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Date: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 9:47 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. water pump leak
From: "Cameron Putsch" <putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu>

2. Re: temp gauge not responding
From: "SSE Bonneville" <sse_bonneville_at_dml_yahoo.com>

3. trailing arm bolt removal
From: "Joe Thome" <joethome_at_dml_jps.net>

4. Re: ETDOC Gatlinberg gathering
From: deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com

5. Trailing Arms & Bolts Question.
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

6. Re: whiny engine
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

7. Re: Re: Trailing Arm Bolt Concerns
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

8. Re: temp gauge not responding
From: "at88mph" <at88mph_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

9. New Magazine
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

10. You would think you actaully have a time machine..
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

11. RE: water pump leak
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

12. Photos from Fall Foliage Tour
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

13. Re: temp gauge not responding
From: Peter Lucas <lucas_at_dml_imap.maya.com>

14. Re: water pump leak
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

15. Re: New Magazine
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

16. Re: trailing arm bolt removal
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

17. Re: New Magazine
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com

18. Re: whiny engine
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

19. RE: New Magazine and vendors
From: "Palatinus, Joe" <jopalatinus_at_dml_davidson.edu>

20. Re: New Magazine
From: "Jeff" <Gr8old1_at_dml_aol.com>

21. Indulge me!
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

22. Gearboxes!
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

23. Re: New Magazine
From: pbmain_at_dml_mindspring.com

24. Ceramic dip VS plasma spray
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

25. RE: Indulge me!
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 00:33:31 +0100
From: "Cameron Putsch" <putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu>
Subject: water pump leak

Today I noticed that when I wound out the car that vapor was streaming from the back of it. Turns out that coolent was leaking from behind my fuel pump on to the muffler. I am not sure where exactly it came from as the top of the motor is a pool of coolent. I plan to replace those two little hoses under the intake. Did any of you have this sort of problem, what can I do to fix it? Could it be something other than those little hoses? Just hope I remember where everything goes. :)

Casey at putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu 


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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 05:42:55 -0000
From: "SSE Bonneville" <sse_bonneville_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: temp gauge not responding

I havent got a shop manual for a DMC yet or have the temp sensor 
infont of me but usually engine temp sensors have 2 wires. They are 
usually located in the radiator on the side passages. But then again 
this is a somewhat foreign design. The way you read the average 
american car temp sensor is with a Ohm meter, not a volt meter. The 
average reading with the car cold should be somewhere around 3-5 ohms. 
The resistance changes with the temperager. If you start the car and 
let it warm up and the resistance does not increase you could have a 
faulty temp sensor. I'm not sure about 81-83 cars but without that 
reading that might be telling the car that the engine is not warming 
up and it will dump more fuel in (to richen the mixture). When it does 
that for a long period of time it can destroy your catalatic 
converter...
However reading that your temp gauge died so fast I wouldnt think that 
it wasnt your engine temp sensor itself but rather your guage. You 
could of had a rodent in there that nawed on some wires or you lost a 
connection somewhere. If you got a wiring diagram use a meter to check 
all your connections for your eng temp sen.
I hope some of that helped,
 Sean


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> My temp gauge suddenly died this afternoon. It points straight down 
and
> doesn't quiver.



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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 22:09:35 -0800
From: "Joe Thome" <joethome_at_dml_jps.net>
Subject: trailing arm bolt removal

Hello Fellow List Members,

Great discussion on trailing arm bolts. Is there any precaution which should be followed in the removal of these bolts for inspection or replacement? Do you simply get under the car and screw these bolts out, or do you have to secure the trailing arms or other parts so that they don't suddenly spring out position and do damage to person or car?

Many thanks.

