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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 800
Date: Sunday, November 25, 2001 7:22 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: VERY IMPORTANT!!! TA Bolt bracket bolts
From: tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com

2. Re: Sunstar Cars.....I did not get mine yet from USADMC
From: "Michael Quinto" <mquinto_at_dml_mediaone.net>

3. Re: Re:ORIGINAL logos & copyrights
From: Robert Greenhaw <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>

4. New DeLorean Website
From: Grigor Maksudyan <delorean66_at_dml_yahoo.com>

5. E-mail address
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>

6. Re: Minor electrical problem...
From: "Jan van de Wouw" <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>

7. Re: Minor(?) electrical problem...
From: "Stian Birkeland" <delorean_at_dml_online.no>

8. Accident...
From: Jan van de Wouw <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>

9. Minor(?) electrical problem...
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

10. Another POLL question
From: Watkins Family <watbmv_at_dml_megalink.net>

11. The bolts
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

12. RE: Sunstar Cars.....I did not get mine yet from USADMC
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

13. O2 sensor removal
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>

14. Re: Headlight Switch / Signaling with your lights
From: "Jan van de Wouw" <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl>

15. Re: Sunstar Cars.....I did not get mine yet from USADMC
From: sgcurtis_at_dml_juno.com

16. Re: Re: Oxygen sensor / Lamder probe
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>

17. I GOT MINE!!!
From: "Scott Duke" <s1lvrdo_at_dml_hotmail.com>

18. Re: Re: Headlight Switch / Signaling with your lights
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

19. Re: Re: Minor(?) electrical problem...
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

20. Re: Re: logos & trademarks
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

21. Minor electrical problem revised...
From: "Adam Price" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

22. Re: Re: logos & copyrights
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

23. Re: Two-tone interiors.
From: "Adam Price" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

24. Re: Minor electrical problem revised...
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com

25. Re: Re: logos & trademarks
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>





Message: 1
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 07:27:16 -0000
From: tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com
Subject: Re: VERY IMPORTANT!!! TA Bolt bracket bolts

About 3 years ago, I had a similar incident.  The left side started 
to make some "unfriendly noises", and when I investigated, I found 
one bracket bolt missing, and the other bolt sheared off.  The only 
thing that was keeping that side together was that the TA bolt was 
still intact, and the flat washers were "capturing" the bracket so 
that it couldn't go through the hole in the frame rail.  I heartily 
second this strong recommendation.  This incident caused me to really 
look at the configuration of the rear suspension, which ultimately 
inspired me to develop my new TA bolts.  These are great cars, but we 
must all be diligent.

Toby Peterson  VIN 2248
Winged1


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., mark_at_dml_w... wrote:
> A friend had loose rear-end, so I STRONGLY recommend we check his 
TA 
> Bolts last night. Well, not only was the right rear bolt bent, but 
> one of the bolts was COMPLETELY MISSING from the TA Bolt bracket. 
The 
> bracket had been sliding up and down, just waiting for the other 
bolt 
> to break off. That's right...only one little bolt was holding the 
> entire thing on there (it was the bolt closest to the rear of the 
car 
> that remained).
> 
> So...When you are checking your trailing arm bolts, CHECK THE 
BRACKET 
> BOLTS TOO!!! In fact, check ALL the important suspension bolts.




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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 23:29:25 -0800
From: "Michael Quinto" <mquinto_at_dml_mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: Sunstar Cars.....I did not get mine yet from USADMC

*****  Moderator's Note  *****
The best way to sort out problems with orders for the
Sunstar models is to contact the place you ordered from.


I ordered two cars only received one.
I thought there might have been a mix up.
Regards
Mike
vin#1113


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
To: "Dmcnews (E-mail)" <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 6:22 PM
Subject: [DML] Sunstar Cars.....I did not get mine yet from USADMC


> I have not gotten my car yet from Delorean in Houston.....Is there a
> backlog?  Did anyone else not get theirs?  I ordered in August.
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 01:49:09 -0600
From: Robert Greenhaw <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Re: Re:ORIGINAL logos & copyrights

Hi Everyone!

Actually, DMC Houston does NOT own the original 
DMC logo...heh, no one does!  :  )

It's been cancelled since 1985.  

