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Date: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:05 PM

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Topics in this digest:

1. RE: The new mag.
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_hscis.net>

2. Engine Troubles.
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

3. Re: Deloreans magazine
From: Henry Breer <hbreer_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>

4. Oil Filter Crosses
From: "Eric" <ericp_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>

5. $62,500?
From: "Scott Tester" <scott_at_dml_tester.com>

6. [ETDOC] November 3-4 meet in Gatlinburg, TN
From: Aaron Posey <cadysrme_at_dml_yahoo.com>

7. Re: Deloreans magazine
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

8. Re: Engine Troubles.
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

9. Re: Re: Rear Bumper Silver DeLorean Lettering
From: wilhelm starberg <wilm_at_dml_c2i.net>

10. Re: Engine Troubles.
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

11. Re: Miniature Lamps vs Led's Added Reflectors
From: johnb_at_dml_ccssinc.com

12. Lightning
From: nick_at_dml_imagenow.ie

13. DeLorean Fall Foliage Tour Fall
From: turbodmc_at_dml_hotmail.com

14. More about the DeLorean Fall Foliage Tour
From: turbodmc_at_dml_hotmail.com

15. On Buying a DeLorean...a Primer!
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

16. Re: $62,500?
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

17. Re: On Buying a DeLorean...a Primer!
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

18. Re: Re: Miniature Lamps vs Led's Added Reflectors
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

19. Re: Re: Miniature Lamps vs Led's Added Reflectors
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

20. DeLorean LED conversion website
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com

21. Re: Miniature Lamps vs Led's Added Reflectors
From: johnb_at_dml_ccssinc.com

22. Re: Miniature Lamps vs Led's Added Reflectors
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

23. Re: $62,500?
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

24. Sudden shifting trouble
From: "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com>

25. Re: $62,500?
From: "Rodger I. Vannatter" <rivwindance_at_dml_earthlink.net>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:27:28 -0700
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_hscis.net>
Subject: RE: The new mag.

Quite a few of us still have a "bad taste" in our mouth from subscribing to
a new DeLorean magazine a while back.  We "dropped" $60 as I recall.  Got
two pretty name tags, the first issue, and that was the end of it.  After
much probing the excuse was that one of the biggys went after them from a
legal standpoint and they spent all of our money fighting it in court and
gave up.....I dunno how many thousand dollars.

In spite of this, I have TRIED to subscribe to the new mag.   Using the web
site I filled out my form properly and punched "subscribe" and all it does,
(three tries) is go to the "this page is not available" routine.  I sent
James a personal note a few days ago concerning this and so far have not had
a response.  So much for high speed computerized personal subscribing!!

Murray
Vin: 05962
Lic:  DMC-XII





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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:27:09 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Engine Troubles.

Ok, I just got my new Control Pressure Regulator installed. 
Accelleration has improved. But it still as good as it's supposed to 
be. The car still jerks a little durring accelleration. This will now 
appear durring both light and hard accelleration. Low speed crusing 
(10-20mph) has greatly improved. No more hard bucks or jerks. But 
when I hit a hill, the engine sputters a bit.

Since the installation of the new CPR, my car is back to almost dying 
when dropping RPMs rapidly. The best way to describe the performance 
now would be 'groggy'. She's trying to wake up, but isn't quite up to 
par yet. When I started the engine with the new CPR, it did cough a 
bit.

Now, here's the kicker. I recently picked up a used Ignition ECU off 
eBay. I swapped ECU's, and while it may just be my imagination, the 
accelleration did improve a bit more. What I did notice for sure was 
that the engine stopped "gagging" when the RPMs rapidly dropped, and 
the battery light stopped flashing.

Now, the only parts of my ignition system that have not yet been 
replaced are the Ignition Coil, Ballast Resistors, and the coil 
inside of the distributor. My LAMBDA probe is also original. The 
clock just hit 30K a while back, and the lamp is on. Even so, my 
mixture has been so out of whack that I'm sure even a new probe would 
have been wasted. So that too will be replaced next paycheck.

