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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 750
Date: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 3:41 AM

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There are 18 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Re: Rear Bumper Silver DeLorean Lettering
From: "S CAGLE" <sharkywtrs_at_dml_msn.com>

2. John DeLorean at the Fall Foliage Tour
From: ladeluca_at_dml_msn.com

3. Re: Haloween DeLorean
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

4. Re: Exhaust tips
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

5. Re: Rear Bumper Silver DeLorean Lettering
From: sharksigns_at_dml_yahoo.com

6. PHOTOS / NOTICE TO OWNERS
From: Grigor Maksudyan <delorean66_at_dml_yahoo.com>

7. Re: Rear Bumper Silver DeLorean Lettering
From: mark_at_dml_knudsonward.com

8. RE: deloreans magazine
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

9. RE: Part Throttle "bucking"...
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

10. Re: Re: Exhaust tips
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

11. Tony Acosta Prints
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

12. Re: deloreans magazine
From: "Emily" <delorean.girl_at_dml_verizon.net>

13. Exhaust tips...big finish!
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

14. Re: T-Panel and Passenger door rubbing
From: mark_at_dml_wizwarecomputers.com

15. RE: Deloreans magazine
From: "Nick Kemp" <nkemp_at_dml_pclink.com>

16. Delorean magazine Articles
From: "Nick Kemp" <nkemp_at_dml_pclink.com>

17. Re: clunk diagnostics
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

18. The new mag.
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>





Message: 1
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:10:30 -0400
From: "S CAGLE" <sharkywtrs_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Rear Bumper Silver DeLorean Lettering

Houston and PJ Grady both have them, as well as numerous versions of the doorsill letters


Scott


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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 03:23:53 -0000
From: ladeluca_at_dml_msn.com
Subject: John DeLorean at the Fall Foliage Tour

As many of the regular readers of the DML know, this upcoming 
weekend, Oct 27 & 28th is the second annual DeLorean Fall Foliage 
Tour. It starts this Saturday at PJ Gradys in West Sayville Long 
Island at 11 A.M. we will depart from PJ Gradys at 1:00PM 
http://www.pjgrady.com and caravan out to the Hamtons and Montauk 
with stops along the way. 

We will be staying at the East Hampton House and there are still 
rooms available last time I checked. We have a special rate of $75 if 
you mention the DeLorean Tour (ask for Joann if you have a problem). 
http://www.duneresorts.com/ehhouse.html

On Sunday we will take a short ferry ride (about 10 min) to Shelter 
Island and we will begin the
DeLorean Road Rally (even people without DeLoreans may participate).
We will then take the north Ferry (about 10 Min) to Green Port for a 
late lunch.

We will finish the trip with a winery tour and tasting.

Now about John DeLorean, he is invited just like you but 
unfortunately has not responded yet just like 
many of you. It not too late to make your planes for the tour, I 
would like to here from you if you think you may want to attend and 
you never know, John DeLorean may just decide to show up and you 
wouldn't want to miss that. 

Fell free to contact me if you need any information about the Tour
turbodmc_at_dml_hotmail.com    

Regards,

Michael DeLuca

My apologies for my shameless cheap trick to promote this event by 
using John DeLoreans name

  





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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:37:15 EDT
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Haloween DeLorean

I was humored by the following quote on Halloween DeLoreans in a previous 
e-mail.

. I have an idea but I don't know if it hurt 
your interior of you car; but anyway what if you got a fog machine or 
two or what ever number you want and put them in the car close to the 
doors like behind the seats and maybe roll down the windows about 
half way or something.

One fog machine would be total overkill and it wouldn,t matter how open the 
windows or doors would be you wouldn't see anything.  Two and we would never 
find  you. 

The fog machines uses whats called fog juice to give a better fog that lasts 
longer but it is very hot for about 18" from the exit.  A  one second blasts 
would fill the car with no visability and if you have asthma you're in 
trouble.  If you want one I'll lend you mine but you gotta promise to send me 
pictures of you running away from the car once it fills up.

