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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 771
Date: Monday, November 05, 2001 9:35 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Re: epoxy damage from brake fluid
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

2. Re: Re: Insurance for Ds at AIG - no more..
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

3. Re: Re: T-panel fix - but how to bend the tabs back??
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

4. Impact Absorber for sale - NIB
From: romeo_at_dml_maco.net

5. RE: Re: Insurance for Ds at AIG - no more..
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com

6. Initial starting problems!
From: "Thompson, Dwayne A." <dathomps_at_dml_southernco.com>

7. Alternator
From: shain_at_dml_elecmods.com

8. DeLorean Transformer!!
From: delorean502_at_dml_excite.com

9. DeLorean mentioned in Magazine
From: "ian" <ian_at_dml_netvigator.com>

10. RE: Re: Insurance for Ds at AIG - no more..
From: "Thompson, Dwayne A." <dathomps_at_dml_southernco.com>

11. Re: Frequency Valve Voltage
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

12. RE: DeLorean Transformer!!
From: "Selden, Wayne" <wayne.selden_at_dml_tenethealth.com>

13. Re: Initial starting problems!
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

14. Insurance Poll
From: "Michael Babb" <michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com>

15. Delorean Book
From: princess_val1917_at_dml_yahoo.com

16. Re: DMC How are the fuel injector suppose to work in this system?
From: jugeauj_at_dml_gdls.com

17. Re: Re: Insurance for Ds at AIG - no more..
From: "skipper landry" <sk1pper_at_dml_intersurf.com>

18. Trailing Arm Bolt Concerns
From: tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com

19. ETDOC Gatlinberg gathering
From: "Sean Howley" <delorsche_at_dml_att.net>

20. NEW "DeLorean" sidestripe
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com

21. Re: Frequency Valve Voltage
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com

22. Re: epoxy damage from brake fluid
From: "David Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

23. Re: DeLorean mentioned in Magazine
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

24. I-95 in Georgia sighting
From: "Jack Stiefel" <jack_at_dml_sacketmansion.com>

25. RE: Insurance Poll
From: "Michael Babb" <michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:21:22 EST
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Re: epoxy damage from brake fluid



    Another DeTomaso Pantera owner has his entire body stripped of paint, 
filler, bondo, etc. The shell was disassembled and prepared for shipment to 
the Redi-Strip Company. (they advertise in Hemmings)
    I believe that they have the ability to strip the DeLorean frame. It is 
rather expensive as it is a very first class process that involves no heat 
whatsoever, such as was mentioned before.

Mike



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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:26:46 EST
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Re: Insurance for Ds at AIG - no more..



    I would recommend collectors car insurance if you do not plan excessive 
mileage on the car per annum.
    The logical alternative for DeLorean insurance is Allstate Co. Allstate 
was a substantial investor in DMC. They have no problems insuring the 
DeLorean.



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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:28:39 EST
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Re: T-panel fix - but how to bend the tabs back??

In a message dated 11/05/2001 12:07:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net writes:

<< While you have the "T" panel 
 off remove the rectangular metal plate and check inside for any rust. >>

Scrape, Clean and paint if you find rust. To secure the wiring loom cover use 
liberal amounts of Duct Tape. 



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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 05:56:41 -0000
From: romeo_at_dml_maco.net
Subject: Impact Absorber for sale - NIB

[Moderator Note - Impact Absorber = the foam thing under the facia i.e. the bumper. It would be good to know if this is front or rear, though]

Hi.
I have a, new in the factory box, impact absorber for sale.
Please email me if you are interested.  Thank you.
romeo(AT)maco.net




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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 06:29:49 -0500
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: RE: Re: Insurance for Ds at AIG - no more..

I added my Delorean to my existing policy with Allstate and had no problems. The premium as a second car was about the same as my primary car, a Mitsubishi Diamante. I do not carry collision on either of my cars, just liability, uninsured motorist, glass and comprehensive. Maybe Allstate knows the DMC-12 a little better because as I recall they were an original Delorean investor or promoter.
Jim



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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 07:50:09 -0600
From: "Thompson, Dwayne A." <dathomps_at_dml_southernco.com>
Subject: Initial starting problems!

