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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 762
Date: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 5:24 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. RE: The new mag.
From: myhrek_at_dml_aol.com

2. A Real Reward
From: "Eric" <ericp_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>

3. Re: Re: Blue exhaust
From: "flash66" <flash66_at_dml_stealthport.com>

4. unusual speedo failure
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

5. Re: Noisy fuel pump (still!)
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

6. RE: A Real Reward
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

7. Re: On Buying a DeLorean...BE CAREFUL!!!!
From: "Eric" <ericp_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>

8. Re: DeLorean Fall Foliage Tour
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com

9. MJ Fox Parkinson's Foundation
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

10. Re: A Real Reward
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

11. DeLorean Article on FoxNews.com
From: Jason Pucci <jasonsdlo_at_dml_yahoo.com>

12. front brake rotor replacement
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

13. Automatic Trans for sale..
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

14. Re: front brake rotor replacement
From: E Grauff <datamonk_at_dml_svn.net>

15. Re: front brake rotor replacement
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

16. Re: Deloreans in Indianapolis, Indiana
From: aaron_t_graham_at_dml_yahoo.com

17. Re: Re: Blue exhaust
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

18. Re: Deloreans magazine
From: knut.s.grimsrud_at_dml_intel.com

19. delorean raffle for public television station
From: <sburetta_at_dml_kvpt.org>

20. Re: MJ Fox Parkinson's Foundation
From: "Andrei Cular" <acular1_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>

21. Torsion bar rust
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com

22. Strange Stalling problem
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

23. wet floor
From: "Cameron Putsch" <putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu>

24. Re: front brake rotor replacement
From: "B Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>

25. Re: unusual speedo failure
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:24:32 EST
From: myhrek_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: RE: The new mag.

The few still having a "bad taste" in their mouths from subscribing to a "new 
DeLorean magazine" may be unaware or do not care about the developments or 
lack thereof, attendant to the prevailing circumstances then, prior to, and 
thereafter.

The presumption is that it has something to do with "droppings", $60 worth, 
followed by much probing, garnering "excuses" involving one of the "biggys".

The previous not withstanding, some mitigating facts may shed some light on 
overheated presumptions resulting in "bad taste".  No excuses are available, 
only the facts:  The cost of the "new DeLorean magazine" exceeded the amount 
collected in membership dues, hence substantial contribution(s) (droppings) 
was made by two of the optimistic conspirators, none of which have been 
recovered by said optimists.

The COMMENCEMENT ISSUE, 1998 received and published two submissions by two 
distinguished contributors, hardly the anticipated stampede of the 
disenfranchised.

About the Subject: Re: "The new mew mag." - go for it!

Finally, perhaps our only item of commonality is:  Lic. DMC-XII

Skål,     <MyhreK_at_dml_aol.com>


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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 03:09:44 -0000
From: "Eric" <ericp_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: A Real Reward

I bought my DeLorean a short while ago. My girlfriend and I have 
taken it
out here and there on the weekends, enjoying the ride and the looks, 
smiles,
and questions you always seem to get with this unique car. As most 
owners
can understand, the "ego boost" is sort of a rush. And there's a 
pride that
comes with slowly learning how the car operates and slowly learning 
how to
repair and maintain it yourself. (something of a challenge, I've 
learned!)

Well we were just rewarded with the nicest incident this past weekend.
While filling with gas at a local 7-Eleven, I was approached by a 
little boy
probably about nine years old.
He was excited about the car - he thought the car was just made for 
the
movies, he didn't know it was a real car. I explained to him that it 
was,
but they only made them for a short time. You could see his wide eyes 
as he
looked at the interior. I asked if he wanted to sit inside. By that 
time his
dad walked over and struck up a friendly conversation.

My girlfriend has been carrying around a disposable camera, in case we
wanted to take a cool "car photo" in some neat spot.  Before I knew 
it she
was taking pictures of this kid behind the wheel of the car, standing 
next
to it..etc.  He was totally consumed.  

Just as we were getting ready to leave, she gave this kid the camera 
and told
him he could have it. "Make sure you have your dad develop these for 
you.",
my girlfriend said before we left.

In those short 10 minutes we realized that the REAL reward of owning 
this
car is sharing it with others. 