Place the machine about 10 feet away from the car and aim it below the car. 
That would give an interesting effect.  A light breeze would help.

LOL Happy Halloween

Ken



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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 04:41:16 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: Exhaust tips

A couple of weeks ago, I picked up a pair of after market tips _at_dml_ 
Autozone for my car. The are a larger size than the stock pipes, and 
tips. But, they only affix with 2 screws on the underside. The top 
portion of the tips rest upon the pipes, and still give plenty of 
clearance between teh facia, and the exhaust. I'm quite pleased with 
the overall look, and have gotten a good amount of comments from 
people who've seen the before/after of things.

-Robert
vin 6585



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., deloreanernst_at_dml_a... wrote:
> In a message dated 10/20/01 12:06:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> jhuckins_at_dml_c... writes:
<SNIP>
> The rear fascia "notch" where the pipes come out the back is the 
same size 
> for either style pipe, yet there have been some reports of heat 
warped 
> fascias from improper upsized exhaust tips.
<SNIP>




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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 04:53:23 -0000
From: sharksigns_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Rear Bumper Silver DeLorean Lettering

Frank,

There is currently a set on ebay for auction.

Hope this helps.

Mark vin#2602

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., FEHRISMANN_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
> I have noticed on some cars they have silver lettering on their 
rear bumpers. 
>  Where do you get them.  I have looked at the suppliers on the 
list, but 
> don't see anyone that carries them.
> Frank
> Vin:  16509
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 22:04:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Grigor Maksudyan <delorean66_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: PHOTOS / NOTICE TO OWNERS


Hey everyone, I have temporarily uploaded my photo pages to Geocities. I had collected many many photos from various DeLorean sites. I uploaded my photo pages today and I ask you to check them and if there is any of your photos on my pages and you don't want them to be there, please e-mail me, along with the filenames, and I will remove them. I don't want to cause any trouble to anyone. Good luck.

http://www.geocities.com/delorean66/images.html

And if you don't mind me displaying your pics, I thank you.



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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 08:32:51 -0000
From: mark_at_dml_knudsonward.com
Subject: Re: Rear Bumper Silver DeLorean Lettering

To Frank and the List,

Check out 
www.delorean-steel-products.com/frmsetel.html

and click on "DMC letters"

to order stainless steel letters for your DeLorean.

Mark R. Vanyo
VIN #2261
New email adress
mvanyo'at'delorean.com

P.S.  And every DeLorean owner please join the DeLorean Owners 
Directory at the DMC News web site, dmcnews.com



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., FEHRISMANN_at_dml_a... wrote:
Hello Everyone,
I have noticed on some cars they have silver lettering on their rear 
bumpers. 
Where do you get them.  I have looked at the suppliers on the list, 
but don't see anyone that carries them.
Frank
Vin:  16509





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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:48:48 -0400
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: RE: deloreans magazine

I may be out of line here, but...

Before this thread, Someone suggested that I write a article for the new
DeLoreans magazine.  Because of that, I had already put some thought in
to this topic.

Below you suggest "we should all consider creating content for the
magazine".  Can you explain why you feel this way??  When James was
publishing the E-Zine as a service to the members of the DeLorean
community, I would have been eager to contribute articles if there was
an interest in anything I had to say (Who ever thought there would be!).
But now, "DeLoreans" magazine IS a commercial business.  I don't think
Stephen would have taken on this project if he did not see a potential
for financial gain from it.  (and I don't fault him for this, It is the
American way.)

I have not seen the first issue of DeLoreans magazine, so I can't
comment on it specifically.. BUT, I don't subscribe to any magazines
simply because I don't understand why I need to pay for a stack of
glossy paper that is usually 50% (or more) of advertisements!  The
publisher gets money from the advertisers and the subscribers, yet (in
some cases, I don't know about "DeLoreans") does not pay the
contributors.  And the publisher usually owns the copyright to the
article when it is all done!