What is old though are my vaccum lines. The rubber is hard, and 
just 'snaps' onto the connectors. My my mode switch 'hisses'. So I'm 
a bit concerned about vaccum leaks. Another thing is when I slam the 
gas pedal, the accelleration is ok. But if I push it down all the way 
to trip the microswitch, the acelleration becomes instant. So this is 
another thing that I'm curious about. All signs seem to point to a 
vaccum leak somewhere.

If someone has some quick pointers on how to inspect/replace the 
lines, let me know. Will I be able to reach the water valve with my 
hands? I can change the distributor cap w/o removing anything, but I 
not sure If I can reach these lines. If it helps, I have a manual 
transmission.

Thanks!

-Robert
vin 6585




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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:17:23 -0700
From: Henry Breer <hbreer_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Deloreans magazine

From the Masthead Page of DeLorean World:

Quote
Members are awarded a year's membership in the Association for a general subject
feature-length article and $100 for a "DeLorean Getaways" feature-length article that is
published in DeLorean World.
Close Quote

Hank Breer
vin 1141

Nick Kemp wrote:

> <snip>
> - Everyone needs to maker their own decision about writing articles and
> compensation (or lack of).  Personally I hope all the Delorean vendors are
> very successful.  Competition is good and we need them.  The two "for-fee"
> magazines might want to consider giving free subscriptions for articles.  It
> might spur some really great content.
> <snip>




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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:07:04 -0000
From: "Eric" <ericp_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Oil Filter Crosses

Hi Folks,

I thought I'd share this with anyone who may be interested.
I found an off-the-shelf oil filter cross for the DeLorean that fits 
and works perfectly.

Moreover, this is the tall slim filter that should be installed - not 
the short fat cross for the Volvo (which butts up against the oil 
sender).

From AutoZone - Bosch 3421   

I crossed this from an AutoPro part #2342 (which also works, and is 
of the tall slim type.

I've had both on my car and both work perfectly. 

Good Luck.
Eric
vin# 5557

Dunedin, FL





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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 05:14:06 -0700
From: "Scott Tester" <scott_at_dml_tester.com>
Subject: $62,500?

Someone please enlighten me as to why DeLorean One's reconditioned cars are sold for $62,500. I'm assuming that these cars are not pre-production prototypes or gold plated.

My observation is that they are trying to influence the open market by overpricing thier cars. Or maybe they are just waiting for affluent people that haven't done the research and think that $62,500 is a reasonable price.

The page I'm referring to can be seen at: http://www.deloreanone.com/refurbished.html

Scott Tester     scott(at)tester(dot)com




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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 06:34:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Aaron Posey <cadysrme_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: [ETDOC] November 3-4 meet in Gatlinburg, TN

Hello list-

It is coming very close to the meet in the Smokies!

I have had many show interest in attending- from Virginia
to Louisiana!

I have posted the venues and attractions to the website,
www.etdoc.com  .  The Park Vista Resort# is 800-421-7275..I
have been informed that the hotel is almost sold out for
the night of the 3rd. Please hurry and make your
reservations!  Ask for the group rate for the East
Tennessee DeLorean Owners Club.  By chance if the hotel
does sell out I will arrange for rooms at another hotel.

If you would like to talk on the phone about the
itenerary..give me a call 865-310-2228- or email me your #
and I will return your call.

Thanks for your time-

Aaron Posey
ETDOC
cadysrme_at_dml_yahoo.com




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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:18:26 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Deloreans magazine


People,

     The price of used DeLorean cars are reasonable. Unfortunately, fixing 
them up & enjoying them is very expensive. To give an analogy, compare the 
car to an evening at the movies. The admission price is reasonable, however 
the confections and refreshments are expensive compared to what you are 
probably familiar with.
    Here on the DML, we read the weekly trials and frustrations (and joy) of 
owning a DeLorean. The frustration of repairing a DeLorean is a 
paradox...sometimes wonderful, and at certain times beyond challenging.
    
    DeLorean World, or any DeLorean related magazine is not, "EuroTuner, Car 
Craft, Hot Rod, Muscle Car Craft, Mustang Vs Camero update, etc., etc., 
etc....

    I don't believe that you are going to find articles in ANY DeLorean 
magazines in the future that describe in full detail how to restore a frame, 
grind cams, port & polish heads, or how to turn your $5,000 project DeLorean 
into a Concourse competitor or brute force muscle car.

