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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 755
Date: Thursday, October 25, 2001 9:11 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Taillight Reflector
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

2. RE: PT Barnum?
From: "Arnie Brandon" <Arnie_at_dml_PNDC.org>

3. Re: Sudden shifting trouble
From: "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com>

4. Re: Delorean prices...supply & demand
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

5. Reverse/Back Up Lights.
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

6. RE: Delorean prices...supply & demand
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

7. Re: Sudden shifting trouble
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

8. Re: Reverse/Back Up Lights.
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

9. Re: Delorean prices...supply & demand
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

10. Re: Brake Lights
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

11. Re: Sudden shifting trouble
From: "Rustproof" <Rustproof_at_dml_prodigy.net>

12. Re: Your first DeLorean purchase II
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

13. Re: Centerforce - was - Sudden shifting trouble
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

14. Re: Sudden shifting trouble
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

15. Re: Delorean prices...supply & demand
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com

16. Re: Brake Lights
From: sharksigns_at_dml_yahoo.com

17. lower door strut mount
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>

18. Zilla's MJ Fox Fund Raiser for Parkinson's Research
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

19. Re: Reverse/Back Up Lights.
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>

20. Winter Deloreans?
From: P12C16_at_dml_aol.com

21. Re: Winter Deloreans?
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

22. Re: Winter Deloreans?
From: billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com

23. Re: Your first DeLorean purchase II
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

24. Re: Re: Brake Lights
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

25. Re: lower door strut mount
From: "S CAGLE" <sharkywtrs_at_dml_msn.com>





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 23:44:29 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Taillight Reflector

In a message dated 10/24/01 6:35:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ultra_at_dml_isd.net 
writes:


> If anyone is missing this part, I strongly recommend calling a vender and 
> getting ahold of this part (I too, do not know its part number).  It is not 
> just a matter of asthetics (which people who know me will know I'm obsessed 
> 

It's part number 108361 (for either side.)  DMC Houston sells one with each 
replacement lens, according to their website.  Don't bother looking for an 
illustration of it in their parts diagram.  It's not illustrated in the 
original pic. I haven't had time to look through my assorted stack of 
DeLorean parts identification manuals, but I'd guess it's not in any of them. 
 These things happen.  I'm planning to include it in the revised manual.  
BTW, if anyone picks up a replacement lens on the cheap somewhere, they may 
have gotten it WITHOUT the reflector, since this was how dealers got the 
lens. So if you haven't got a reflector but you have got a nice new looking 
lens... it probably is still in the old one if you have it.  They hold in 
place with two plastic wings.  Easy to remove, if you're careful not to break 
them off.  If you're getting a new lens, what the heck, get the reflector.  
They fade too.

Wayne A. Ernst
DMCTech Group
vin 11174


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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:58:18 -0700
From: "Arnie Brandon" <Arnie_at_dml_PNDC.org>
Subject: RE: PT Barnum?

Yes, and look where John is now compared to P T Barnum.

-----Original Message-----
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com [mailto:senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:16 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] PT Barnum?


In a message dated 10/24/2001 6:27:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net writes:

<< It occurs that some of you youngsters out there may not know about PT
 Barnum of Barnum and Bailey Circus fame.  He was a master showman, made
 a ton of money late 1800s early 1900s.  He is best know for the phrase:
 "There's a sucker born every minute." >>

Gee,
    It occurs that some of you old-timers out there may not know about John
DeLorean of DeLorean and General Motors fame.  He was a master showman, made
a ton of money late 1960s early 1980s. Me is best known for the phrase:
"They'll all fall for this sales pitch."


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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:21:46 -0700
From: "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com>
Subject: Re: Sudden shifting trouble

> i'm curious, what don't you like about the centerforce?  it doesn't feel
much
> different from the OEM clutch to me.  i just replaced mine in July with a
> centerforce.

Andy, honestly I don't have any experience with the OEM (Valeo is it?)
clutch.  The previous owner had a Centerforce installed.  So perhaps my
judgement is not valid.  It's just not as smooth as I'm used to.  The clutch
doesn't engage smoothly, it's either on or off and makes a dull clunk when
it does engage.  Is this comparable to anyone else's Centerforce?

Concerning the master cylinder, it has developed a small leak.  Not bad, but
I've been having to wipe it off a little bit every month or so.  Could a
leaking master cylinder cause the clutch to not release all the way?  The
pedal effort is equal throughout the pedal travel.  Is this normal?  Most
other cars I've driven the pedal effort changes when it's near the floor.

