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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 807
Date: Friday, November 30, 2001 2:39 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. www.88-mph.com is up and running again..
From: "Jeff" <Gr8old1_at_dml_aol.com>

2. D-1
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

3. Re: Delorean Molds
From: "S CAGLE" <sharkywtrs_at_dml_msn.com>

4. Delorean Model Sale Locations
From: yoda soda <yoda_witha_soda_at_dml_yahoo.com>

5. Re: Minor electrical problem revised...
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

6. Re: Re: twin turbo
From: deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com

7. Re: Delorean Molds
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

8. Re: DeLorean One and DMC Houston???
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

9. Re: Sad DeLorean in need of good Mechanic(L.I. NY)
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

10. Re: PRV?
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>

11. RE: Sad DeLorean in need of good Mechanic(L.I. NY)
From: "Buckner, William" <William.Buckner_at_dml_pfizer.com>

12. Re: Warm up regulator electrical supply
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

13. RE: Delorean Molds
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

14. Legend (Was: twin turbo)
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

15. RE: Sad DeLorean in need of good Mechanic(L.I. NY)
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

16. RE: Re: twin turbo
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

17. DeLorean Repair Shops (was sad DeLorean)
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

18. Re: Legend (Was: twin turbo)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

19. RE: twin turbo
From: Dave Stragand <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>

20. Legend (Was: ttwin turbo)
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

21. Re: Exhaust Manifolds
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

22. Re: Sad DeLorean in need of good Mechanic(L.I. NY)
From: turbodmc_at_dml_hotmail.com

23. Re: Legend (Was: twin turbo)
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

24. RE: Exhaust Manifolds
From: mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net

25. Instrument Cluster Lens
From: Nigel C Beatson <nbeatson1_at_dml_orange.net>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 02:04:06 -0000
From: "Jeff" <Gr8old1_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: www.88-mph.com is up and running again..

Sorry about the downtime. A power surge blew out the motherboard on 
the server. Fortunately no data has been lost and things should be 
back to normal.  So visit http://www.88-mph.com hopefully, with the 
new models coming out we can make it a nice site for all 3 of the 
models. for those of you who are customizing them, i look forward to 
your contributions!

-Jeff Chabotte Webmaster http://www.88-mph.com
Norwich, CT
Striving for the dream.




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 19:05:49 +0000
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: D-1

It has been well documented that Steve and Ed worked together at one
time.  Ed is a little hard to explain.  Basically he has his own
clientele and from all that I can gather he does very well and there is
a long waiting period if you wish to utilize his services.  He has the
reputation of being very thorough and quite expensive.  He can be quite
rude at times and he can be very friendly at other times.   He was the
first president of the DOA and has a very strong ongoing influence in
shaping it's destiny.  As to DMC Houston, very straight arrow, willingly
helps anyone who asks, has the largest supply of parts and works at
creating replacement parts where original items are no longer
available.  There is much cooperation between all of the vendors, except
for D-1.  I think that's common knowledge.  As to where to go for
service, it has been suggested that several factors determine.  Most who
deal with D-1 are very pleased with their dealings, not everyone, but
not everyone would be pleased by anyone.  That's also true of Houston.
Now, as to who is top gun, it depends upon your individual experience
with a given vendor.  Most are regular contributors on the list and
advertise regularly in the World.  In CA, along with D-1, there is Don
Steger who has a lot of experience and a well pleased following.  In the
east is PJ Grady where seldom a bad word is heard (except today on a
posting).  There is also DMC Joe with a tremendous amount of
experience.   I think these are the biggest of the big guns.  For
information and parts, Darryl Tinnerstet (Washington) is one of the most
knowledgeable; John Hervey (Texas), especially in electrical parts (but
not solely) is very responsive;  Bob Miller also has a lot of smarts and
parts.  The usual disclaimer, I haven't dealt with everyone, these are
the ones I have first hand knowledge of, all have treated me well..

