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Date: Saturday, November 10, 2001 3:28 AM

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There are 22 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: What other cars used the PRV-V6
From: wingd2_at_dml_aol.com

2. Re: DML] Re: trailing arm bolt removal
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

3. Auto antenna problems...
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com

4. New Mag, About my article...
From: aceu_at_dml_brilliantscreen.com

5. DeLorean website now online !
From: orentha_at_dml_hotmail.com

6. Re:New Manuals - was New Magazine
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

7. Re: DeLorean mentioned in Magazine
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

8. Re: More photos of Sunstar's BTTF DeLorean
From: delorean502_at_dml_excite.com

9. mailing address
From: "Cameron Putsch" <putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu>

10. RE: What other cars used the PRV-V6
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

11. DeLorean distant cousin? Very distant!
From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>

12. Re: Sleeving Brake Master
From: "David Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

13. Re: More photos of Sunstar's BTTF DeLorean
From: stephen_at_dml_bttf.com

14. RE: New Mag, About my article...
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

15. deloreans magazine
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

16. Re: Auto antenna problems...
From: theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com

17. Re: Sleeving Brake Master
From: pbmain_at_dml_mindspring.com

18. RE: What other cars used the PRV-V6
From: jugeauj_at_dml_gdls.com

19. Trailing Arm Bolts - Engineering
From: tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com

20. Re: More photos of Sunstar's BTTF DeLorean
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com

21. Sunstar Models...finally!
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

22. Mid-State Web Site is up
From: Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 00:23:15 EST
From: wingd2_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: What other cars used the PRV-V6

In a message dated 11/8/01 8:12:08 PM Central Standard Time, 
malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com writes:

> The block itself is the same on most if not all of the engines listed.
> 
> 
   Marc,
  The blocks from all the different versions of the PRV engine are NOT the 
same. The castings and bosses and bracket locations on the exterior of the 
block where different "attachments" bolt on vary from make to make. Also the 
pistons and their matching "wet" sleeves are matched to each block and cannot 
be interchanged from make to make. You cannot take the sleeves and pistons 
from a 3.0 liter engine and install them into a 2.8 liter block, or vis 
versa. Same with the 2.5 liter - 2.7 liter and other variations. Matter of 
fact, I'm ammazed at how many parts will not interchange from one motor to 
another within the PRV "family". 
     If you deciede to "swap" another PRV engine into your car, you had 
better plan on useing most of the parts from the "swaped" engine. Of course 
it's the same as anything else. If you want to spend enough time and money, 
you can make just about anything work.
    
    Marty


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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 02:16:26 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: DML] Re: trailing arm bolt removal

> On replacing the left bolt on
> automatics it is not necessary to disconnect the brake line, just the
> trailing arm from the carrier, there is enough slack and you can bend
> the line a little to get the bolt out. Of course if the fluid needs to
> be flushed out it would be a good time to do it.
> David Teitelbaum

Yikes!  I thought of doing it that way, but I didn't want to fatigue the
metal lines.  Since then, flushing the system made the master cylinder leak,
and now my car is up on jack stands while I slowly rebuild the brake system.

Walt    Tampa, FL





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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 02:47:17 EST
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com
Subject: Auto antenna problems...

I know old automatic car antennas have a tendency to not go
up and down properly all the time, but what is the usual problem
causing this?  I've only had mine working one day for the first
time since I've owned the car (just got the radio replaced yesterday)
and I'm already having problems with it not "descending" all the
way down.  A couple of the sections seem to not want to collapse
and go down.  So what is probably my problem?

As always, thank you in advance for the helpful replies,

Richard




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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 07:57:28 -0000
From: aceu_at_dml_brilliantscreen.com
Subject: New Mag, About my article...

Hello all,
I would just like to clear up an accusation.  Somebody has accused me 
of being a "shill" because I was mentioned in the first issue of 
deloreans magazine, and they thought something was fishy about it.