The one Houston owns/ holds rights to is only a STYLIZED
version of the original!  If you look close, it has a slight white
border outlining the "DMC" lettering.

I checked into this a couple of months ago, and checked again
a few minutes ago.  

Either way, I say LET it say dead!  That way John DeLorean
has a chance to get his logo back if/ when another car comes out!  :  )

If anyone questions my credibility, here's the link:

http://tess.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?state=rafq1v.9.1&f=toc&a_search=&p_s_A
LL=DELOREAN

Read numbers 2 and 8.

If the above link doesn't work, go to http://www.ustpo.com , do a
Trademark Search, click 
"Search the Dictionary", then type "DeLorean".  Again, numbers 2 & 8.  

Later Days,
Robert G.

PS-Seems Ephesians 6:12 owns the rights to the "DeLorean" name as well as
the "Busheido"
name.  If you read the "Goods and Services" part, it lists that it is/
was intended for motor 
vehicles and vehicle-related accessories. 
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 01:11:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Grigor Maksudyan <delorean66_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: New DeLorean Website


Hi,

I just wanted to announce the opening of my new website. Please check it out, and I hope you like it. Be the first one to sign the guestbook! Thank you all very much.

www.delorean.8k.com

Greg M.



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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:09:37 -0000
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: E-mail address

Chris Spratt, I'm trying to reply to you e-mail, however It just bounces back to me!!!

What is your correct e-mail address

Cheers

Paul


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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:21:21 -0000
From: "Jan van de Wouw" <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>
Subject: Re: Minor electrical problem...

--- In dmcnews, Adam Price wrote:
> I just pulled all my fuses and tested the current across them.
> Sure enough my Courtesies circuit is pulling 1.35 Amps even
> while the engine is off.

Is this with, or without one or both doors open?
I'd pull the delay (white relay-like thing, bottom row, 3rd position) 
to see if this is causing you problems; the internal transistor could 
have shortcircuited. 
Also check ALL switches. So not only the switches for the doors, but 
also the trunk and engine bay since they all run from this same 
circuit. 

Best would be to pull the delay and disconnect all switches, then 
re-connecte them one after another; once you see the current go up
you know the culprit.
 
> Disturbingly, my cigar lighter/radio fuse has a small amount
> (13.3 mA) across it as well even with the lighter pulled out.

This would be normal: your clock (if equipped) runs off of this
circuit too and your radio saves its memories with power from
that circuit. I wouldn't worry about this.

Good luck,

JAN van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:38:44 +0100
From: "Stian Birkeland" <delorean_at_dml_online.no>
Subject: Re: Minor(?) electrical problem...

I had a similar problem. My problem turned out to be "only" draining of the battery. My door switches looked fine, the plastic tabs were on, still the door switches didn't do their job. Replaced them, same thing happened.

But then - DMC Joe to the rescue!

I strongly recommend you buy his "Door Light Battery Saver"

You can then turn your door lights on/off with the push of a button. The whole thing is fused and comes with a little box. My plan is to use the new on/off switches from DMC Houston together with DMC Joes little invention. 

Of everything I have replaced on my DeLorean, the 3 things that have made me very happy and have made the DeLorean a better sportscar are these: 

1) 4 lowering springs and new shocks from DMC Houston, 
2) FanZilla from PJ Grady and 
3) DMC Joes Door Light Battery Saver.

For those of you who didn't know, DMC Houston offers a new on/off switch that is a replica of the dummy switches on the centre console. I plan to use one for the door lights, and the other one for a rear fog light for added safety. The process of making your rear lights  to also function as fog lights can be found in the Tech Section at the DMCNEWS page. Replace your dummy switches today! :-)

Best wishes
Mr. Stian Birkeland
Norway

VIN # 06759

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Adam Price" <acprice1_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> 
> Hello I recently bought a delorean and have discovered an annoying 
problem. 
> I noticed my courtesies lights were off one day so checked the fuse 
and it 
> was blown. I tried replacing the fuse but it would only last for a 
few days 
> and then pop again. Foolishly I put another fuse in two days ago and 
drove 
> it to work. After work I noticed that the courtesies lights were 
again off 
> so I checked the fuse. the fuse was intact this time so I was 
confused until 
> I tried to start the car. My battery was drained!!!!!
> 
> So I have concluded that I have a short to ground somewhere in the 
wiring 
> for the courtesies. THe battery had enough power to pop the fuse, 
but as I 
> kept replacing the fuse, the battery drained a bit more every time 
and the 
> final time it didnt have enough power to pop the fuse so it just sat 
there 
> and drained.
> 
> So my questions are thus: Does my conclusion sound accurate? Has 
this ever 
> happened to anyone else? Where do you think the short may be?
> 
> Thanks, Adam 16683 two-tone interior
> 
> 



