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Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 2:51 AM

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There are 22 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: DMC Houston HiPo engine
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>

2. RE: DMC Houston HiPo engine
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

3. Re: Sunstar model questions & remarks
From: "Lowery, Dennis [C]" <loweryd_at_dml_nima.mil>

4. Re: DMC Houston HiPo engine
From: "James" <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

5. RE: DMC Houston HiPo engine
From: "Adam Price" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

6. Re: RE: front lower control arms
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

7. Re: Re: TA Bolts...an end?
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>

8. DMC engine upgrades (and warehouse move news)
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

9. #1458 lives!
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

10. Re: Re: TA Bolts...an end?
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

11. Re: DMC Houston HiPo engine
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>

12. Firsthand TAB experience
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>

13. Re: Angle drive issues.
From: "Jan van de Wouw" <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>

14. Re: Re: Sunstar model questions & remarks
From: "Steven Lawrence" <vipertv_at_dml_cableone.net>

15. RE: DMC Houston HiPo engine
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

16. Re: Sunstar model questions & remarks
From: "Jan van de Wouw" <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>

17. Re: Sunstar model questions & remarks
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

18. Re: DMC engine upgrades (and warehouse move news)
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com

19. Re: RE: DMC Houston HiPo engine
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com

20. RE: TA bolt failures
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>

21. Re: DMC Houston HiPo engine
From: Scott Arnold <scott-c-arnold_at_dml_home.com>

22. Responses to James Espey Post
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 18:19:26 -0000
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
Subject: Re: DMC Houston HiPo engine

While I dont own a car with these houston upgrades, I have ridden in 
3 cars with the new engine, and driven one of them (the 5-speed demo 
one during the open house).  Quite frankly, I dont like it.  It 
really doesn't "feel" all that much faster to me.  While I have no 
doubt that one of these cars could easily take mine in the top end, a 
0-60 race I think would still be pretty close.  One of the reasons I 
theorize behind this is the high-geared transmission.  The new engine 
seems to put out most of its power at high RPMS, but seems like it 
has lost some of its torque.  So with the tranny geared so high, the 
engine strains to get up to where it can do some good.  While this 
may be fine for some people, if I'm gonna put over $5000 into an 
upgrade, I want see some low end improvements with the torque band. 
(Please note how I stated THEORIZE.  I dont claim to have any facts 
on this, only what I have personally experienced.  But I think 
Houston's power graph is misleading, there should be a separate line 
for the torque curve.  Where is it?  Or was it to embarassing to put 
on?) Don't anybody start blabbing to me about how the DeLorean isn't 
meant to drag race.  I know that.  I didn't buy the car for speed.  
But if I'm gonna spend thousands of dollars to theoreticly make it 
faster, I want to feel that speed.  There are three things I have 
done to my stock engine to slightly improve performace.  I removed 
the hot-air valve on the air intake and replaced the line with a 
single piece flexible hose.  I also have installed a Direct Hits 
ignition enhancement system.  And most recently, I installed a "free-
flow" CAT (if you catch my drift).  With all these in place, about 2 
months ago I raced a semi-local owner with a stock engine.  Despite 
both of us having terrible launches, I still "whomped his butt".  
This is the kind out output I would hope to have seen in Houston's 
new engine, but it sure didn't seem like it.  Now I have not actually 
raced a car with this upgrade, but if the local MN owner with the 
upgrade sees this post and would like to go at it next spring, let me 
know!  ;-)  This kind of race will either prove my theory, or prove 
me wrong.  I actually hope it would prove me wrong, but I just have 
some big doubts about that.  Sorry to have seem to gone on preaching 
how bad houston's new engine is.  I dont think its a bad engine, I 
just personally dont like it.

About your window question, you should check out Bob Brandys car and 
see what he did.  (www.delorean-midwest.org)  Expenive, but 
interesting nonetheless.

Jim Reeve
MNDMC - Minnesota DeLorean Club
DMC-6960

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., scott-c-arnold_at_dml_h... wrote:
> Has anyone tried out the DMC Houston high-output engine




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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:13:38 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: RE: DMC Houston HiPo engine

I have never drove or rode in a modified Houston car, so please know
that while considering my opinions.