The truth is, I DID purchase a fully refurbished '81 from USADMC, 
(with the modified engine :-), and I DID bring it to Costa Rica, 
where I use it as a daily driver.  I thought the article would be 
good because it would let people know that these cars are all over 
the world, and are still quite usable even on the terrible Central 
American roads.

I have never, and probably will never, receive any sort 
of "compensation" for spreading the word of my good experiences with 
USADMC, Stephen, and his staff.  BTW, I HAVE purchased from other 
vendors in the past, (with varying levels of courtesy from each) but 
just choose to bring my business to USADMC because I like them the 
most.

As for the magazine, keep in mind it was the first issue.  Also, if 
you would like to see more content, then try submitting some.  Good 
writing does not come easy (hats off to Ryan) and perhaps USADMC 
would be willing to pay for good submitted articles? Either in cash 
or goodies?
And besides, it's only like $36 a year.  Geez, I spend more on trash 
bags.

      -Ace Underhill-
Brilliant Screen Entertainment





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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 08:05:55 -0000
From: orentha_at_dml_hotmail.com
Subject: DeLorean website now online !

I have created a new DeLorean website, and would like people to check 
it out: (<A href="http://www.delorean.info">DeLorean.Info</A>)
A quick rundown of what's on the site; a picture gallery, a links 
page, a technical database devoted to repair procedures, and more...
I would appreciate any feedback people have about the site.
Thanks for looking.
take care.
Jim
vin#15314




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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 03:53:09 EST
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re:New Manuals - was New Magazine

In a message dated 11/7/01 4:42:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
pbmain_at_dml_mindspring.com writes:

> I'd rather buy a book and use it as a general repair 
> reference, THEN hunt down the latest information and products through 
> literature from the DMCHoustons, PJGradys, SpecialTAuto, DMCJoe, and 
> the web in general... rather than subscribe to some overpriced 
> magazine for years hoping they decide to run an article on how to 
> check trailing arm bolts or repair a fuel sender.  At least now when 
> the daily repeated question comes up, we can say "buy this book - 
> it'll explain a lot", and people won't be having the same questions 
> over and over again on the net...
> 
> Just an idea...maybe a team of dedicated owners could even come 
> together and put together such a book.  

Hi Pete-
I agree totally. In fact, that's a project I've been working on. I've got a 
stacks of original manuals and related materials for reference. Even set up a 
yahoo groups (DMCTech) as a clearinghouse for info.  What I haven't had a lot 
of is time.  This week I'm averaging 2 -3 hours sleep a night. Doesn't leave 
much time for my hobby. All the vendors but one have been generally 
supportive. If anyone would like to give me a hand with this, I do have work 
that needs to be done that others could begin.  Another holdup- at Marc 
Levy's suggestion, I'm trying to put as much as possible in Adobe format, but 
I have yet to master it.  I'm also not terribly satisfied with my results 
from scanninng in material. * * Sigh. * But I'm very persistent. Anybody out 
there with some time to help me get this rolling?

Wayne A. Ernst
DMCTech Group
vin 11174 



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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 10:10:26 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: DeLorean mentioned in Magazine

The point to the posting is that there is no reason to always slam 
the DeLorean. Yes there were door problems, but they were 
pretty much cured with the guide blocks. Yeah you can't lock the 
doors and then close them. But they were not designed to 
operate that way anyhow. The purpose of engineering is to 
overcome problems. The task of engineering can become more 
difficult once you start implementing new concepts such as the 
doors (yes I know that gullwing doors were not a new idea when 
the DeLorean first arrived. But lets be honest. The DMC-12 was 
the first practicle use of them).

But as far as problems go, what car doesn't have them? No car 
is 100% perfect. But atleast no one has been killed in a 
DeLorean because an engine suddenly stopped on the 
highway, or because the fuel tank exploded because they were 
rear-ended while their left turn signal was on. Combine this with 
the fact that the DeLorean is now 18-20 years old and have been 
subjected to wear and tear. I'd say that even today the DeLorean 
still comes out on top.