Eric
vin# 5557
Dunedin, FL





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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 00:28:12 -0500
From: "flash66" <flash66_at_dml_stealthport.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Blue exhaust

Ok, before you freak out, and you start pulling the motor, let me offer some
advice. If your D has been sitting for a long time and it didn't smoke
before you stored it,
then your problem most likely would be stuck/sticking piston ring's,
allowing oil into one or more of the cylinders, and burning the oil when
they are fired . Go to a parts store and get 2 bottle's of Marvel mystery
oil. Drain one quart of oil and pour the first bottle into your engine, this
should free the ring's. Then pour the other in the gas tank .It makes a very
good cleaning agent, with a lubricant for the upper part of the motor,
valves, etc, if poured in the fuel tank and burned with the fuel. This stuff
has been around alot longer then we have, and earned it's name with top
mechanics.Also to mention it has cured this problem for me on 2 of my older,
stored, super toy's. You might need to do it twice to free the rings, but a
hek of alot cheaper fix than a engine rebuild. Hope this helps and good
luck!!

-Paul Catignani   < Future posterboy for Marvel LOL imagine that.....>
#16811
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 9:45 PM
Subject: [DML] Re: Blue exhaust


> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_b...> wrote:
>
> > Now its back together with new muffler, apart from being a lot
> quieter, it is blowing a fair amount of blue tinted exhaust.
> >
> > What is causing this?
>
> Blue exhaust = you're burning oil. Valve guides or piston rings. Both
> are pretty rare failures on a PRV, but Bad Things Happen when an
> engine is not run for many years.
>
> Dave Swingle
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 03:48:52 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: unusual speedo failure

I haven't had time to do anything with my noisy fuel pump, but I did fix my
speedometer.  I have never heard of anyone having one malfunction like this.
To make a long story short, the problem turned out to be that the dust
shield (I call it the angle drive hub) was slipping.  There was about 1mm
side-to-side play between the dust shield and the hub.  Some of that slop is
due to wear.  I think that what contributed to this problem was my cutting
the angle drive cable shorter to stop it from jamming in the dust shield.
(I don't recommend this because it frays on the end.)  Anyway, now the dust
shield can seat completely into the hub, but there is no longer any
compression in the angle drive cable to push the dust shield against the rim
to allow it to grab.  I fixed this by wrapping some duct tape around the
dust shield to make it hold tighter into the hub.  I don't like this, but
it's the best thing I could come up with at this point.

And, yes, my angle drive and upper & lower cable are well lubricated.  But
still the friction in these parts was enough to let the dust shield slip.

There was another list member who fixed a similar problem on his D (the one
where the angle drive cable is too long).  He fixed it by making a hole in
the dust shield rather than cutting the cable.  If you are reading this, let
us know if your dust shield starts slipping.

Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:33:44 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: Noisy fuel pump (still!)

If you are going to worry about rust in the fuel system then you have 
more important parts to worry about besides a spring in a hose!!!! The 
allowable moisture content of gasoline is very low, it gets into fuel 
by being stored in leaky underground tanks, condensation, improper 
handling, and on a Delorean by bad seals around the fuel pump. If you 
have any doubts that there is water in your fuel, drain the fuel tank 
and look inside. Any appreciable quantities will be observable as a 
large bubble of water floating around in the bottom. Not only must you 
remove it but you must find out how it got in. After cleaning out the 
tank replace the fuel filter and on a full tank of gas add a can of 
drygas to break-up and disperse any remaining water. Water is VERY BAD 
for all of the metal parts of the fuel injection system. If you have 
water in the gas the car will sputter, hesitate and in general run 
crummy so if there is water in the fuel you can't help but notice it. 
The good news is that because of the abundance of fuel injected cars 
and their low tolerance for water the gas companies keep the moisture 
content very low. You can buy no-name gas as long as you use the same 
station often and don't have trouble. Even the discounters know if the 
tanks leak customers won't come back. In fact the EPA requires the 
stations to keep track of the levels to moniter for leakage and to 
also test for the presence of water regularly. Most stations now have 
fiberglass double wall tanks so they don't leak or rust.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., DMCVegas_at_dml_l... wrote:
> This question came to me offline a little bit ago from another 
DML'er 
> who was concerned about rust. The spring should not rust inside the 
> gas tank. Water is what causes rust. Water can enter in the system 
> thru either a bad seal around the fuel pump, or from condensing out 
> of the air. The latter of the two is most likely to occur after the 
> car has sat for quite some time, with a ½ tank of gas. Components on 
> their own will not simply rust by themselves without water.
> 
> 
> > One downside to installing the spring inside the fuel pump pickup 
> hose is
> > the fact that the spring may rust.  Small particles of rust will 
> damage the
> > fuel pump.  The fuel filter should catch the rust particles before 
> they make
> > it to the engine or fuel distributor.
> > 
> > Scott Mueller
> > DMCNEWS 002981
> > DOA 5031




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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 10:55:34 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: RE: A Real Reward

Thank you for making all DeLorean owners look good!

