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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 754
Date: Thursday, October 25, 2001 3:52 AM

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There are 18 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Free stuff at the DeLorean Fall Tour this weekend.
From: turbodmc_at_dml_hotmail.com

2. Brake Lights
From: "Willie Mack" <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>

3. RE: DeLorean LED conversion website
From: "Selden, Wayne" <wayne.selden_at_dml_tenethealth.com>

4. Side-Mirror Marker-Lights
From: Declan Kelly <declan_kelly_at_dml_zoots.com>

5. Re: $62,500?
From: "Stian Birkeland" <delorean_at_dml_online.no>

6. Re: DeLorean LED conversion website
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com

7. Re: $62,500?
From: Trevor Johnson <comet4055_at_dml_juno.com>

8. Re: Brake Lights
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

9. Your first DeLorean purchase II
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

10. Re: DMC REFURB, WHAT ENGINE?
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

11. Re: Brake Lights
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com

12. Latest on the Sunstar Model
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

13. Re: DeLorean LED conversion
From: "Rustproof" <Rustproof_at_dml_prodigy.net>

14. Left side fender
From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com

15. Re: PT Barnum?
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

16. RE: On Buying a DeLorean (best year to buy)
From: "JDL" <jdl_at_dml_interax.com>

17. Delorean prices...supply & demand
From: billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com

18. Re: Left side fender
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:26:17 -0000
From: turbodmc_at_dml_hotmail.com
Subject: Free stuff at the DeLorean Fall Tour this weekend.



Time is running our to sign up at the hotel and I need a final head 
count.Rob Grady is going to spring for Lunch on Saturday at PJ Gradys
(Hero salad etc.)

Check this out!
Rob from PJ Gradys has donated some products from its new line of 
stainless steel parts.
This is a brand new addition to their web page that was added today.
Check it out http://www.pjgrady.com/stainlessmain.asp 
The cost to enter the raffle FREE!
One more reason to participate.

Registration  for the Fall Tour FREE!
Lunch on Saturday FREE!
Cost of raffle to win stainless DeLorean stuff FREE! 
Cost to use the Back to Future Pinball Machine FREE!
Cost to enter Shelter Island Road Rally  FREE!

Please let me know if you will be attending ASAP  turbodmc_at_dml_hotmail.com 
Or call me at 631 680-4927

The hotel, special Delorean rate of $75 + tax but you must tell them 
you are part of the DeLorean Fall Tour (631) 324-4300 Fax 631 329-3743
On the web http://www.duneresorts.com/ehhouse.html

Regards,

Michael DeLuca













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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:53:42 -0400
From: "Willie Mack" <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>
Subject: Brake Lights



It was brought to my attention the other day that i have no brake lights.
My parking lights all work fine, but i have no brake lights.  I check all
the bulbs and fuses and everything was in good condition.  What else should
I check?

Thanks
  Willie
  Vin 5043




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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:20:45 -0500
From: "Selden, Wayne" <wayne.selden_at_dml_tenethealth.com>
Subject: RE: DeLorean LED conversion website

Just an idea, would this work for brake lights connected under the rear
louvers? 

Wayne R. Selden



-----Original Message-----
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 3:23 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] DeLorean LED conversion website


Hi List,
    I have had this website book marked for a LONG time and I havent
heard it 
mentioned yet.  It is a well documented web site on how to make the
lights on 
the DeLorean LED's.  I will probably be doing this to my side mark
lights 
soon. EVERYONE SHOULD CHECK IT OUT.  The LED's on the D look nice.

http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ProjectPl/mikedagoon/Ledlights.html


David Phelps
6286



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:29:06 -0400
From: Declan Kelly <declan_kelly_at_dml_zoots.com>
Subject: Side-Mirror Marker-Lights

Hi All
	I'm sure that you all have seen the new side-mirror look with the
marker lights 
	set into the back. I'm sure the Delorean would look so good coming
down the street
	on a dark night, low and wide with amber lighted mirrors. (UFO)
	http://www.kwmuth.com/
	Can we do this ? Do we have continuous 12v power in our side mirrors
?

Declan
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 00:16:38 +0200
From: "Stian Birkeland" <delorean_at_dml_online.no>
Subject: Re: $62,500?

That is a big difference since DMC Houston sells a completely refurbished/restored DeLorean for $29,500!
I think I read somewhere that one (or both) completely re-assemble the car and galvanize the frame (sink coating) it while they are at it. At least we know that DMC Houston has got all the parts for the DeLorean.

Maybe James Espey can shed some light on this - what do you get for $29,500? 
My guess is that you get it all :-) 

Best wishes
Mr. Stian Birkeland
Norway

VIN # 06759





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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:35:14 EDT
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: DeLorean LED conversion website

oops, List, this is not my website.  I should have probably clarified that a 
bit better.  I found the web site a while back and just remembered I saved 
the link so I posted it.  I wish it was my car though!  sorry for the 
confusion

David



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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:54:21 -0700
From: Trevor Johnson <comet4055_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Re: $62,500?