When this engine was first made available, I asked a number of detailed
questions about what was modified.  Best I could put together was:

1.  Modified exhaust with dual CAT converters (Based on what I saw when
inspecting the first converted car in Cleveland, it looks like the
old-technology DMC cats were used).

2.  Cams were replaced with new timing.  (From what I understand based
on my research for performance mods on the PRV, this is a common
modification with mixed results.  Cams alone usually do not make a big
difference)

3.  The heads are resurfaced in order to increase compression by a
minimal amount.  There may be also a port and polish job with this.


My opinions?  Again, having never been inside a running Houston modified
car...  I thought the exhaust was on the loud side (this was the car in
Cleveland, so there may have been improvements on this since).  Watching
the car drive, it did not look all that fast.  Based on the
modifications I list above, I find it hard to believe the 200HP number.
My guess would be they are in the 170HP range.  Most performance engine
builders I have spoken to find it hard to believe that anyone can get a
extra 75% HP from a engine with just the items I list above.  

I also hear second hand stories that the Houston car was on the track at
a recent DeLorean event (Atlanta?) Where another DeLorean (I think it
may have been Rob's green car) kept up with the Houston car.  If this is
true, then it is not a very good advertisement for the Houston
modifications.  Rob's green car does have a custom exhaust, but I do not
think there are any other engine modifications.

Maybe someone from Houston can correct my "list of modifications" that
may explain how they achieve 200HP.

Either way, if your not in a rush my advice would be to wait.  Houston
is supposed to be working on a "stage 2" and "stage 3" set of
modifications, and I hear there are some other vendors (and individuals)
working on performance modifications.  The longer you wait, the more
options you will have. 

-----Original Message-----
From: scott-c-arnold_at_dml_home.com [mailto:scott-c-arnold_at_dml_home.com]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 11:23 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] DMC Houston HiPo engine


Has anyone tried out the DMC Houston high-output engine?  It is 
supposed to put out about 190 to 200 HP and I am curious about anyone 
who might have opinions on not only the upgraded engines performance, 
but on DMC Houston's service as well.  DMC Houston has a HP/torque 
graph for their upgraded engine (which is nice), but it is not all 
that informative since they do not show a stock engine to compare 
against.  I e-mailed asking what kind of a wait there is on this 
service, but they did not reply.  I might be interested in this 
service down the road a bit, but my engine is in pretty good shape 
and I could probably put together a pretty nice blower setup with the 
same power for the same money (roughly $6500 I believe).

Also, to hit another topic, one of the annoyances of the DeLorean are 
the side windows.  Has anyone ever considered modifying the window to 
make the upper half removable, kind of like a T-Top?  Just a 
thought...

Thanks,

Scott Arnold




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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:42:55 -0500
From: "Lowery, Dennis [C]" <loweryd_at_dml_nima.mil>
Subject: Re: Sunstar model questions & remarks


Well I didn't make a vin plate.....but I did make a license plate.  

I went to my state's (Virginia) DMV website where they let you make sample
plates in any style that you wish.  I made an image of my actual Va license
plate. then reduced it to the appropriate size, printed it on a color
printer, laminated it, cut it out and using a little piece of two sided tape
stuck it in the frame on the rear of the model.  

It looks great and really surprises people when they examine my new model.

I don't know if all states offer this ability but if yours does and you've
got too much time on your hands like I did that day, give it a try..I think
you'll like it too.


Dennis Lowery
Vin 04797

You Wrote:


Message: 4
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:42:03 -0600
From: Todd Masinelli <tmasin_at_dml_madisontelco.com>
Subject: Re: Sunstar model questions & remarks

> The engine is missing the throttle-spool shield recall  [SNIP]
> The header bottle has been upgraded

Good catches, Walt!  Also not stock is the coolant auto-bleed hose (a la DMC
Joe's "Overheat Protector" kit).  The dash is interesting, too.  It appears
to have some stuck gauges, and all the warning lights are lit up.