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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:35:23 +0100
From: Jan van de Wouw <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>
Subject: Accident...

Hello everyone,

I had hoped it would never happen to me, but unfortunately it has;
I've been in an accident with my DeLorean...

There was no personal injury, that's most important,
but my beloved DeLorean HAS sustained damage.

I was driving home from work in my D, which I had taken to show to some new
people at work, going about 75mph on the highway when the car in front of me
suddenly slammed the brakes for no apparent reason.
In an attempt to not hit him I slammed my brakes too and steered to the left
as he was going right, but as I did so my rear wheels locked up, causing my
car to spin 225 degrees.
I attribute it to me taking two drivers courses that I didn't hit any thing
or any one; I was able to "control" the car somewhat which resulted in the
car stopping in the median only 2 inches from the center guide rail, with
the nose pointing to where I came from.
The *%^&_at_dml_!$^%T&* that slammed his brakes in front of me didn't even stop!

Unfortunately the RR suspension is heavily damaged due to the sudden
sideways forces applied when the wheel slid from the asphalt into the soft,
grassy median. The mountingpoints for the brake caliper broke off of the hub
carrier, taking a piece of support for the bearings with it.

I had to call the police to block the -now oncoming- traffic, so I could
point the car the right way round again because of the large turning circle
our cars have.

When I was on the side shoulder we went round the car to check for damage,
everything SEEMED OK, so the cops left for another call, and I got in to
drive home.

Well that was not such a good idea; as I tried to get up to speed the car
made weird noises and didn't feel right. This made me decide to stop at the
next park/rest-place, about half a miule from where I spun.

Safely at the side of the parking I checked underneath and saw my driveshaft
pointing down instead of out and I could SMELL some burned stuff.

To make a long story a bit shorter; I had the car flatbedded home and have
been making arrangements with my insurance and workshop to get everything
fixed. I'm glad I have good insurance; every thing is damaged, even the fan
cowl! This is kind of funny; the ONLY damage I have at the front is that the
support for one of the fans snapped a piece, probably when being pulled up
onto the flatbed...

As I said up above; most important s that I'm OK, my car can be fixed, but
it will be expensive; I'm still researching the parts cost, but so far I'm
up to about $2800,- in parts only (OUCH! Thank god for insurance!).

I put some pictures in the Photo's section at yahoo groups, see them at:

http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/lst?.dir=/Suspension_Damage_%23
05141

Let's hope I can have my car back on the road before X-mas, if not I'm
afraid it's going to take even longer due to the holidays then.

Greetings from a somewhat sad

JAN van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

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I will be changing E e-mail adresses soon; please use <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl> from
now on. <jan_at_dml_vdwouw.demon.nl> will cease to work in the near future.




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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 08:52:15 -0600
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Minor(?) electrical problem...

Adam,

The small current draw across the radio fuse may be caused by the memory in
the radio.

Scott Mueller
DMCNEWS 002981
DOA 5031


Minor(?) electrical problem...





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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 08:14:04 -0500
From: Watkins Family <watbmv_at_dml_megalink.net>
Subject: Another POLL question

List,

I've created a new Poll for the list.  It's in regards to our coolant
header bottles and thier advertised tendency to rupture....or do they?
Take a peep and vote. Let find out just how sturdy these are...

