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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 791
Date: Monday, November 19, 2001 3:00 AM

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There are 22 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: M9 1.00 bolt?????????
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

2. Re: Brake Booster
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

3. Re: Bent
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

4. Re: New Owner Question/Tank cleaning
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

5. DeLorean Car Show in Memphis
From: scott-c-arnold_at_dml_home.com

6. Power Steering!
From: delorean <delorean_at_dml_online.no>

7. Re: Fuel Injector Question
From: "Eric" <ericp_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>

8. Re: Sun Star
From: "Eric" <ericp_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>

9. TA Bolts...an end?
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

10. Re: TA Bolt questions
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

11. New Web-page! Sunstar model door fixes and more!
From: "Jeff" <Gr8old1_at_dml_aol.com>

12. DeLorean Car Show Registration
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

13. If it's not broke, don't break it...
From: pbmain_at_dml_mindspring.com

14. Re: Removing dome light...
From: theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com

15. Re: watch
From: theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com

16. Re: New Owner Question/Tank cleaning
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com

17. Re: Brake Booster
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

18. Sunstar model questions & remarks
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

19. RE: Power Steering!
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

20. RE: Re: TA Bolt questions
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

21. DeLorean for Sale
From: "Matthew P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>

22. Re: Comments & Suggestions from Marc re: deloreans magazine
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>





Message: 1
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 06:01:10 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: M9 1.00 bolt?????????

My advice to you is to get a thread insert like a Heli-coil or similar 
and try to stay standard. Any large machinist supply or power 
transmission dealer can help with the insert, drills, taps, and bolt 
you will need. If you can't find it localy the Delorean venders can 
help.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> hey guys,
> 
> remember when i broke that bolt for my air induction manifold this 
week?  
> well today i had my friend's dad help me - he has a tap and die set. 
 anyway, 
> we drilled it out but it wasn't good enough for a 8M bolt, so we had 
to drill 





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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 06:06:25 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: Brake Booster

Verify vacuum at the booster. A kinked or otherwise blocked vacuum 
hose cause you not to have any power brakes. Also check the valve on 
the booster where the vacuum hose connects. If the check valve is 
stuck it can prevent vacuum from getting into the booster. If you 
still have a hard pedal then it is possible that the booster is bad. 
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Delorean17_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Hi List,
>      Ever since I've owned my car I noticed that it takes a lot of 
pedal pressure to to slow the car down.

Thanks
> David



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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 06:14:46 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: Bent

You are a far more restrained man than I am. If someone hit my 
car, they would be recieving their eulogy within minutes...

If it's a simple dent, it may be possible to easily remedy. But if 
you're not carefull, you can end up causing more expensive 
damage to repair. If you send in a picture to DMC Houston, they 
should be able to quote you an estimate for the repair. As it has 
been said, body work is a repiar that requires more of an artist to 
repair than a mechanic.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., wmack <wmack_at_dml_v...> wrote:
> I have a big question.  My friend was leaving my house tonight, 
and he accidentally hit my Delorean. 



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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 06:19:39 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: New Owner Question/Tank cleaning

To remove the tank you should first drain it of all fuel. Remove the 
plate underneath and all parts and connections on top. Get into the 
trunk and put your foot on it forcing the rear down. As the rear drops 
then the front will move rearward and out. Clean as good as you can 
and be careful not to break loose the stud inside that holds the 
baffle in place. To remove and install the baffle it must be 
disassembled and reassembled inside the tank so it can be folded 
(squished) so you can remove it. Be careful as these parts are fragile 
and expensive. Replace anything that is questionable and all rubber 
that shows signs of deterieration like the boots and the pick-up hose. 
Cleanliness in this area is IMPORTANT as this is a recirculating 
system and anything in the tank WILL get picked up and circulated. Run 
the car a little and then replace the filter to get rid of anything 
you missed. Be very careful when working with gasoline as even the 
fumes are dangerous. To reinstall the tank a little grease on the 
rubber pads surrounding the tank will make it a lot easier going back 
together. With the tank out inspect the frame, wiring and everything 
you can as it is really open in that area now and you can see areas of 
the car that are usually hidden.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Shain Brannan <shain_at_dml_e...> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I went out and checked the fuel tank out. Do you know any trick to remove the tank, or any procedure 
that works best.  Thanks.
> 
> - Shain
> #10140




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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 09:26:40 -0000
From: scott-c-arnold_at_dml_home.com
Subject: DeLorean Car Show in Memphis

Greetings, everyone!  Don't forget the DeLorean Car Show in Memphis 
next June.  Is anyone familiar with the sequence of events that will 
occur at show?  I read through the website 
(http://www.deloreancarshow.com/index.html), but it is a little 
unclear on a few issues.  