Don't get me wrong, the model is really great and the "problems" are minor.
I've got the same passenger door issue that many others have, plus my gas
pedal is bent over the top of the other pedals.  But that stuff's minor
considering how cool it is to finally have a little "Mini Me" of my
DeLorean!

Anybody want to make me a teeny tiny VIN plate with 6681 on it?  :-)

___________________
Todd Masinelli
VIN 6681 (Nov 81)




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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:04:23 -0000
From: "James" <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Re: DMC Houston HiPo engine

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_i...> wrote:
> While I dont own a car with these houston upgrades, 

(SNIP)

>But I think 
> Houston's power graph is misleading, there should be a 
separate line 
> for the torque curve.  Where is it?  Or was it to embarassing to 
put 
> on?) 

The torque curve is there, always has been. Look again, and 
then let me know what you think. 

http://www.delorean.com/performance.asp

James




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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:33:53 -0800
From: "Adam Price" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: DMC Houston HiPo engine

When you say "high output" engine are you talking about the twin turbo?
Adam vin 6683

>From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
>CC: <scott-c-arnold_at_dml_home.com>
>Subject: RE: [DML] DMC Houston HiPo engine
>Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:13:38 -0500
>
>I have never drove or rode in a modified Houston car, so please know
>that while considering my opinions.
>
>
>When this engine was first made available, I asked a number of detailed
>questions about what was modified.  Best I could put together was:
>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:41:28 EST
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: RE: front lower control arms

Group,   No , I wouldn't try to sell you a pair of lower control arms unless 
you needed them. There would lots of way's to fix them. Since some admitted 
old Hot Rodders wouldn't  leave home without bailing wire and Duck Tape and 
since subject has been placed in the minds of the De Lorean owners about 
bolts bending and breaking and the damage it could cause, I thought it would 
be a good time to bring it up about Lower control arms. To me almost the same 
rule applies. Metal Fatigue. Since Toby works at Boeing, I'm sure he can 
explain it to you.  The last time I was told what they were selling for on a 
dealer web site was about $660.00. The ones I list on the site are over 
$100.00 + dollars cheaper. The originals were made if 1/16th steel and the 
ones I have are 1/8" steel. Yes you can weld on the existing arms to repair 
them. $20.00 is a good cost. But how many De Lorean owners have the equipment 
and a good place to do the work and them off and send them to you. Then how 
many would want a patched up job. The best way to fix them and drive with no 
concern would be to replace them new with higher quality.  An, east coast 
Dealer and De Lorean restorer had these made and is listing them on my site 
for sale at very little profit. When you have them laser cut and get the 
minimum order together, then it's quite an investment. The point I was making 
was the fragile nature of the arms. Several have been replaced and other 
dealers are repairing or making new ones. I had mentioned in an earlier post 
about the 12.9 bold that was slightly bent, and the someone said in a round 
about way if it's bent then breaking is almost enviable. The whole moral of 
the story is. Do you want to patch it or replace it with a better up grade. 
The 12.9 bolt, plated is and up grade and Toby's bolt of Inconel 718 is an up 
grade, it all just gets back to the pocket book. One other thing I would like 
to say about metal flexing, Why are people still working in buildings and 
crossing bridges that Flex. Some things are made to do that. Even Boeing 
planes do it and we still ride in them.
John hervey
www.specialTauto.com
   



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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:20:22 -0500
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Re: Re: TA Bolts...an end?

After I replace my TA bolts, Toby is setting me up with a 747 jet engine
to install in my Delorean.  I'm expecting 0 to 60 even faster than the
Turbo DMC.  Does anyone want to help?  I'm not sure if I can lift the
entire engine by myself... many times.  

Anyways, does anyone think that there is a relationship between
manufacture time and TA bolt failure; ie, did different batches fare
better than others?

Jim 
153zoom7



On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 05:32:17 -0000 tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com writes:
> Les - As I suggested in my previous posting, a survey of the 'fleet' 
> would be a grand idea.  All we need is some guidance on how to 
> accomplish it.  As far as your figures are concerned, if the 
> percentage of "imperfect" bolts (whatever that means) is as high as 
> 50%, we have a great deal of "worrying" to do.  Keep in mind my 
> perspective ... on one car (mine) I had one break completely, and 
> the 
> other was significantly bent.  And, when we looked at another small 
> group of cars, over 1/3 of the bolts were bent. As I mentioned in my 

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:21:52 -0600
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: DMC engine upgrades (and warehouse move news)

Scott -

I don't recall a message from you on this, but here's the latest for you and
everyone else...