[ moderators note: with this said I'm killing the subject. this could go on forever. ]

First off-
This topic comes up quite frequently, I suggest searching through the
archives, it would save me a lot of angst in trying to convince you that
D-1 does in fact sell these cars, quite a few as a matter of fact. Also
the cars are worth every penny, most end up being shipped over seas, (in
japan, these cars commonly go for upwards of $80k.) Since this topic
never farewell, and I know I for one am tired of seeing it pop up every
couple of months, use the search feature and put in d-1 or DeLorean one
or something along those lines. There was a very in depth discussion
about 3 months ago on this subject. 

And to Claude, 
Do you want a DeLorean, or do want a car that is worthless and just looks
like one? yeah you can buy the 5k POS, and put all the addons onto it,
but then it really isn't a DeLorean. What D-1 Sells is as close to a
brand new, Factory Original DeLorean as you can get. (Robert... Its just
the same, new car smell, you get handed the keys to a Zero mile rebuilt
car, [I know we have argued about that so I am going to leave it at
that]) Anyway, the car you want, is different from the car I want, and
from the next guy down the road. I want a perfect DeLorean, ready to just
be driven, no work needed, if you want a fixer upper, more power to you.
But there are many people who want a reliable clean, un damaged car to
begin with.  

For Andy
D-1 Does a complete Restoration, I MEAN COMPLETE. I have seen several of
D-1's cars and they are immaculate. I even have a slight variation of one
of their cars. THEY ARE WONDERFUL, I cannot stress that enough. Also the
hear say about Ed is not a good way to judge him, he can be a really nice
polite person or, well yes he can be rude. The difference between DMC
Houston's cars and D-1 and unknown to me since I have only been to D-1
and not seen one of Houstons cars yet. 

Okay, That's all I have for now because I always get involved in this
argument way too much, if you have a reply send it to comet4055_at_dml_juno.com,
(this means attacking my stance and telling me D-1 is a bad company,)

Trevor Johnson
DMC's # 4055 and 6974
www.deloreancars.homestead.com
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 23:16:45 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: Brake Lights

Make sure that the brake light switch on the brake pedal is screwed 
down firmly.

-Robert
vin 6585



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Willie Mack" <wmack_at_dml_v...> wrote:
> 
> 
> It was brought to my attention the other day that i have no brake 
lights.
> My parking lights all work fine, but i have no brake lights.  I 
check all
> the bulbs and fuses and everything was in good condition.  What 
else should
> I check?
> 
> Thanks
>   Willie
>   Vin 5043




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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:21:02 +0000
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Your first DeLorean purchase II

Guess I overlooked the obvious, sorry.  Don't buy one with dents, don't
buy one with a cracked windshield, don't buy one that needs to be
upholstered, don't buy one with trashed louvers or facias, don't buy one
that's not been driven for 15 years, you will be facing a money pit.
Buy one that has been well taken care of and driven with some regularity
but not with extremely high mileage.  That's reasonable isn't it?  I
freely admit that a pristine '81 is vastly superior to a trashed '82 or
'83, I assumed that was a given.  As to the "book" borrowing it works
just as well as buying it, I said read it, not buy it, I borrowed the
copy I read.  You need to know what's in it.

You're on your own now, good luck!




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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 19:30:33 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: DMC REFURB, WHAT ENGINE?

In a message dated 10/24/01 5:28:43 PM Central Daylight Time, P12C16_at_dml_aol.com 
writes:


> Hello, 
> I noticed on the DMC website that you can have a "0 mile crate engine" 
> installed in the refurbished car.  What brand of engine is this, and are 
> people who have bought one satisfied with it?  How does it rate with 
> getting 
> the original DMC engine turbo charged by the DMC?
> 
> Thanks, 
> 

Patrick,

it is a zero mile NOS 2.8L FI PRV-6, the same one that you already have!  
it's not a different engine, just one that never made it into a car.

Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 19:32:27 EDT
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com
Subject: Re: Brake Lights

Willie, this is a common problem that the list recently helped me with.  The problem is that the bulb sockets are not making a solid connection to the board.  There are two fixes...buy redesigned taillight boards from a DeLorean vendor that won't have this problem, which cost around $80 or $90 each, I believe (but don't quote me on that price).  

OR, you can do what I did, play it cheap: get some small nuts and screws from Radio Shack and put them into the holes next to each bulb socket and tighten them down to the board.  This works *pretty* well, but it's not perfect.  (Mine still don't connect from time to time; I suppose I have to go back in and tighten the screws a little more.) The other problem I've noticed with this fix is that you may end up not being able to fit the lamp board with the screws back into the tail light assembly very easily; the screws may get in the way.  You'll see what I mean when/if you do this.  In that case, just fit the board on as best you can and...well, just use tape to make the rest stay put.  I know, ultra cheap sounding, but at least you save money and not many people will know the difference.

Hope this helps,

Richard




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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 19:03:32 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Latest on the Sunstar Model

The Managing Director Sunstar emailed me today and told me that the first
shipment of models has left the factory and is in their way to the US. He
expects them to arrive the SECOND week of November. We have the pre-labeled
boxes ready to ship them out the same day they arrive to us.

Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas 

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com 




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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:26:40 -0400
From: "Rustproof" <Rustproof_at_dml_prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: DeLorean LED conversion

I just received the latest J.C. Whitney Catalog. In the new and hot products
section (page one) they have a tail/brake light LED replacement lamp. It is
configured in a circular patern and is designed to display a "rotating
patern" while in taillight mode and 2 pulse per second "flash" in brake
light mode. They are supposed to be 4 times brighter and directly replace
the 1157 bulb. They sell for 24.95 each. They also advertise a marker lamp
and interior lamp as well. Available in the usual colors including white and
many other "neon" colors.  See the back inside cover. These look like they
run between around 9.00 depending on your needs. They also have a "fuse
type" LED replacement for the dome lights. These might be worth a look.
Rustproof
vin 1559




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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:51:18 EDT
From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Left side fender

Does anyone need a "repairable" left side front fender? 20 bucks!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=597102647&
r=0&t=0
Good luck on the repair.

John
4275


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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:15:51 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: PT Barnum?

In a message dated 10/24/2001 6:27:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net writes:

<< It occurs that some of you youngsters out there may not know about PT
 Barnum of Barnum and Bailey Circus fame.  He was a master showman, made
 a ton of money late 1800s early 1900s.  He is best know for the phrase:
 "There's a sucker born every minute." >>

Gee, 
    It occurs that some of you old-timers out there may not know about John 
DeLorean of DeLorean and General Motors fame.  He was a master showman, made 
a ton of money late 1960s early 1980s. Me is best known for the phrase:
"They'll all fall for this sales pitch." 



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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:33:45 -0400
From: "JDL" <jdl_at_dml_interax.com>
Subject: RE: On Buying a DeLorean (best year to buy)

Mike is essentially right, but a VIN can tell you a bit more.  For example,
the earliest VINs were from cars assembled just after the production process
got started.  If you recall, many of the first 500 or so cars
(pre-production) were assembled in order to get out the "bugs" in the
production process.   As time went on, through late 81 and early 82, the
workers became more proficient and the assembly line sped up.   Correct me
if I'm wrong, but late 82's- through December- morale was lower and, as Mike
said, many of these cars sat on docks in New Jersey and elsewhere waiting to
be sold.   On the other hand, improvements in some of the cars initial
deficiencies were taken care of, particularly from a major components and
safety standpoint- changing out the underpowered alternators, for example.

So you can make some judgments of the quality of car from where it started.
But again, to Mike's point, the care of the car in the intervening 20 or so
years is probably more important, particularly for a car that has seen some
use.

David
jdl_at_dml_interax.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Substelny [mailto:msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 11:56 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] On Buying a DeLorean (best year to buy)

I caution all subscribers to take this type of advice with a grain of salt.
Do not to be
lulled into a false sense of security!  Simply knowing a DeLorean's VIN (or
build date)
tells you NOTHING about its value or its viability!

Consider that daily drivers are not necessarily the most valuable.  Concours
quality,
gold plated, and other very special DeLoreans would be unlikely candidates
to become
daily drivers.

- Mike Substelny
VIN 01280, 8 years


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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 23:05:16 EDT
From: billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Delorean prices...supply & demand

I have only been on the list a few months and consider myself a novice when 
it comes to most things concerning the DeLorean. However, I have spoken or 
emailed to many list members, sellers and other experts. I too am a little 
surprised why DeLorean prices are not higher. Between 1985 and 1988 I wanted 
my first Delorean but being just out of college and no clue how to even find 
the car or how to care for it I went for the next best thing i could find, a 
silver acura integra....cost $12,500.
I do remember calling an older gentlemen (I believe in ohio with kapac) who 
wisely talked me out of buying one. At the time there was no internet and few 
experts to turn to. 

Here we are 13 years later and I have finally bought my first Delorean. The 
price....$12,500. Same as my new 1988 Integra. Several owners have joked with 
me that when they pull into their local gas station people mosey up to them 
and think they are looking at a $100,000 car. The owner usually tells me they 
respond, "don't tell anyone but I'll make you a deal for $40,000"

It makes no sense why this cars value is not higher: It can never me produced 
again, impossible to duplicate, limited quantity and still looks ahead of its 
time. The only reason I can imagine is that there are always so many for 
sale. I think at this time there are over 100 currently on the market through 
the various websites. Some of these cars stay on the market for months with 
the seller lowering their price in frustration 

Perhaps like a painting only the death of the artist will bring the car the 
notorioty it deserves and increase it to the value we all expected. However, 
most of you drive it for the love of the car which is the reason it was 
built. It seems alot of the original owner cars are slowly turning up in old 
warehouses and garages. When these cars disappear from the market and the 
demand moves past the current supply we will finally see our car prices rise. 
The only solution is the same as all those internet stocks we all are 
holding...don't sell.

mike c 



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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 23:13:40 EDT
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Left side fender

In a message dated 10/24/01 10:48:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com writes:


> BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com
> 
> Send it to me I'll buy it for $20 bucks
> 
> Ken 
> 4500 Woodland Dr 
> Mason, Oh 45040
> 




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