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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 23:05:24 -0500
From: "S CAGLE" <sharkywtrs_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean Molds

  
Seems like a year or so ago I remember a post about someone selling fiberglass front quarter panels for the De Lorean on Ebay...can't remember why, I just seem to remember a bunch of "who would do that" posts.  Possibly for replacement front fenders on painted cars?


Scott


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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 20:30:13 -0800 (PST)
From: yoda soda <yoda_witha_soda_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Delorean Model Sale Locations

Hello list, 
  Would anybody happen to know (in the Houston area)
if there are any locations on where to buy a DeLorean
model?  I want to get one soon, and i would prefer not
to order offline.

    Future DMC owner, 

                     EJ "Soda"



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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 05:09:52 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: Minor electrical problem revised...

It sounds like "Jack the Ripper" was the last electrician to work on 
your car! If it is the # 12 courtesy fuse that is still blowing you 
have to also check the following
Luggage compartment
Engine compartment
Glove box
The Purple wire _at_dml_ the engine diagnostic plug
These are all areas where the Purple power is fed from #12. A problem 
on ANY Purple wire will cause it to blow. Since it is supposed to be 
on (hot) all of the time a short, even a small one, will kill the 
battery. The switch for the engine, luggage, glove box, all ground the 
circuit so that means it is hot in the lamps. A short in the lamps 
will ground the circuit even if the switch is disconnected. The lamp 
housings are known to melt so it is best if you open them up and see 
if the problem is inside.
 The squeek might be an idler pulley bearing. There is no cure short 
of replacing the inexpensive bearings. The belt shouldn't be so loose 
as to squeek. A quick test is to use a spray bottle filled with water 
and squirt it on the belt. If the squeek goes away you found it, if it 
doesn't spray a little on the bearings. If that does it you now know 
what you have to do. Make sure the belt runs straight. I have seen 
alternators installed that the belt doesn't run straight especially if 
someone put the wrong alternator on and didn't line things up.
 The windows are not supposed to be powered when the ignition is 
off.The windows draw power from the #11 fuse (lgw) which also supplies 
power to the clock and radio and console illumination. At this point 
it would be helpful to know the vin or at least if you have the 
separate clock in the console. There are some differences in the 
wiring between the early and later cars. 
 It would be best for you to get an inexpensive test light and learn 
how to use it. Car wiring is simple if you learn some basics.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Adam Price" <acprice1_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> Thanks for the help!! I did check my door switches, and they were a 
> mess! They were loose and one of the upper connectors was contacting
> the lower one, creating the short. I straightened everything,
> tightened everything and insulated some additional areas of the
> connectors, now my "open door" telltale goes off and on as it should
> and the sporadic current through the courtesies circuit is no more!
> 
> How ever this still doesnt explain why the courtesies fuse kept 
> popping.

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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 01:02:03 EST
From: deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: twin turbo

If you really want a twin turbo engine you could try to bribe Ed Berstein out 
of his. I believe that he owns the only other engine produced by the 
Legend/Delorean collaboration. I was at his shop in the summer and tried to 
buy it, but the price is slightly higher than our national GDP. But you could 
give it a shot.:)

John Weaver
ETDOC 
RED DMC #10527


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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 02:19:02 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Delorean Molds

In a message dated 11/29/01 3:22:35 PM Central Standard Time, 
malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com writes:


> They look like Fiberglass molds.  maybe they were used to make full size
> models for the BTTF movies?  I can't imagine someone would buy something
> like that and not know the story behind it.  I doubt the previous owner
> (the guy who sold it to the person now selling them on ebay) would not
> have a explanation for the item.  It is possible that if we knew the
> real story behind them, they would be much less valuable.  

can someone post the link to this auction?  i can't find it on the search 
list for 'delorean'.

andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 02:31:03 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: DeLorean One and DMC Houston???