As of right now, there is about a two month waiting list on the engine
upgrades (either to your existing engine or a new crate engine). We've
installed about a dozen of them to date for owners in Florida, New York,
California, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, and of course, Texas among others.
We're trying to do about two per month.

Most of the attendees at our open house this past summer got the chance to
drive one or both of the two cars we had on hand equipped with this engine.
Same for the attendees to the Chicago Tech Day event held in September. I
think a few people drove the car we had in Atlanta, too.

I don't know how specific you want information on the engine...obviously we
have significant development expense in the engine modifications, so to
expect that we would disclose exact specifications so that you could create
it yourself is not likely to happen. Generally speaking, however, we port,
polish and flow the heads, install new camshafts (completely new - designed
for us), the new exhaust system (including dual, aftermarket 50-state legal
catalytics) and some alterations to the fuel system to increase fuel
delivery at the higher revs.

All of the development testing was done on an engine stand, so those numbers
are at the flywheel, like the original DeLorean specs were. 197 vs 130 is
about a 50% increase (not 75% like Marc posted). Obviously, numbers at the
rear wheels WILL BE markedly less - look at Bob Brandy's "Dyno Days" article
for details on that. His tests showed a stock five-speed at the rear wheels
showed HP to be 100hp, and 90hp for an automatic. Some very informal dyno
tests done a few months ago on our automatic car showed 130hp at the rear
wheels, an increase of 40 over a stock automatic.

In regards to torque, peak torque on the stock engine (again, at the
flywheel), out tests showed 179 at 2500rpm. Our upgraded engine leaves the
torque essentially unchanged up to about 3750 RPM, but then evens it out
considerably at the higher RPMs, where the improved 'breathing' of the
upgraded engines (as a result of the ported, polished and flow tested heads)
delivers the most increase in power. That's resulted in the biggest problem
we have with the people who have had their engines upgraded - they are
shifting too soon. Where the stock engine loses a lot of steam around 4500
RPM or above, the upgraded engine will 'pull' right up to 6500 RPM and a
little beyond.

There will be some changes to the engine program, probably start of the
year, but in a nutshell, what is NOW the Stage I will become Stage II, and
the currently being tested Stage II will become the Stage III. The exhaust
system (separately) will become the new Stage I. This is because the Stage
III was looking to cost a TON of money on top of the Stage I and Stage II
upgrades. Look for an update to be posted after the start of the year.

As of this past weekend, we had unloaded a total of 22 semi-trailer loads of
DeLorean parts from Ohio into our new warehouse. This means that there are
about 20-25 loads left (either already in transit or yet to be packed). Once
the actual move portion is completed (late December), January will be spent
doing the inventory. As time permits this week, I will post some photos
taken as the move progresses.

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas 

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com 




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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:26:08 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: #1458 lives!

Hi All

Well, for those who weren't paying attention (yes, I can see you at the back there -
listen up!), you'll know I had a problem with my gearbox...

...the retaining nut on the end of the secondary driveshaft had come loose and drilled
its way out through the case. This could go a long way to explain the low mileage on my
car (2353 but with a broken angle drive......). However, the end casing was relatively
easy to remove and I got it welded up, replaced the nut and on tuesday last week, Jason
rang up to say it was back together, and he'd taken it for a spin down the road. On their
return there was one huge fuel leak....
 A new hose from Renault would take 7-10 days... Oh No! I really wanted the car for this
weekend. Thank god for Rich's car quietly resting in the garage... Cheers Rich!

My mission when I arrived this Saturday was to "give the car some exercise". The car only
came with a rear licence plate, so I needed to fit the front plate I'd had made (in
theory I shouldn't be driving it on the US plate, but hey). Then it was out for a spin! I
have a rather good employee car insurance policy and it allows anyone to drive with my
permission, so Rich and I took her out - only three miles or so, but the brakes were very
"woody" (still covered in rust). We swapped and drove back. The steering is very
positive, but to be honest I was concentrating on the change over to a left-hand drive to
notice much else!!!