Joe Thome

VIN 6467 as of 2/12/01 



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 01:50:35 EST
From: deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: ETDOC Gatlinberg gathering

Well, I finally went to a Delorean event without incident. Nothing on my car 
broke! I guess I am getting it all sorted out, jinx, jinx, jinx. My second 
ETDOC event was another party. I don't think that I have ever been to an 
event as memorable as this one, not because of the events, but because of the 
people. These events seem to draw some of the most fun loving people I have 
ever met, I look forward to the future meetings. I missed the one last 
February and have kicked myself ever since. I will not miss it this time. I 
have driven that road before and it is a killer, I especially love the 
occasional sighting of motorcycle parts along the roadside. Aaron did an 
outstanding job arranging everything, and as usual it was all executed 
without incident. If anyone on the DML would like to attend a fun, I mean 
real fun event, come to the next one in Feb/March. You won't be 
dissappointed. Just remember they do not serve beer on the Park Vista shuttle 
bus!

John Weaver
ETDOC
RED DMC #10527


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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 10:06:51 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Trailing Arms & Bolts Question.

Ok, with all this talk about the bolts on the rear trailing arms, 
I've decided to take a look at everything. Hopefully my car hasn't 
beaten me to the punch. As I pulled out of the gas station, I heard a 
loud, hollow knocking sound. The only way I could describe the sound 
would be like if you tapped the chassis with a hammer. The car 
doesn't handle any differant, but the rear end clunk seems to have 
gotten a bit worse. Once it cools off, I'll drive the car onto ramps 
to inspect the bolts.

The back issues and the FAQ in the Technical Library give a good 
amount of info about inspection of the bolts, but are not as detailed 
as I would like about the replacement of the bolts. So, I have a 
couple of questions. When I service this area of my car, I want to be 
in and out, and not have to go back. If it helps, my car is a 5-speed.

1. Aside from the bolts, nuts, and spacers, what else should be 
replaced? ie: bushings, washers, etc...

2. What is the exact replacement procedure? I know that you're 
supposed to torque the bolts with the wieght of the car on the 
ground. But, am I supposed to lift the car to remove/install the 
bolts? It doesn't look like it, but I'm a little fuzzy about this 
area...

3. Since I'm back here anyways, what other parts of my rear 
suspension should I inspect? I understand the the bolts for the 
trailing arms are under a heavy load, but what should I be cautious 
of when inspecting the Pivot Bolts? (I can obviously tell that I 
don't want to remove these bolts by themselves unless I want to punch 
a hole in my concrete garage floor!)

-Robert
vin 6585




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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 07:29:46 EST
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: whiny engine

Arron, I have a lot of info on the web site about clutches. Clutches, throw 
out bearings and piolt bearings don't last for ever. 
http://www.specialtauto.com/drivetrain.shtml
John hervey
  



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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 08:39:38 -0500
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Re: Re: Trailing Arm Bolt Concerns

David Swingle wrote:

> Funny you should mention this. Take a look at:
>
> http://www.dmcnews.com/Techsection/rollover.html

Ouch!  This picture shows many unfortunate things for the car's owner, yet omits another
thing that is unfortunate for the rest of us.  It does not clearly show what happens to
the back wheel when a trailing arm bolt fails!  In the picture, both rear wheels appear
to be straight and normal.

For those who have never seen it, even without an accident a DeLorean with a failed
trailing arm bolt is a sickening sight.  Imagine one of the rear wheels twisted back into
the wheel well in a pigeon-toed fashion, with the stainless cutting into the tire's
tread.

Does anyone have a photo of that?


David Teitelbaum wrote:

> > Failure of this bolt has caused some cars to lose control as told
> > in this list, fortunatly it seems to happen at low speeds but I don't
> > see why it couldn't happen at highway speeds.

When cruising on a straight, flat highway there is not much stress on the bolts.  They
are most likely to fail when turning or accelerating.  In a moment that combines both
turning and accelerating, your TA bolts are especially vulnerable.  Moments like that
usually happen at lower speeds, thank goodness, as in pulling out of a driveway or
parking space.

- Mike Substelny
VIN 01280, 8 years, second set of TA bolts




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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:19:49 -0600
From: "at88mph" <at88mph_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: temp gauge not responding

Kevin,


Take a paper clip, and straighten it out, then stick it thru the opening for
the trip reset counter and gently move your temp guage a little.  This
should solve your problem.