I am having difficulty initially starting my "D". I turn the ignition and it
starts and then it "chokes" off. I'll do that a couple more times before it
starts. However, it continues to act like it wants to cut off. So I have to
wait about five minutes before I can drive it w/o  jerking back and forth.
But after this initial difficulty it runs fine!

Blessings,
Dwayne (VIN 1370)





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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 13:53:15 -0000
From: shain_at_dml_elecmods.com
Subject: Alternator

[MODERATOR HINT- search the DMCNEWS and YAHOOgroups archives on "alternator". This has been covered many times with many answers]

Hello,

Are there any alternators that i would be able to purchases at a local
auto parts store that would be a bolt on replacement.  I noticed pj
grayd sells a ac/delco model, and the DeLorean cross refrence software
i downloaded from dmcnews suggest a motorola.  If the ac/delco is a
replacement does anyone have the model or part number.  Thank you.

- Shain




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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 15:02:25 -0000
From: delorean502_at_dml_excite.com
Subject: DeLorean Transformer!!

I'm 21 and grew up with Transformers and Deloreans.  But I never 
thought I would see this!!!  Some guy out there made a Delorean 
transformer out of a Lamborgini Transformer.  IT LOOKS PERFECT!!  
What could be more exciting for someone who's childhood revolved 
around these two great things?!

http://www.geocities.com/steelskin01/

Erik




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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 23:32:32 +0800
From: "ian" <ian_at_dml_netvigator.com>
Subject: DeLorean mentioned in Magazine

Hi DMLers,

There is a paragraph about the DeLorean in the latest (November, 2001)
"Classic and Sports Car" magazine from Britain. The article is a  4 page
interview with Giugiaro about his 40 years designing cars. On page 144 there
is a separate paragraph commenting on DeLorean (the man and car).

I quote the last sentences ...

" He insisted on the gullwing doors which caused major engineering problems
and the car was pretty horrible. It was terrible to drive. Making cars
requires huge reserves of capital which he simply didn't have. I really
wanted it to be a success."

Cheers,               IAN (Hong Kong)
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:31:02 -0600
From: "Thompson, Dwayne A." <dathomps_at_dml_southernco.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Insurance for Ds at AIG - no more..

I added my Delorean to my existing Allstate policy as well w/ no problems. I
have the low mileage insurance requiring it to be driven less than 7500
miles/year!

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	jwit6_at_dml_cs.com [SMTP:jwit6_at_dml_cs.com]
> Sent:	Monday, November 05, 2001 6:30 AM
> To:	dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject:	RE: [DML] Re: Insurance for Ds at AIG - no more..
> 
> I added my Delorean to my existing policy with Allstate and had no
> problems. The premium as a second car was about the same as my primary
> car,



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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 18:57:22 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Frequency Valve Voltage

Hi Eric

While trying to troubleshoot my problems last week, the frequency valve was one of the
things I looked at. Having a "spare" DeLorean next to mine made this sort of thing
beautifully simple :-)

One of the things I did was put 12v across the valve and check that it clicked. With no
voltage, there's no flow through the valve (was blowing air through it), with 12v across
the terminals, air flowed (slightly).

Therefore the signal is generated elsewhere - I would be very surprised if it doesn't run
on 12V and certainly 0.5v sounds very low - who can confirm? It sounds like you're using
the scope correctly - if you can wait for a week or two, we'll scope up the signal on
mine.

(disclaimers apply!)

All the best

Martin
#1458
www.delorean.co.uk

Eric wrote:

> Does anyone know what the VOLTAGE going to the frequency valve should
> be.
>



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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:10:14 -0600
From: "Selden, Wayne" <wayne.selden_at_dml_tenethealth.com>
Subject: RE: DeLorean Transformer!!

