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Date: Thursday, November 29, 2001 2:07 PM

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There are 20 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re.Steering rack?

2. Re: Delorean vin 502 for sale!
From: "Stian Birkeland" <>

3. Re: Sterling - Nereia!!!
From: E Grauff <>

4. DeLorean One and DMC Houston???
From: "Adam Price" <>

5. Re: Radio removal?

6. Re: Low Gas Light

7. twin turbo

8. Re: Starting Problems

9. Re: Minor electrical problem revised...
From: "DMC Joe" <>

10. Machine Watch

11. Hot start problem.
From: "Mads de Bruin" <>

12. Re: A DeLorean taxi?
From: "Walter" <>

13. Re: Steering rack?
From: "DMC Joe" <>

14. Re: How's #1458 going?
From: "DMC Joe" <>

15. Re: Re: Starting Problems
From: "DMC Joe" <>

16. Re: Low Gas Light
From: "Walter" <>

17. Re: The bolts
From: "DMC Joe" <>

18. PRV?

19. RE: Re: Low Gas Light
From: "Buckner, William" <>

20. DeLorean vs. Alpine A310 Question.

Message: 1
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:30:04 -0000
Subject: Re.Steering rack?

Hi all,

I saw a DeLorean steering wheel for sale on ebay a few weeks ago and 
the chap who was selling it said it had come off his Volvo. It was a 
proper DeLorean steering wheel and so there must be a Volvo hub that 
fits the wheel.


James RG


Message: 2
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:06:54 +0100
From: "Stian Birkeland" <>
Subject: Re: Delorean vin 502 for sale!

Funny...did you know that ZWEI TURBO is german for TWIN TURBO? (two turbos)
Why would someone write this in german on the rear fascia? Just curious... If Legend did the turbos maybe they used german components? I immediately came to think of Porsche... does anyone else knows anything about this?

Best wishes
Stian Birkeland

VIN # 06759

Message: 4
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:58:47 -0000
Subject: Re: Delorean vin 502 for sale!


But there are a couple of things that I'm curious about. The 
photos in the book show the words "ZWEI TURBO" written on the 
rear facia, and on the stainless below the rear. Perhaps this was  
later removed by DMC when deciding upon side treatments & 
designs. As are the 2nd items here which appear to be the 
brass badges that say "Twin Turbo Prototype" all over the car. If 
this was used for display purposes durring shows and such, 
then it would make sense.

vin 6585 "X"

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:04:23 -0800 (PST)
From: E Grauff <>
Subject: Re: Sterling - Nereia!!!

[Moderator - I understand if you don't post this one!]

[Moderator Response: Thank you for the clarification that this car DOES NOT have gullwing doors.  Please do not repond with a discussion of every gullwing kitcar ever made.  - Mike Substelny]

I rode in a Sterling as a kid - the whole roof rises up.  A wild ride
though - felt so low to the ground.

One kit car that does feature gull wing doors is the Nereia - I believe
it's a spin off of the Nova/Sterling.  The fellow that makes them has been
doing it for at least 10 or 15 years - and when he's not building yachts
he's making the kit cars - so you can bet that the fiberglass is great. (I
don't own one, don't work for him, but hope to buy one some day.)

One page to see the car is at:

Photo gallery at:

On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 wrote:

> I don't know if this will make it past the moderator, but awhile ago
> on the list I mentioned a kit car an acquaintence of mine had that
> made an interesting crusing partner for a D.  I just found out what it
> was, a Nova/Sterling kit car.  (See
> Has anyone on the list ever seen one of these cars or teamed up with
> one in any fashion?  Next to the Bricklin, these are the only other
> exotic door cars I have seen that seem to have a wide circulation.  I
> guess they were big in the 70s, pre-DeLorean days.
> Richard


Message: 4
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:13:06 -0800
From: "Adam Price" <>
Subject: DeLorean One and DMC Houston???

I am new to the Delorean. So DeLorean One and DMC Houston are separate 
companies? But DMC Houston at one time was a Delorean One facility? So what 

D1 wants 60,000 for a refurbished car, while DMC Houston wants 30,000... 
Also if you were going to buy a refurbished car, or have on refurbished who 
would you rather bring it to??