The comments above also apply to your last 2 points.  (DML contribute to
mag, and put energy toward creating).   If I want to contribute (give)
something to the DeLorean community, I can do it here on the DML.


I am not a big (direct) customer of DMC Houston, but I would prefer to
see them publish a low-production quarterly newsletter.  The cost can be
offset by a income deduction for the "advertising" in the newsletter.
In addition, they could charge a small fee to other's who want to
advertise in the publication. If we add up all of the people that are
selling something (new upgrade part, NOS sitting in their garage, or a
car) there is plenty of opportunity to cover the publishing cost of a
LOW production (limit glossy photos and such) newsletter that will have
plenty of room for technical articles.


You also say below that the DML should be used to promote the various
publications....  While I believe the "no commercial posting" rule has
been removed since James started his employment at DMC Houston, I (and I
think others on the list) are not happy to see the list used as a
obvious tool for promotion.  Deloreans magazine is clearly a commercial
venture.

* clarification on the above statement:  I am VERY happy to see members
of the DML with commercial interests CONTRIBUTING to the list, and as a
"side effect" they get their name out there and improve their business.




-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Kemp [mailto:nkemp_at_dml_pclink.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 11:30 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] deloreans magazine

<SNIP>

I PROPOSE THAT:
- We should all consider creating content for the magazine
- That the DML is THE BEST resource available and that we should use it
to
promote the various publications
- That there is a lot to be contributed from the DML
- When we feel like being critical, put your energy towards creating
something for publication.




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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:52:31 -0400
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: RE: Part Throttle "bucking"...

Eric,

Why do you suspect a Fuel problem.  Have you done a regular "tune up"
lately?

Try a new set of plugs, wires, cap, rotor.. Maybe even go for a new
ignition coil.



-----Original Message-----
From: Eric [mailto:ericp_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 9:40 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Part Throttle "bucking"...


Hi Folks,
A few weeks back I posted a question based on my problem with my D 
having a "Deceleration Problem". Wow, thanks for all of your reply's 
especially that of DMCjoe.
<SNIP>





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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 07:32:19 +0000
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Exhaust tips

I totally agree, I looked at those several times but wanted to emulate  stock tips.
Those are great and easy to install.  (Maybe I'm just not a big tipper).

DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com wrote:

> A couple of weeks ago, I picked up a pair of after market tips _at_dml_
> Autozone for my car. The are a larger size than the stock pipes, and
> tips. But, they only affix with 2 screws on the underside. The top
> portion of the tips rest upon the pipes, and still give plenty of
> clearance between teh facia, and the exhaust. I'm quite pleased with
> the overall look, and have gotten a good amount of comments from
> people who've seen the before/after of things.
>
> -Robert
> vin 6585
>
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., deloreanernst_at_dml_a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 10/20/01 12:06:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > jhuckins_at_dml_c... writes:
> <SNIP>
> > The rear fascia "notch" where the pipes come out the back is the
> same size
> > for either style pipe, yet there have been some reports of heat
> warped
> > fascias from improper upsized exhaust tips.
> <SNIP>



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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 08:09:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Tony Acosta Prints

Moderators:  this is a blatant plug for a vendor from
a satisfied customer.  Please post.

Some time back, Tony Acosta posted an item about laser
prints he had made and offered for sale.  There are
four prints with one being a "personalized" print. 
After several back and forth emails, I ordered a set. 


My prints arrived on Saturday and they were
exceptionally nice.  I especially like the
personalized pic.  It is a rear view of a D with my
own license plate.  Then, surrounding the car are all
the "specs" for the D.  You can have it cusomized to
show automatic or 5 speed tranny and any other special
items pertinent to your car.  (I had Tony add my twin
IHI turbochargers and had the HP changed to reflect
that.)

Christmas is coming.  What a great gift one or all of
these prints would be.  They are being mounted and
framed today so they can be added to my "wall of
fame".  Drop a hint to the little lady that this is
what you want for Christmas.  And, I suspect you would
have to order early, because Tony does this as a side
project.

Tony's email is "txwing99_at_dml_hotmail.com".  