In a message dated 11/29/01 3:31:08 PM Central Standard Time, fjk143_at_dml_aol.com 
writes:


> Adam,
> 
> DMC Houston just restored my car and made uprades to the engine, 
> suspension, etc.  It now makes 197 hp and nearly linear torque as well.  I 
> felt the proce was expensive but fair and the quality was high.  Steve 
> Wynne, the owner, is a delight to deal with unlike DeLorean One's owner, Ed 
> Bernstein - just my opinion but based on facts that matter to me - sounds 
> like your P.J. Grady scenario.  I am from Connecticut and sent my car to 
> Houston istead of Long Island which is ten miles away.
> 
> Fred  

List,

I cannot believe that anyone could have any beef with PJ Grady.  Rob's help 
and expertise has been nothing but top-notch cream-of-the-crop.  I have only 
had my DeLorean for a year and he is quite an expert when it comes to 
problems with the car.  the same thing goes for DMCJoe.  i remember earlier 
this spring i called Rob up on a Saturday and even though he wasn't actually 
open, he still helped me diagnose a poor cold start condition. i think i 
called him back about 10 times that day and every time he gladly explained 
testing procedures to me until i had my problem figured out.  equally as 
helpful is DMCJoe.  i bet i call Joe at least once every couple of weeks for 
some technical advice, and he is always right there for me, always willing to 
lend a hand over the phone.  to repay these guys for their 110% commitment to 
helping me keep my car on the road, i try to buy parts from both places 
equally.  that way i give back to them what they give back to me.

as for D-1 - i have never tried to get parts or help from them.  i never will 
based on the horror stories i have heard.  they have lost a potential 
customer.

as for DMCHouston - i buy a part here and there, but i find PJ Grady and 
DMCJoe to be of the most help to me when i need it (usually immediately) so i 
return the favor by primarily purchasing parts thru them.  however, i have 
never had a negative experience with Houston.  

as long as Grady and Joe continue to do business in the same friendly, 
professional manner that they do it now - i am lifelong customers to them, 
and they are the first places i recommend to other owners.


Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 03:11:50 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Sad DeLorean in need of good Mechanic(L.I. NY)

In a message dated 11/29/01 3:53:41 PM Central Standard Time, 
dmc_delorean_2000_at_dml_yahoo.com writes:


> I got this car as a present from my father 
> when i turned 16 im now 18, and i think mechanics see im young and 
> they kill my car on purpose so i come back to them.
> someone help, i dont want to destroy this car anymore, if anyone 
> knows of reputable mecahnics in the suffolk county area (besides PJ 
> GRADY) please let me know. my car needs help. im going to aamco today 
> to yell at them and find out the story.
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> Happy Holidays
> 


A DeLorean when you were 16?  i don't know if i should think that's cool or 
feel sorry for you!

i'm only 19 but at least the repair shops treat me like an adult.  the trick 
is you have to KNOW what you are talking about.  you must be familiar with 
the repair and the car in general.  you have to PROVE to your mainsteam 
tranny shops that YOU ARE IN CHARGE OF THIS CAR!  you have to TELL THEM what 
you want done to it.  if you don't know what is wrong, learn everything you 
can about the system, and try to make some guesses.  if you can have a decent 
conversation with a mechanic about the possibilities, chances are they will 
not screw you.  here are some examples i would like to relate to you since we 
are both nearly the same age:

1.  this spring my DeLorean would not start.  i kept the car at my house and 
worked on diagnosing the fuel problem/starting condition with my shop manual 
and some phone calls to Grady and DMCJoe.  i learned everything i could about 
it.  i then walked into a local porsche/BMW dealer and told the service guy 
that i would like to chat with their K-Jetronic guru about my DeLorean.  i 
told the guru what kind of car i had and the problem with it as well as all 
the data i had collected as far as pressure readings, etc.  he then tried to 
steer me into a different direction, but then i countered him by reminding 
him at what pressure the injectors open at as well as some technical info on 
the warm-up regulator.  this impressed him and he stopped talking to me like 
i was a kid as soon as he could see i knew what i was talking about and that 
i just didn't have the tools or experience to fix the problem.  i had my car 
towed in and he fixed it for me by the end of the week. i also kept checking 
in every day to see how it was going, and i would offer up any help i had. it 
would have taken my local Amoco WEEKS to fix it!