It is a situation like this that will increase the respect and demand
(value) of our cars.

Marc

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric [mailto:ericp_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 10:10 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] A Real Reward


I bought my DeLorean a short while ago. My girlfriend and I have 
taken it
<SNIP>



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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 03:35:10 -0000
From: "Eric" <ericp_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: On Buying a DeLorean...BE CAREFUL!!!!

I believe the $20K rule is a decent starting point, but you must 
meter it with common sense.  Having recently bought mine, for around 
that price, I can tell you that I looked at several D's around the 
state of FL.  It's quite amazing what some folks "believe" their car 
is worth. I saw one with a seat removed, the dashboard torn up, and a 
motor that could barely run - and this person wanted $18K !!!!  He 
informed me that it was a "collectable" and the price was 
skyrocketing these days. (fortunately enchanted, I may have 
been...stupid I'm not!)

My 2 cents:  use the knowledge and advice available from folks on 
this DML, friends who may own a D, and good common sense.  Don't be 
enchanted with the site of the car of your dreams - but also don't 
lose faith that you can find a quality machine.

Personally, I'd choose a car that is well maintained - with higher 
miles. I'm learning how strong these engines really are. 

Put it this way, it's a toy and a labor of love. Ask anyone who's 
ever owned a boat how much money they invested intially, then 
annually for maintenance. Then ask how many times they got to enjoy 
it in one year.  Arguably, you'll find your D is a better deal - as 
toys go! And it has the potential to appreciate in value.

Eric





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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 23:32:29 EST
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: DeLorean Fall Foliage Tour

Hey List,

    To all who weren't able to make this Fall Foliage Tour that Mike De Luca 
set up, missed a great show.  I just wanted to thank a few people who helped 
make this event the best it could ever be.  Thanks to Mike De Luca for making 
this whole event possible and for taking the time to plan that road rally on 
shelter island.  Thanks to Rob and Debbie Grady who hosted lunch at their 
shop on saturday and to lead the way for our caravan.  I especially had a lot 
of fun blocking the traffic and almost getting my friend's car all smashed up 
(you all should have seen her face when I went out the wrong way at the hotel 
to block the oncoming traffic).  I even made some illegal moves for the sake 
of the caravan so I hope everyone appreciated what I did for them  :).  Lets 
hope that Mike will set up another event for next year  :)   Thats all for 
now!

Later,
Nick Pitello
1852
<A HREF="Http://members.aol.com/njp548">Http://members.aol.com/njp548</A>



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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:21:02 +0000
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: MJ Fox Parkinson's Foundation

It's sad that Michael J. Fox is fighting Parkinson's.  It's a very
positive thing that Bob Zilla and Rob Grady, in concert, decided to do
something to help.  The package they're offering for a $10 donation is
worth a great deal more than the asked for donation.  The time involved
in producing the diagram and booklet multiplied by the time value of the
producers is head shaking.

As of yesterday, from the DML membership (1172) and from those of the
DOA who monitor the list, a total of  $330 has been raised.  Just 33
people.

I think that's sad!

All the money goes to the MJ Fox Parkinson's research foundation.  Cash,
check, MO, credit card, it all works.  Contact ZillaDelorean_at_dml_aol.com




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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 08:25:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: A Real Reward

I share Eric's feeling about the DeLorean and I've
only owned one for 19 years!

I invite kids to sit in the car.  I've taken pictures
and sent copies to the kids.  

To the Dad's I spend a few minutes telling them what a
kick it is to own a DeLorean and how most of the "bad
raps" given to it are untrue.  

JZD can no longer advertise the D.  It is up to us now
to see that the marque will live forever.

Dick Ryan
Still living the Dream

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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 09:14:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Jason Pucci <jasonsdlo_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: DeLorean Article on FoxNews.com


DeLorean: Back to The Future

Monday, October 29, 2001
By Roger Friedman

Yesterday I ran into a convention of DeLorean enthusiasts on Shelter Island near the Hamptons. 