On Friday there is a dinner, some guest speakers, and part of a 
Graceland tour (requiring the Graceland Platinum Pass).  The website 
states that "doors open at 7:30 and dinner is served around 8:00", and 
 that they will have the "first part of the Platinum tour at the 
dinner".  The site also says "Location [of the dinner] will be 
determined by the number of people attending.".  On the registration 
form, the cost for the dinner and the Graceland Platinum Pass are 
listed separately.  Personally, I'm not all that interested in the 
Graceland tour, but I do want to see the guest speakers and attend the 
dinner.  So, my questions are the following -- do I have to purchase 
the Graceland Platinum Pass (in addition to the dinner charge) in 
order to attend the dinner, and, if not, when/where will the guest 
speakers be?  Or, in a single question, in order to attend the dinner 
and see the guest speakers, am I required to also purchase the 
Graceland Platinum Pass?

This question would apply to the Saturday dinner as well.

Another question to ponder -- on Saturday the car show supposedly runs 
from 12:00pm to 4:00pm.  What kind of a show is this?  Is this a 
public show that will be advertised and draw the general public?  Or 
just a private show, where we all hang in the parking lot and check 
out each others cars?

Personally, I am planning on being there on Thursday, Friday, and then 
leaving on Saturday after the "surprise" event and before the Saturday 
Graceland tour.  My brother lives in Memphis (most convenient!), so I 
will be staying with him.  I look forward to see you all there!

Scott Arnold




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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:43:49 +0100
From: delorean <delorean_at_dml_online.no>
Subject: Power Steering!

We all know that the DeLorean has got no power steering.
I must admit that it is fairly easy on the steering wheel because of the front 
and rear weight distribution.

But - is it possible to get power steering on the DeLorean?
Yes or no? I think it would be very nice to have power steering

And most important, if it's not possible to get power steering - WHY?
Is it because of lack of space or because of the standard DMC setup?

Just curious, and I'm not a car expert ;)

Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
Norway

VIN # 06759




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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:46:14 -0000
From: "Eric" <ericp_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Injector Question

Possibly, John...
But that doesn't explain why ALL 6 injectors..drip. Eric


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., dherv10_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Eric, Sounds to me like it's working. If your running rich, then 
the pressure 
> needs to be checked and possible air flow meter adjusted. If the 
pressure is 
> to rich, then the primary pressure shim may need to be added. The 
spring over 
> time gets weak. This part of the rebuild of the fuel distributor.
> John Hervey
> www/specialTauto.com




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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:55:50 -0000
From: "Eric" <ericp_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Sun Star

It's funny...
I received one of these as a birthday gift two weeks ago. What a 
great little model. Admittedly, one of the doors didn't stay up on 
mine - and I was wondering (for a minute or two) how to make it stay 
up.  Then reality returned, and then I remembered it was just a toy.

BOY!!! Are we a group of perfectionists or what ?!!!

Enjoy this for what it is, a great little model of memorabilia.

Eric
Vin# 5557


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> Got mine, beautiful!  Incredible detail!  Driver door stays up,
> passenger door, no.
> 
> To paraphrase a DMC comrade, "if the door on a toy car is the only 
thing
> you worry about staying up, you're in an enviable position."




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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 07:59:44 +0000
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: TA Bolts...an end?

Surely enough has been said about the bolts so that anyone interested
should be able to make an enlightened decision.   I really don't want to
read any more opinions or data, what I'd really like is first hand
experiences from those who have had bolt failure.  Did they limp home or
did they have to be flat bedded?  What were the control problems when
the bolt let go and the rear end dropped?  Was there a loud noise to
alert that something big was happening so that you would automatically
react by reducing speed?   Was there enough rear end clunking before the
fact so that they knew after the fact that they should have paid better
attention?

The facts, as far as I have been able to determine (I did my homework):

First of all, zero failure rate thus far on either the upgraded bolts
the vendors are using or Toby's bolts.  Secondly, actual bolt failure is
a very tiny percentage (less than 5%), of course if yours should be one
that fails you immediately go to 100%.  Final figure is that a very high
percentage of bolts are not perfect should you inspect them, best
guestimate I can get is 30% to 50%.

If you're a worrier, change your bolts, if you're a real worrier, get
Toby's bolts.