Hope this helps,


Duke
www.geocities.com/at88mph_1999

----- Original Message -----
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
To: "Dmc /dml" <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 10:05 PM
Subject: [DML] temp gauge not responding


> My temp gauge suddenly died this afternoon. It points straight down and
> doesn't quiver.
> All my other gauges and electrical instruments seem OK.



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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 09:54:40 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: New Magazine



I held off additional comment until I actually saw the new DeLoreans
"magazine".  My issue came late because I moved recently and it was
initially sent to my old address (Postmarked October 10, then again
October 25).  The letter included from Stephen Wynne (dated September
15, almost a month before the postmark) reads "Your comments and
suggestions are welcomed, and we look forward to hearing from you."  I
don't see why Stephen would mind me sharing my comments in public (I am
good at self embarrassment).


Comments:

In this premiere issue, I would estimate that more than 50% of the page
space were advertisements for DMC Houston.  The rest of the "articles"
were more like info-mercials for DMC Houston..  

The "NEWS" section is about Ace Underhill.  Many of us old-times
remember Ace Underhill when he lived in the Phoenix area, not far from
James Espey (Employee of DMC Houston now).  The article in "DeLoreans"
talks about how Ace purchased a restored DeLorean from DMCHouston, and
had it shipped to Costa Rica!  I believe Costa Rica is also where James
now calls home.   On the next page we learn that Ace works for a on-line
gambling web site.  I believe someone else we know is also involved in
online gambling based in Costa Rica.  Sounds fishy to me. This "article"
about Ace Underhill *SEEMS* more like a shill.  

90-second tech tip on how to replace the armrest cap??  Is there anyone
out there that needs to read how to do this?  More likely to just put
the idea in our heads that we should consider replacing this warn part
on our cars..  and OH! how convenient, the source for the part is listed
right under the article.  Can anyone guess where we should buy the part
from? (and, mine just happens to be cracked..  I guess I better get on
the phone to order one!)

Then we have a one page-er on how terrible the Yahoo map service is.
Apparently Anthony does not like that Yahoo-Maps does not keep track of
road conditions and construction on the hundreds of thousands of miles
of highway in the united states.  While I can't fault the guy for taking
the opportunity to stand on his soap box (hey, I am doing it now) I
don't see what this all has to do with DeLoreans, how is this at all
related?  I do like his comment "...I'm paying absolutely nothing for
this service, and I'm getting exactly what I pay for.", Maybe I would
feel the same way about DeLoreans magazine if they were not trying to
charge the DeLorean community for a glossy pamphlet of advertisements.

The center of the magazine contains the only true and relevant "article"
in it.  Ryan McCaffrey does a good job of telling the reader about his
adventures in Belfast.  Having been there with Ryan, I compliment him on
his article and excellent writing style.  I just wonder why we did not
read about him purchasing a set of lowering springs while at the trade
show in Belfast from a vendor other than DMC Houston??  Did "Jake"
remove this part of the story? And who is Jake Elwood??  And what a
coincidence his initials are "JE" :)

We continue on to read about a nice DeLorean poster, of course you can
purchase one of these "exclusively from DeLorean Motor Company."
(Houston).  Then another 2 page infomercial with "tech tips", with a
highlighted box on "where to buy" the parts for the projects. Do I need
to even mention where you should buy from?



If I am correct (that there is something fishy going on), that would all
be OK as long as this "magazine" was not being marketed as a magazine
geared to serve the DeLorean community.  IMHO, it is nothing more than a
advertisement tool.  If you want to pay a yearly subscription for it, go
right ahead.  My real concern is the majority of the DeLorean owners (or
people considering DeLorean ownership) who are misinformed about who the
players are, and what they are capable of.  Without knowing that
"DeLoreans" is solely sponsored by a single vendor and published by that
same vendor, a reader is lead to believe that "De Lorean Motor Company"
(Houston) is the only place they can call for professional assistance
and parts for their car.  Again, this is not appropriate for a
publication that is marketed as a magazine (with a subscription fee) to
service DeLorean owners and enthusiasts.