On driving it later on, I dicovered the reason for the rather disappointing throttle
response. I'd only gone and got the carpet stuck under the accellerator pedal!!! The
brakes loosened up wonderfully, and even with left-hand drive and England's crowded
roads, I overtook no fewer than four times!

Later that evening, Jason needed a lift home, and it gave me the perfect excuse to drive
her! On arrival, he dragged his family out to see the car he'd been working on. Since I
hadn't taken any photos of the car running, I decided now might be a good time. The
photos are here (together with a load of others)

www.delorean.co.uk/1458and2727.html

On Sunday, we turned our attention to getting Rich's damaged quarter panel off. Chris
Nicholson is back from the US this week and said he'd try and squeeze it in.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to Thursday - my car's getting its MOT (annual test) so I can
register it, and I'm picking it up to drive the 110 miles back to Reading where I live
during the week. On Saturday I'm driving it another 90 miles or so to a social event in
Peterborough. If only the stereo worked.....

Martin
#1458
www.delorean.co.uk




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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:45:34 -0500
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Re: TA Bolts...an end?

Slightly off topic, but worth it..

> After I replace my TA bolts, Toby is setting me up with a 747 jet engine
> to install in my Delorean.  I'm expecting 0 to 60 even faster than the

Speaking of bolting a jet engine to a car, here's a very short film for your
amusement.  It's done mostly with CGI.

http://www.405themovie.com/

-Hank  #1619





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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:52:16 -0000
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
Subject: Re: DMC Houston HiPo engine

James, my apologies in this manner.  Up untill now, the only graph I 
could remember seeing was a black and white one in the DMCNEWS files, 
which seems to no longer be there.  By all means, I believe this graph 
indicates some really nice numbers, I just didn't feel them when 
driving it.  (And I have felt this engine while revving it high as the 
person in charge of the 5-speed during the open house took the engine 
PAST 8000 RPM while I was riding in it.)  Out of curiosity, are there 
any specific 0-60 or 1/4 mile times taken on this new engine?  Those 
would be the figures I (and a LOT of other people) would be most 
interested in.  Again, my aplogies for lack of research before my 
post.  Take care.

Jim Reeve
MNDMC - Minnesota DeLorean Club
DMC-6960

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "James" <james_at_dml_u...> wrote:

> The torque curve is there, always has been. Look again, and 
> then let me know what you think. 
> 
> http://www.delorean.com/performance.asp
> 
> James




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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:03:13 -0000
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
Subject: Firsthand TAB experience

While I have not had a trailing arm bolt actually break on me, I very 
well nearly did.  I ignored a very obvious warning sign - a necessary 
steering correction under acceleration.  What had happend is that the 
trailing arm bolt had stretched out or slightly bent, and I lost all 
of the alignment shims.  This left a LOT of freeplay on the trailing 
arm itself, and ended up bending the bolt quite badly.  Fortunately, 
my car was a bit smarter than me with this matter.  It knew about this 
problem and it's solution to it was to seize up its own clutch to keep 
me from driving it.  While I later determined the clutch problem to 
have been caused by the previous owner's jury-rigging, crawling under 
the car to fix it allowed me to notice the problem with the TAB.  For 
the time being, I re-tighened both bolts and my car is now in winter 
storage.  I need new trailing arm bolts, and Toby, you can add me to 
your list of interested parties.

Jim Reeve
MNDMC - Minnesota DeLorean Club
DMC-6960




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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:32:03 -0000
From: "Jan van de Wouw" <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>
Subject: Re: Angle drive issues.

--- Noah  wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, Jan van de Wouw wrote:
> > In order to remove the drive from the nut the nut has
> > to be removed from the hub/axle.
> *nod* It's getting the nut removed from the axle that's
> the issue. The only way I can see to do this is to remove
> the rotor and free up some more of the spindle so I can
> immobilize it. 