As I have owned my Delorean since 1989, I have quite a collection of
Delorean models. One is a small Delorean "transformer".

Wayne R. Selden



-----Original Message-----
From: delorean502_at_dml_excite.com [mailto:delorean502_at_dml_excite.com]
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 7:02 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] DeLorean Transformer!!


I'm 21 and grew up with Transformers and Deloreans.  But I never 
thought I would see this



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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 19:26:32 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: Initial starting problems!

The two areas to investigate are the cold start valve and associated 
circuitry and the lambda system to make sure it is also functioning 
correctly. Vacuum leaks can also make things worse. My bets are on the 
cold start system so check that out first. See that initialy there is 
power to the valve when cranking and cold.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Thompson, Dwayne A." <dathomps_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> I am having difficulty initially starting my "D". I turn the 
ignition and it
> starts and then it "chokes" off. I'll do that a couple more times 
before it
> starts. However, it continues to act like it wants to cut off. So I 
have to
> wait about five minutes before I can drive it w/o  jerking back and 
forth.
> But after this initial difficulty it runs fine!
> 
> Blessings,
> Dwayne (VIN 1370)




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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:11:50 -0500
From: "Michael Babb" <michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com>
Subject: Insurance Poll

Hey group!


I have added the “Insurance Poll” at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/polls (plus you have to go there to
answer the Age Poll anyways, right?)

If I am missing the insurance company that you use, please e-mail me at
Michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com <mailto:Michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com>  (Michael at
babbtechnology.com) and I will get it added to the poll and let you know.  I
want to try and make sure that we don’t leave anyone out that wants to vote
(and I am sure that EVERYONE that owns a DeLorean WANTS to vote, right???).

Thanks!

Michael C. Babb, MCSE, MCT, MCP-I, CNA, CCNA
Michael_at_dml_BabbTechnology.com
919.270.2488 (Cell)
919.303.0058 (Home)



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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 22:49:20 -0000
From: princess_val1917_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Delorean Book

I have a question and was wondering if any of you could help me. I've 
heard of this book, I think it is called "Delorean: the man and the 
myth" or something like that. I was told it was very good and 
informative. Could anyboby tell me if I have the title right and who 
the author is? I love Deloreans, and aspire to own one someday, but 
am a student low on cash :( Thanks for your help!!




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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 18:25:05 -0500
From: jugeauj_at_dml_gdls.com
Subject: Re: DMC How are the fuel injector suppose to work in this system?



Hi All,

  I'd initially wrote:
>   Then came the check for leaks around the distributor, etc.
>Mostly out of curiosity, I pulled two injectors out and ran the pump
again.
>Both injectors emitted a thin stream (not a spray) of fluid.
>Just to test the injectors themselves I went ahead and pressed down on the
>airflow sensor and got a nice spray pattern (yeah, I know the catalytic is
>probably going to love me for that).
>I was lead to believe that with the airflow sensor completely closed (as
in
>the case with the engine not running) no fuel should make it's way to the
>injectors. Is this true?

Well, I found out the reason why the injectors didn't turn off with the
airflow sensor plate completely closed.

Note: This is with the engine NOT running, hence, the airflow sensor plate
is completely closed thereby bypassing the injectors; a procedure Stephen
Wynne of DMC in Houston recommended as one of several steps involved
if/when a major "worst case" cleaning and inspecting of the fuel system is
called for.


The lever that the air flow sensor plate is connected to has essentially
two parts.
The first is connected to the plate and the second is in contact with the
fuel distributor plunger.
The height the second lever (and subsequently the plunger's position at
rest) can be adjusted with a 3mm Allen wrench the access hole for which is
located between the distributor and the opening that the airflow sensor
plate resides in.
Yep, you guessed it, that second lever was set too high.
Backing off the setscrew turned the steady stream of fluid from the
injector completely off.
Later on, with engine running, I'll have to go back in there and adjust it
properly with proper/normal engine performance in mind.