Thanks for everyone's help.  I wish I had someone near me to compare cars
to, but I always appreciate anyone's input.  I love my car.  I may not have
a lot of money but she's worth every penny.

Brandon J. Payne
#2975




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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 02:06:34 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Delorean prices...supply & demand

In a message dated 10/24/01 10:21:46 PM Central Daylight Time, 
billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com writes:


> It seems alot of the original owner cars are slowly turning up in old 
> warehouses and garages. When these cars disappear from the market and the 
> demand moves past the current supply we will finally see our car prices 
> rise. 
> The only solution is the same as all those internet stocks we all are 
> holding...don't sell.
> 
> 

Mike, 

you are exactly right.  this is the best time to buy a DeLorean because:

1. prices are low
2. many are available in all conditions
3. original owners are frustrated that the car hasn't significantly 
appreciated in value, or are tired of the upkeep - they would rather just get 
rid of a car sitting in a garage for years.

the advantage to those of us who are owners are that EVENTUALLY all of the 
ratty, unkempt cars will be sold to younger buyers (or older guys who just 
want something to toy with) who really WANT to own, drive, and restore a 
DeLorean.  and these are the guys who will never give up their car for 
anything because they had dreamed of the big DMC logo for years.  at the 
point that most cars are in restored condition, that is when our cars will 
gain value.  right now there are just too many poor condition DeLoreans to be 
sold.

just my take on the whole thing.  i bought it because i loved the car - not 
for an investment.  if it appreciates some day, great.  but at least i have 
my dream car.

Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 07:02:15 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Reverse/Back Up Lights.

I installed a new reverse light switch, and for the first time ever, 
my reverse lights turned on by themselves. Happy I am that I have 
these safety lights working. But egads, these lights are dim! 
Nightime, the lights are below acceptable, and in daylight I still 
fear that no one will see them.

A few days ago someone had in a post that they had installed new 
super-bright bulbs to replace the stock ones. If that person reads 
this, please tell me where I can get these bulbs. Something is better 
than nothing. But while I'm happy that my reverse lights work now, 
I'm still not 100% comfortable with them because of this brightness 
issue.

Thanks in advance!

-Robert
vin 6585




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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:21:50 -0400
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: RE: Delorean prices...supply & demand

THis is very true.  With the current state of the economy, I think you will
be seeing more cars for sale (people may not be able to afford them, or may
need the cash).

I too bought my car becuase I ALWAYS wanted it.  I have only been an ofor 7 months, but I know if I were to sell my car, I would loose some of my
investment (put a lot of work into it) but I would be willing to chalk that
up to "The please of owning it"

I LOVE MY CAR!!!   :)




>-----Original Message-----
>From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:Soma576_at_dml_aol.com]
>Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 2:07 AM
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [DML] Delorean prices...supply & demand


>just my take on the whole thing.  i bought it because i loved the car - not
>for an investment.  if it appreciates some day, great.  but at least i have
>my dream car.

>Andy
>Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
>1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
>Fargo, ND 58102








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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:05:33 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Sudden shifting trouble

Brandon and Group, Don't be fooled by the name, Centerforce or anything. A 
name is a name for marketing. What about ( The Grabber ) it won't make the 
clutch work any better.  Valeo is the maker of the clutch system and it 
should shift smooth and lock up as you intend it to do by letting out on the 
pedal. You should have about 1" play at the top of the pedal and some after 
engaging or dis engaging at the bottom.
I used to run different clutches in corvettes depending on what I wanted to 
do, drag, race or just cruise, the one thing they had in common was they all 
worked. If your trying to run a stiffer clutch for dragging in a family car, 
then you get a jerky grabbing feel. The Delorean as we all know wasn't made 
to be a stop light dragster. It's a family sports car ( 2 person ) without 
all the power. 
John Hervey
http://www.specialtauto.com/drivetrain.shtml



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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:51:38 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Reverse/Back Up Lights.

Your dim light problem is common to the factory installed tail light circuit
boards. Bright lamps and reliable operation are easily achieved by replacing
the stock boards with the heavy duty upgrade from PJ Grady, item #101488G
priced at 59.75. The circuit board includes high intensity "Osram" bulbs.

DMC Joe
DeLorean Help dmchelp_at_dml_att.net
www.dmc.tv
----- Original Message -----
From: <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 3:02 AM
Subject: [DML] Reverse/Back Up Lights.