The examples given of other Giugiaro related cars was to show 
that there are plenty of  examples that both engineering and 
financially worse than the DeLorean. Yet he doesn't bother to 
mention them. The Hyundai Excell is a overall a very poor car in 
both handling, and performance. And when Daewoo was on the 
brink of bankruptcy, the top execs lied to the Korean government 
in order to obtain loans that they knew they would never be able 
to pay back. 11 convictions have proven this. That is an example 
of a failed company who exhausted all funds NOT DMC!

If you really want to get to the root of the problems with the 
DeLorean, take a look at Lotus. They designed the suspension, 
they designed the weak front crumple tubes, and they were the 
ones who chose what grade bolts to use for the Trailing Arms 
and the other pivot bolts.

My main point here was to help stop the bashing of the 
DeLorean "marque". Not to entice the slander of anyone, or 
anything else. If anythng, it was in defence of the car and the 
man.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_j...> 
wrote:
> Whatever.
> 
> What's with the giugiaro bashing?  The Delorean HAS 
ENGINEERING PROBLEMS.
>  The door included.  The guides, the lineup with the other 
panels, the
> inherently sagging shocks, and the weak lower strut mount are 
a few
> examples.  
> 
> Isn't giugiaro a DESIGNER?  How could he be 'responsible' for 
the
> engineering of the excel, or daewoo or whatever else?
> 
> 1537




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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 15:48:23 -0000
From: delorean502_at_dml_excite.com
Subject: Re: More photos of Sunstar's BTTF DeLorean

Does anyone know where these can be pre-ordered?

Erik

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., stephen_at_dml_b... wrote:
> Sunstar has just posted detailed photos of their upcoming BTTF 
> DeLorean 1:18 scale diecast coming in December:
> 
> http://www.sunstartoys.com/back%20to%20future/DeLorean_back%20to%
> 20future.htm
> 
> -- Stephen _at_dml_ BTTF.com




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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:31:33 +0100
From: "Cameron Putsch" <putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu>
Subject: mailing address

Well, I still have this letter that I'd like to send to JZD on my desk. I would like to get JZD's mailing address so I could send it to him. I am not asking anything from him, nor do I have anything negative to say. I have his daughter's address in California and thought about haveing her forward it to him, but would rather not bother her. Also, I would rather not bother everyone on the list with my request. Will someone please give me his mailing address I will not give it to another soul!

Please help me out, Casey


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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:55:46 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: RE: What other cars used the PRV-V6

Theoreticly, you could find a Eagle motor in a junk yard (I see them all
the time for about $300 complete).  All you would need to do is swap the
cradle in from the DeLorean engine, and it should bolt right up...

You will also be getting a more modern fuel injection system, and
ignition system.  Good for a extra 20 ponies.


-----Original Message-----
From: jugeauj_at_dml_gdls.com [mailto:jugeauj_at_dml_gdls.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 10:09 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Cc: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DML] What other cars used the PRV-V6

<SNIP>
So, that said, I'm entertaining the idea of simply finding an engine
that
"easily" bolts into a DMC-2 for now and wait until I can work on the
original engine.
<SNIP>



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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 03:39:10 -0500
From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: DeLorean distant cousin? Very distant!

[Moderator Note - yes it's WAY off topic. Slow day I guess ;-)]

Ok, this may have little to do with DeLoreans, but who cares! This thing is cool and I thought I'd bring it to everyone's attention. 

http://www.landshark.co.uk/

The one similarity it does have with the DeLorean is that it looks like Lotus is engineering the product just like they did for the DeLorean. So in fact, it does have a small tie to our cars... a very distant cousin maybe?

---Dan

PS- On another note: Does anyone know where I can send a brake master cylinder to be sleeved in stainless? Thanks!



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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 20:06:17 -0000
From: "David Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: Re: Sleeving Brake Master

I looked into this once - I believe I found something in Hemmings 
(White Post restorations??) Cost WAAAY more than a new one. This is 
generally a good process if you can't get originals any more. Luckily 
we aren't there yet. 

Dave

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> PS- On another note: Does anyone know where I can send a brake 
master cylinder to be sleeved in stainless? Thanks!