Dick Ryan
VIN 16867 

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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:25:22 -0000
From: "Emily" <delorean.girl_at_dml_verizon.net>
Subject: Re: deloreans magazine

Nick - 

I couldn't agree with you more!  I hope you and the other owners out 
there are informed of "DeLorean World".  It's been around for quite 
awhile.  It has classifieds, editors comments, stories, photos, 
etc.   I wish Houston the best of luck with their publication and 
hope that it does well.  The more info the merrier!

Sincerely,
Emily Sweeney
www.deloreanlovers.com




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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:01:11 -0700
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Exhaust tips...big finish!

Ta-da, got what I wanted.  Autozone has the perfect reducer for the JC
Whitney tips, number is 17509.  Fits inside the tip, large OD fits
perfectly inside the large part of the tip and smaller portion protrudes
through the end and fits perfectly over the existing pipe.  Reason for
using it is for support and centering, you have about an inch and a half
supporting the inside of the tip and about the same amount extending
over the tail pipe.  It looks great!  I am really pleased, I hated those
pathetic little stock pipes.  It is now bold and beautiful at the rear
bumper, accenting the overall appeal of the car.  (It's the little
things, isn't it!).  One "adjustment" no two anything seem to be the
same, the pipes on the car do not extend the same amount (yours probably
don't either), for the sake of uniformity I ground about a 1/4" notch on
the inboard side of the right tip where it reached the curve in the
pipe,  so that the two tips extend the same amount.  You don't have to
of course but why not?

As mentioned I used Whitney's SS  clamps because I was going to crank
down on the end where the cuts were made and didn't know how much
resistance to expect.   I positioned the clamps so that the nuts are up
out of view.  Now it's very true that a couple dabs of weld would take
the place of the clamps but I don't weld and wherever possible, no one
else touches my D.

Les





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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:31:42 -0000
From: mark_at_dml_wizwarecomputers.com
Subject: Re: T-Panel and Passenger door rubbing

I had the same problem. Take your t-panel off and replace the foam 
underneath it to raise it back up. Solved my problem entirely!

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> i've noticed a problem with my passenger side door.  when you open 
it, it 
> seems like the middle of the top edge of the door rubs against the 
T-panel 
> about halfway up, and the farther up it goes, it rubs further down 
the 
> T-panel towards the front of the car.  there is a smooth 
discoloration on my 
> passenger side door in the front corner of it.  also, i can watch 
the t-panel 
> from the front of the car and i can see it slightly flexing or 
getting pushed 
> to the driver's side.  
> 
> my passenger door closes pretty well, but it's not perfect.  the 
front latch 
> catches slightly before the rear latch does, and the main latch 
then latches 
> at the same time for both sides.  so, it seems to be set a little 
bit wrong.  
> the front closes slightly before the rear.
> 
> is this a door problem or a T-Panel problem?  i am just wondering 
because i 
> probably won't get this fixed until next spring unless it does not 
involve 
> any torsion bar adjustments (in that case i may do it while the car 
is in 
> storage).  what must be done?
> 
> Soma576_at_dml_a...
> 1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
> Fargo, ND 58102
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:45:24 -0500
From: "Nick Kemp" <nkemp_at_dml_pclink.com>
Subject: RE: Deloreans magazine

Hmmm ... what to say in reply to Marc Levy's comments...

- I did not intend that articles be written just for DMC's magazine.  I
think DMC's magazine, DOA's magazine and the E-Zine, if it ever comes back,
would all benefit from articles written by the many experts that subscribe
to the DML.  There is a lot of knowledge and interesting folks out there and
their contributions could be worth while.

- I believe that we all benefit from the DML and any Delorean related
magazines.  The benefit is directly related to the content and quality of
the articles.  For years I subscribed to the DOA magazine and they had some
good content.  I quit when the content moved away from things I found
interesting and moved towards social gatherings.  But in their defense I
realized how difficult it is to write new engaging articles year after year.