    The DeLorean service centers make a substantial living repairing 
DeLoreans, and for them to write feature length articles on trade secrets is 
advantageous to their DeLorean business.
    
    The purpose of DeLorean World is very similar to "Acura Driver Magazine," 
"Quest Magazine from Rolls Royce" etc. The car is not the sole purpose of the 
owners obsession, avocation or lifestyle. Their car is significant, 
important, and very much a contributing factor to their enjoyment of 
life...they have a life beyond owning a car.

    If you want to go very fast in a DeLorean find a long stretch of road, or 
rent a race track for you and your friends, or shut your eyes and imagine you 
are Marty McFly. 
    If you want to build a race car, keep a journal of your efforts or start 
enjoying life and buy something else that suits 100% of your needs.


Mike



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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:32:06 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: Engine Troubles.

Vacuum leaks are bad. They can cause loss of power, affect idle and 
ride quality, allow air to get into the engine unfiltered causing 
increased wear, cause vacuum operated devices to not work and so on. 
There is no short cut to fixing them. The only sure way, if the hoses 
are hard and brittle, is to replace them one by one. I have seen 
splits and cracks that would not be found any other way than to remove 
the hose and inspect it inch by inch bending it as you go. If your 
mode switch is hissing then you know what you have to do. As for the 
acceleration problem, I have cured them sometimes by replacing a bad 
ignition coil. It can be that you have a high voltage breakdown of the 
secondary ignition system under high loads. The things to look for are 
bad or misgapped plugs, bad wires and boots, carbon-tracked cap or 
rotor, and possibly a bad coil. Ignition coils rarely fail but it does 
happen especially after 20+ years. Depending on how many miles and if 
it backfires under heavy acceleration you could also need a valve 
adjustment. The "new" ecu may be forcing the coil to run a little 
hotter but if it is bad it still breaks down. Substitute another coil 
temporaraly and see if it fixes it. 
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., DMCVegas_at_dml_l... wrote:
> Ok, I just got my new Control Pressure Regulator installed. 
> Accelleration has improved. But it still as good as it's supposed to 
> be. The car still jerks a little durring accelleration. This will 
now 
> appear durring both light and hard accelleration. Low speed crusing 
> (10-20mph) has greatly improved. No more hard bucks or jerks. But 
> when I hit a hill, the engine sputters a bit.
> 
> Since the installation of the new CPR, my car is back to almost 
dying 
> when dropping RPMs rapidly. The best way to describe the performance 
> now would be 'groggy'. She's trying to wake up, but isn't quite up 
to 
> par yet. When I started the engine with the new CPR, it did cough a 
> bit.
> 
> Now, here's the kicker. I recently picked up a used Ignition ECU off 
> eBay. I swapped ECU's, and while it may just be my imagination, the 
> accelleration did improve a bit more. What I did notice for sure was 
> that the engine stopped "gagging" when the RPMs rapidly dropped, and 
> the battery light stopped flashing.
> 
> Now, the only parts of my ignition system that have not yet been 
> replaced are the Ignition Coil, Ballast Resistors, and the coil 
> inside of the distributor. My LAMBDA probe is also original. The 
> clock just hit 30K a while back, and the lamp is on. Even so, my 
> mixture has been so out of whack that I'm sure even a new probe 
would 
> have been wasted. So that too will be replaced next paycheck.
> 
> What is old though are my vaccum lines. The rubber is hard, and 
> just 'snaps' onto the connectors. My my mode switch 'hisses'. So I'm 
> a bit concerned about vaccum leaks. Another thing is when I slam the 
> gas pedal, the accelleration is ok. But if I push it down all the 
way 
> to trip the microswitch, the acelleration becomes instant. So this 
is 
> another thing that I'm curious about. All signs seem to point to a 
> vaccum leak somewhere.
> 
> If someone has some quick pointers on how to inspect/replace the 
> lines, let me know. Will I be able to reach the water valve with my 
> hands? I can change the distributor cap w/o removing anything, but I 
> not sure If I can reach these lines. If it helps, I have a manual 
> transmission.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -Robert
> vin 6585




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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:52:07 +0200
From: wilhelm starberg <wilm_at_dml_c2i.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Rear Bumper Silver DeLorean Lettering

22.10.01 03:46:52, FEHRISMANN_at_dml_aol.com wrote:
>
>I have noticed on some cars they have silver lettering on their rear bumpers. 
> Where do you get them.  I have looked at the suppliers on the list, but 
>don't see anyone that carries them.