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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:39:17 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: TA Bolt questions

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., dherv10_at_dml_a... wrote:
<SNIP>
>Apparently  
> Colin Chapman thought the 10.9 would work fine or he 
wouldn't have approved 
> it. Maybe he did over look it. But others long ago up graded to 
the 12.9...
<SNIP>

Who knows if Chapman, Kimberly, or anyone else _at_dml_ Lotus even 
bothered to research this. Don't forget that the only time anyone 
really put any kind of real effort into engineering the DeLorean 
was when either JZD, or someone from DMC showed up. Other 
than that, they shoved the prototypes into the back, and were 
working on Esprits. Not even Chapman wanted to work on the 
DeLorean project. The Juhan's are the one's who made him 
take the contract.

I would have to go with the theory here that Lotus simply 
transplanted the specs for the pivot bolts on the trailing arms to 
the DMC-12 from the Esprit.

Granted the pivot bolts on the trailing arms are cause for 
concern if you have not inspected them. Maintenace is the key to 
detection of future problems. So worrying about a sudden failure 
out of the blue probably isn't a concern. But they are a critical 
component for the rear suspension. And for Chapman & Lotus 
to be experts in suspension design and engineering, they 
obviously failed to lived up to their reputation in this case. I'm not 
knocking Lotus' ability, just their dedication to contracted 
projects. I'm sure that if you own a Esprit, you probably have no 
worries. But if you own a car made by another mfg who 
contracted work to Lotus, be wary of what they designed.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:48:18 -0000
From: "Jeff" <Gr8old1_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: New Web-page! Sunstar model door fixes and more!

Greetings everyone! As you may know i posed the question to the list 
about fixing the Sunstar Model doors. well, Walt (000570) replied and 
gave great instructions on repairing the Sunstar Model. Using this 
information, i have created a web-page including pics, with step-by-
step instructions on the scale torsion bar adjustments.

Please visit: http://www.88-mph.com

This page is just launched and will expand to include links to pics 
of customized models and images of various full-sized cars! So start 
submitting and help expand my site! 

Thank you all.

-Jeff Chabotte
Norwich, CT
About to achieve the dream!




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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:57:19 EST
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: DeLorean Car Show Registration

HI

Well I thank you all for your patience but I finally managed to get enough of 
the details worked out that I have posted the registration form on the web 
page <A HREF="http://deloreancarshow.com">Deloreancarshow.com</A>. Click on the registration tab. My special thanks to 
Gary Hull for helping me last night to finish it.

Each event is priced seperately except the seminars, driving tour, and car 
show which are free to attend.  The Driving tour includes a free CD or Tape.
The Platinum pass is independent of the dinner events and will be used over 
the course of the whole show.  We will do it as a group at designated times 
so that everyone can use them.  The deal is great since the regular price is 
$32.00 for the 4 portions (Elvis's airplane tour, Elvis Museum, Elvis Car 
Museum and The Graceland tour) without the pass you will not see these items. 
 

The costs of each event cover the room, dinner, insurance and entertainment.

There is a Door adjustment seminar on Thursday that also is free but is not 
listed on the registrations since I still have a few details to work out and 
no registration is actually required anyway.

The information on the registration page is a bit detailed and longer than I 
would have liked but it is necessary to make the name tags the way many of 
you have expressed you would like them.  Please be as complete as you can.

I have worked extra hard on this one and have already purchased Johns tickets, 
for those of you wondering if he's comming.  As of now he is definately planning on it.
Health and the aftermath of Sept 11th I cannot predict.  John has been very 
helpful in planning on this one.  He really enjoyed Cleveland.  Both John and 
Kathryn plan to be there.

NOTE:

There is a limited number of spaces for these events and due to fire code restrictions they cannot be changed.

Thursday evening    400 people
Friday evening        425 people
Saturday Dinner      400 people
Sunday Brunch       200 people

I have no rooms left at the Heartbreak Hotel and only about 38 rooms remain 
at the Radisson 800-333-3333.  If you want a room its first come first serve. 
 

This show is going to be different from Cleveland and Cincinnati. There will 
be a number of live entertainers and a very wide variety of music played.  
Since Memphis is the "Music Capital", music will be the driving force of the 
show.

There are also some "Special" events included that I am not advertising, so you'll have to show up to find out.  

The registration is starting about a month earlier than the web page had 
stated so that I could get a jump everything, plus pay off some of the up front deposits required.

If you cannot attend and you have registered, you wll get a 100% refund up to 
the day before the actual event so you have nothing to risk by registering 
early.