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/polls


Tom Watkins
#005732  MT
visit me at:
http://www.geocities.com/outatime81/




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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 08:14:00 +0000
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: The bolts

Data is difficult to obtain, I've been trying to get first hand
information on actual bolt failures, it appears to be very rare.
Bending is common, factory torquing, at least early on, was improper and
allowed the loosening which allowed the bending.  From this point I get
into VIN numbers and the rain belt and the snow belt.  Given the many
100,000 mile equivalency tests and the rigorous shakedown tests the cars
were put through it's reasonable that bolt corrections as to type and
tensioning took place along with the many other updates as assembly
continued.  The two who came out with first hand failure experience,
Toby and Darryl, both have very low VIN numbers, not very far apart.
Mileage alone doesn't really tell you anything, a properly torqued bolt
on a late VIN may go forever and an improperly torqued bolt on an early
VIN, may fail with very low miles.

A poll based solely upon mileage, not factoring in other conditions, is
merely a curiosity.




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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 08:52:18 -0600
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Sunstar Cars.....I did not get mine yet from USADMC

Kevin,
Did you call Houston and ask?

Scott Mueller
DMCNEWS 002981
DOA 5031

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Abato [mailto:delorean_at_dml_abato.net]

Subject: [DML] Sunstar Cars.....I did not get mine yet from USADMC


I have not gotten my car yet from Delorean in Houston.....Is there a
backlog?  Did anyone else not get theirs?  I ordered in August.





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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:42:28 -0000
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: O2 sensor removal

This goes out to all of you who gave me advice on removing this pain in the a**e object.

Thanks

I took a bit of everyones help.

Soakes the sensor in penitrating oil, and went out

Bought a new 22mm ring spanner as long as I could get. New gas bottle for my blow torch and some other bits.

Got straight under the car when I got home Blow torched the sensor til it was red hot slipped on the spanner and gave it a bash with the hammer, and it turned first time ;-)

I don't know if it was one or all processes that worked but its done now.

This is the first time since I got the car that it has had a working O2 sensor. At first the engine was a nightmare, wouldn't idle and was trying to stall under accelleration, after maybe 5mins it settled down and is fine now, and on top of that the petrol smell has gone from the exhust which is what I was hoping for.

Thanks again

Paul
#6463




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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:21:50 -0000
From: "Jan van de Wouw" <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl>
Subject: Re: Headlight Switch / Signaling with your lights

--- In dmcnews, Robert wrote:
> Hmm, that's odd. I was always told that flashing your lights
> was aggressive, and blacking them out was passive.

I hadn't thought of it like that, but personally I see one or two 
SHORT flashes as a courtesy signal, a LONG, un interupted 
flash on the high beams is to warn someone on a dangerous 
manouver.
 
> For instance, if I'm driving and someone wants to turn
> in front of  me (lane change, or entering roadway),
> and it's unsafe, I will  flash my high beams to tell them 'no'.

That's where I would give them a LONG flash 
and/or a long honk on the horns.

> But, if someone needs to  get over, and it's safe to pass
> (like a truck changing lanes to get  to an off ramp, etc...)

I've allways learned to give trucks on hard manouvers some 
extra spaceand knowing some truckies I know it is an 
international rule of the trade to give a truck a short flash 
when it is safe to get into your lane. To thank you for doing 
this the truckdriver usually gives a LEFT-RIGHT-LEFT 
on the turn signals.

So when signaling something is Okay tot do 
a SHORT flash is the thing to do for me.

> I've always killed my lights to let them know 
> ther're clear to move.

I like the idea, but when driving in the dark you can't see 
where you're going because of this. 
That's the reason that the Low Beams stay on when you
PULL the stalk for a flash; this way when you release the 
stalk the lows don't heve to come on again. 
When you PUSH the stalk the lows go out and the highs 
come on permanently, cutting the lows cuts down on power 
usage AND limits heat build up in the light units.

> I guess it's just differant all over...

I guess it is, but that is what makes being part of 
such an international group fun.

Greetings from the Netherlands,

JAN van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

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I will be changing E e-mail adresses soon; please use
<jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl> 
from now on. <jan_at_dml_vdwouw.demon.nl> will cease to work in the near
future.










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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:44:42 -0700
From: sgcurtis_at_dml_juno.com
Subject: Re: Sunstar Cars.....I did not get mine yet from USADMC

I got my car last week, I believe I ordered in August as well...



>Message: 20
>   Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 21:22:56 -0500
>   From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
>Subject: Sunstar Cars.....I did not get mine yet from USADMC
>
>I have not gotten my car yet from Delorean in Houston.....Is there a
>backlog?  Did anyone else not get theirs?  I ordered in August.