Why is it necessary to lower the DeLorean marquee to the same level as
floor cleaners, exercise machines, and car wax that are so bad they
require a half-hour television program to sell to insomniacs.  And even
those programs have disclaimers throughout the program so the viewer
KNOWS they are just watching a long commercial, even though it is set up
to look like a legitimate talk show or informational program.

In defense of DMC Houston, the front cover of the magazine does state it
is the official magazine of "De Lorean Motor Company".  Do we expect the
average DeLorean owner to know that this company in Houston is not the
same company that built our cars? I hope so.

I have no vendetta with DMC Houston, or James.  I also have nothing to
sell myself.  I point this out, because I have nothing to gain by making
these comments.

Maybe I will change my opinion when I see an article in DeLoreans
magazine that talks about how the Zilla products improve the safety and
reliability of the DeLorean...  But who expects that to happen any time
soon??  Maybe it will now because I said something.  :)


Suggestions to DMC Houston:

Don't try and dupe the DeLorean community in to paying a subscription
for your propaganda, it will have a negative impact on your credibility.
There is a obvious conflict of interest when a vendor tries to market a
magazine to serve owners and enthusiasts.  The purpose of a business it
to make money (to serve itself, and it's investors) in a ETHICAL way.
This has always been the root of the anti-DOA crowd, frustrated with the
strong ties between DeLorean One and the DOA.  

And, while I am making a fool of myself on this soap box, Give Mr. John
Z. DeLorean his NAME and LOGO back.  He is responsible for your
livelihood, and you should not "kick him when he is down".



Were you really "looking forward" to my comments and suggestions?  :)

Marc




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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:11:16 -0500
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: You would think you actaully have a time machine..


These are from the "Wayback Machine":  http://web.archive.org/

http://web.archive.org/web/19980114231838/http://dmcnews.com/
http://web.archive.org/web/19980430153845/http://usadmc.com/
http://web.archive.org/web/19990125102258/http://www.pjgrady.com/

Enjoy!

-Hank #1619





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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:58:37 -0600
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: water pump leak

The fuel pump is mounted on the tank in the front of the car.  Do you mean
that the water pump is leaking?

Scott Mueller
DMCNEWS 002981
DOA 5031

-----Original Message-----
From: Cameron Putsch [mailto:putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 5:34 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] water pump leak


Today I noticed that when I wound out the car that vapor was streaming from
the back of it. Turns out that coolent was leaking from behind my fuel pump
on to the muffler. 



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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:07:20 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: Photos from Fall Foliage Tour

A few cool shots:

http://www.geocities.com/malevy_nj/oct28/oct28.html


Again, Thanks to the Delucas and Gradys for a excellent weekend!




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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 11:03:57 -0500
From: Peter Lucas <lucas_at_dml_imap.maya.com>
Subject: Re: temp gauge not responding

Be careful here.

I once used this technique to unstick the needle on my fuel gauge. It 
worked, but it also
got me the first little crack in my previously pristine binnacle.

--pete lucas
   vin #06703

At 4:59 AM +0000 11/7/01, David Swingle wrote:
>This is going to sound strange, but believe me it works. I hate to 
>do it in public.
>
>1 - Start the car
>
>2 - Slap the side of the binnacle next to the guage. Hard. Maybe a
>couple of times. This will unstick the needle.
>
>Not an unusual problem. I've been chasing this one for years, the only
>reasonable solution I picked up was to put a roll pin thru the face
>at the bottom of the guage range to stop the needle. I got this
>suggestion from one of the major suppliers. I haven't done it yet though.
>
>Dave
>
>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_m...> wrote:
>>  My temp gauge suddenly died this afternoon. It points straight down
>and
>  doesn't quiver.