How did the lever get out of whack you may ask?
Well, the fuel distributor on this car had been replaced (or rebuilt
judging from a brown paper bag of old interior fuel distributor parts that
came with the car: gulp, let's not go there for now) by the previous owner
so that's probably how that got mal adjusted.
So, I guess that can be one of the checks to look for if and when swapping
out fuel distributors.

QUESTION:
My next related issue involves the plug that covers up the access hole for
the aforementioned 3mm Allen wrench is missing.
Whomever had simply placed a loose fitting screw with a washer connected to
it in place of that plug.
If I read it right, the parts manual lists this plug and associated opening
as tamper proof (yeah well).
I've got another DMC engine assembly and that plug is missing on it as well
and replaced with yet another ill fitting screw.
So, does removing that plug mess it up to the point of not being reusable?

Does anyone know what this plug looks like?
Judging from the hole it seems to go down straight (no threads) for a bit
and is then threaded.
Something a least needs to be there since leaving it open will allow air
directly into the intake bypassing the airflow sensor plate and leaning the
mixture, etc.

Louis





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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 17:28:03 -0600
From: "skipper landry" <sk1pper_at_dml_intersurf.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Insurance for Ds at AIG - no more..

same here! i just got her back on the road after about 8 months. i called
and got "liability only" for $400 yr. full coverage w/appraisers value =
$1092 yr. thats cheaper than my civic!


----- Original Message -----
From: <jwit6_at_dml_cs.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 5:29 AM
Subject: RE: [DML] Re: Insurance for Ds at AIG - no more..


> I added my Delorean to my existing policy with Allstate and had no
problems. 



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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 01:11:18 -0000
From: tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com
Subject: Trailing Arm Bolt Concerns

Hello List - 
I've got some information relating to trailing arm bolts that I think 
would be of interest.  First, let me give you a personal profile so 
that you know who I am.  My name is Toby Peterson, and I am, and have 
been, a Principal Structural Engineer at Boeing for almost 20 years.  
My responsibilities include the engines and engine pylons for the 
entire 747-400 fleet.  I have owned my DeLorean, VIN 2248, since 1988. 
I have developed many connections within the aerospace industry and 
some of the best aerospace manufacturers in the world.  Now ... on 
with the story - 

The trailing arm bolts (TA) have a great deal of work to do.  They 
react almost all engine torque and braking torque at the rear wheels, 
establish rear wheel alignment, and transmit all "thrust" from the 
drive wheels into the frame of the car.  They are a "critical load 
path" item with no significant redundancy.  If a bolt fails during 
certain driving scenarios, directional control could be lost, and the 
event could be non-recoverable.  The importance of the TA bolts has 
always been a concern of mine.

At a club-sponsored tech session last year, I did a complete 
inspection of the suspension components, as usual, and also re-torqued 
my TA bolts.  The drivers' side bolt took a very small torque, and 
then became free-spinning ... not a good thing.  As some other people 
went off in search of a replacement bolt, I removed both halves of the 
fractured bolt, and kept them for further inspection.  The other bolt 
was clearly bent, as well.  After the replacement, I took the bolts to 
a metallurgical lab for analysis of the fracture.  The bolt had 
cracked 80% through in slow crack growth, due to fatigue, with another 
10% in fast growth.  The drive up to the session had been "spirited", 
and resulted in the last three crack striations.  The remaining 10% 
failed during the torqueing procedure.  Scanning electron microscope 
views of the fracture surface revealed that the crack had started at 
several small corrosion pits in the area of the first thread, and 
propagated through the bolt due to fatigue from bending stresses.  The 
material tested out as alloy steel with cadmium plating, and had a 
tensile strength of 136,000 psi.  That's about right for a bolt with a 
metric rating of 10.9.  After I explained where the bolt was 
installed, and what it did, the lab technician asked me a very simple 
question ... "Why did they use such a crappy bolt for this critical 
function?"  Good question.  The alloy steel is subject to rust and 
corrosion, the plating deteriorates over time and can be damaged 
during installation or use, and the material strength is not adequate 
to prevent bending in a single shear application under high loads.  As 
mentioned in other messages, the washers are showing signs of crushing 
and wear, which will reduce the preload on the bolts.  This will 
increase the induced bending stresses during driving, resulting in 
faster fatigue damage to the bolt.