The vice grips would probably work, but you'd ave a hard 
time getting the bearing back on (or off for that matter)
because of the damage you already thought of.

I have no further experience with this, but maybe you can remove 
the hub, so the threads on the end of the axle/spinde are free. 
put the nut onto the threads and then put on ANOTHER NUT.
Turn both nuts onto each other so they don't move anymore,
put on a box wrench and wedge that to the floor with a breaker bar.

What ever you do, when you have everything off of the car,
be sure to check why your axle/spindle can rotate! 
This is NOT supposed to be this way, the axle should be wedged
into the knuckle. It being slightly coned at the end, putting
on the AD-nut and torqueing it will secure the axle into the knuckle.

Good luck with your next tries,

JAN van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:22:14 -0800
From: "Steven Lawrence" <vipertv_at_dml_cableone.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Sunstar model questions & remarks

Go to: http://www.acme.com/licensemaker/

They offer every state's plate (old and new) and you can type anything you
want.  I used it for my Sunstar DeLorean model!  Worth a shot if you would
like to have a little brother of your real D.

Steven Lawrence
vipertv_at_dml_cableone.net
Biloxi, Mississippi
Still waiting to Live The Dream!

> I don't know if all states offer this ability but if yours does and you've
> got too much time on your hands like I did that day, give it a try..I
think
> you'll like it too.




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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:39:40 -0600
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: RE: DMC Houston HiPo engine

Marc wrote:

> I have never drove or rode in a modified Houston car, so please know
> that while considering my opinions.
 
Since you aren't familiar with it, it understandable that much of what you
wrote was incorrect. My previous message to Scott and the DML should clear
up a number of your misconceptions, but a few things that you wrote that I
didn't want to attribute to Scott bear answering.

> 1.  Modified exhaust with dual CAT converters (Based on what I saw when
> inspecting the first converted car in Cleveland, it looks like the
> old-technology DMC cats were used).

First 'test' car had these catalytic converters on it. While the car has no
problem passing emissions with these installed, a modified catalytic
converter is technically illegal, and certainly not 50-state legal. All the
cars since have been installed with a 50-state legal dual catalytic
converter setup.
 
> Again, having never been inside a running Houston modified

Please do seek me out in Memphis, I will be happy to let you examine and
drive whatever car that we may bring to the event.

> extra 75% HP from a engine with just the items I list above.

197 vs 130 = about 50%, not 75%.
 
> I also hear second hand stories that the Houston car was on the track at

Our DeLorean was not at the track for the parade laps on Sunday. The car was
being delivered to Stephen's son, who drove up from Florida to pick it up,
and left later Saturday evening (the day before the track event) to get back
to Florida early. Perhaps the source of your 'second hand' story has it
confused with someone/something else.

Once, when driving our car with John Jordan earlier Saturday at the Rowing
Complex, Rob's green car was behind me and we played a little game of "race
and run" through the curves. For one reason or another, he didn't keep up
with me, and I attributed that more to his respect for the law than any
inability of his car, which I did not get the opportunity to drive (though
Rob did make the offer). Rob *did* drive our car, and the only comment I
seem to remember him making was that he thought it was too loud, similar to
Jim's comment earlier. I used to think it was too loud, too. Now, hearing
them in the shop all the time, I think the stock car sounds "too quiet". I
think that being used to the stock sound for so many years makes any drastic
change seem 'too much'. I think the saying is "to each his own".
 
James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas 

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com 




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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:40:42 -0000
From: "Jan van de Wouw" <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>
Subject: Re: Sunstar model questions & remarks

--- Walt wrote:
> What is the deal with the little dark dots in the front
> and rear lights?  It looks like the manufacture intended
> these to be windows for battery operated lights. 
> But I don't see any battery compartment.

Walt, you've somewhat disappointed me here!
I thought you'd catch this one yourself:
Those dots are the way the "lenses" are secured to the model; 
there's a hole in the die-cast body, then the lens is put on
with a small "pin" going through the hole and then the pin is
melted down to secure the lens. I haven't recieved my models yet,
but I can't say that it bothers me; most "real" headlights also
have a darker center caused by the bulb in the center, sometimes
covered with a special cap to direct the emitted light from the
bulb onto the mirror instead of straight out...