> I installed a new reverse light switch, and for the first time ever,
> my reverse lights turned on by themselves. Happy I am that I have
> these safety lights working. But egads, these lights are dim!
> Nightime, the lights are below acceptable, and in daylight I still
> fear that no one will see them.
>
> A few days ago someone had in a post that they had installed new
> super-bright bulbs to replace the stock ones. If that person reads
> this, please tell me where I can get these bulbs. Something is better
> than nothing. But while I'm happy that my reverse lights work now,
> I'm still not 100% comfortable with them because of this brightness
> issue.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> -Robert
> vin 6585





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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:19:27 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Delorean prices...supply & demand

Mike, When was the last time you were in a service station and someone came 
up to you and said, Man I haven't seen one of those in a long time, it must 
be worth a small fortune. ( Sell it to them )  because the Internet has 
brought the world together and the Rare is now not so rare. The person that 
said that more than likely doesn't shop or use the Internet much. I bought a 
book the other day that I thought was kinda rare till I got on ebay to find 
several and because of that, they either weren't selling or they were low 
bids. I think the word would be ( Deluting ).When the product doesn't show up 
all the time on all the media's for selling, then the prices will go back up 
and truly become a rare or more limited item. 
John Hervey
   http://www.specialTauto.com/



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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:24:28 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Brake Lights

Willie, I can repair the brake light boards for $10.00 ea+ postage. I have 
done several with no problems. I don't use screws. 
John Hervey



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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:03:57 -0400
From: "Rustproof" <Rustproof_at_dml_prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Sudden shifting trouble

I installed a Centerforce clutch about 3 months ago. First off, it IS a
Valeo clutch assembly. They are simply modified by Centerforce with the
attachment of their "patented" weight system. I personally can't see or feel
much of a difference between the stock OEM clutch and the Centerforce. The
only difference that is obvious is that they painted the pressure plate
gold, slapped a Centerforce sticker over the Valeo logo and added the
weights....There is no "clunk" when it engages, as a matter of fact, it is
quite smooth, but then again so is the OEM clutch when properly adjusted.
Your master cylinder leak is most likely responsible for the "clunk". When
the time comes again, I don't think I would spend the extra money for the
Centerforce. IMHO, any improvement attributed by the addition of the weights
is at best negligible.
Rustproof
Vin 1559





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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:07:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Your first DeLorean purchase II

I've kept quiet on this subject, but Les' comment
about not buying a DeLorean with extremely high
mileage cannot go unchallenged.  I don't know what is
considered "extreme", but some of the very best and
most reliable DeLoreans out there have been driven  60
- 100,000 miles and more. (Considering how many D's
never seem to get driven, that might qualify as
extreme.)  

Next Wednesday I will hop in my D and drive it To CA
for the third time this year and this trip will be
nearly 3,000 miles before I get home.  I have no more
worries about car trouble/reliability in my D than I
do in my Grand Cherokee.  

I have several friends in the DeLorean Touring Society
who have high mileage cars.  Placed side-by-side with
almost any "low mileage car" they would be the better
buy and the same or even higher price.  

Why?  Simple.  Those of us who really drive our cars
are more likely to keep them in perfect repair.  When
ANYTHING begins to be suspect in my car, it is fixed. 


Bottom line:  Generalizations about which cars to
avoid and which to go after are like all
generalizations - - they are guidelines, not hard and
fast "do's and don'ts".

Dick Ryan
  
--- Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net> wrote:
> Guess I overlooked the obvious, sorry.  Don't buy
> one with dents, don't
> buy one with a cracked windshield, don't buy one
> that needs to be
> upholstered, don't buy one with trashed louvers or
> facias, don't buy one
> that's not been driven for 15 years, you will be
> facing a money pit.
> Buy one that has been well taken care of and driven
> with some regularity
> but not with extremely high mileage.  That's
> reasonable isn't it?  I
> freely admit that a pristine '81 is vastly superior
> to a trashed '82 or
> '83, I assumed that was a given.  As to the "book"
> borrowing it works
> just as well as buying it, I said read it, not buy
> it, I borrowed the
> copy I read.  You need to know what's in it.
> 
> You're on your own now, good luck!
> 
> 
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:23:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Centerforce - was - Sudden shifting trouble

I have 35,000 miles on my Centerforce clutch.  The car
has twin turbo's.  When time comes to replace the
clutch, I will go with Centerforce again unless
something better has come along.