You can get them at DeLorean Steel Products:

http://www.delorean-steel-products.com/

Regards,
Wilhelm Starberg
Norway #10816





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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:33:23 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Engine Troubles.

In a message dated 10/23/01 6:14:26 AM Central Daylight Time, 
DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com writes:


> If someone has some quick pointers on how to inspect/replace the 
> lines, let me know. Will I be able to reach the water valve with my 
> hands? I can change the distributor cap w/o removing anything, but I 
> not sure If I can reach these lines. If it helps, I have a manual 
> transmission.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -Robert
> 

Robert,

if you have small hands like myself, you should be able to replace every 
vacuum hose in there for pretty cheap.  you don't necessarily have to buy it 
from a vendor - vacuum hose is vacuum hose!! bring an example of each size of 
hose used in the car and have your favorite shop give you a few feet of it.  
then just cut it as you need it!  it should NOT be so brittle that it just 
'snaps' into place - that tells me right away that you have leaks all over 
because if you don't 'snap' it in just like it was before you took it out, 
you just made a new leak because the hose doesn't mold around the nipples 
anymore.  also it is probably cracked in some of the hose bends and stuff.    
as for the vacuum hoses running to the mode switch, i don't know how those 
run because i have never investigated them.  but be prepared to take apart 
your whole console.  Rob Grady told me that a hissing AC mode switch WILL 
affect engine operation!!!

and with the thermal control /water valve, just look at your vacuum diagram 
and grab one of the hoses that goes down there from a different component and 
follow it down until you feel the three-nippled valve.  it's way in there - 
but i can grab it.  i might even be able to replace it if i had to without 
removing any engine components!!!

Andy

And

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:09:44 -0000
From: johnb_at_dml_ccssinc.com
Subject: Re: Miniature Lamps vs Led's Added Reflectors

John Hervey wrote:

> We also don't have rear chrome reflectors.
I have been running 3.5" CD's as center tail light reflectors for 
about a year now with no problems. Uploaded two photos to the photo 
section.

John




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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:19:17 -0000
From: nick_at_dml_imagenow.ie
Subject: Lightning

That sounds alarmist!

Just thought I would upload a photo I took back 1997 of my car 
outside my house in Dublin, Ireland, during a thunderstorm. The film 
was in the camera for about 2 years before I finished off the roll of 
transparencies on a job. When I developed the roll, there was this 
shot, which I completely forgot I took (It was about 4 am and I was 
woken by the storm!). I wonder what got hit. Suppose it shows all 
that stainless isn't that good a conductor!
The file is in the Files section - called 'Lightning_small.jpg'

Regards

Nick






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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:06:08 -0000
From: turbodmc_at_dml_hotmail.com
Subject: DeLorean Fall Foliage Tour Fall

The DeLorean Fall Foliage Tour Fall Is this weekend! The rooms are 
going fast but there are still about 10  available as I post this  
msg. This should be the largest DeLorean event in the Northeast this 
fall, Saturday & Sunday October 27th and 28th.

On Saturday the event starts at PJ Gradys in West Sayville N.Y.
631)589-6224  http://www.pjgrady.com at 11 A.M.  This is guaranteed
to be nteresting to all DeLorean Enthusiasts.