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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:20:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Oxygen sensor / Lamder probe

Would it work to just run the car for a little bit to heat up the exhaust?

-Christian

On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net wrote:

> The best way to remove it is to heat the fitting it screws into with
> an acetalyne torch. If you don't have one find a muffler shop to do it



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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:35:02 -0500
From: "Scott Duke" <s1lvrdo_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: I GOT MINE!!!

*****  Moderator's Note  *****
We have established that the models are shipping from 
Houston.  If you ordered and have not yet received your
model, please contact them.  This will end this thread.

I got mine and i love it!! The drivers door stays up but the passenger does 
not. Needless to say Im tickled to death.


Scott

future driver of dmc


>From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>To: "Dmcnews \(E-mail\)" <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [DML] Sunstar Cars.....I did not get mine yet from USADMC
>Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 21:22:56 -0500
>
>I have not gotten my car yet from Delorean in Houston.....Is there a
>backlog?  Did anyone else not get theirs?  I ordered in August.
>
>
>
>To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address:
>moderator_at_dml_dmcnews.com
>
>To search the archives or view files, log in at 
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:47:03 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Re: Headlight Switch / Signaling with your lights

In the UK/Ireland, flashing lights usually means "you first" or equivalent - ie an "okay
by me" signal.

If someone pulls out in front of me, I too give a long high-beam "glare". You can also
flash to say "thanks" but it winds me up when people do this in the dark because it
blinds the person you're thanking! What I do is switch off and switch on dipped beam,
though it's difficult to do in the DeLorean. Both my citroens' headlight switches are
rotary knobs on the tip of the indicator stalk, making a quick off/on very easy.

In France, and on the continent, flashing means "me first", and in Egypt, they don't use
headlights at all except by flashing to say "i'm heading towards you" from a distance,
otherwise only using sidelights. It's a very strange experience being in a car in egypt
at night!

Martin
#1458

Jan van de Wouw wrote:

> --- In dmcnews, Robert wrote:
> > Hmm, that's odd. I was always told that flashing your lights
> > was aggressive, and blacking them out was passive.
>
> I hadn't thought of it like that, but personally I see one or two
> SHORT flashes as a courtesy signal, a LONG, un interupted
> flash on the high beams is to warn someone on a dangerous
> manouver.

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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:50:52 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Re: Minor(?) electrical problem...

Stian, I've written up a better way to do this in the Tech section at www.delorean.co.uk My car passed its first MOT last thursday, my fogs went through fine.

Martin (Electronic Engineer :-)
#1458

Stian Birkeland wrote:

> The process of making your rear lights  to also function as fog lights can be found in the Tech Section at the DMCNEWS page. Replace your dummy switches today! :-)
>
> Best wishes
> Mr. Stian Birkeland
> Norway
>
> VIN # 06759




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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:50:50 -0500
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Re: logos & trademarks


Yet more other interesting Delorean Trademarks:

The (still pending) logo trademark of "DELOREAN" in the standard Delorean
"bumper" font was applied for by: "Ephesians 6:12 Incorporated" whose
address is in Bedminster, NJ.   Interesting, considering where JZD lives.

Even more interesting is the actual Bible text from Ephesians 6:12:

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities,
against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against
spiritual wickedness in high places."

Very telling, no?

-Hank  #1619





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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:23:33 -0800
From: "Adam Price" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Minor electrical problem revised...

Thanks to all who helped me so far. I have performed some more tests. I also 
straightened up the wires and mounts for the door switches to be safe.

I measured the current through the Courtesies circuit with the right door 
open, it gives 1.35A. The left door alone gives 1.20A. Both doors open 
simultasneously gives 2.55A. With both doors closed it reads 0.00A!!!! So 
the doors arent the problem.

The engine compartment light does not come on. The bulb doesnt look burnt 
out. The switch one the other hand was falling out the bottom of its little 
switch housing. So to be sure I completely removed the switch. Current still 
zero. Then i used an extra fuse to hook the two wire connectors that go to 
the switch together. Current is still zero even with the engine compartment 
light shorted. So my engine compartment light has its own open problem 
somewhere else, but at least it isnt shorted.