This year I have mouspads for sale with the event logos and the T-shirts are 
great.  I have shown them at Houston, California and New York.

I also added an article called "MY THOUGHTS" that you may wish to read.  Its an 
accumulation of comments I jotted down that you may find amusing.  

Again, I thank you all and I know you will enjoy the show.

Thank you very much !!!

P.S.- Elvis has been invited ?????

Ken




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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 17:41:51 -0000
From: pbmain_at_dml_mindspring.com
Subject: If it's not broke, don't break it...

Anyone have any suggestions?

I mentioned last week that I was having the high speed accelleration 
issues - didn't sound like a transmission issue, but more of a fuel 
delivery issue, possibly.  Anyhow, even though it was still running 
ok, I decided to use the last couple days before the big "winter" 
sets in and do a tuneup since I picked up this car a few weeks ago 
and didn't know much about the history on it (the usual low mileage, 
original everything syndrome).  Here's how it went...

Removed the two allen bolts and was able to squeeze out the 
distributor cap to replace the rotor/cap with Bosch replacements.  I 
also replaced the wires, spark plugs with Platinum +4's, and went 
ahead and put in a new Bosch fuel filter, since a few people 
mentioned that I may have something in there blocking my fuel flow 
for the high speed accel. issue.  I go to start up the car after all 
of this, and it starts up right away and sounds ok.  I go to drive 
it, and what a mess - the car now has almost a rhythmic vibration to 
it when you hit the gas.  I had a older British car that once had 
this same feeling when it would foul up a plug or two...just didn't 
have that smooth "purr" like it used to.  So, with that in mind, I 
took it back into the garage, pulled the plugs and took another 
look...all the plugs looked equal - charred black except for the top 
of the +4 plug which was white.  Seeing it was all the same, I though 
I'd try putting the old plugs in..just to see if it made a 
difference.  Now that quick pulsating vibration is gone, but it 
doesn't accerate at all...it's like the high speed acceleration 
thing, but now at EVERY speed.  I give it gas...and I can barely get 
it up to 25mph in the neighborhood.

I can sense the different gears engaging, so I don't think it's 
the "starting in 2nd gear" syndrome... before it started running 
really bad, at least it would go quicker than 25mph.  I checked 
around for any vacuum lines or anything that may have been 
disconnected, but didn't see any...but admittedly, it's not the 
easiest area of the car to check around, since you can't see half of 
what you're working with, in the first place!.  Two days ago before I 
did anything, it was going up to 80 without a hitch! 

Any thoughts? (other than "tough luck!" ? :) ) I'm wondering if 
there's a possibility the cap wasn't put on quite right, etc.. 
something dumb...but in that case, I'd be surprised it would be 
running at all.  It sounds good just sitting in the driveway idling.. 
but perhaps I did knock something out on the fuel system side of 
things when I was pulling up on the fuel distributor/fuel mixture/etc 
housing.

Any suggestions are appreciated!
Pete




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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 18:39:12 -0000
From: theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Removing dome light...

Grab hold of it & pull down.  It should come right out without
damaging anything.

John Yeoman

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Adam Price" <acprice1_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> How do I remove the dome light above the dash without damaging the
light, 
> ceiling apolstery, etc?
> 
> thanks, Adam
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http:/
/explorer.msn.com/intl.asp





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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 18:41:35 -0000
From: theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Re: watch

http://www.deloreantime.com

John Yeoman

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Gabriel H. Prado" <gprado_at_dml_j...> wrote:
> I saw that watch on a Delorean web site, but can't find it now.
> 
> any clues?
> 
> Gabe





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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:47:54 EST
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: New Owner Question/Tank cleaning

Don't drop the tank! Your just making work for yourself. The hole through 
which you have to clean the tank is the same size weather you drop the tank 
or not.

Remove the fuel pump and boot and the fuel sending unit. Siphon out 
everything you can and wipe the rest out with rags. Get some Gunk engine 
degreaser and spray the entire inside of the tank. Scrub it out with a long 
handled toilet brush. Work around the baffles and wire retainers. Hose the 
inside down with your garden hose and then vacuum it out with a wet dry shop 
vac. Repeat as many times as in necessary. When clean, wipe it our with a 
clean towel and let ir dry for a few days before you reassemble and fill it 
with fuel. A simple $9.00 flourescent work light from WalMart fits right into 
the sending unit hole so you can see how you're doing, but make sure you only 
use the light after your first flush with the hose.