Dick Ryan   

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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:33:26 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Sudden shifting trouble

In a message dated 10/25/01 5:59:57 AM Central Daylight Time, 
bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com writes:


> Andy, honestly I don't have any experience with the OEM (Valeo is it?)
> clutch.  The previous owner had a Centerforce installed.  So perhaps my
> judgement is not valid.  It's just not as smooth as I'm used to.  The clutch
> doesn't engage smoothly, it's either on or off and makes a dull clunk when
> it does engage.  Is this comparable to anyone else's Centerforce?
> 
> Concerning the master cylinder, it has developed a small leak.  Not bad, but
> I've been having to wipe it off a little bit every month or so.  Could a
> leaking master cylinder cause the clutch to not release all the way?  The
> pedal effort is equal throughout the pedal travel.  Is this normal?  

Brandon, when the clutch master cylinder leaks, that means you have below 
normal hydraulic pressure in your clutch hydraulics.  you may only notice it 
in hot weather, but either way, you need to get that master cylinder fixed.  
it will lead to premature clutch wear which if you are like me, you would 
rather not touch the clutch for many many years.

my clutch pedal has pretty consistent pressure through the entire pedal 
travel, gets slightly easier at the bottom of the travel, which is the way i 
like it because my DeLorean was my first manual transmission car!!!!  all of 
my hydraulics and lines are new, so i assume that mine is a good example of 
how the centerforce feels.  

as for the clunk - that's not right.  mine shifts flawlessly, silently, 
smoothly, and tightly all of the time. first replace that leaky master 
cylinder!

Andy


Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:20:26 EDT
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com
Subject: Re: Delorean prices...supply & demand

I know this topic has been beating to death on the list, but you have to remember that not *everyone* sees the DeLorean as a cool collectable car.  First off, it has to be understood that the majority of people out there have never even THOUGHT of a DeLorean in years and don't realize that many of them exist as normal cars (a major reason why our cars get to much attention on the road.)  People see the BTTF movies on TNT every now and then, but that's it.  So maybe there would be more demand (and thus higher prices) simply if owners drove their cars more often and took them out of storage to up the car's exposure?  The idea has been mentioned here before.

Also, once again, to many people the DeLorean has a cartoonish image to it because of the movies.  Thus, some people think it is a cool thing to have, while many others think it is stupid and ugly.  (Yes, there are people out there who actually believe that.)  So the DeLorean is always going to be a love it or hate it kind of car, which may be reducing its desireability.  

You also have to remember that the DeLorean gets a lot of explicitly *negative* press as well.  Just a couple days ago I went to Barns and Noble and picked up a coffee table book on classic cars, and it SLAMMED the DeLorean pretty hard. (I forgot the name of it though.)  *I've* always thought that one reason why people don't like the DeLorean is because, dare I say, they are in some way jealous of the car.  After all, it is the most unique thing out there on the road, at a time when everyone is trying to be "different" and unique with cars.  The DeLorean is still around and was definately ahead of its time, and I think some car people may resent that.

These are, of course, minor issues to consider when asking why the DeLorean is not worth more, compared to the ecomonic supply issues already discussed.  But they are things to keep in mind.

Richard
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:54:45 -0000
From: sharksigns_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Brake Lights

Willie,

I had the usual problem as most with intermitent failure of my brake 
and tail lights.  The problem stems from the sockets being riveted to 
the circuit board, the rivets do not provide a reliable contact.  To 
fix this I simply and carefully soldered the rivet to the circuit 
board to provide constant contact and they have worked flawlessly 
ever since.  

Try it I think you will be happy you did.

Mark vin2602

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Willie Mack" <wmack_at_dml_v...> wrote:
> 
> 
> It was brought to my attention the other day that i have no brake 
lights.
> My parking lights all work fine, but i have no brake lights.  I 
check all
> the bulbs and fuses and everything was in good condition.  What 
else should
> I check?
> 
> Thanks
>   Willie
>   Vin 5043




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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:22:52 -0400
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: lower door strut mount

My lower door strut mount has been tilting more and more outward for
months.  Now it has broken the fiberglass and is protruding into the
channel between the inner and outer door seal.  Oh no!  Is there a fix
for this problem?  If not, how do I get into this area- can I simply
remove the filler plate or do I have to remove a body panel?  If I need
to remove panels, do i have to remove the rear quarter panel or just the
T panel?  