2.  my tranny got all fxcked up when i suffered from the plastic clutchline 
syndome and it bent one of my roll pins in the transmission.  i took it to a 
tranny shop where the owner agreed to look at the car but made no promises on 
being able to fix it.  again i had learned everything i could and showed him 
what was up, and i told him that i believe a roll pin in the 2nd gear was 
damaged.  he kept insisting that i had a broken gear.  well he got the tranny 
dropped and opened it up... well what do you know? i was right and he was 
wrong.  i had the tranny and dropped, opened, cleaned, repaired, and 
reinstalled for $600 labor (about the same price that DMCJoe charges, so i 
know i didn't get ripped off).  they didn't try to pull any crap on me either 
because i always came in with my shirt and tie from my job so for one, i 
looked good and not like a slobby college kid, and for two they knew i was 
worth treating like an equal adult.  also, my knowledge of the car's clutch 
system and transmission helped THEM fix the problem, and they were thankful 
for that.  

in the end, it all comes down to the impression YOU give THEM.  you have to 
walk in there and look good, you have to have your shop manual in your hand, 
and you have to explain to them what YOU think the problem is.  NEVER go into 
a shop saying, 'my car won't start, and i have no clue why not'.  they could 
say it was your discombobulator belt seized up against your muffler bearings 
(which is hard to find so it costs $$$1.238x10^4 + tax) and if you're stupid, 
you won't get the hint that they know you are stupid!  also check in 
regularly.  that makes them see that you really are on top of this thing.  

the trick is you have to convince them that you have a good idea of what is 
wrong, but you don't have the tools at home to prove it.  since everyone i 
talk to about my car knows that i wasn't born yesterday, i always seem to 
have high quality work done (or maybe i haven't met any bad apples yet).  i 
would also advise you to try to do some of your own work on the car to get to 
know it better.  i realize that tranny work is pretty scary, even i don't 
touch it.  but surely someone in there, there was some work you could have 
done yourself.

as for Grady, you should see my previous post.  i really don't think he would 
have screwed you.  if all you wanted was bearings and have him inspect your 
waterpump on the car, then why did you let them do $7K in work on it?  that 
sounds like YOU weren't on top of things.  he probably recommened some work 
done on your car, like any good mechanic would, but ultimately you have the 
final say in what anyone does to your property.  Grady is nothing but a man 
of respect.

as for AAMCO saying they think it is your injectors - that's like asking a 
Jiffy Lube employee to torque your torsion bar. (no offense to JL guys 
because i work there off and on!!!).  you better tell them to get it fixed 
and they better not charge you for it if the car was running perfectly when 
it came in.  if you don't have the balls to tell someone this, you better 
have your dad go in there and tell them what's up.

i guarantee to a 99.9% degree of accuracy that it is NOT your injectors.  
especially if they have been messing around in there, such as dropping a 
transmission.  i don't know what to tell you about this one, but you might 
want to find a kind owner in your area who is good with working on the car to 
take a look at your engine and do some diagnosis.  you really need to read up 
on DeLorean maintenence.  sounds to me like you are having transmission 
computer governor failure.  this is very common with auto trannys (i assume 
you have an auto but you didn't specifically say).  it is possible to repair 
these, but i would not have a local shop do it because they will not have any 
idea what to do, and they will probably charge you many hours of labor until 
they figure it out (if ever).  if you don't like Grady call up DMCJoe at 
770-631-4800 and he will give you the scoop on your tranny.  i have a manual 
so i am not too familiar with what is involved to fix the governor.

man - if you have paid $12K for stuff that mechanics have solely done to your 
car, you either need a good lawyer, or you need to find new mechanics 
(perferably both).  if you cannot afford the repairs, i would recommend 
putting a cover on the car and storing it (PROPERLY!) until you can.  i would 
hate to have to sell a car that i have put $12K in for less than $15K (which 
is what your car is worth if it is as f'd up as it sounds like).  you may be 
better off letting the car sit while you read up.

hope this has opened some doors for you.  email me if you would like!

Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 04:18:44 -0500
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Re: PRV?