Jim



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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:57:30 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Brake Booster

David,

I'm in the middle of rebuilding my brakes, so I have a tip sheet from PJ
Grady.  It sounds like it might be the answer to your problem.  He didn't
put a copyright on it, so since it's a safety issue I'll do an OCR scan.
For using his tip sheet, I'll be a shill too:  His rebuilt brake calipers
and master cylinder are top quality.  They are beautifully zinc plated to a
golden color.  They have all the top quality stuff in them that you won't
get from a regular auto parts store.
-------
This new brake master cylinder often requires adjustment of the brake
booster piston rod to avoid extra pedal travel when braking.  If after
installation and proper bleeding you experience a low pedal remove the two
17m mounting nuts and pull master cylinder away to allow access to booster
(you can leave brake lines attached) adjust booster rod using 8m socket
wrench to adjust rod.  Have someone depress brake pedal or use appropriate
length bar wedged against seat bottom to allow access to booster pin and
hold with pliers while adjusting 8m rod setscrew.  Mark socket with a black
magic marker and turn rod counter clockwise to lengthen.  Usually two to
three full turns are required to give a good solid pedal.  There should be
at least 2" of pedal travel before brakes apply or dragging and subsequent
rotor damage may occur.  After adjusting road test car and then check wheels
for brake dragging before you're done.




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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 15:05:51 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Sunstar model questions & remarks

The label on the model's box describe the car as a 1981 DeLorean LK.  What
does the "LK" stand for?  Did some foreigner forget to delete the
accumulated typos at the end of his sentence before he pressed the 'print'
button on the typesetting machine?

What is the deal with the little dark dots in the front and rear lights?  It
looks like the manufacture intended these to be windows for battery operated
lights.  But I don't see any battery compartment.

I am impressed by the detail and accuracy.  But that is not what I enjoy
most about this model.  What I really love is being familiar enough with the
real thing to be able to notice and enjoy many of the inaccuracies.

Has anyone noticed that the front spoiler is bent up in the center?  This
only happens on real DeLoreans that have front end damage.  I suppose that
the car that this model was based on has the front spoiler bent up the same
way.  The guy who did the measurements probably didn't know better.

They call the car an '81 model, but it has exhaust tips that look much more
like an '82.

The engine is missing the throttle-spool shield recall, but the photo of the
real engine on the box shows this cover.  However, I don't suppose that any
water will get in there and freeze it stuck on the model.

Since most Sunstar models are 1:18 scale, will I be able to do an engine
swap?  And don't give me that purist crap.

The header bottle has been upgraded with the aftermarket stainless steel
bottle.  I suppose they were worried that the original plastic ones would
break?  I don't think they intended this to be a concours edition model.  :)

My rear view mirror is not adjusted properly, someone left the ash tray
open, and the steering wheel is the wrong color.  (big smile)

These models have the DeLorean name on the bumper painted white.  This isn't
factory original.  A lot of people put stainless inset letters in there, but
I haven't seen white on a production car before.  Is someone going to come
out with a miniature stainless lettering kit?

This model appears to have the upgraded lowered front springs.  But the
photo on the package shows a car that has the original tall springs.  I
suppose that when they come out with the BTTF version that instead of
lowered front springs there will be little bricks in the front storage
compartment to lower the front like they did in the movie.

Hey, they fixed the front sway bar.  It looks real heavy-duty, and it
doesn't interfere with the steering.

Since this car has so many aftermarket accessories, is someone going to come
out with a faux stainless door sill kit?  I also would like to lightly tint
the windows & cover up those dark holes in the headlights.  That really
looks weird.

The passenger door doesn't stay up, but I never like leaving my doors open.
When at shows if there is another DeLorean there, I guarantee they will at
least leave one door open, usually both along with the hood & engine cover.
I think the car looks better with everything closed anyway.

I love this car!  You must have one.  Buy it now!
Walt    Tampa, FL





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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:38:19 -0600
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Power Steering!

Power steering really isn't necessary with
the DeLorean because the steering effort is
pretty light.  A power steering setup would
require another belt-driven accessory at an
already congested part of the car, plus more
plumbing from the very rear of the car to the
very front.  More weight, less power at the
rear wheels.  Another side-effect of power
steering is a loss of feedback from the
front suspension to the driver's hands.
Power steering tends to numb the sensitivity
of the steering wheel to what is going on
at the road.  I for one prefer sports cars
that don't have power steering or power
brakes.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: delorean [mailto:delorean_at_dml_online.no]
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 7:44 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Power Steering!