I'm sure others have had this problem; I saw a picture in the vault of
the same problem... What have you done to solve this atrocity?

Jim
1537
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:11:20 +0000
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Zilla's MJ Fox Fund Raiser for Parkinson's Research

Not only is this a very worthwhile effort, it's a heck of a deal.
Besides the elaborate wiring diagram, you get a Glove Box  "Breakdown
Service Manual", about 10 pages covering most of the questions raised on
the list when the car doesn't do right.  Fuse locations, relay
locations, what to bridge to check this and that, simply an outstanding
'where to turn to' when you have a problem, you won't believe how much
is covered.  You also get an accident data form, a detailed blank to
fill out, just in case, so that you don't forget anything.  All the
money goes to the Parkinson's research foundation.

Price is $10 for a download, $13 for the CD.  I ordered the CD but by
mistake got the download.  The download is zip file, if you don't do zip
files, go for the CD, hopefully it's full PDF version.  You need Acrobat
reader to turn the PDF file into printable form, if you don't have
Acrobat reader it's free on the net and easy to find.

Bob says sales have been less than exemplary, lets fix that, are we not
the mighty DML?




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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:14:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>
Subject: Re: Reverse/Back Up Lights.

You also might want to try washing the lens (inside and out) if you
haven't already. This can make a significant improvement. Also new stock
bulbs might be brighter if you still have the originals.

-Christian

On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com wrote:

> I installed a new reverse light switch, and for the first time ever,
> my reverse lights turned on by themselves. Happy I am that I have
> these safety lights working. But egads, these lights are dim!
> Nightime, the lights are below acceptable, and in daylight I still
> fear that no one will see them.
>
> A few days ago someone had in a post that they had installed new
> super-bright bulbs to replace the stock ones. If that person reads
> this, please tell me where I can get these bulbs. Something is better
> than nothing. But while I'm happy that my reverse lights work now,
> I'm still not 100% comfortable with them because of this brightness
> issue.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> -Robert
> vin 6585
>
>
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:12:58 EDT
From: P12C16_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Winter Deloreans?

Im trying to convince my dad the the DMC Houston refurb Delorean is the car 
for him, but he asked my how they drove on icy ground?  Its a good point as 
they are kind of lightweight compared to other cars.  

Thanks, 
Patrick



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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:25:56 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Winter Deloreans?

In a message dated Thu, 25 Oct 2001  7:30:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, P12C16_at_dml_aol.com writes:

> Im trying to convince my dad the the DMC Houston refurb Delorean is the car 
> for him, but he asked my how they drove on icy ground?  Its a good point as 
> they are kind of lightweight compared to other cars.  
> 
> Thanks, 
> Patrick
> 
> 


Patrick,

i had a post a couple weeks ago about this but i will repeat it.  in my own experience, the DeLorean is the most dangerous car i have ever driven on ice!  in a very low traction condition you will definitely notice that rear-weight bias.  after twice almost killing myself and totalling my precious car, i have vowed to never take my car out when the temperature is below zero F again. EVER!

the first time it happened, i only had my DeLorean for a week.  the temperature went down and rain turned into freezing rain.  i switched lanes and before i knew it, my back end was turning to the right and i was going sideways at 45 mph for about 200 feet!  i quickly hit dry pavement and gained my traction back.  i went 15 mph the rest of the way home with my hazards on because i was so freaked out.  

the second time, it was a bright spring day with almost all of the snow melted (i had taken the car out of storage for a car show that weekend) and i was going down a sort of rural 2 lane between two shelterbelts.  well the shelterbelts tend to keep ice from melting too quickly and i hit a patch of ice but didn't lose ground.  i slowly tapped the brakes a couple of times to lower my speed, then i downshifted carefully - but the slight change in velocity when i dropped it into the next gear was enough to send my back fishtailing and sliding to the right again, this time i did a 180 and went sideways into the snow on the side of the road and i had to get a tow truck to pull me back onto the pavement.  this time i was only going about 25 mph when it happened.  

now i'm not stupid and i'm not a bad driver.  but the DeLorean has a tendency to whip doughnuts if you hit any ice and touch the steering wheel, gearbox, or brakes.  i'm thinking most owners don't know about this because hardly any owners drive their cars in the winter - they put 'em in storage,which is what i do now.  

i would strongly suggest against driving a DeLorean in the winter due to my own experiences.  your life is more important than driving your toy year-round!!

just my 2 cents.
Andy



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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:24:02 EDT
From: billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Winter Deloreans?