Adam 16683

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:32:55 EST
Subject: Re: Radio removal?

>i couldn't figure out how to get
>the rubber vent to fit back together.  Any suggestions?

With the vent assembly removed, install just the rubber boots, properly 
oriented (they are not symetrical), to the dash board duct work. Remove both 
vent assemblies from the vent assembly housing by gently prying them out 
towards the front, at the end where the pivot detent is located. Be careful 
to note how the star shaped retainer at the opposite end is assembled to the 
vent as it may fall off when you pop out the vent. Install the empty vent 
housing and massage the boots onto the housing through the now wide open vent 
openings. Then pop the vents back into the housing assembly with the star 
shaped retainers properly oriented.


Message: 6
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:01:36 EST
Subject: Re: Low Gas Light

Willie, Take it out and send it to me. There is more than one thing to do to 
make it come on a little early. It's not an exact science, but like I said , 
it starts flashing at you a little first,  then when after a while it goes 
solid I still have about a gallon left.
John hervey


Message: 7
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:57:32 -0000
Subject: twin turbo

does anyone have any info on how i can obtain a twin turbo for the 
DeLorean? i live in NY but dont get along with PJ grady (he carged me 
for somthing i didnt want done) so i cant go to him, but if anyone 
has any idea on what i can do let me know


Message: 8
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:04:08 EST
Subject: Re: Starting Problems

Jason Are you an automatic or a standard.and what vin #.


Message: 9
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:03:25 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <>
Subject: Re: Minor electrical problem revised...

Your short circuit problem is located in your engine compartment light
fixture. If you inspect the fixture you will notice that there is a copper
strip assembly that is part of the lamp holder. A rubber insulator isolates
the contact at one end of the lamp holder. Over time the insulator will dry
rot and cause the two copper contacts to come into contact with each other
resulting in a short circuit. In some cases the insulator is completely
missing. Check to see if this is your problem.

It also appears that you have a problem with the adjustments of your door
switches. David  responded with accurate trouble shooting information
concerning your battery drain problem.

Seasons Greetings
DeLorean Help
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Price" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 7:23 PM
Subject: [DML] Minor electrical problem revised...

> .............. So my engine compartment light has its own open problem
> somewhere else, but at least it isnt shorted.


Message: 10
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:42:49 -0000
Subject: Machine Watch

Group, I posted a picture on the web site of the Machine Watch we 
were talking about last week. Wish the SunStar had the pistons on the 
Delorean door like the watch. It's on the front page. I will also see 
about getting some from the supplier.
John hervey


Message: 11
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 07:53:20 -0000
From: "Mads de Bruin" <>
Subject: Hot start problem.

It has been a while since I put my question on the list but I (we) 
found the problem and I wanted to let you all know for future 

My problem was: When my engine was hot and turned it off and started 
it again a few minutes later, it would rev up to 3000 to 3500 RPM.
When I was at the gasstation and had filled up my tank and started 
the car again, I was a little ashamed about the noise.
Well, I got some tips from a few people on this list but because I'm 
not really comfortable with auto mechanics I wasn't really able to 
solve it myself.
This weekend I visited a club member who has more experience. First 
we replaced the coldstart valve(102372) but that didn't make a 
difference. Then we replaced the control pressure regulator(102353) 
but that didn't do much good either.
Well after some more work like removing the catalytic converter and 
the Air valve inlet, we replaced the Idle speed ECU(106896)and BINGO, 
away was my problem!
Now it starts up easy, even when he's cold, and starts to idle really 

Mads de Bruin


Message: 12
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 03:10:52 -0500
From: "Walter" <>
Subject: Re: A DeLorean taxi?

My suggestion is to do a pizza delivery business instead.  The work is much
more steady and the passengers would stay warm neatly sitting over the
engine compartment.  The pizza sign would fit neatly in the center of the
T-panel.  I'm sure that the car would draw a lot of attention and may even
be shown on the local news.  That would be good for business, but I wouldn't
expect to get a lot of tips.  People would think you are rolling in dough --
not pizza dough; I mean the green stuff.