I see no similarity besides the fact that they both seem to be V-6s.

On an unrelated note, someone told me recently that the PRV was made out
of magnesium.  Wouldn't that be nice?

1537

On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:23:56 -0000 DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com writes:
> Can someone take a look _at_dml_ these photos and tell me if this is a 
> PRV motor? With the exception of the sparkplug locations, the 
> shape & size of the block make it a dead ringer.
> 
> http://members.atlasf1.com/pascal/1985f1-2.html
> 
> -Robert
> vin 6585 "X"



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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 06:23:14 -0500
From: "Buckner, William" <William.Buckner_at_dml_pfizer.com>
Subject: RE: Sad DeLorean in need of good Mechanic(L.I. NY)

Sorry you are having such a bad time.  It doesn't seem right that you should
have to grow up at such a young age.  You should be shooting around town in
an old POS and having great memories.  Don't let it bust you up too much.
We have all had rough times with one car or another.  I know people that
"hate" Fords, (or Dodges, or Chevy's) because their dad had grief once with
a certain car.  It happens.  I hope you get through it soon.  Good luck.



Bill Buckner

Instrumentation Supervisor
Electrical and Instrument Dept.
Pfizer, Inc.
Global Manufacturing
Holland, MI Facility
   %   Phone:  616-392-2375  x-2449
 *   Fax:      616-392-8267
     *  Email:    william.buckner_at_dml_pfizer.com




-----Original Message-----
> From: dmc_delorean_2000_at_dml_yahoo.com [mailto:dmc_delorean_2000_at_dml_yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 3:43 PM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DML] Sad DeLorean in need of good Mechanic(L.I. NY)


> hi
> My cars been in the shop for over a year now, its actualy very sad.

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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 07:44:07 EST
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Warm up regulator electrical supply

In a message dated 11/6/01 10:35:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
john_geuley_at_dml_hp.com writes:

<< I have checked out my warm up regulator and found that the 
   inside is burnt out !!
 
   Before I place a new one on the car I would like to check the 
   power input to this to make sure everything is correct as these
   are not cheap items...
  >>
John, Did the Warm up regulator work out ok. John hervey
11/30/01.6:45 am
Are you sending the old one back.



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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 08:22:46 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: RE: Delorean Molds

How odd.  This auction has seem to disappeared from EBAY.  It is not
even listed in completed auctions!

If someone has a direct link saved, please send it.

-----Original Message-----
From: edherrmann_at_dml_yahoo.com [mailto:edherrmann_at_dml_yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 9:57 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Delorean Molds


What molds are being sold on e-bay right now. Where did they come
from. Maybe there are some more laying around.  Ed 




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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 08:35:04 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: Legend (Was: twin turbo)

It has been discussed before, but I guess I can say it again in light of
Dave's post below.

The Legend twin turbo setup is nothing like the Island twin turbo.   On
the Island "kit" you simply bolt on the turbos and associated
accessories to make them work.  Most people limit the boost to 6lbs, and
still risk internal damage to the engine because it is not designed for
forced induction.

When Legend developed their twin turbo setup, they needed to replace
just about *EVERYTHING* inside the engine.  To make a long story short,
you cannot make a Legend like setup by simply duplicating the external
parts and bolting them on.

There has been some discussion about people re-creating the Legend
setup, but I suspect it would be too expensive for most owners.  Seeing
that 502 is already up to $25K on Ebay and is in need of a restoration,
then maybe DeLorean owners are willing to pay more than I would expect.

Frankly, I hope no one reproduces a kit...  But that is strictly for
selfish reasons.  :)


-----Original Message-----
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net [mailto:jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 10:50 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Re: twin turbo


The only kit available is from Island Turbo but it isn't the twin. Or 
you could buy #502 on E-Bay. The only parts I know of that are in 
existance to recreate a twin set-up are in Rob's shop for the car he 
has and I don't think you could get him to sell then even if you were 
his brother! If you were on better terms with him and could examine 
the parts I believe the parts could be copied and or recreated. 
Someone else is also interesed in doing this but I don't know how far 
along the project is.