The switch to the front luggage compartemnt works fine turning the light on 
and off as normal. The fuse I first thought (and is labeled) for the 
radio/clock/cigar lighter, actually is my windows fuse. So my windows 
circuit is the one pulling the 13.3mA. Does this mean my solenoids are going 
bad?

But I did find something important.
>From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [DML] Minor(?) electrical problem...
>Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 08:52:15 -0600
>
>Adam,
>
>The small current draw across the radio fuse may be caused by the memory in
>the radio.
>
>Scott Mueller
>DMCNEWS 002981
>DOA 5031
>
>
>Minor(?) electrical problem...
>
>
>
>
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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 03:15:08 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Re: logos & copyrights

> The DMC logo was officially registered THIS YEAR 9/25/2001 by Houston.
> This also ran out in 1985, so was unregistered from 1985 until this
> year.

I bet that DMC Houston will have a very hard time defending any
infringements on this copyright since it has technically been in the public
domain from 1985-2001.  There was a similar problem with a copyright
concerning the Diver's Down Flag (the red flag with the diagonal white
stripe.)  Someone had a copyright to this many many years ago but never
enforced it.  Eventually it became part of the logo for just about every
dive shop in the world.  When they went to enforce their copyright, they
couldn't.  I bet a similar thing might happen with DMC Houston.  People have
been producing the DMC logo in various forms now for several years.  If
Houston tries to get a cease & decist order at this point, I bet it will be
a moot point.  (and probably bad for their business anyway.)

Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 22:12:42 -0800
From: "Adam Price" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Two-tone interiors.


I don't think it is a very special thing. My interior has black leather, 
seats, dash etc, but the carpets are grey. I think Many cars are like this. 
If not you could just buy grey carpets and use them instead.

Adam

>From: "Jeff" <Gr8old1_at_dml_aol.com>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [DML] Two-tone interiors.
>Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 23:03:44 -0000
>
>I was browsing the Excite page earlier today and came across an ad
>for a D for sale featuring "The rare two-tone interior". Supposedly
>this is as the owner says "one of 25 known to exist". I had never
>heard of this before and was wondering about the validity of such
>claims.
>
>-Jeff Chabotte
>Norwich, CT
>Striving for the dream
>
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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:17:04 EST
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Minor electrical problem revised...

In a message dated 11/25/01 7:43:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com writes:

<< The switch to the front luggage compartemnt works fine turning the light 
on 
 and off as normal. The fuse I first thought (and is labeled) for the 
 radio/clock/cigar lighter, actually is my windows fuse. So my windows 
 circuit is the one pulling the 13.3mA. Does this mean my solenoids are going 
 bad? >>

Adam,

    What do door lock solenoids have to do with your window regulators 
working or not?

Later,
Nick Pitello
1852
<A HREF="Http://members.aol.com/njp548">Http://members.aol.com/njp548</A>



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Message: 25
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:16:50 -0500
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Re: logos & trademarks


Just two more comments about Houston's claim to the "DMC" trademark.

They have filed for and gained official registration for:

"WORDS, LETTERS, AND/OR NUMBERS IN STYLIZED FORM." Specifically, the "DMC"
logo as it looks on the front grill, with white outlines. (see
http://tess.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=doc&state=ekkdm3.4.1 as posted
previously).

Also, this mark is only registered in only two  international classes:
12 - Goods and Services: Automobiles and structural parts.
35 - Automobile dealerships

So, as it stands, other people can still register other stylizations of
"DMC" as long as they are not in the same international classes, and/or do
not look exactly the same.  (The "and/or" is up for legal interpretation of
your mark(s)).  You also can't just file for a trademark like you can buy a
domain name - you have to prove that your mark was been used in real
interstate commerce.

So, just for argument-sake, I could (but I won't) start selling coffee mugs
and t-shirts with the same DMC logo, then apply for my own trademark in the
classes associated with those items.  Houston could challenge the trademark
when it is published for opposition, and it would be up to the Trademark
office to decide if I was infringing on Houston's trademark.   If you look
at the trademarks for "HARRY POTTER", they've registered under almost every
possible class - covering all their bases.  Of course, since this is all
legal stuff and IANAL, use at your own risk, YMMV, yadda, yadda, yadda.
;)

-Hank  #1619





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