To take the taxi idea seriously, there are laws that you probably could not
meet.  Depending on the state, a vehicle used as a taxi must meet the
current safety requirements.  (I don't know if this part is federal or
state.)  All new vehicles meet these requirements or they would not be able
to be sold.  An older vehicle may not meet these requirements, but if
already placed in service as a taxi when new then it is grandfathered in.
Chances are the DeLorean is too outdated to meet these requirements.  Not to
mention that many states have laws that specify that taxis must have seats
that do not absorb liquids, i.e., be covered in tough vinyl.  Then you may
be expected to rivet an extra metal license plate on the back of the

I would say that your best chances of success would be to do the stretch
limo like Marc suggested.  While you are stretching it, maybe you could make
it a side-loading hearse.  I would like to see a digitally edited photo to
make one look like a patrol car.  That would be funny.

I'm surprised that the moderator let this thread start.  I'm sure whoever it
was is getting flack from the others.  :)

Walt    Tampa, FL

[Moderator Note: Actually, I have not had a single complaint about this thread.  But it seems as though it has now run its course.   - Mike Substelny]


Message: 13
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:16:39 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <>
Subject: Re: Steering rack?

The DeLorean steering rack is exclusive to the DeLorean with no crossovers.

Seasons Greetings
DeLorean Help
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cameron Putsch" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 11:45 AM
Subject: [DML] Steering rack?

> I have been wanting to put a Momo wheel on my car for a while now(as have
others), but Momo did not make a hub for a Delorean. I was wondering if the
rack is at all the same or similar to another manufacturer like Renault or
Volvo. Will a volvo or renault steering wheel fit?
> Casey at


Message: 14
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:29:26 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <>
Subject: Re: How's #1458 going?


You said:

"The fuse had overheated gluing itself (though not too badly)
into the socket. A trip to Halfords at lunchtime yesterday for a box of
assorted fuses and she's back up and running with some spare fuses in
the relay compartment!"

This is a common problem and requires that a heavy duty in-line fuse holder
be installed to substitute for the fuse block fuse holder. If not replaced
the same fuse will continue to melt. If the problem is not corrected the
damaged fuse contacts will cause adjoining fuse contacts to overheat and
melt. To reduce heat build up in the fuse block do not install the black
fuse block cover.

Seasons Greetings
DeLorean Help
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Gutkowski" <>
To: <>; <>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 5:18 PM
Subject: [DML] How's #1458 going?

> Well, last thursday I went home in the evening.................


Message: 15
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:52:36 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <>
Subject: Re: Re: Starting Problems


You said:
>.......after sitting for a few hrs, i went to leave and she clicked like a
starter< >problem. then i herd a *pop* and the car lost ALL electricity! >

Your problem may be related to a bad battery ground connection. Inspect the
main battery ground at the left hand trailing arm bushing fastener.

You asked:
>"Oh and one more thing, i know my AC needs charging, but will thet cure the
> DEEP surge i have when driving or is there another fix, like the fan fix,
> but for ac compressors?"

No; the deep surge is caused by the compressor and both high current cooling
fans all turning on at the same time. A bad battery ground will increase the
voltage loss when the AC switches on. The only practical solution to the AC
current surge problem is to install the TankZilla fuel sender up grade from
PJ Grady and DeLorean Services.

Seasons Greetings
DeLorean Help

----- Original Message -----
From: "skipper landry" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 3:34 AM
Subject: Re: [DML] Re: Starting Problems


Message: 16
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 03:24:43 -0500
From: "Walter" <>
Subject: Re: Low Gas Light

My personal experience:
The OEM fuel sender has a wire that broke causing the float to jam.  This
wire is one of the conductors that operate the low fuel warning light.  If
your light never comes on, then maybe this wire is broken.  I hear that many
OEM fuel senders have this happen.  If you are having problems with yours,
then John Hervey is the man to send it to for repair if you don't opt for
the TankZilla.