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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:41:38 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: RE: Sad DeLorean in need of good Mechanic(L.I. NY)

I am curious as to why someone with $32K invested in a DeLorean that
still does not run would be on the DML asking about a Twin Turbo kit
that will cost at least another $6K.. 

Looking at your web site
(http://www.geocities.com/dmc_delorean_2000/UnNamed.html?946676979790),
I would suspect that you purchased the first car you looked at, and it
is a real basket case.

It's hard to get your dream shattered, but you should consider this a
expensive mistake (based on your web page, it only cost your father the
money).  Sell the car.  If you still want a DeLorean, select a better
example of one next time.  This is the typical situation as to why the
DeLorean sometimes has a bad reputation.


If you disagree with me and want to keep dumping money in to that car,
and have decided that PJ Grady is not for you, then have the car shipped
to one of the other DeLorean service centers.  Heck, for the amount of
money you have in the car another few hundred dollars to ship it to
California or Texas is no big deal..  Or maybe you can have DMC Joe come
to you for a house call.

Either way, I suspect that the other honest DeLorean service
professionals will probably tell you the same thing.  Stick with the DMC
professionals, I would not trust my daily beater to AAMCO!


-----Original Message-----
From: dmc_delorean_2000_at_dml_yahoo.com [mailto:dmc_delorean_2000_at_dml_yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 3:43 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Sad DeLorean in need of good Mechanic(L.I. NY)


hi
My cars been in the shop for over a year now, its actualy very sad. i 
send it to a mechanic to fix somthing small and they wind up breaking 
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:10:04 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: RE: Re: twin turbo

From what I understand, this is not a running Legend engine.  This was a
mockup used to promote the project throughout the country.

If someone has more correct information on this, please let me know.

-----Original Message-----
From: deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 1:02 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] Re: twin turbo


If you really want a twin turbo engine you could try to bribe Ed
Berstein out 
of his. I believe that he owns the only other engine produced by the 
Legend/Delorean collaboration. I was at his shop in the summer and tried
to 
buy it, but the price is slightly higher than our national GDP. But you
could 
give it a shot.:)

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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:29:43 -0500
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: DeLorean Repair Shops (was sad DeLorean)

> Basically, SHOP AROUND!  Dont be hasty to do things.  Take your time.  Also,
> be careful who you say things about...I know you might be upset with PJ
> Grady, but later on, their help and expertise could wind up saving you a few
> thousand (It saved me!)
>
> Kevin Abato

I, too, have had pleasant dealings with Rob Grady and pretty much all of the DeLorean
vendors and service facilities.

This thread has offered some good suggestions, but I want to point out a few more options
that no one else has mentioned.  First, I have found Dave Bauerle in central Ohio to be
very honest, and he runs a first class DeLorean service operation right in America's
Heartland.  Second, DML subscriber "DMC Joe" has been known to make house calls on
occasion.

You can find some info about repair facilities at the DMC News website.  Go here and
click on "Links to Vendors and Others":

http://www.dmcnews.com/

The DeLorean Owners Association also has a nice list of repair facilities.  Go to their
DeLorean Store website and click on "DeLorean World Display Advertisers":

http://www.deloreanstore.com/

- Mike Substelny




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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 07:28:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Legend (Was: twin turbo)

--- "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com> wrote:
 Most people limit the boost to 6lbs, and still risk
internal damage to the engine because it is not
designed for forced induction.
- - - - - - - - -
Marc is both on target and way off target.  He is on
target when he refers to the Legend set-up as being
very different from the "twin turbo kit".  The Legend
set-up required modifications  in order to pump up the
boost and still retain reliability.

However, I disagree with the comments that running 6
lbs. of boost is risky in any way.  I, and others,
have put many thousands of miles on the PRV engine
running anywhere from 6 to 7.5/8 lbs. of boost with no
apparent problems.  I have personally put over 120,000
miles on twin turbo equipped engines and have had no
engine problems.

The PRV engine is an extremely tough engine.  With any
sort of reasonable care it is almost impossible to
hurt it.  