- Everyone needs to maker their own decision about writing articles and
compensation (or lack of).  Personally I hope all the Delorean vendors are
very successful.  Competition is good and we need them.  The two "for-fee"
magazines might want to consider giving free subscriptions for articles.  It
might spur some really great content.

- When I suggested that the DML promote the various publications I meant
that we contribute our individual time and talent to help with articles, not
that it gets advertised on the DML.  And note that there are a lot of
publications, other than the three mentioned here, that articles could be
submitted.

- My post was mainly responding to some criticism of the new magazine and
was suggesting that instead of THEY making it better that WE can help make
it better.

I hope this clears things a little.  If not, it may generate some new life
for the DML. Even the DML's topics get a little stale after a while and it
needs some new content.  Now I'm going to create a second message that posts
some ideas for articles and attempts to generate more from the readers.

Nick Kemp





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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:45:26 -0500
From: "Nick Kemp" <nkemp_at_dml_pclink.com>
Subject: Delorean magazine Articles

What would people like to see in magazine articles. I'll take the first step
and start a list:

- Articles about the DOA's (or was it D1's) RC cars they once sold
- creation of the Sun Star model
- Frame restoration
- Accident related
- How the limited edition models were made
- Wheel restoration
- Converting the BTTF models
- Cave art found in Deloreans
- Care and feeding articles
- Any of the upgrades
- Engine conversion
- Dyno results
- Body panel repair
- Proper painting of a D
- Fascia painting
- Upgrades and improvements
- Concours discussion
- Performance improvements
- Suspension improvements
- Turbo, twin or single, installation and performance
- Steering rack service and repair
- Trailing arm bolt installation or improvements
- Eyebrow fixes
- Installation of third tail-lights
- Electric window repair
- The Zilla products
- Gas tank fixes
- Cooling system fixes
- Creating LED light replacements
- Improving "breathing" on the D
- Improving exhaust
- Installing bigger exhaust tips
- Tinting windows
- Installation and operation of GPS systems

Well there is the start of a list and I'm sure there are many more
interesting articles.  Some may actually be related to the vendors or their
products.

I also think it could be good if articles were written about the D and
submitted to non-D magazines.
- History of the D since the mid 80's
- The DML
- Side by side comparison of a D and its contemporaries as they stand today
- Ken's conventions







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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:07:18 -0500
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: clunk diagnostics

I posted my findings here:
http://www.mindspring.com/~kecreason/delorean/

Please send me some comments and suggestions.

Problem 95% cured... still some clunking to work out.

----- Original Message -----
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
To: "Dmc /dml" <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 11:36 PM
Subject: [DML] clunk diagnostics


> I trying to determine the source of my clunk.
> On the trailing arms, which bolt are more likely to loosen-- front end of
> the arm or rear?
> I read that they need to be torqued with weight on the wheels, but it
> doesn't look easy to do that. Is that a true statement?
>
> when I slide underneath I can simulate a lighter clunk by sliding the axle
> on either side. That combined with the fact that the clunk alternates with
> different corners and does not repeat with like corners makes me think
that
> I've still got the "rear axle clunk syndrome."



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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:01:18 +0000
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: The new mag.

Lots of excitement, lots of posts, righteous indignation, varied
opinions, great forum

As to making a buck on an endeavor, yes, business is like that.  Stephen
has a ton invested in inventory, much of which will stay on the shelf
while the popular items disappear completely.  Much applause for taking
the initiative and spending the money to reproduce door handles and the
like.  Filling in the blanks so to speak.  He really doesn't have to
start a magazine in order for all of us to find out what's he's working
on, it's outed almost immediately on the list.  Starting a new magazine
is very gutsy, a large startup outlay of  time and money with no
guarantee of success.  The World has been there a long time, very
difficult to pit a newcomer against an established entity, no matter how
great it's potential.  People tend to do what they are comfortable with,
resist change, the course of least resistance is to leave things as they
are.  I think a great plus in this equation is James Espey, however, if
he should get run over by a wayward Bricklin, there goes the ball game!






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