We all know that the DeLorean has got no power steering.
I must admit that it is fairly easy on the steering wheel because of the
front
and rear weight distribution.

But - is it possible to get power steering on the DeLorean?
Yes or no? I think it would be very nice to have power steering





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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:50:36 -0600
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Re: TA Bolt questions

That is a pretty broad statement to make based
on very little information.  Lotus brings in far
more money (and profit) on it's engineering 
consultancy business than it has ever made making 
race or road cars.  In fact, it's the contract 
engineering side of the company that the previous
owners were most interested in.  Most sports cars
from major manufacturers have benefitted from 
suspension and chassis tuning by Lotus and 
some have even had engine tuning done by Lotus.

Mike

[snip]

But if you own a car made by another mfg who 
contracted work to Lotus, be wary of what they designed.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"






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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 22:44:07 -0700
From: "Matthew P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>
Subject: DeLorean for Sale

Hi list,
        Well, after moving across country I have decided that it's no longer
feasible to have a pair of DeLoreans out here in Arizona.  I'd like to find
a good home for one and that's why I am sending the email to this list.  I
want to stay away from ebay because the car is not in my possession.  Right
now it is in good hands with Rob Grady in New York.  I am not able to show
it and go for rides with prospective buyers and its also unfair to ask Rob
for the same.

Here's what I can tell you:
It's a 1982 built in November of 1981.  It is white but the paint is shot.
As far as I can tell the grain is in tact, probably why the paint didn't
hold up.  I am the third owner and it was a Florida car.  It has just over
17,000 miles on it and I think I have all the receipts for it from the
previous owners.  The engine and transmission are good.  The frame appears
good and only has a bit of surface rust.  It needs a RHS exhaust manifold
gasket, RHS interior windshield A-pillar (I have it), small black body work
(left front cracked/ripped under the hood), radio (antenna works), fuse box
(Rob has the spare I gave him).

Here's the good news:
The interior is nice and some of it was redone about 4 years ago.  The dash
is sunburned from FL but the Binnacle appears to be good.  Rob has cleaned
the fuel tank, pump, done new boots and tankzilla.  He's currently working
on the checklist for it.  I was going to have it restored but for someone
who likes to do some of their own work you could have Rob do the major stuff
since it is there and do the rest yourself.  Thanks to DanRC30 it has a new
HCR angle drive and bracket, otterstat, coolant hose and self-bleeder kit,
defroster switch, mode switch, and misc other goodies.  It has polished late
silver wheels with almost new Yokohama AVS's on it.  It runs strong and
shifts well.  Both Dan and Rob have driven it along with myself.  They would
be happy to talk with you about it, but I think you'd have better luck with
Dan as Rob is so busy....:)

Here is my current plan: If I cannot find anyone who wants to give her a
good home I am going to have Rob do a full restoration and ship it out here.
I'll have a custom paint job done since I can't see stripping it.  Our
winters are when we get out and drive, and our summers are too hot to be in
the garage....:)

So here's my offer--I have over $12,000 into this car and it is definitely
going to be at least a $20,000 rule car since I am going to have the work
done by Rob and just drive away with a finished product.  I am asking
$12,000 for the car and all the parts that go with it.  Since it is in line
to be done at Rob's you can take my spot and have him do anything you want
or you can have him ship it to you.  You can even drive it away from there
if you wish right now.   Any takers?

Email me privately at mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com with any questions.  I have one or
two pictures of it if you would like to see a white DeLorean.  It needs a
good home.  Anyone up for the challenge?

Matthew
VIN #10365




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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:26:37 -0600
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Re: Comments & Suggestions from Marc re: deloreans magazine

I got Marc's message about the magazine last Wednesday (the 7th) right
before I left town (returning yesterday). I held on posting my
reply (below) to the DML until my return so that anyone who desires to take
me up on my offer at the end of the message may do so.

James
---------------

Marc -

(SNIP)

> suggestions are welcomed, and we look forward to hearing from you."  I
> don't see why Stephen would mind me sharing my comments in public (I am
> good at self embarrassment).

Yes, you are! Now it's my turn.

> In this premiere issue, I would estimate that more than 50% of the page
> space were advertisements for DMC Houston.  The rest of the "articles"
> were more like info-mercials for DMC Houston..

Actually, out of the 20 pages, four and one-third pages were advertisements,
or about 20%. To contrast, a DeLorean World from the Spring of 2000 (one
that happened to be sitting around here at the office) was 10.5 out of 40
pages, or about 25%. Either way, I don't think it's unacceptable for a small
publication that at this time is still supported entirely by us.
 