We will depart from PJ Gradys at 1:00 pm and Caravan out to the East 
End of Long Island. This will include a driving tour with stops along 
the way in the Hamptons and finish at the end of Long Island at the 
Montauk Light house and vicinity. We will have dinner in Montauk and 
Caravan back to the Hotel in East Hampton for a late check in at East 
Hampton House. We have a special hotel rate of $75 + tax but you must 
tell them you are part of the DeLorean Fall Tour(631) 324-4300
Fax 631 329-3743 On the web http://www.duneresorts.com/ehhouse.html 
                    
Sunday the tour continues and we will take a short ferry ride to 
Shelter Island. I have set up a road rally on Shelter Island that 
will not only be fun but will also give us the opportunity to explore 
the whole island.  We will depart on a different ferry to the North 
Fork of Long Island. The cost of each ferry is approximately $10
each.We will have a late lunch in Green Port and spend some time 
exploring the town. We will conclude with a winery tour 


This trip will take you through the Long Island you have heard about 
but never seen.I should have the registration forms available later 
this week.

If you think you may want to attend or need more information please 
e-mail me privately at turbodmc_at_dml_hotmail.com or call me at (631) 
680-4927 Knowing approximately how many people are interested will 
make this a better event, please let me know if you are interested in 
participating. If people from New England need ferry information to 
get to Long Island I can provide that to you. 

Regards,

Michael DeLuca








                 





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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:24:11 -0000
From: turbodmc_at_dml_hotmail.com
Subject: More about the DeLorean Fall Foliage Tour



Anyone attending the Tour that has FM two way radios should bring 
them.They are great for not only keeping people together but they add 
to the fun.

We will be on the DMC 12 channel (that's just channel 12 but I had to 
make it DeLorean related).

If you have more then one radio please bring it along.

Regards,

Michael DeLuca





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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:46:17 -0700
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: On Buying a DeLorean...a Primer!

First, read a copy of Stainless Steel Illusion, that will give you the
background you need to make a proper selection.  I've purchased 2 Ds in
the last 10 months, I did my homework, here's what I came up with:

After reading the book you'll note there were a lot of changed made
month by month, there's a certain VIN segment that is more attractive
than the rest.  Best suggestion is get the latest one you can find,
preferably an '82 or better, or if you find an '81 you like, it would be
best if the VIN is 5000 or better.  This is important.

The consensus is you should not buy a fixer-upper, it'll kill you in
time and money.  Best reasoning is something that has been driven with
some regularity but not a high mileage unit, around 30,000 miles is
about right.  What you really want is a nice car that someone else has
spent the fixup money on, you'll see advertised a car with $15,000 in
fixup costs and the car is for sale for $18,000.  That would merit a
look.

With that, my first purchase was an '82 with 35,000 miles on it,
previous owner had paid $17,000 for it and spent several thousand on
fixups during the 5 years of ownership.  New upholstery, new battery,
new brakes, new steering wheel, new metal radiator and overflow bottle,
new steering bushing, new door pulls, new shift boot, painted the dash
and facias, no dents, no eyebrow (drooping over the headlights), new
tires (Yokohamas), no dents, looked good and ran very well.  Asking
price $18,000, I bought it for $17,000.  I've put another 3500 miles on
it with no problems except the otterstat fell off because the metal clip
was discarded in favor of a sealant.  The really terrible thing is the
"mechanics" who get to a car before you do and throw things away that
you have trouble finding and who also change factory settings such as
wiring and vacuum hoses.  Anyway, nice car, no regrets.

Fast forward: about September of this year there was an ad on eBay for
an '83 with 8,245 miles on it,  like new, no known problems, asking
$16,500 with no bids and was in CA.  I negotiate the price down to
$15,000, now here's the part to pay attention to.  The VIN number is
listed on eBay ads, with that I went into the owners list on the DML and
found that although the current owner (from NJ) wasn't listed, the
previous owner in NY was.  Called him and found the car had been
purchased from PJ Grady and that they had owned it about 2 years,  the
NJ owner had had it about 9 months.  I called Rob.  Rob remembered it
well and said it was a really nice car, he had gone all through it and
given it a 1 year warranty.  I .  Armed with that info I took a check
and went to see it.  Awesome, very much like new, the tires, the
upholstering, everything.  Brought it home and have added about 500 very
happy miles, only thing I've done to it is change the exhaust tips, as
recently mentioned, it had the tiny pipes without tips.  Has Lockzilla
and Fanzilla the braided clutch line, all kinds of upgrades, a dream
car.