DeLorean? Yes, the once futuristic car invented by John DeLorean. Went belly-up. You remember. The car doors hinged up, like wings. Michael J. Fox cruised through time in one in the Back to the Future movies. 

Yesterday's rally had eight owners with their silver cars shining in the sun. A Long Island dealer, Debby Grady, of West Sayville, said she had 40 more stashed away in her garage. 

Last year, and this June, there was and will be a big, big Delorean meeting. And this year, like last, DeLorean himself will address his followers. 

"But," said Grady, "we have to fly him in. And he only goes first class." 

Nothing's too good for a deposed leader. I don't know why, but the whole thing reminded me of Galaxy Quest. 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,37514,00.html#3

 

 



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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:45:53 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: front brake rotor replacement

Can anyone give me some pointers on replacing the front brake rotors?  The
workshop manual doesn't give any procedure for this.  Should I re-pack the
wheel bearings while I'm in there?

When my mom asked me why I keep shaking the steering wheel every time I put
the brakes on, I figure I have been driving with this dangerous condition
long enough.  How did the rotors get warped that bad?  Two hard stops in a
row from 60mph.  That screwed them up real good.  And to think that the
window sticker on these cars bragged about the 4 wheel disk brakes.  But
then it also bragged about the wonderful epoxy coated frame, and we all know
how that turned out.

I will say that the brakes are certainly adequate to stop the car ONCE.  But
you better give them time to cool before you stomp on it again.

Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:44:29 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: Automatic Trans for sale..

I will be taking the auto trans out of my DeLorean sometime in the near
future, and wanted to know if there was anyone interested in purchasing
it.

I am making the query now, so the interested party can verify that the
unit is working flawlessly in the car before the purchase.


Please contact me directly if your interested.






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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 11:03:32 -0800 (PST)
From: E Grauff <datamonk_at_dml_svn.net>
Subject: Re: front brake rotor replacement

Actually if anyone used an air-ratchet to put on your front wheels that
could do it also.  Too much torque warps the rotors.

On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Walter wrote:

> When my mom asked me why I keep shaking the steering wheel every time I put
> the brakes on, I figure I have been driving with this dangerous condition
> long enough.  How did the rotors get warped that bad?  Two hard stops in a
> row from 60mph.  That screwed them up real good.




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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 11:19:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: front brake rotor replacement


Driving hard in the mountains of Colorado I'm sure I
often do the equivalent of two quick consecutive panic
stops from 60mph.  My rotors haven't warped.  

I suspect the problem lies elsewhere.

Dick ryan

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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:54:07 -0000
From: aaron_t_graham_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Deloreans in Indianapolis, Indiana

Dave,

That would be me.  I just moved here from Texas (after a brief few 
months in Illinois).

Are there any Indianapolis owners who know of any good repair shops? 
I like to do most repairs and maintenance myself, but if I can find a 
great mechanic, I'd rather leave a few things to him/her.

BTW, some suggested mechanics around the US:

*** Delorean Motor Company in Houston:  I've had great service with 
them.  Warren, James, Steve, and Bill have all been a wonderful 
help.  Too bad I moved out of there before I got to see the new place.

*** Peter B's in Champaign, IL:  Peter replaced my water pump.  I was 
impressed with his work, and he also took the time to show me some 
things I could do to my engine to keep it in top shape.  There are 
quite a few D's in the Champaign area, so he's had a little 
experience.

Aaron


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., aabclafon_at_dml_a... wrote:
> I have seen, I believe the same Delorean twice on the West side of 
> Indianapolis
> 38th Street area.  Anyone own it or knows who owns it.  I also own 
a D and 
> live just a few miles from this area, and I know its not my 
Delorean driving 
> around, unless
> it is going out on its own, while I am at work.  Or it could be a 
BTTF thing, 
> where'
> I have come back in time and see myself driving.  ( naaa don't 
think so. )
> 
> Thanks
> Dave L.
> #2520




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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:00:46 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Re: Blue exhaust

Thanks Paul, but Paul Salsbury is in the UK like me - for his benefit, it sounds like
you're talking about Redex - do you have that over in the US?