> The "NEWS" section is about Ace Underhill.  Many of us old-times
(SNIP)
> about Ace Underhill *SEEMS* more like a shill.

Ace *is* a good friend of mine, and I used to live in Costa Rica and work
with him there. He bought his DeLorean from us, and when we were creating
the first issue, he offered to help. We wanted to keep the idea of the
magazine under wraps until the open house, and the best way to do that was
to limit number of people who knew. I also thought the story behind the
first DeLorean in Costa Rica was interesting. The people there seem to think
it is cool. If you want to see some skullduggery, there are much easier
places to find it in the world than there.

> 90-second tech tip on how to replace the armrest cap??  Is there anyone
> out there that needs to read how to do this?  More likely to just put
> the idea in our heads that we should consider replacing this warn part
> on our cars..  and OH! how convenient, the source for the part is listed
> right under the article.  Can anyone guess where we should buy the part
> from? (and, mine just happens to be cracked..  I guess I better get on
> the phone to order one!)

Judging from the cars that we see come in at the shop, and we see at shows
and tech events, a lot of people need to know if not HOW to do this, that
the parts exist (all four varieties) and are available. Not everyone is as
knowledgeable as you, Marc. And even though yours is cracked, and even
though you may not have thought to order one before reading that little bit
of info, I won't be disappointed if you call one of the other vendors to
order it. :-)
 
> Then we have a one page-er on how terrible the Yahoo map service is.
> Apparently Anthony does not like that Yahoo-Maps does not keep track of
> road conditions and construction on the hundreds of thousands of miles
> of highway in the united states.  While I can't fault the guy for taking
> the opportunity to stand on his soap box (hey, I am doing it now) I
> don't see what this all has to do with DeLoreans, how is this at all
> related?  I do like his comment "...I'm paying absolutely nothing for
> this service, and I'm getting exactly what I pay for.", Maybe I would
> feel the same way about DeLoreans magazine if they were not trying to
> charge the DeLorean community for a glossy pamphlet of advertisements.

Wow! Apparently there is no room for levity in this publication. You're the
second person that has commented on Anthony's editorial...out of more than
3,000 distributed. In any case, I hadn't banked on that. Who said it had to
be related to DeLoreans to be in there? We sure didn't. Jeez.
 
> The center of the magazine contains the only true and relevant "article"
> in it.  Ryan McCaffrey does a good job of telling the reader about his
> adventures in Belfast.  Having been there with Ryan, I compliment him on
> his article and excellent writing style.  I just wonder why we did not
> read about him purchasing a set of lowering springs while at the trade
> show in Belfast from a vendor other than DMC Houston??

You'd have to ask Ryan why he didn't write about it. I'd forgotten about it
myself, and as his friend, *I* fronted him the cash to buy them! Gasp! Guess
there's no conspiracy there.

> Did "Jake" remove this part of the story? And who is Jake Elwood??
> And what a coincidence his initials are "JE" :)

Who is Jake Elwood? That's a closely guarded secret! Don't take yourself and
everything else so seriously. A little levity, a little mystery - neither
will kill you. Maybe he'll come to Memphis this summer...people can have
"Jake Elwood" sightings to go along with "Elvis" sightings...
 
> We continue on to read about a nice DeLorean poster, of course you can
> purchase one of these "exclusively from DeLorean Motor Company."

We had the poster commissioned, and put our logo on it. We didn't expect the
other vendors to want to carry it, so yes, it's exclusively from DeLorean
Motor Company...until one shows up on Ebay, at least! Did you catch that
someone had put a copy of the magazine on there a few weeks ago?

> (Houston).  Then another 2 page infomercial with "tech tips", with a
> highlighted box on "where to buy" the parts for the projects. Do I need
> to even mention where you should buy from?

Since you didn't mention it, let me! You can buy the door handles from
DeLorean Motor Company in Houston. What wasn't mentioned, and probably will
not be, either, is the fact that we have sold the door handles to all the
other vendors as well, except for ONE. Most of you will catch my drift and
know who that ONE vendor is. In any case, as 'deloreans' is for time being
supported by DeLorean Motor Company, it's going to favor DeLorean Motor
Company products and services.
 
> right ahead.  My real concern is the majority of the DeLorean owners (or
> people considering DeLorean ownership) who are misinformed about who the
> players are,

(SNIP)

> Do we expect the average DeLorean owner to know that this company
> in Houston is not the same company that built our cars? I hope so.