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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 19:57:56 -0000
From: stephen_at_dml_bttf.com
Subject: Re: More photos of Sunstar's BTTF DeLorean

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., delorean502_at_dml_e... wrote:
> Does anyone know where these can be pre-ordered?
> 
> Erik

We (BTTF.com) will be taking pre-orders very soon.  Check 
http://www.bttf.com/catalog/ for details in about a week.

-- Stephen _at_dml_ BTTF.com





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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:16:07 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: RE: New Mag, About my article...

Ace,

Shill may have not been the correct term.  I selected that word because
of the exchange a while back when James accused one of the other list
members of being a shill for PJGrady.  I think James said "At last, I'm
not the only shill on the DML".  I guess I wanted to stick with the same
theme :)

While most of the time a Shill does refer to someone who is compensated
for their "support", Merriam-Webster defines it as: to act as a
spokesperson or promoter.  I have also have seen it defined as: One who
poses as a satisfied customer.

I can agree that the term may have been misused because I honestly
believe that you are a satisfied customer.  So, I do apologize if it
caused you any discomfort.

As I look over the article again now (I keep re-reading it to make sure
I am not the crazy one here!), There is very little content about you or
the interesting aspects and problems with importing and owning a
DeLorean in Costa Rica.  The bulk of the article is about how wonderful
the car is, so my claim is still that the goal of this article was to
act as a "info-mercial" for Houston.

Again, I hope that my comments did not cause you any harm..  

Marc


-----Original Message-----
From: aceu_at_dml_brilliantscreen.com [mailto:aceu_at_dml_brilliantscreen.com]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 2:57 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] New Mag, About my article...


Hello all,
I would just like to clear up an accusation.  Somebody has accused me 
of being a "shill" because I was mentioned in the first issue of 
deloreans magazine, and they thought something was fishy about it.

The truth is, I DID purchase a fully refurbished '81 from USADMC, 
(with the modified engine :-), and I DID bring it to Costa Rica, 
where I use it as a daily driver.  I thought the article would be 
good because it would let people know that these cars are all over 
the world, and are still quite usable even on the terrible Central 
American roads.

I have never, and probably will never, receive any sort 
of "compensation" for spreading the word of my good experiences with 
USADMC, Stephen, and his staff.  BTW, I HAVE purchased from other 
vendors in the past, (with varying levels of courtesy from each) but 
just choose to bring my business to USADMC because I like them the 
most.

<SNIP>



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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:18:30 +0000
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: deloreans magazine

What I need to see in the new magazine is the only thing I would miss
from the World magazine, ads from the vendors.  Especially all the great
stuff from PJ Grady (I don't think I need worry about Houston), how
would you know they have these great sets of SS screws with philips
heads to replace the rusty pozi jobs?  The pedal pads?  All those items
not regularly listed.  I read about fuel hoses, pickup hoses, inserting
coils to keep them from collapsing and I read that PJ Grady has orange
hoses that don't collapse.  I need to know that.  Then there is the
trailing arm bolt discussion, I'm of the opinion that Grady has a
better-than-stock bolt, it looks like John Hervey does too.  I need to
know that.  I know that John has a better than stock pivot bolt.

Now, as to the bolts, a total of three are involved, 2 trailing arm and
1 pivot (stick shift).  Why would it not be reasonable to replace the 3
bolts rather than agonize and worry whether your D would survive with
the originals.  Are they bent, are they rusty, are they loose.  They are
considered inferior in design, replace them and go on with life.

Not so?




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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 22:17:45 -0000
From: theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Auto antenna problems...

Turn on the radio, get out of the car, & spray the mast with liberal
amounts of WD-40, wipe it off, & spray it again.  Turn the radio
off, & it should go all the way down.  This worked for me & I
haven't had any problems since.