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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 16:51:23 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: water pump leak

You will have to remove everything off the top of the engine, like the 
fuel mixture unit, the air intake manifold, water pump etc. The leaks 
come from several sources including the hoses from the water pump, and 
the "o" ring seals on the water distribution pipes. Before you do this 
talk to the Delorean parts vendor you prefer to deal with and he will 
tell you what is involved and recomend his water pump master kit which 
contains all of the gaskets, seals, "o" rings and hoses you will need. 
This is no small job and while you are in there you will want to go 
over and correct everything like old vacuum hoses, loose wireing 
connections, spark plugs, ignition wires, cap, rotor, etc. If high 
mileage a valve adjustment with new gaskets to stop any oil leaks. By 
now you should be getting the idea that this is no small job. Also be 
prepared for at least one bolt to break off. It is difficult to drill 
out and retap a steel bolt in an aluminum casting. The problem is that 
you cannot tolerate ANY coolant leaks so it must be fixed. Once you 
start looking for trouble you generally find it everywhere. You will 
wind up replacing the thermostat, all coolant hoses, maybe even the 
radiater. Of course there are shortcuts but if you don't do the entire 
job you are tempting fate as these parts, if origional, are over 20 
years old. I don't mean to scare anyone but having worked on old cars 
this is usually the way things go. If you plan too optomisticaly you 
get deeper than you expected quickly. BTW PJ Grady sells silicone 
hoses with special clamps so they won't need to be retightened since 
you can't get in there to retighten them once everyting is back 
together. He will recommend replacing the water pump too.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Cameron Putsch" <putsch.1_at_dml_o...> wrote:
> Today I noticed that when I wound out the car that vapor was 
streaming from the back of it. Turns out that coolent was leaking from 
behind my fuel pump on to the muffler. I am not sure where exactly it 
came from as the top of the motor is a pool of coolent. I plan to 
replace those two little hoses under the intake. Did any of you have 
this sort of problem, what can I do to fix it? Could it be something 
other than those little hoses? Just hope I remember where everything 
goes. :)
> 
> Casey at putsch.1_at_dml_o... 
> 
> 
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 07:46:01 +0000
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Re: New Magazine

Should be a long line of responses to this one, I'll get in line!

Conspicuously absent was reference to a very good step-by-step door panel removal by
Knut.  (Guess the pages were stuck together).




"Marc A. Levy" wrote:

> I held off additional comment until I actually saw the new DeLoreans
> "magazine".  My issue came late because I moved recently




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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 17:05:12 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: trailing arm bolt removal

These trailing arm bolts AKA pivot bolts are HIGHLY stressed. They are 
also torqued near their tensile limit. Just like highly stressed 
critical bolts in aircraft they should be considered only usable and 
torqueable ONCE. To replace of course you raise the car. The bolt is 
replaced with the weight of the car off the suspension. The only 
precaution is that when the bolts are torqued the weight of the car is 
resting on the suspension so use a jackstand under the mount by the 
rear shock to "load" the suspension. On an automatic getting the left 
bolt out requires disconnecting the trailing arm from the rear 
carrier. If the bolts are bent you might have to slice them up into 
little pieces to get them out. It is best to have this done at an 
alignment shop so the bolts won't get retorqued too many times and 
they have the expertise and equipment to do this AND set the thrust 
angle.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Joe Thome" <joethome_at_dml_j...> wrote:
> Hello Fellow List Members,
> 
> Great discussion on trailing arm bolts. Is there any precaution 
which should be followed in the removal of these bolts for inspection 
or replacement? Do you simply get under the car and screw these bolts 
out, or do you have to secure the trailing arms or other parts so that 
they don't suddenly spring out position and do damage to person or 
car?
> 
> Many thanks.
> 
> Joe Thome
> 
> VIN 6467 as of 2/12/01 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 16:30:40 -0000
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com
Subject: Re: New Magazine

And I thought I was the only one who thought this!! If they were 
sending these things out for free as ordering magazines (like other 
normal companies) then there wouldn't be any discussion. But if you 
are going to charge a yearly subscription to a magazine that only 
has DMC Houstons tips, trick, parts order think again. The other 
vendors all have the same parts along with THEIR own improved parts 
(such as Zilla products) along with their tech tips and so on. Start 
including ads for other vendors in your magazine along with some 
tips/articles from other vendors, etc. These vendors buy parts from 
you guys so it's not like your loosing money if someone goes 
somewher else for parts OR to get their car repaired there. Baaahh 
I've rambled on enough....think again about what your about to 
publish in your next and future publication. Anyone that wants to 
plunk down their hard earn cash for an ad magazine give me a 
call...I have plenty of ad magazines I have here that I get in the 
mail to sell.