Greetings,

JAN van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:59:52 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: Sunstar model questions & remarks

Also interesting to note that the site will diplay recently created 
license plates as well. It was kinda funny to see a whole run of 
Delorean & BTTF related plates! :)

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Steven Lawrence" <vipertv_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> Go to: http://www.acme.com/licensemaker/
> 
> They offer every state's plate (old and new) and you can type 
anything you
> want.  I used it for my Sunstar DeLorean model!  Worth a shot if 
you would
> like to have a little brother of your real D.
> 
> Steven Lawrence
> vipertv_at_dml_c...
> Biloxi, Mississippi
> Still waiting to Live The Dream!




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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:33:49 EST
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: DMC engine upgrades (and warehouse move news)

James:

I maybe interested in one of these engines.  With all the specifications that 
are given, can you give us a simpler and real figures with a standard and 
automatic DeLorean, such as 0-60 in sec., time for a 1/4 mile run and the top 
speed?  Thanks.

Kayo Ong
#5508
Lic NY 9D


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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:50:02 EST
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: RE: DMC Houston HiPo engine

James:

What kind of muffler is used on your HiPo engines?  It isn't a Flowmaster?
Just curious.

Kayo Ong
#5508
Lic 9D NY


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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:29:11 -0700
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>
Subject: RE: TA bolt failures

Les said:
> what I'd really like is first hand
> experiences from those who have had bolt failure.  Did they limp home or
> did they have to be flat bedded?  What were the control problems when
> the bolt let go and the rear end dropped?
I can't say that I have experienced total failure (although I have seen
scary photos) but I nearly did.  Some years ago with an earlier car I made a
quick lane change on the freeway and almost smacked the Jersey barrier at
60+.  The car was suddenly so loose in the back it would almost change lanes
by itself.  I proceeded slowly home to discover one side had loosened up,
the shims had fallen out, and the bolt was bent into an "L" shape.  Now as
you can imagine I tend to maintain my cars pretty well, so this was a real
eye opener.  On the current car I regularly make sure they are tight and the
shims are in place, but it has bothered me a lot that they were also frozen
in place.  Since I had advance knowledge of the new "Toby Bolts" I was
waiting for them before attempting the task of pressing/cutting out the old
ones.  But personally I would do it if they were $100 apiece.  And since
they are military/aircraft spec they probably should be twice that.

-- 
Darryl Tinnerstet
THE ORIGINAL Specialty Automotive
McCleary, WA
www.delorean-parts.com




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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:05:04 -0600
From: Scott Arnold <scott-c-arnold_at_dml_home.com>
Subject: Re: DMC Houston HiPo engine

Adam,

No, I am referring to the modified naturally aspirated engine (no forced induction).  I
didn't realize DMC Houston did any twin turbos.

Also, is that supposed to be your VIN following your name?  Surely not, because I am
pretty sure that 6683 is in MY garage, not yours.  Maybe there was a time travel
accident?

Adam Price wrote:

> When you say "high output" engine are you talking about the twin turbo?
> Adam vin 6683
>
> >From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
> >Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> >To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
> >CC: <scott-c-arnold_at_dml_home.com>
> >Subject: RE: [DML] DMC Houston HiPo engine
> >Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:13:38 -0500
> >
> >I have never drove or rode in a modified Houston car, so please know
> >that while considering my opinions.
> >
> >
> >When this engine was first made available, I asked a number of detailed
> >questions about what was modified.  Best I could put together was:
> >
> [Moderator snip]
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:57:27 -0600
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Responses to James Espey Post

Listmembers

As you may imagine, there have been some
lengthy replies to James' post about 
delorean magazine.  To give everyone 
an opportunity to respond and to keep the
list on topic, I will collect up all
related posts sent to the list until
7:00pm Central time Tuesday.  At that
time, I will send all of the posts that
pass our moderating criteria to the list
all at once.  There will be NO opportunity
for rebuttal, as I will close the 
thread at the same time.  Any additional
discussion will have to happen off-list.

Mike G - Moderator of the Week



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