John Yeoman

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., RJRavalli_at_dml_A... wrote:
> I know old automatic car antennas have a tendency to not go
> up and down properly all the time, but what is the usual problem
> causing this?  I've only had mine working one day for the first
> time since I've owned the car (just got the radio replaced
yesterday)
> and I'm already having problems with it not "descending" all the
> way down.  A couple of the sections seem to not want to collapse
> and go down.  So what is probably my problem?
> 
> As always, thank you in advance for the helpful replies,
> 
> Richard





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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 22:20:19 -0000
From: pbmain_at_dml_mindspring.com
Subject: Re: Sleeving Brake Master

I did the same thing with Whitepost - just sent in a request for a 
quote to see what the pricing would be if I decided to go that route 
someday... I was quite shocked at the price - I've had them rebuild 
stuff for a '73 Lotus and a '60 Alfa Spider very economically... I'd 
be curious why the price is so high for the Delorean work...

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "David Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_e...> wrote:
> I looked into this once - I believe I found something in Hemmings 
> (White Post restorations??) Cost WAAAY more than a new one. This is 
> generally a good process if you can't get originals any more. 
Luckily 
> we aren't there yet. 
> 
> Dave
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> > PS- On another note: Does anyone know where I can send a brake 
> master cylinder to be sleeved in stainless? Thanks!




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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 18:41:50 -0500
From: jugeauj_at_dml_gdls.com
Subject: RE: What other cars used the PRV-V6


Hey!
Thanks Mark.
Would you know offhand if there would be any problems associated with
spinning/cranking an Eagle version backwards?

Louis

=======================================

"Marc A.Levy
Subject:     RE: [DML] What other cars
used the PRV-V6

Theoreticly, you could find a Eagle motor in a junk yard (I see them all
the time for about $300 complete).  All you would need to do is swap the
cradle in from the DeLorean engine, and it should bolt right up...

You will also be getting a more modern fuel injection system, and
ignition system.  Good for a extra 20 ponies.





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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:28:32 -0000
From: tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com
Subject: Trailing Arm Bolts - Engineering

Hello List - This is Toby Peterson ... checking in.

I thought that I'd take a little time and give you some addtional 
background behind the engineering considerations that go into 
resolving issues like the trailing arm bolts (TAB).  I will try to be 
as brief as possible, and will also try to make it "value added" for 
everyone's learning.  The following terms need to be defined because I 
will use them a little later:  "Ftu" = allowable ultimate tensile 
stress;  "Fty" = allowable tensile stress at which the material starts 
to yield in tension;  "Fcy" = allowable compressive stress at which 
the material starts to yield in compression;  1,000 PSI = 1 KSI 
(reduces the number of zeros in an equation).  "Yielding" means that 
the material is beginning to deform and deflect under load.  When a 
material is stressed beyond the allowable yield values, it takes a 
permanent "set".  If it's a bolt, the bolt becomes bent.  If it's 
stressed beyond the ultimate tensile values, it breaks or ruptures.  
Okay, are you still with me?  I think that this is important when 
discussing the various options, as well as the ultimate solution.

The original TAB are made from 4130 steel (probably), with Ftu = 125 
KSI - 145 KSI.  My fractured bolt checked out at 136 KSI using the 
Rockwell hardness method.  For this strength range, Fty = 103 KSI, and 
Fcy = 113 KSI.  This material is also highly susceptible to corrosion, 
so it must be cadmium plated for protection.  The downside to cadmium 
plating is that it can be damaged by wear, and installation, and it's 
protection becomes compromised.  It's also sacrificial, which means 
that it dissipates over time.