Steve

P.S. Didn't DMC Houston say that they would gladly give John 
Delorean's trademark back to him if he requested it?

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_p...> wrote:
> 
> 
> I held off additional comment until I actually saw the new 
DeLoreans
> "magazine". <SNIP>
> 
> 
> Suggestions to DMC Houston:
> 
> Don't try and dupe the DeLorean community in to paying a 
subscription
> for your propaganda, it will have a negative impact on your 
credibility.
> There is a obvious conflict of interest when a vendor tries to 
market a
> magazine to serve owners and enthusiasts.  The purpose of a 
business it
> to make money (to serve itself, and it's investors) in a ETHICAL 
way.
> This has always been the root of the anti-DOA crowd, frustrated 
with the
> strong ties between DeLorean One and the DOA.  
> 
> And, while I am making a fool of myself on this soap box, Give Mr. 
John
> Z. DeLorean his NAME and LOGO back.  He is responsible for your
> livelihood, and you should not "kick him when he is down".
> 
> 
> 
> Were you really "looking forward" to my comments and 
suggestions?  :)
> 
> Marc




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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 17:13:53 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: whiny engine

A couple of things to check before you go looking at the clutch. Make 
sure the trans has the correct amount and type of oil. Check the idler 
bearings for the a/c belt. These are simple to do but it does sound 
like the throwout bearing and or the pilot bearing. If you go in there 
you will be replacing everything anyway so it doesn't matter exactly 
what's wrong. These seem to go bad soon after driving through deep 
water or after taking the car out of a long period of storage. Noise 
when depressing the clutch is a throwout bearing, noise when not 
depressing the clutch is transmission. (Generally).
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., aaron_t_graham_at_dml_y... wrote:
> I've noticed over the past couple months that my engine has had a
> slight grinding whine to it.  I didn't know if it had always been 
that
> way and I had just never noticed it before.  I believe it's getting
> louder.
> 
> The pitch of the whine depends on the RPM's of the engine, and it 
gets
> higher as the RPM's go up.  It's hardly noticeable while I'm driving
> on the road, but when I put the clutch pedal to the floor to slow
> down, it's suddenly very noticeable as the engine revs down.
> Also, the transmission will squeak occasionally while I'm 
accelerating
> in 2nd or 3rd gear.  Does this mean some clutch replacement parts 
are
> in order?
> 
> I've been at work about 12 hours a day lately, so I haven't had time
> to look at it.  I thought I might throw the problem out there for
> suggestions before diving into it myself.Aaron
> #1506




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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:18:45 -0500
From: "Palatinus, Joe" <jopalatinus_at_dml_davidson.edu>
Subject: RE: New Magazine and vendors

I have always believed that variety is a good thing, and that a lot is
better than a little.  If getting the magazine is not your thing, than do
not get it!  But there is no reason to make any bashing comments about a
magzine which has not gone through a second issue.  Many people I know
complain that Delorean world is lacking, and houston thought they could fill
the niche. 
 
As a delorean owner I order parts from all vendors, because I believe that
competition is a good thing and I would not want anyone who is trying to
improve the quality of ours cars to fail.  All delorean owners who have
limited funds will find the best value for parts by paying attention to this
list, and knowing that some smaller third parties have certain parts cheaper
than Houston.  However some parts only Houston has.  It is important for us
owners who have limited funds (like myself)  to shop around for parts and
not simply order whatever Houston or grady has on their brochure, and just
because Houston is putting out a new magazine, we will not buy more from
them because we seek value.  
It is nice to have many vendors and more than one magazine for are special
toys.  IT IS A GOOD THING so don't bash it.  