Dick Ryan 



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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:23:31 -0500
From: Dave Stragand <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>
Subject: RE: twin turbo

As far as the twin turbo goes, I do have the kit.  Trust me, the Houston
upgrade is far superior at producing power.  Houston's engine is also safer,
has a better power band, and will give overall better results.
 
You get all of this at a price $1000 -LESS- than the twin turbo kit.
 
Just my $.02.
 
-Dave Stragand
http://www.projectvixen.com


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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:54:29 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: Legend (Was: ttwin turbo)

Oops.. Hit send to quickly, I was not done.

If the engine Ed has is real and complete, then I now know of 7 (seven)
TWIN TURBO engines build by Legend Industries. (This does not include
the later single turbo engines).  If Ed's is just as empty block as I
have been led to believe (no pistons or other essential components to
make it lighter to transport), then there are only 6 engines around.
One of them has been disassembled, leaving 5 potentially running Twin
Turbo Legend engines.

I am always collecting information on Legend, so if you have more (or
corrections to the above) please let me know.

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc A. Levy 
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:10 AM
To: 'dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [DML] Re: twin turbo


From what I understand, this is not a running Legend engine.  This was a
mockup used to promote the project throughout the country.

If someone has more correct information on this, please let me know.

-----Original Message-----
From: deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 1:02 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] Re: twin turbo


If you really want a twin turbo engine you could try to bribe Ed
Berstein out 
of his. I believe that he owns the only other engine produced by the 
Legend/Delorean collaboration. I was at his shop in the summer and tried
to 
buy it, but the price is slightly higher than our national GDP. But you
could 
give it a shot.:)

<SNIP>



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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:58:45 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: Exhaust Manifolds

This job is very messy, needs to be done mostly from underneath and 
you have to be prepared to repair broken studs. It is best done with a 
torch to heat and loosen things up first. If you don't have experience 
at this kind of work I don't recomend it for a first timer. Rob has 
done enough of this kind of work that he knows what to expect, the 
time it will take and the resulting cost. When working on exhaust 
systems sometimes you can't stop replacing bad parts until you get to 
the tailpipe! It is like old plumbimg, you have to cut out the bad 
before you can start with the new and you don't always know where that 
will be. He is probably giving you a fair price even though he is 
guessing how much it wil take. After he starts he may not have as much 
trouble as he is guessing and if it turns out to be less he probably 
will reduce the price. (Now I am just guessing). An exhaust shop like 
Midas could do this but since they don't have the parts or practice on 
a Delorean they will take longer so even if their labor rate is lower 
the total may work out the same.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., dmc_delorean_2000_at_dml_y... wrote:
> hi Guys
> its me again, i might be getting annyoing, but i have no where else 
> to turn for advise, nobody where i live knows what a DeLorean is. my 
> pass side exhaust manifold is cracked so i bought a used one in good 
> shape (new is too expensive), but when PJ Grady had my car in 
> january, he told me it was a big job (he wanted $800 to do it). now 
> as some of you know i've had a lot of problems with mechanics so im 
> 




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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:05:46 -0000
From: turbodmc_at_dml_hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Sad DeLorean in need of good Mechanic(L.I. NY)

Hello Misery DeLorean owner.

I have to say that your post is rather unusual and caught my 
attention.Several things that you wrote make me want to question your 
story and motives a bit further.

1.	You never put a name to your post and you seem to have 
        a vendetta with not only PJ Gradys but also all Mechanics in 
        general.
 
2.	There are numerous inconsistencies with this story that
        just don't add up here.
         
3.      You have had the car two years here on long island and
        are posting multiple times today (for what apears to me to 
        be the first time) and each time complain about PJ Gradys.

You said that you got the car at 16 and are 18 now( so you own it 
about two years).  You said it was a great car when you got it but 
you put 12k into it because of what mechanics did to your 15k 
DeLoraen. That's a lot of money to spend on a car that was great, 
why did you bring this great car to a mechanic in the first place and 
what did they need to fix that cost 12k, what is the vin on this car?
I have seen a few DeLoreans in this part of the world that you could 
spend $12k on and still have a piece of junk. But that's because
the car was a junk wagon to begin with and $25k wouldn't make it a
good car. 

