  i had to get towed once 
out of a snowbank on the first day i took my car out of winter storage 
because i hit a patch of ice (and no, i do not drive carelessly like a bat 
out of hell) and downshifted.  the slight change in velocity made my car 
begin to fishtail and i did a 180 and went sideways into a snowdrift. kind of 
embarrasing, but the tow trucker thought it was the coolest thing anyway.  
also the first day of freezing rain i was driving the car and i switched 
lanes and started fishtailing - i lost control and went into the other lane, 
good thing there were no other car around.  i quickly regained control but 
went 30 under the speed limit the rest of the way home i was so freaked out.  
after those 2 times i have vowed to NEVER drive my car when there is ice, 
snow, or freezing ANYTHING on the ground or in the air.  i will never again 
risk my life or my investment like that ever again.  i even had brand new 
Yokos with less than 1000 miles on them.  the car just isn't good in bad 
weather. DO NOT rely on it for year-round driving if you are planning on 
selling whatever car you aleady have. put the D in storage and drive your 
tempo.

if you want this lifestyle, by all means - buy the car! and have fun with it!
but don't say i didn't warn you....

Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:40:22 -0000
From: delorean502_at_dml_excite.com
Subject: Re: engine swaps

You have to admint though, if someone had the money to throw around, 
the Delorean would make one mean looking drag racer.

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., srubano_at_dml_o... wrote:
> Sounds like a good Idea with the tubular chassis...I'm sure the 
guys 
> at Pierce (sp?) design would be able to handle a job like that 
since 
> they have built an exact duplicate of the existing chassis out of 
> SS. Should not be hard at all for them to do some mods to their 
> design process and keep everything aligned at the same time.
> 
> As for drag racing a Delorean? Wrong car to be doing that. For the 
> amount of money you would have to sink into the car to modify it 
you 
> can get a Pantera OR a Mustang OR an SS, etc.., mod it and still 
> have money left over to buy gas for it. Not to mention that 
> performance parts and replacement parts can be found in every mail 
> order magazine, corner autoparts store and dealer for those cars.
> 
> Just my 2 cents,
> 
> Steve
> 
> > --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., monkeydemond_at_dml_a... wrote:
> > > Hi, can a chevy 350 fit in a delo? the stock PRV engine doesn't 
> > have enought 
> > > power for me(i want to drag race). is it possible? and what 
> would 
> > it take?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Tom
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:02:00 +0200
From: "Cameron Putsch" <putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu>
Subject: New performance airbox pictures!

I have two large and very detailed pictures of my performance airbox on my site. Now you can see exactly what it is all about. Go to http://putschdesign.tripod.com/PPD/ 

Casey at putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu 


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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:00:28 EDT
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com
Subject: Yellowing/rust

Since I bought my DeLorean a year ago right around this time, I don't think I have noticed a whole lot of rust underneath on parts that couldn't be semi-easily replaced, but I have noticed some slight-to-heavy patches of yellowing and "dry, dirty" spots that bother me.  Is there anything I can do to clean this up, or am I looking at some kind of expensive frame job?  No matter what it is, what kind of place could I go to do help me out?  Is this only a job for a DeLorean restoration/repair service? (My car is a high mileage D and has seen a lot of use and work, but it was also in the Bay Area for a number of years and I don't know the extent of the damage the saltwater air has done.)

Thank you for any help,

Richard
Modesto, CA 



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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:00:34 -0000
From: jake_at_dml_ragingbull.com
Subject: towing a delorean


whats the opinion here, can i tow my baby, or is flatbed required?

jake





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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:20:04 -0400
From: "Palatinus, Joe" <jopalatinus_at_dml_davidson.edu>
Subject: RE: DAILY DRIVER DMC

I am a freshman in college and have my second delorean as my daily driver,
and it works out great, however,  I must say that I think my situation is a
little unique.  I have had my driving delorean for almost two years already.
I know damn near every bolt on that car, I have felt every wire and I am
secure in my knowledge of my car because I had the chance to drive it for a
year and a half when  i was still living with my parents and I was able to
tweak it to its current condition.   If you do not have a lot of mechanical
knowledge or have not had the delorean for at least a year prior to going to
college, I advise you WAIT.  Here is an example why.....
Last week I was driving my car here in NC and I heard the clunk in the back,
yes The Trailing arm bolt clunk, If you have driven a delorean for several
thousand miles you have probably had to deal with the trailing arm bolt
problem, I had to replace the right trailing arm bolt about a year ago, so
now the left one needed to be replaced.  This past weekend was fall break, I
drove the 250 miles home veery slowly knowing that I had a bad left trailing
arm bolt, I replaced it when i got home to TN and it sure enough was bent
really bad.  If I had not had the experience before I would not have known
to replace it and this could have been a very very dangerous thing.
I am fortunate that I got the car my junior year of high school and was able
to prepare it.
Good luck  Adam whatever you end up doing
Joe Palatinus
VIN 17167 Daily College driver
+ VIN 6808 