Joe Palatinus
VIN 6808 17167


> ----------
> From: 	Marc A. Levy
> Reply To: 	dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 	Wednesday, November 7, 2001 9:54 AM
> To: 	DMC News (E-mail)
> Subject: 	[DML] New Magazine
> 
> 
> 
> I held off additional comment until I actually saw the new DeLoreans
> "magazine".  



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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 19:11:51 -0000
From: "Jeff" <Gr8old1_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: New Magazine

While I do agree that the number of advertisements in the new "'zine" 
are excessive, we must take into account that this is the first 
issue. Perhaps had we been solicited for more "stories", it would 
have become a much more interesting read. But this is what it's all 
about.

If anyone here is upset with the content of the magazine, please, by 
all means, contribute! I too, found that Ryan's story was the best 
part. Remember that he is in school (if memory serves me correctly) 
to be a professional writer. I think this magazine has potential. it 
just takes time.

I would be more than willing to submit an article or two once i get 
my D. particularly a fresh experience on obtaining one, and all the 
hoops i had to jump through. So i encourage everyone here to share 
your stories and submit them to the magazine. Don't lay the blame on 
strictly on DMC. Everything takes time to develop. give it a year, 
i'm sure we'll see some big changes.

Jeff Chabotte
Norwich, CT
Future D owner. (right, Aaron?!)




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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 10:52:34 +0000
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Indulge me!

I really don't mean to step on anyone's toes but the DeLorean is a
"marque" not a "marquee."  A marquee is many things, it can be a canopy
over the doorway to a restaurant, it can be the playbill in lights over
a movie theater, it can be the portion above the parapet, in the
building trades, but one thing it definitely is not is a designation for
a unique (usually foreign) car.  I'd guess it's a foreign version of our
"Mark."

One other tiny thing, hardly worth mentioning, the new magazine is
called deloreans.   And yet another tiny little thing (Marc) guilty
until proven innocent is not reasonable.




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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 19:29:07 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Gearboxes!

Hi All,

I just had a VERY interesting chat with a gentleman who's big in the
classic Renault world over here. His number was given to me during my
search for a new end casing for my D's box.

He does a lot of work with these boxes, has a huge stash of parts
(offered me an entire box for 150) and CAN WORK WITH INTERCHANGING
RATIOS.

If you'd like your D to move a bit quicker off the line, he can drop the
final drive ratio (as per the Euro spec cars) and make the ratios closer
etc etc. Whatever you want basically, and all done by mix-and-matching
parts from the different incarnations of the same box.

I did check he could modify the transaxle for the rear-mounting and
there's no problem at all.

He also told me these boxes can take anything up to 450bhp with no ill
effects.

There's nothing wrong with my box except for this hole in the case, and
it needed a new nut on the shaft (12 from Renault)

Seeya

Martin
#1458
www.delorean.co.uk




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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 19:49:15 -0000
From: pbmain_at_dml_mindspring.com
Subject: Re: New Magazine

Thanks for the rundown...that's somewhat what I was expecting, so I 
invested some $$ into parts instead of the subscription for the time 
being...

It's nice having publications like this being produced today, but 
what I don't understand is why they're so overproduced for the 
information they contain?  If the magazines had a ton of tech info in 
there and all kinds of ads from different folks, that would be 
worthwhile.  The national DMC club magazine seemed more like this, 
but I didn't get much out of it, other than the ads for the same 
alternator, lock solenoid, and door struts replacements from various 
sellers.  

I say this not from the DMC club perspective since I am unaware of 
who puts together what, but part of the problem with club 
publications is that whoever is putting them together, usually a 
longtime member, is more focused on the club and putting the cars in 
these unique photo locations.  You'll read all these stories about 
past events, with pictures of the cars all lined up on the side of a 
mountain, or some upcoming event, but meanwhile there's a ton of us 
out here all wrenching away trying to get the cars ready to even get 
to these events with 1001 car related questions, but instead we're 
getting sent a monthly car club travel log!