What I'm saying is that first of all it's very much a buyer's market,
there are a lot of cars around, do your homework first, get a nice one
you can enjoy,  and at a reasonable price.  Don't get dazzled by the
first one you see and/or by a cheap price, take a little extra time to
get it right rather than spending a lot of time regretting a hasty
choice.

Addendum: I only do 5-speeds, the consensus is the automatics tend to be
a little slower off the line  and do have some exotic things go wrong
with the electronic shifting etc. but that's personal choice, it may be
worth the extra pain to have an automatic.

There's a nice one out there waiting for you to discover it but first DO
YOUR HOMEWORK!





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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:32:29 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: $62,500?

In a message dated 10/23/2001 5:24:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
scott_at_dml_tester.com writes:

<< Someone please enlighten me as to why DeLorean One's reconditioned cars 
are sold for $62,500. I'm assuming that these cars are not pre-production 
prototypes or gold plated.
 
 My observation is that they are trying to influence the open market by 
overpricing thier cars. Or maybe they are just waiting for affluent people 
that haven't done the research and think that $62,500 is a reasonable price.
 
 The page I'm referring to can be seen at: 
http://www.deloreanone.com/refurbished.html
 
 Scott Tester     scott(at)tester(dot)com >>


    There is a HUGE difference between a restoration Vs repair. Restorations 
are divided into different categories...with general repair at the very 
bottom. 
    Cased on the information provided to me, there are some companies that do 
really awesome restorations and D1 is one of them.

Mike



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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:48:14 -0500
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: On Buying a DeLorean...a Primer!

Nicely written, Les.
But there is absolutely nothing wrong with the 81's!!!!!
I own an 81, #4687, and I love it. It's an October, which I believe was the
biggest production month, and are fantastic vehicles.
Personally, I would rather have an 81, simply for the added asthetics of
hood lines than a flat hood.
Now earlier 81's might have some problems... such as the windshield antenna
or filled in front-fender antenna hole, etc. But it's all minor, and it's
all part of each vehicle's unique personality.

The biggest point you made, and can't be stressed enough, is updates and
care given. Mine had about $5k done in updates and restoration done a few
years before I bought it, so I was getting a fantastic deal for twelve and a
half.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Les Huckins" <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 4:46 PM
Subject: [DML] On Buying a DeLorean...a Primer!


> First, read a copy of Stainless Steel Illusion, that will give you the
> background you need to make a proper selection.  I've purchased 2 Ds in
> the last 10 months, I did my homework, here's what I came up with:
>
> After reading the book you'll note there were a lot of changed made
> month by month, there's a certain VIN segment that is more attractive
> than the rest.  Best suggestion is get the latest one you can find,
> preferably an '82 or better, or if you find an '81 you like, it would be
> best if the VIN is 5000 or better.  This is important.
>
> The consensus is you should not buy a fixer-upper, it'll kill you in
> time and money.  Best reasoning is something that has been driven with
> some regularity but not a high mileage unit, around 30,000 miles is
> about right.  What you really want is a nice car that someone else has
> spent the fixup money on, you'll see advertised a car with $15,000 in
> fixup costs and the car is for sale for $18,000.  That would merit a
> look.
>
> With that, my first purchase was an '82 with 35,000 miles on it,
> previous owner had paid $17,000 for it and spent several thousand on
> fixups during the 5 years of ownership.  New upholstery, new battery,
> new brakes, new steering wheel, new metal radiator and overflow bottle,
> new steering bushing, new door pulls, new shift boot, painted the dash
> and facias, no dents, no eyebrow (drooping over the headlights), new
> tires (Yokohamas), no dents, looked good and ran very well.  Asking
> price $18,000, I bought it for $17,000.  I've put another 3500 miles on
> it with no problems except the otterstat fell off because the metal clip
> was discarded in favor of a sealant.  The really terrible thing is the
> "mechanics" who get to a car before you do and throw things away that
> you have trouble finding and who also change factory settings such as
> wiring and vacuum hoses.  Anyway, nice car, no regrets.
>
> Fast forward: about September of this year there was an ad on eBay for
> an '83 with 8,245 miles on it,  like new, no known problems, asking
> $16,500 with no bids and was in CA.  I negotiate the price down to
> $15,000, now here's the part to pay attention to.  The VIN number is
> listed on eBay ads, with that I went into the owners list on the DML and
> found that although the current owner (from NJ) wasn't listed, the
> previous owner in NY was.  Called him and found the car had been
> purchased from PJ Grady and that they had owned it about 2 years,  the
> NJ owner had had it about 9 months.  I called Rob.  Rob remembered it
> well and said it was a really nice car, he had gone all through it and
> given it a 1 year warranty.  I .  Armed with that info I took a check
> and went to see it.  Awesome, very much like new, the tires, the
> upholstering, everything.  Brought it home and have added about 500 very
> happy miles, only thing I've done to it is change the exhaust tips, as
> recently mentioned, it had the tiny pipes without tips.  Has Lockzilla
> and Fanzilla the braided clutch line, all kinds of upgrades, a dream
> car.
>
> What I'm saying is that first of all it's very much a buyer's market,
> there are a lot of cars around, do your homework first, get a nice one
> you can enjoy,  and at a reasonable price.  Don't get dazzled by the
> first one you see and/or by a cheap price, take a little extra time to
> get it right rather than spending a lot of time regretting a hasty
> choice.
>
> Addendum: I only do 5-speeds, the consensus is the automatics tend to be
> a little slower off the line  and do have some exotic things go wrong
> with the electronic shifting etc. but that's personal choice, it may be
> worth the extra pain to have an automatic.
>
> There's a nice one out there waiting for you to discover it but first DO
> YOUR HOMEWORK!
>
>
>
>
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:54:21 -0500
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Miniature Lamps vs Led's Added Reflectors