Martin
DOC UK
#1458

flash66 wrote:

> Ok, before you freak out, and you start pulling the motor, let me offer some
> advice. If your D has been sitting for a long time and it didn't smoke
> before you stored it,
> then your problem most likely would be stuck/sticking piston ring's,
> allowing oil into one or more of the cylinders, and burning the oil when
> they are fired . Go to a parts store and get 2 bottle's of Marvel mystery
> oil. Drain one quart of oil and pour the first bottle into your engine, this
> should free the ring's. Then pour the other in the gas tank .It makes a very
> good cleaning agent, with a lubricant for the upper part of the motor,
> valves, etc, if poured in the fuel tank and burned with the fuel. This stuff
> has been around alot longer then we have, and earned it's name with top
> mechanics.Also to mention it has cured this problem for me on 2 of my older,
> stored, super toy's. You might need to do it twice to free the rings, but a
> hek of alot cheaper fix than a engine rebuild. Hope this helps and good
> luck!!
>
> -Paul Catignani   < Future posterboy for Marvel LOL imagine that.....>
> #16811




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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 00:48:02 -0000
From: knut.s.grimsrud_at_dml_intel.com
Subject: Re: Deloreans magazine

Moderator's note: I'm still getting occasional posts on this topic 
from quite a while ago. Since the initial magazine issue is available 
to anyone who wants to have a look at it for free, I suggest that 
anyone interested get a copy for themselves. With this topic 
primarily consisting of opinion with little informative 
content/facts, I'm dropping followups to it. If you feel strongly 
about this or have some informative facts related to this, please 
drop me a line.

       Knut





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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:51:59 -0800
From: <sburetta_at_dml_kvpt.org>
Subject: delorean raffle for public television station

Valley Public Television in Fresno, the PBS station for the San Joaquin Valley, is having a raffle for a 1981 DeLorean. This $18,000 car in mint condition, has 18,000 miles on it, 2.9 litre engine, leather interior, brushed steel exterior in stainless steel, and gas tank opening on the front hood in the middle near the front window.  A jacket and cap are included.  Tickets are $50 a piece or 6 for $250.  We take visa, master card, cash, checks and money orders.  All proceeds go to purchasing programs for our station.  E-mail me at sburetta(at)kvpt.org or call 559-266-1800.

thank you for your generosity!

Stephanie Buretta 
Auction Manager for Valley Public Television




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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:24:31 -0500
From: "Andrei Cular" <acular1_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: MJ Fox Parkinson's Foundation

I just got mine and it really nice and much quicker to read than the
original.  It is a typical Zilla product but not typical Zilla price.  This
weekend I will be printing it on a 48"x36" plotter to put on the wall next
to my D.  If it comes out like I think it will maybe I will offer it as a
service to anyone that gives the $10 donation for the file.



Andrei



----- Original Message -----
From: "Les Huckins" <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 1:21 PM
Subject: [DML] MJ Fox Parkinson's Foundation


> It's sad that Michael J. Fox is fighting Parkinson's.  It's a very
> positive thing that Bob Zilla and Rob Grady, in concert, decided to do
> something to help.  The package they're offering for a $10 donation is
> worth a great deal more than the asked for donation.  The time involved
> in producing the diagram and booklet multiplied by the time value of the
> producers is head shaking.
>
> As of yesterday, from the DML membership (1172) and from those of the
> DOA who monitor the list, a total of  $330 has been raised.  Just 33
> people.
>
> I think that's sad!
>
> All the money goes to the MJ Fox Parkinson's research foundation.  Cash,
> check, MO, credit card, it all works.  Contact ZillaDelorean_at_dml_aol.com
>
>
>
> To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address:
> moderator_at_dml_dmcnews.com
>
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:17:13 EST
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com
Subject: Torsion bar rust

How worried should I be about slight signs of torsion bar rust on my driver's side that I have been recently noticing?  Is this something I can cure on my own or am I talking about a difficult torsion bar replacement?

Thank you for any help,

Richard




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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:27:12 -0500
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: Strange Stalling problem

I was on the road today with my Delorean, and it stalled at a traffic light.
I tried to start it again, and when I turned the key, it cranked, but did
not catch.  Luckily I was on a SLIGHT downhill so I let the car roll and
poped the clutch.  The engine started right back up, but as soon as I gave
it gas, it instantly stalled.

I managed to roll/run/stall to the side of the road.  I rode the shoulder
for about a minute until i got to a driveway (stalling and bucking the car
the whole way)  When I pulled into the business parking lot, the car seemed
to idle fine.  I let it sit for a min, and then reved the engine a few
times....all seemed good.  I drove a few circles in the lot...all seemed
good.