Well, you just remarked incredulously that someone would need to know how to
install arm rest caps. Now here it sounds like you aren't giving those
people credit for ANY intelligence. Don't play both sides of the fence to
make a point.
 
> I have no vendetta with DMC Houston, or James.  I also have nothing to
> sell myself.  I point this out, because I have nothing to gain by making
> these comments.

No, you don't have anything to gain personally. But you and I don't seem to
see eye-to-eye on many things, and rather than discuss them privately (or
offer to contribute in some way) you criticize instead. One of the basic
tenets of a manager is "praise in public, criticize in private". I have been
guilty of that myself in the past. But now in particular, I see little
constructive in your criticisms after several re-readings, just slanted
criticisms...but more on that below.
 
> Maybe I will change my opinion when I see an article in DeLoreans
> magazine that talks about how the Zilla products improve the safety and
> reliability of the DeLorean...  But who expects that to happen any time
> soon??  Maybe it will now because I said something.  :)

Will you write that article? Or any article, for that matter? Maybe you will
now because *I* said something.  :P  But I doubt it.

> Don't try and dupe the DeLorean community in to paying a subscription
> for your propaganda, it will have a negative impact on your credibility.
> There is a obvious conflict of interest when a vendor tries to market a
> magazine to serve owners and enthusiasts.  The purpose of a business it
> to make money (to serve itself, and it's investors) in a ETHICAL way.
> This has always been the root of the anti-DOA crowd, frustrated with the
> strong ties between DeLorean One and the DOA.

I think you are confused. The DOA is supposed to be a non-profit
organization, and people's problems with them lie with the archaic makeup of
the board, the by-laws and election process. The fact that they have not
published ANY financial info in as long as I can remember lends to the aura
of secrecy. Personally, I stopped bashing the DOA when I dropped my
membership a few years ago.

I don't think anyone doubts for a minute that DeLorean Motor Company is in
business to make money. Nor do I think we are 'duping' anyone, nor are we
trying to. It's very clear...everyone has seen the first issue, and will see
the second one as well at absolutely no charge.  For the couple of hundred
subscribers already, their paid subscription will start with the THIRD issue
mailed in February.
 
> And, while I am making a fool of myself on this soap box, Give Mr. John
> Z. DeLorean his NAME and LOGO back.  He is responsible for your
> livelihood, and you should not "kick him when he is down".

DeLorean Motor Company (Houston) has done more for the good name and image
of the DeLorean in the past five years than John DeLorean has been able to
do in the past twenty. Don't get me wrong, I like JZD. I think he's a great
person with the best of intentions. We took the step of securing a trademark
on the "DMC" logo (we have done nothing with the name of the car) to protect
the investment we have made in the good name of the car and company. If he
or his counsel take issue with any of that, they haven't made us aware of
it. And we are a LOT easier to locate than he is.
 
> Were you really "looking forward" to my comments and suggestions?  :)

I've enjoyed everyone's perspectives over the last few weeks. It's about as
we expected. Those people, who for one reason or another, think we're trying
to take over the world are cutting down and belittling the work of others
while offering little or no contributions of their own. In this instance,
Marc, you are no different.

Then there are others, coming from unexpected quarters sometimes, who
understand and appreciate what we are trying to do and are more reasonable.
They seem to 'get it'.

The purpose of producing the magazine was two-fold - increase awareness of
the DeLorean marque/brand (including parts/service availability) and provide
an alternative to DeLorean World, which many people had complained about for
years. Anyone could have done it. No one did. When you step up and create
something when no one does, I hope that no one comes down on you for it.

Incidentally, while I *did* take about 2 years off from working full-time
for DeLorean Motor Company to live in Costa Rica, I am back in the office in
Houston pretty much full-time (save for a few days each month spent in Costa
Rica with my family). I invite ANYONE who feels the need to share their
thoughts to call me - for free - at 800/872-3621. I won't ask for your VIN
and won't ask you to call on your nickel just to chat.

So...Marc, Steve, Dan, Senator Pack, and the rest of the Northeastern bunch
that seem to go through this "Espey/DMC gang-bang" every time they have a
get-together...I'm not sure what I have done to piss you all off, but the
hobby is too small for us to have the bickering. I'm extending an olive
branch and invite you (and anyone who feels the same way you all seem to) to
chat with me and bury the hatchet. Now it's up to you.

Regards,

James Espey
Written partly as an employee of DeLorean Motor Company and partly as a
DeLorean enthusiast. To hell with 'politically correct', let's just work
this out and get back to talking about the cars!




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