Are they 3.5" cdR or silver media? I know I can get 3.5" cdr at computer
store, but not sure if they'll reflect that well.
Not sure where I can get silver media... some salesman somewhere has a bunch
of those business card CDs, but I'd have to listen to multiple salespitches
to get them. Yikes.

----- Original Message -----
From: <johnb_at_dml_ccssinc.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 11:09 AM
Subject: [DML] Re: Miniature Lamps vs Led's Added Reflectors


> John Hervey wrote:
>
> > We also don't have rear chrome reflectors.
> I have been running 3.5" CD's as center tail light reflectors for
> about a year now with no problems. Uploaded two photos to the photo
> section.
>
> John
>
>
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:12:37 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Miniature Lamps vs Led's Added Reflectors

Get some Stainless Steel tape from Whitneys. It provide the best reflection and just
stick on.

K Creason wrote:

> Are they 3.5" cdR or silver media? I know I can get 3.5" cdr at computer
> store, but not sure if they'll reflect that well.
> Not sure where I can get silver media... some salesman somewhere has a bunch
> of those business card CDs, but I'd have to listen to multiple salespitches
> to get them. Yikes.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <johnb_at_dml_ccssinc.com>
> To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 11:09 AM
> Subject: [DML] Re: Miniature Lamps vs Led's Added Reflectors
>
> > John Hervey wrote:
> >
> > > We also don't have rear chrome reflectors.
> > I have been running 3.5" CD's as center tail light reflectors for
> > about a year now with no problems. Uploaded two photos to the photo
> > section.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:23:14 EDT
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: DeLorean LED conversion website

Hi List,
    I have had this website book marked for a LONG time and I havent heard it 
mentioned yet.  It is a well documented web site on how to make the lights on 
the DeLorean LED's.  I will probably be doing this to my side mark lights 
soon. EVERYONE SHOULD CHECK IT OUT.  The LED's on the D look nice.

http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ProjectPl/mikedagoon/Ledlights.html


David Phelps
6286




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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:12:52 -0000
From: johnb_at_dml_ccssinc.com
Subject: Re: Miniature Lamps vs Led's Added Reflectors

They are 80mm CDR's Sliver Diamond with two notches add to the center 
hole allowing the bulbs to fit thought. Depending on the placement of 
the CD Bottom Out or Top Out you will get two different reflections. 
One bottom out gives you a rainbow reflection or top out no rainbow 
reflection. But the real reason that they happen to be there is they 
are recorded with the DMC manual, my vin # and other information 
about the D. Yes I change them out once a year adding show photos and 
maintenance work etc. Hey there is no room for a 6" manual and photos 
any were else. Yes you need a screwdriver to get to them but I make 3 
and keep one in the D. And I do not know how much of an increase of 
light is reflected through the lens. 