I got back on the road, and drove for about 5 mintues...it bucked once more
from a stall...then was fine.

I drove about 1/2 hour (going home from work...figured if the car would hang
in there, I could make it without a tow) and it stalled 2-3 more times just
after I started to roll out of another traffic light...i just kept the gas
on, kept it in gear, and it ran fine again after a few seconds.

Made it home without further incident. (another 20 min)

What I noticed:
1.  Car would not start the first time when key was turned...seems to be ok
now.
2.  When Ideling, the oil pressure would drop between the 0 and the first
tick mark (i thought that seemed low)..could this be an oil pump going bad?
When the car stalled, the oil light was on, but I think that is becuase the
key was in the "On position" when the engine was not running.
3.  Engine would cut FLAT out...
4.  I ususally put Super in the car, and last week I filled it with regular
gas...dont know if it is being fussy?  Maybe something in the line?

Suggestions?  Help?  I am not a mechanic by any means, so mostly I am
looking for "it could be"s rather then "Try this..."  unless the try part is
REALLY easy.




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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:01:37 +0100
From: "Cameron Putsch" <putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu>
Subject: wet floor

I recently noticed that my drivers side floor get soaked when it rains. It is not leaking through the door anywhere and my floor is perfectly intact. This has probally been a problem for years as the carpet is slightly stained from when I bought it. Do any of you have an idea if perhaps it is leaking through the vent in front of the windsheild or if perhaps through the foot well?

Casey at putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu


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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:18:00 -0600
From: "B Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: front brake rotor replacement

The wheel bearings are sealed and aren't the tapered timken type that many
rear wheel cars use up front. I've heated my brakes to the point they
wouldn't stop the car while hurrying around the track at Road America and
have yet had to experiance any warping problems. I suspect there may have
been a quality control problem regarding the metallurgical properties of the
brake rotors. I remember when my car was new that several owners experienced
warped rotors with-in a few thouand miles while others are still running
around today with good originals.

Bruce Benson


> Can anyone give me some pointers on replacing the front brake rotors?  The
> workshop manual doesn't give any procedure for this.  Should I re-pack the
> wheel bearings while I'm in there?
>
> When my mom asked me why I keep shaking the steering wheel every time I
put
> the brakes on, I figure I have been driving with this dangerous condition
> long enough.  How did the rotors get warped that bad?  Two hard stops in a
> row from 60mph.
> I will say that the brakes are certainly adequate to stop the car ONCE.
But
> you better give them time to cool before you stomp on it again.
>
> Walt    Tampa, FL
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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:21:51 -0600
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: unusual speedo failure

No problems yet. I don't anticipate any, either, since the hole for the
angle drive cable was just as square after I cut the nipple off as it was
before. The cable fits nice and snug.
And, since my dust cap was glued in by persons previous for unknown reasons,
I applied a little silicone to the top and bottom when I put it all back
together. Not enough to stick as tight as the person previous!
I don't see how it could slip....

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:48 AM
Subject: [DML] unusual speedo failure


> I haven't had time to do anything with my noisy fuel pump, but I did fix
my
> speedometer.  I have never heard of anyone having one malfunction like
this.
> To make a long story short, the problem turned out to be that the dust
> shield (I call it the angle drive hub) was slipping.  There was about 1mm
> side-to-side play between the dust shield and the hub.  Some of that slop
is
> due to wear.  I think that what contributed to this problem was my cutting
> the angle drive cable shorter to stop it from jamming in the dust shield.
> (I don't recommend this because it frays on the end.)  Anyway, now the
dust
> shield can seat completely into the hub, but there is no longer any
> compression in the angle drive cable to push the dust shield against the
rim
> to allow it to grab.  I fixed this by wrapping some duct tape around the
> dust shield to make it hold tighter into the hub.  I don't like this, but
> it's the best thing I could come up with at this point.
>
> And, yes, my angle drive and upper & lower cable are well lubricated.  But
> still the friction in these parts was enough to let the dust shield slip.
>
> There was another list member who fixed a similar problem on his D (the
one
> where the angle drive cable is too long).  He fixed it by making a hole in
> the dust shield rather than cutting the cable.  If you are reading this,
let
> us know if your dust shield starts slipping.
>
> Walt    Tampa, FL
>
>
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