I am not an expert but if I listed 50 ways to travel through the snow at the 
top of my list would be a sled pulled by a team of huskies, followed by a 
snowmobile. At the very bottom of the list would be any DeLorean. Especially 
one that has been refurbished and in perfect condition...other list members 
could start a list but finding a body shop when you slide into the median and 
take out a stop sign would be the first thing to consider

Mike C



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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:47:02 +0000
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Re: Your first DeLorean purchase II

Challenge?  I doubt that if all things were equal anyone would opt for a 100,000 mile car
over a 30,000 mile car, but then again, it was just a suggestion that has served me
well.  In taking engines apart, miking cylinder wear, crankshaft wear, camshaft wear, and
the like, not too bad for the first 50,000 miles, after that it starts to get arbitrary
and at some point you're looking at engine overhaul or replacement.  Timing chains go
out, timing gears go out, clutches go out, transmissions fail, most things have a certain
life expectancy  I'm in no hurry to find out what it is. (I'm glad I didn't cover rusty
undercarriages, I couldn't stand it if rust was the better bet).

Dick Ryan wrote:

> I've kept quiet on this subject, but Les' comment
> about not buying a DeLorean with extremely high
> mileage cannot go unchallenged.  I don't know what is
> considered "extreme", but some of the very best and
> most reliable DeLoreans out there have been driven  60
> - 100,000 miles and more. (Considering how many D's
> never seem to get driven, that might qualify as
> extreme.)
>
> Next Wednesday I will hop in my D and drive it To CA
> for the third time this year and this trip will be
> nearly 3,000 miles before I get home.  I have no more
> worries about car trouble/reliability in my D than I
> do in my Grand Cherokee.
>
> I have several friends in the DeLorean Touring Society
> who have high mileage cars.  Placed side-by-side with
> almost any "low mileage car" they would be the better
> buy and the same or even higher price.
>
> Why?  Simple.  Those of us who really drive our cars
> are more likely to keep them in perfect repair.  When
> ANYTHING begins to be suspect in my car, it is fixed.
>
> Bottom line:  Generalizations about which cars to
> avoid and which to go after are like all
> generalizations - - they are guidelines, not hard and
> fast "do's and don'ts".
>
> Dick Ryan
>




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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:20:05 +0000
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Brake Lights

That's true, the rivets press the bulb socket to the metal strip, oxidization, in time,
causes loss of electrical contact.  Replacement boards don't use this system.  Best field
repair is to solder the bulb base to the strip.

sharksigns_at_dml_yahoo.com wrote:

> Willie,
>
> I had the usual problem as most with intermitent failure of my brake
> and tail lights.  The problem stems from the sockets being riveted to
> the circuit board, the rivets do not provide a reliable contact.  To
> fix this I simply and carefully soldered the rivet to the circuit
> board to provide constant contact and they have worked flawlessly
> ever since.
>
> Try it I think you will be happy you did.
>
> Mark vin2602
>
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Willie Mack" <wmack_at_dml_v...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > It was brought to my attention the other day that i have no brake
> lights.
> > My parking lights all work fine, but i have no brake lights.  I
> check all
> > the bulbs and fuses and everything was in good condition.  What
> else should
> > I check?
> >
> > Thanks
> >   Willie
> >   Vin 5043
>
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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 01:42:28 +0000
From: "S CAGLE" <sharkywtrs_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Re: lower door strut mount


Jim, I think it was my rigged up door strut mount you were talking about. 
What had happened to mine was that whoever had it before me had made a strut 
mount out of the door seal support ( a very small piece of fiberglass) and 
this was actually holding the door strut up. Needless to say, it broke, and 
with tremendous force, the strut actually pushing against the rear quarter 
panel.  This was done because of what you're describing, the strut support 
breaking out of the fiberglass.  First step is ordering the extra strength 
support brackets from PJ Grady.  These have more surface area for support 
than the original supports.  Second, I had the hole refilled with resin and 
had the bodyshop go ahead and remount the new strut support.  I have a shop 
in town that does my work, he actually has a small amount of experience in 
DMC work.  The body itself isn't the tricky task, my problem was that when 
the support broke, it pushed the door WAY out of alignment.  If you have 
someone you know that can do these things, then it's not that big of a deal. 
Otherwise, I would leave it to one of the shops, as we all know the doors 
can be a real bear to get aligned right.


Scott


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