At a subsequent tech session, we looked at the TA bolts in seven cars 
by completely removing the bolts and examining them visually.  Several 
were bent, and several others were corroded and rusty.  A couple were 
quite loose, while others needed to be pounded out with a hammer.  
Only two cars had bolts in what I would call "good condition".  As I 
said earlier, I have been very concerned about this situation, and the 
apparent lack of understanding about this issue, as evidenced in other 
entries on the list.  The main issue with the TA bolts is not that 
they can cause a clunk ... the main issue is that a failed bolt can be 
catastrophic under some driving conditions.

I will post a second entry tomorrow with details about what I did to 
solve this problem for myself.  I will be asking for an idea of the 
level of interest in making my solution available to the rest of the 
DeLorean fleet.  Please consider what I have shared here, and be ready 
to give me some feedback when I share my solution with you.  'Til 
then... 






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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 21:07:02 -0500
From: "Sean Howley" <delorsche_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: ETDOC Gatlinberg gathering

Well, the ETDOC Gatlinberg even was a pretty good success.  I mean, where else can you go and see Aaron running out into the middle of the extremely busy main drag (and I am not kidding - ask Scott as his car overheated for the first time in the mess) and chase down Nathan as he was just arriving, without spilling his beverage - pretty impressive.  Also, where else could you have picked up the phrase "hey YO!" and know what I am talking about.  Anyway, we had a pretty good time there.  It's too bad there was no 'D' at the car museum, but where else could you see a 917 parked right beside the General Lee - only Tennessee (just kidding - kind-of).  Also, the pool was great except for the 500 lb 18 month pregnant alcoholic woman that showed up around 1:30 am and scared us away - but that is how you get things to talk about.

We are at the very beginning stages of our next event which will take place early next year when it starts to warm up.  The event will be centered on a very special drive.  We will be traveling on a very special section of Hwy 129 (we did this same drive in Feb of this year).  If you have not ever been on this road, it can not be explained how much you have missed.  This road has attracted motorcyclist from all over the country.  By the time you reach the end of the 11 mile stretch (I think that is the correct distance), you will have a smile from ear to ear.  The drive has the most curves for its length than any other road in the US.  If you want to test your driving skills or see how well your DeLorean really handles, this is the place to do it!  It is so early in the planning that we haven't really begun asking people about interest, however, I think that I can safely say that those that came to the first one will probably show for this one just to do it again.  Again, if you have not done this drive before, you need to do it sometime before you die, it is a necessity.  I only live a few miles from the entrance of the stretch, so if you are in the area and are interested in doing the drive (at a different time than the event we are planning), hook up with me as I am always looking for some excuse to go on that ride!  We will have more on this later, but if anyone has any questions about it or anything else, please contact myself or Aaron Posey.

Sean Howley
VIN#2345


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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 21:34:45 EST
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: NEW "DeLorean" sidestripe

Hi List,
     I see that DMC Houston is now offering a new version of the wide stripe 
kit that says "DeLOREAN" in pretty large letters on the door.  Its pretty 
80's!! check it out.  I hope santa brings me one.

http://delorean.com/ITAL_stripe.asp

David
6286-storage


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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 21:38:49 EST
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Frequency Valve Voltage