The critical loading condition for the DeLorean TAB is bending.  We 
have a long, slender bolt in a single-shear joint.  We don't have 
significant tension loads applied during any driving scenarios, so the 
Ftu values don't really mean much.  The important numbers are Fty and 
Fcy, which define how resistant the bolts will be to bending stresses. 
We have all either seen or read about bent TAB's.  However, there are 
many people who have never experienced this problem (yet).  That means 
that the applied bending loads in our application are hovering in the 
range of the capabilities of the stock TAB.  Aggressive drivers have a 
very real concern that they will overload their TAB's, while the 
'Sunday drivers' may never exceed the capabilities of their TAB's.  
The way this bending phenomenon works is that the bending loads 
increase until the material in the bolt either meets the Fty or Fcy 
values.  Then, the bolt begins to yield in whichever manner is 
critical for the material.  This increases the other stress 
dramatically, which causes the bolt to yield in both ways ... it will 
crush on the compression side, and stretch on the tension side.  If 
you exceed the maximum allowables, the bolt will be permanently bent.  
The highest stresses will almost always be in the first few threads 
after the bolt shank.  If there are any corrosion pits or other damage 
such as galling of the threads due to installation of the nut, a crack 
may start at that point of maximum stress, and propagate through the 
thickness of the bolt.  Crack growth may be slow at first, because 
most of the bolt is still intact.  But, as the crack spreads, the 
stresses go up, and the crack speeds up.  It will eventually fail, 
just like mine did.

I have received a suggestion to use type 316 CRES for an alternate 
bolt material.  The numbers for 1/2 hard 316 are as follows:  Ftu = 
141 KSI; Fty = 93 KSI; and Fcy = 61 KSI.  As you can see, for a given 
applied load, the value for Fcy is about 46% lower.  At a strength 
range of "full hard", it's still only Fcy = 83 KSI.  Not necessarily a 
good solution if bending is our primary concern.  I will say that 316 
is very good for corrosion resistance, but ...

Is everybody still awake?  Okay, now for a glimpse of what I decided 
to do.  I selected the very best material that money could buy.  It's 
called Inconel 718.  This is a nickle-based super-alloy with the 
following numbers:  Ftu = 220 KSI; Fty = 200 KSI; and Fcy = 200 KSI.  
Inconel 718 also has a very high fracture toughness, which means that 
it is very difficult to initiate and propagate a crack.  It's 
virtually corrosion proof, non-magnetic, and is used in the aerospace 
industry whenever a failure is absolutely not acceptable (engine 
mounts, landing gear, and wing attachments, to name a few).  I have 
developed a business relationship with the Vice President of Product 
Development at a world-class manufacturer of specialty fasteners for 
the aerospace industry.  This company is headquartered in Torrance, 
California, and supplies fasteners to Boeing, NASA, Airbus, and many 
others.  I selected a high-performance nut made from another 
super-alloy called A286, with an Ftu = 180 KSI.  The washers are made 
from hardened steel with a zinc dichromate finish.

I obtained a small number of bolts from this company, and have 
installed them on seven cars in our club.  The fit is perfect.  Due to 
the length of this post, stay tuned for what we need to do next to 
make these bolts available to concerned DeLorean owners everywhere.  




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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:49:53 -0000
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com
Subject: Re: More photos of Sunstar's BTTF DeLorean

Go to http://www.diecastmuscle.com/ and click on the Delorean link 
to the left. You'll see three links to the Delorean model: Gold 
Delorean, Regular Delorean and the BTTF Delorean. They take pre-
orders (I pre-ordered my regular Delorean).

Steve

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., delorean502_at_dml_e... wrote:
> Does anyone know where these can be pre-ordered?
> 
> Erik
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., stephen_at_dml_b... wrote:
> > Sunstar has just posted detailed photos of their upcoming BTTF 
> > DeLorean 1:18 scale diecast coming in December:
> > 
> > http://www.sunstartoys.com/back%20to%20future/DeLorean_back%20to%
> > 20future.htm
> > 
> > -- Stephen _at_dml_ BTTF.com




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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 19:56:24 -0600
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Sunstar Models...finally!

Orders placed through DeLorean Motor Company for the Sunstar models began
shipping on Tuesday, and more than 250 have been shipped so far. We received
167 cases of models (6 per case) via Yellow Freight on Friday, so all
shipments should be made by the middle of next week.

Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas 

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com 




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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 19:28:21 -0700
From: Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org>
Subject: Mid-State Web Site is up

I just wanted to let everyone know that the Mid-State DeLorean Club's Web
Site is back up and running. It was down for a couple of weeks while my
wife and I moved from Illinois to Utah, taking the server with us.

http://www.midstatedmc.com/

Thanks!

Mark Noeltner
VIN 6820



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