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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:30:06 -0000
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: towing a delorean

Jake - I've done both, and unless the truck operator is 
Very Careful, you are much better off with a flatbed.
If the car is towed from behind, you have to worry about the
louvers opening while the car is in motion and you have to 
worry about the front air dam dragging on the pavement.
If the car is towed from the front, there is risk that the
air dam will be damaged while working the tow mechanism 
under the front of the car.  Under no circumstances should
a sling EVER be used to tow a DeLorean from either end.

Mike

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., jake_at_dml_r... wrote:
> 
> whats the opinion here, can i tow my baby, or is flatbed required?
> 
> jake




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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:06:34 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: deloreans magazine...

By now, anyone who has purchased parts from DeLorean Motor Company in the
recent past (or attended any of the major DeLorean shows in August or
September) should have received a complimentary copy of our new quarterly
publication - deloreans magazine. If you haven't, and you would like to,
please send me a private email with your mailing address and I will see that
you get one...

Also, here are a little more than two weeks left to take advantage of the
introductory, charter subscription rate of $29 for one year ($34 Canada and
Mexico, $47 all others) - all subscriptions are sent by first class mail!
Subscriptions must be placed by October 31st to receive the discounted,
charter rates.

The secure server to accept subscriptions online is being configured now,
but you can always call us to subscribe - 800/872-3621. The forums are in
the final phases of testing, and should be online by the time the next issue
is mailed in November.

http://www.deloreans.com

Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas 

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com 




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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 20:13:25 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: towing a delorean

The safest way is to flatbed it. The operator MUST NOT try to pull it 
on by the lower control arms! If towed backwards either on the ground 
or flatbed the rear louver should be removed as it will catch the air 
and fly off taking out the "T" panel and maybe the rear window. If an 
automatic it cannot be towed with the rear wheels on the ground AT 
ALL. If towed on the ground it cannot be picked up too high because if 
taken over a bump the end will hit because of the low clearance so be 
careful going in and out of driveways or you will be fixing the front 
air dam. It is best to do as much preventitive maintance as you can to 
avoid towing. If going any distance a trailer or flatbed is the only 
way to go. 
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., jake_at_dml_r... wrote:
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> whats the opinion here, can i tow my baby, or is flatbed required?
> 
> jake




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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:41:18 -0400
From: "Willie Mack" <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>
Subject: College Deloreans



Just out of curiosity who on this list has a Delorean in college?  You can
email me privately if you don't want to clog up the listserve.

Willie Mack
wmack_at_dml_vt.edu
Virginia Tech
'81 Delorean




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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:47:11 -0400
From: "Palatinus, Joe" <jopalatinus_at_dml_davidson.edu>
Subject: RE: 2001 Euro Auto Festival

Everyone!
Just want to let you know that I will be going to this event with my daily
driving delorean Travis I will see you there! and hopefully we will meet
some new DML faces who on the spur of the moment decide to show up.  Is this
weekend everyone come on!
cya
Joe Palatinus
VIN 17167

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> It's coming! October 19-21. http://www.euroautofestival.com
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> Anyone preregistered and planning to attend the banquet on Friday? I'll be
> there (free food, are you kidding me!).
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> I'm hoping for a good showing for DeLoreans this year and not to embarass
> myself (my car is a work in progress!). 
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 20:51:26 EDT
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: removing mirror glass

Hi,
    The passenger side mirror on my car is cracked/shattered.  It was like 
that when I got the car.  How it happend I don't know but there are no dents 
on the door.  How can you remove the glass?  does it pop out or does it have 
to be heated and taken off?  please let me know.  I would feel better with 
that mirror working!

Thanks
David



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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 21:03:29 EDT
From: deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: towing a delorean

Jake,
       I always put my own car on a flatbed. I have a couple of reasons for 
that. The biggest of which is the fact that to tow the car without putting 
the drive wheels on the ground, you'd have to tow it backwards. This is NOT 
the way to tow a DeLorean as it has louvres that like to come open when towed 
backwards (this is something to remember when putting the car on a flatbed as 
well). Always tow front first! I have seen a car that had its louvres ripped 
off b/c someone shipped it on a flatbed rear first. It was not a pretty sight.

John Weaver
ETDOC
RED DMC #10527


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