You brought the car to ammco 6 times in the last year and the 
transmissions is still not fixed.
The car is not running and a big disappointment to you but you are 
looking to spend 6k more adding a twin turbo to a car that
doesn't run.

All I can say is that something doesn't add up here and there are
two sides to every story,I would like to here what some of the 
mechanics have to say aboutthis car.
Your not shy when It comes to posting (except for your name and Vin) 
so lets here a bit more about this tragic DeLorean saga, Rob you read 
the list, care to comment?

Regards,

Michael DeLuca
vin 3113





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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:10:18 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: Legend (Was: twin turbo)

Thanks to Mark for correcting me. I am wrong in that the Island Kit IS 
a twin. It is NOT intercooled and there are no modifacations to the 
internals of the engine. There is some tweaking and some accessories 
added and although it certainly improves performance it is said that 
it doesn't equal the Legend set-up. Someday when Rob Grady gets his 
Legend car going we will know for sure!
 BTW I think even $30,000 for #502 would be a good deal even if it 
isn't running. In other Marques a prototype car especially an "early" 
one commands big bucks. There are so few of the Legend cars that it 
should help qualify it for a high amount if not now then maybe 
sometime in the future. Don't forget besides the turbo set-up it is 
the second car produced. That has to mean something! Now if it is a 
non-functioning motor (more than not running, ie:missing critical 
parts) that would affect the price.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_p...> wrote:
> It has been discussed before, but I guess I can say it again in 
light of
> Dave's post below.
> 
> The Legend twin turbo setup is nothing like the Island twin turbo.  
 On
> the Island "kit" you simply bolt on the turbos and associated





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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:22:08 -0500
From: mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net
Subject: RE: Exhaust Manifolds

Dear Tony,
This is not a tough job.  First jack up car at approved jacking points.  Get under car and douse manifoild bolts with penatrating oil and then go inside and have a cool beverage.  Come back out to car and give the 10mm bolts constant pressure to remove, don't jerk on ratchet or you will break off bolts.  Remove  bolts from crossover pipes and then remove manifold.  This will take about 2 bours of rolling around on the ground under car "WHAT FUN".  Put that puppy back together and drive away a happy camper.  Oh, I forgot tighten up on crossover pipes evenly or seal won't be very good, then ya would have to climb under car again to fix.  Take your time on this or you will break bolts  Be one with the tools, grasshopper.

jim sawyer
vin 4149
gr8tsct  
dmc_delorean_2000_at_dml_yahoo.com wrote:

>hi Guys
>its me again, i might be getting annyoing, but i have no where else 
>to turn for advise, nobody where i live knows what a DeLorean is. my 
>pass side exhaust manifold is cracked so i bought a used one in good 
>shape (new is too expensive), but when PJ Grady had my car in 
>january, he told me it was a big job (he wanted $800 to do it). now 
>as some of you know i've had a lot of problems with mechanics so im 
>taking some of your advice to do the work myself. my question is how 
>shold i go about this? is it that big of a job that i should just let 
>a mechanic do it, or do you think me being an amature can do it? if i 
>do the work myself, what am i getting into? any info would be very 
>usefull. plus i've got a whole bunch more question but i'll wait for 
>my car to come back before i flood the message board.
>Thanks all
>Tony
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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:31:50 GMT
From: Nigel C Beatson <nbeatson1_at_dml_orange.net>
Subject: Instrument Cluster Lens

Hi Everyone.

I need to replace the instrument cluster lens (part no. 105848) on my D 
as the previous owner tried to clean it with some sort of solvent that 
has given it a smoked effect that makes it virtually impossible to read 
the speedometer. I believe this part is no longer available and I was 
wondering if anyone knew of a where I might acquire one, or is their an 
alternative that can be used. Even better, anyone in the UK got a spare?

Thanks in anticipation.

Nigel
vin 02677




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