If someone really wants to come up with something to market, produce 
a "Delorean Owners Companion" book, featuring all the *key* 
information from the different books, data sources, tips, etc.  The 
BMW club put out a book of general tips, even across such a wide 
range of cars, and it's very helpful.  It contains repair tips and 
some model-specific repair information.  No glitzy color photos on 
expensive glossy paper, just an oversized book in black and white.  
Delorean could have the basics on maintenance, suspension upgrade 
tips, trailing arm inspection/repair, electrical fixes, radio 
replacements, proper car detailing, reccomended fluids, 'trick' 
fixes, rebuild estimates/pricing when major repairs are required, on 
and on..

Sure, people can go look through their owners manual once they pay 
$30+ for one, then find some other data in the service manual once 
they shell out $60, then find some bulletin about recall updates in 
another $35 manual and spend hours doing lousy digest searches that 
return 15,000 messages when searching for the original rear speaker 
sizing or the best technique for cleaning the stainless, etc.  I'm 
not saying this should be a replacement for these other valuable 
books, but I have all these books but still don't have anything that 
shows me the proper "technique" for getting scuffmarks off the 
stainless steel, for instance.  I'd rather not take a scotchbrite pad 
and start sanding away with the grain to "see what happens".  The 
owners FAQ that's out there is very helpful to get going, but 
something in between that and these factory manuals would be 
excellent. 

For a single car model that has such a strong following, clubs, 
magazines, etc...I'd rather buy a book and use it as a general repair 
reference, THEN hunt down the latest information and products through 
literature from the DMCHoustons, PJGradys, SpecialTAuto, DMCJoe, and 
the web in general... rather than subscribe to some overpriced 
magazine for years hoping they decide to run an article on how to 
check trailing arm bolts or repair a fuel sender.  At least now when 
the daily repeated question comes up, we can say "buy this book - 
it'll explain a lot", and people won't be having the same questions 
over and over again on the net...

Just an idea...maybe a team of dedicated owners could even come 
together and put together such a book.  Think about all that you know 
now after owning the car compared to when you were new to all the 
technical information, and how much time you could have saved with 
the proper resource to begin with...
Pete





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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:30:10 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: Ceramic dip VS plasma spray

I am looking in to having my exhaust parts ceramic coated, and have
found 2 different methods that are not at all similar.  Maybe someone on
the DML can advise.


The more common method is to dip the part in to a tank.  I am told the
advantage of this is that both the inside and outside of the part are
coated, keeping the outside of the pipe even cooler and the exhaust
gasses inside hotter (to escape faster).  BUT, advocates of the plasma
spray argue that the dip is not as durable as the spray.  This is a
problem for me, because I would not want a chunk of this ceramic stuff
to find it's way in to my turbocharger.

The plasma spray is said to be more durable, and allows for better
thermal expansion (because of some hokey stuff in the process that I
don't understand).   The spray however does not allow for internal
coating, and they claim it is unnecessary.  The plasma process looks to
be a bit more expensive (why, I have no idea!).



Any experts out there on this subject?



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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:48:32 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: RE: Indulge me!

I am not the best speller in the world, and my grammar may even be worse
at times.  Any errors of like words in any of my post's are due to the
spellchecker trying to correct my terrible distortion of the English
language in written form!

I'm not sure what that second paragraph is all about, so I have no
comment on it.


-----Original Message-----
From: Les Huckins [mailto:jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 5:53 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Indulge me!


I really don't mean to step on anyone's toes but the DeLorean is a
"marque" not a "marquee."  A marquee is many things, it can be a canopy
over the doorway to a restaurant, it can be the playbill in lights over
a movie theater, it can be the portion above the parapet, in the
building trades, but one thing it definitely is not is a designation for
a unique (usually foreign) car.  I'd guess it's a foreign version of our
"Mark."

One other tiny thing, hardly worth mentioning, the new magazine is
called deloreans.   And yet another tiny little thing (Marc) guilty
until proven innocent is not reasonable.




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