John

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> Are they 3.5" cdR or silver media? I know I can get 3.5" cdr at 
computer
> store, but not sure if they'll reflect that well.
> Not sure where I can get silver media... some salesman somewhere 
has a bunch
> of those business card CDs, but I'd have to listen to multiple 
salespitches
> to get them. Yikes.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <johnb_at_dml_c...>
> To: <dmcnews_at_dml_y...>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 11:09 AM
> Subject: [DML] Re: Miniature Lamps vs Led's Added Reflectors
> 
> 
> > John Hervey wrote:
> >
> > > We also don't have rear chrome reflectors.
> > I have been running 3.5" CD's as center tail light reflectors for
> > about a year now with no problems. Uploaded two photos to the 
photo
> > section.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please 
address:
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:42:37 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Miniature Lamps vs Led's Added Reflectors

The tail light lens assembly is a sealed unit.  How are you supposed to fit
a rigid shiny piece of plastic inside of it?  The holes for the bulbs to
poke through are too small.  If the reflectors fit outside the assembly,
doesn't this put them too far away to do any good?

Walt    Tampa, FL

----- Original Message -----
From: <johnb_at_dml_ccssinc.com>
> I have been running 3.5" CD's as center tail light reflectors for
> about a year now with no problems. Uploaded two photos to the photo
> section.





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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:24:59 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: $62,500?

In a message dated 10/23/01 5:04:29 PM Central Daylight Time, 
senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com writes:


>     There is a HUGE difference between a restoration Vs repair. Restorations 
> are divided into different categories...with general repair at the very 
> bottom. 
>     Cased on the information provided to me, there are some companies that 
> do 
> really awesome restorations and D1 is one of them.
> 
> 

Too bad if you ever wanted to get rid of the car, you'd never make half of 
that back!!   one person buying it for that much is one thing, another person 
to buy it used for more than $30K is another!

Andy

Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:30:16 -0700
From: "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com>
Subject: Sudden shifting trouble

Recently my car has had progressing shifting troubles.  For a while now I've
had trouble downshifting to fourth only when the transmission is hot (yes, I
do have the S.S. braided line).  But one morning all of a sudden I had
resistance upshifting in all gears, and I couldn't downshift at all without
it grinding.  Later that evening, after being parked, the smooth shifting
was restored and it went in all gears as easily as ever.  Now for the past
two days when the car is cold I'm getting kind of a "chunk" in first through
third gears.  It feels as if I'm shifting with the clutch pedal only halfway
down.  Sometimes first gear will kind of "kick" before fully going in.  It
does get better as I drive more.  I know the transmission is not low on
fluid, as I have just had it filled with fresh 80W-90, and the slave
cylinder is not leaking.

Just a note, I had a similar problem on my last car, an Integra.   It
happened to be a piece of the friction disk broken off and floating around
in the clutch housing causing problems.  I also have a Centerforce in the
DeLorean now that's only a few thousand miles old, however I don't like the
feel of it.  Has anyone had a problem with the Centerforce clutches?

Thanks for anyone's ideas!

Brandon J. Payne
#2975 "DeMara"




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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:44:12 -0400
From: "Rodger I. Vannatter" <rivwindance_at_dml_earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: $62,500?

To re-enforce senatorpack's remarks, my D is 5 years out from D1's
restoration results and is still a very dependable vehicle.  I did own my
car so price comparison is not the point.
The point I would like to stress, which I have never understood among
Delorean owners is that they brag, strut, and express the uniqueness and the
value of the car they own but, yet, are most times willing to give up the
car for a pence.
When you stop to think what a wonderful work of automotive art you have and
what you went through to obtain it, why would you insult the Delorean and
your previous feelings of the car by dumping it for a value that you would
attribute to a "yard sale item"?
For those of you that buy it for your ego, find a flasher car to get
attention.
For those who own and love the car for it innovations, expression of
automotive art form, and sheer pleasure of driving it... $62,500.00 is cheap
at double the price!!!!




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