The frequency valve is very similar to a Bosch fuel injector. If thats true 
then it should be designed with either a high or low impedance winding. Low 
impedance injectors should have a winding resistance of 1.7 to 3 ohms. They 
are opened with a current spike of 2.5 to 4 amps and help open with a current 
of .75 to 2 amps. High impedance injectors are usually 10 to 16 ohms. They 
are opened and held open with a about 1 amp. I believe both run at 12V. 
Putting 12V from a car battery across the injector will open it right up, at 
a very high amperage, and cause it to overheat quickly. You can actually feel 
it heat up in your hand. I wouldn't  try this for more than 15 or 20 seconds 
at a time for crude testing purposes. A safer way to test is with a ballast 
resistor or 3 or more injectors in series.
Jim 



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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 02:42:12 -0000
From: "David Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: Re: epoxy damage from brake fluid

There's a guy here in the Chicago area who's had a frame at Redi-
strip, in the tank, for MONTHS. The epoxy is not coming off well. 
I'll doubt they'll take on another one. Be sure to call them before 
you go this route. 

Removing epoxy is nothing like removing regular paint. The only 
success I've had (in small areas) is with a propane torch. Not good 
on a large scale. And very hard-to-impossible to get inside the boxed-
in areas, and the danger is that you'll loosen epoxy inside there and 
then fail to properly recoat it. 

Dave Swingle

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., senatorpack_at_dml_c... wrote:
> 
> the Redi-Strip Company. (they advertise in Hemmings)
>     I believe that they have the ability to strip the DeLorean 
frame. It is 
> rather expensive as it is a very first class process that involves 
no heat 




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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 02:13:00 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: DeLorean mentioned in Magazine

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "ian" <ian_at_dml_n...> wrote:
<SNIP>
> I quote the last sentences ...
> 
> " He insisted on the gullwing doors which caused major engineering 
problems
> and the car was pretty horrible. It was terrible to drive. Making 
cars
> requires huge reserves of capital which he simply didn't have. I 
really
> wanted it to be a success."
<SNIP>

That's odd. I belive in the book "Dream Maker", Giugiaro was quoted 
as saying that he just looked at the DeLorean as 'just another one of 
his designs'. In fact the only thing that he did like about the 
DeLorean was the "Uniform Concept" of every car comming off the 
production line looking the same with minimal options. Other than 
that, it was said that Giugiaro didn't see anything special about the 
DeLorean at all.

I suppose if you're surrounded by Espirts, and other exotic cars, 
yeah, the DeLorean may seem like a step down. To be honest, that 
comment about "engineering problems" is kind of an insult. The only 
thing the doors needed to get the quirks out were the guide blocks. 
And DMC had plenty of capitol. Granted it just didn't manage it 
optimaly. To be fair, let's not also forget that Giugiaro is also the 
guy responsible for the Hyundai Excel. And if you really want a good 
example of a company that didn't have proper capitol to operate, take 
a look at another Giugiaro related car; Daewoo.

-Robert
vin 6585




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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 21:09:30 -0500
From: "Jack Stiefel" <jack_at_dml_sacketmansion.com>
Subject: I-95 in Georgia sighting

I have never really got into the people on here who tell where they have
seen a DeLorean locally, until the other day.

My parents bought a place in St. Simons Island Georgia and we are down there
now setting it up.  Well we were heading down I-95 South somewhere in
Georgia and low and behold a D was spotted running North.

ANyone on the list?  Also if anyone is in the St. Simons area give me a
shout maybe we could meet up.

Jack & Virginia Stiefel
1981 DeLorean Vin 3461 August 1981 Build (Ours)



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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 21:57:09 -0500
From: "Michael Babb" <michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com>
Subject: RE: Insurance Poll

OOPS!  Guess you should always read the directions!  I added Liberty Mutual
to the list of poll options and it reset the vote . . so I went ahead and
added Other under that as well.  If you have already voted, please go back
and vote again!

Thanks, and sorry for the screw up.

MICHAEL C. BABB
MICHAEL_at_dml_BABBTECHNOLOGY.COM
919.270.2488 (CELL)
919.303.0058 (HOME)

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Babb [mailto:michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com]

I have added the "Insurance Poll" at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/polls (plus you have to go there to
answer the Age Poll anyways, right?)






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