With my new TankZilla, the low fuel light tends to start flickering on at
around 1/8th of a tank.

Several times I have purposely ran my DeLorean out of fuel.  For city
driving, you have plenty of warning because the fuel sloshes away from the
baffle causing the fuel pump to suck air.  The car bucks, and you may hear a
farting/gurgling noise as the bubbles run through the fuel lines.  The last
time I ran my car out of fuel, I drove around 30 miles from the time it
started bucking to the time where it was sucking enough air that I stopped
because I was worried that I might damage the fuel pump running it dry.  So
I confidently say that these cars give plenty of warning before they totally
run dry.  But that is for city driving where you have plenty of stops &
starts to cause the baffle to momentarily run dry.  Highway driving probably
wouldn't give you the same warning.

Walt    Tampa, FL


Message: 17
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:59:03 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <>
Subject: Re: The bolts


You are absolutely correct. I have been maintaining a DeLorean component and
systems failure rate data base since 1986. The factory bolt failure rate is
extremely low, all failures appear to be associated with incorrect
torquing at the factory. I know of no failures to any cars with replaced or
properly retorqued bolts.

I don't want to diminish the concerns of this much talked about subject but
at the same time don't want readers of this list to get the impression that
this problem is more common than it actually is.

If your DeLorean has never received a trailing arm bolt inspection than I
suggest you have them checked as soon as possible.

Seasons Greetings
DeLorean Help
----- Original Message -----
From: "Les Huckins" <>
To: "K Creason" <>; <>
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 3:14 AM
Subject: [DML] The bolts

> Data is difficult to obtain, I've been trying to get first hand
> information on actual bolt failures, it appears to be very rare.
> Bending is common, factory torquing, at least early on, was improper and
> allowed the loosening which allowed the bending.  From this point I get
> into VIN numbers and the rain belt and the snow belt.  Given the many
> 100,000 mile equivalency tests and the rigorous shakedown tests the cars
> were put through it's reasonable that bolt corrections as to type and
> tensioning took place along with the many other updates as assembly
> continued.  The two who came out with first hand failure experience,
> Toby and Darryl, both have very low VIN numbers, not very far apart.
> Mileage alone doesn't really tell you anything, a properly torqued bolt
> on a late VIN may go forever and an improperly torqued bolt on an early
> VIN, may fail with very low miles.
> A poll based solely upon mileage, not factoring in other conditions, is
> merely a curiosity.


Message: 18
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:23:56 -0000
Subject: PRV?

Can someone take a look _at_dml_ these photos and tell me if this is a 
PRV motor? With the exception of the sparkplug locations, the 
shape & size of the block make it a dead ringer.

vin 6585 "X"


Message: 19
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:17:27 -0500
From: "Buckner, William" <>
Subject: RE: Re: Low Gas Light

I knew a guy that did this on every car he bought.  It would help for piece
of mind.

Bill Buckner

Instrumentation Supervisor
Electrical and Instrument Dept.
Pfizer, Inc.
Global Manufacturing
Holland, MI Facility
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-----Original Message-----
> From: John L. Rahn []
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 9:48 AM
> To:
> Subject: [DML] Re: Low Gas Light

> Here's what I did.  Get a one gallon plastic gas container , fill it 
> and drive around until you run out of gas (I know...might get 
> contamination and all that).  Your light should come on at some 
> point.  When it does, zero the trip odometer and continue to drive 
> till you are out . . .

[moderator snip]


Message: 20
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:56:34 -0000
Subject: DeLorean vs. Alpine A310 Question.

Someone mentioned a while back on the list here that the 
exhaust headers on the Alpine A310 will not fit on the DeLorean 
because of a clearance issue with the crossmember that 
supports the engine (I'm assuming the headers described are 
the stock one's that point straight down).

So, the question here is does anyone know what the exact 
clearances are. or perhaps at the very least does someone have 
a photo of this area on an Alpine? Just trying to figure out if the 
clearance was with the headers themselves, or just no space to 
connect them up to the exhaust system...

vin 6585 "X"


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