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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 808
Date: Friday, November 30, 2001 5:43 PM

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There are 17 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: DeLorean Repair Shops (was sad DeLorean)
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

2. Re: Sad DeLorean in need of good Mechanic(L.I. NY)
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

3. Re: Exhaust Manifolds
From: "gwells" <gwells_at_dml_totalise.co.uk>

4. Re: twin turbo
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>

5. Side mirror adjustment docs
From: dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com

6. CORRECTION
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

7. Re: twin turbo
From: scott-c-arnold_at_dml_home.com

8. Re: Starting Problems
From: Jason Pucci <jasonsdlo_at_dml_yahoo.com>

9. RE: Re: twin turbo
From: deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com

10. rear suspension parts for sale
From: delorean502_at_dml_excite.com

11. Re: Instrument Cluster Lens
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

12. Re: twin turbo
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

13. RE: Re: Legend (Was: twin turbo)
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

14. Re: Re: twin turbo
From: deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com

15. Re: Delorean Molds
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

16. RE: Legend (Was: twin turbo)
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

17. Re: Delorean Molds
From: theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:22:52 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: DeLorean Repair Shops (was sad DeLorean)

There are many shops across the country that could work on a Delorean. 
All of the venders will work with a local shop and talk a mechanic 
through procedures. Some even have some experience or worked for 
Delorean dealers and were trained on Deloreans.
 If you want a "refurbished" Delorean though your choices are limited. 
In that case you only have basically four places to go that have the 
parts and expertise to be able to claim "refurbished". Two are in 
California, one in Texas, and one in New York. There is no standard 
for "refurbishing" or "rebuilding" a car, any car, including 
Deloreans. Every shop does different things. To compare you must be 
knowledgeable about cars so you can compare "aples with apples". I 
would think one of the most important things would be the warranty. 
This gives a measure of the vendor's confidence in their work. 
Reputation is also very important. Be patient and shop around. Prices 
aren't going up on "refurbished" anytime soon and in light of the 
economy maybe they will even drop.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757




> 
> I, too, have had pleasant dealings with Rob Grady and pretty much 
all of the DeLorean
> vendors and service facilities.
> 
> This thread has offered some good suggestions, but I want to point 
out a few more options
> that no one else has mentioned.  First, I have found Dave Bauerle in 
central Ohio to be
> very honest, and he runs a first class DeLorean service operation 
right in America's
> Heartland.  Second, DML subscriber "DMC Joe" has been known to make 
house calls on
> occasion.
> 





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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:52:10 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Sad DeLorean in need of good Mechanic(L.I. NY)

Consider the following claims: "i've already pumped in over  another $12k in
repairs that were the mechanics fault." and "car came back with damage and a
$7k bill"  Am I reading this correctly?  You paid $19K in less than 2 years
for repairs on a car that you originally paid $15K for?  And the first $12K
was due to the mechanic's fault?  Then most of the second bill was for
repairs that you didn't want?  For less than your total investment of $34K
you could have bought a refurbished DeLorean from PJ Grady or DMC Houston.

The story that you relate with PJ Grady is uncharacteristic of the way they
do business.  Rob is the type of businessman that would rather take a loss
than have an unsatisfied customer.  If the problem that you had with PJ
Grady is genuine, then I suggest you swallow your pride and go back there
and make friends with him.  This might seem repulsive to you, but think of
it as eating your vegetables.  If you are reasonable with him, Rob will
treat you fairly.  If you already 'blew it' with him, I'm sure he will
accept a sincere apology.  If he makes a mistake, he is always more than
willing to make up for it.  There is no better place in your area of the
country to have a DeLorean serviced.  If you can't do productive friendly
service with this outfit, then you probably won't be satisfied with anyone.

Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:55:40 -0000
From: "gwells" <gwells_at_dml_totalise.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Exhaust Manifolds

Tony
It might be any easy job but that depends entirely on whether the studs
holding the manifold are in good condition and the nuts come off easily.
In my case I had to renew 6 studs (I had to replace both manifold
gaskets.). 4 of which I had to drill out and put in a helicoil insert,
so until the job has been looked at closely its difficult to say whether
you should do it yourself. If any of the studs have to be drilled out, I
would suggest it is best to remove the engine to be sure of doing a
reasonable job.
Graham
VIN 17152
----- Original Message -----
From: <dmc_delorean_2000_at_dml_yahoo.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 10:47 PM
Subject: [DML] Exhaust Manifolds


> hi Guys
> its me again, i might be getting annyoing, but i have no where else
> to turn for advise, nobody where i live knows what a DeLorean is. my
> pass side exhaust manifold is cracked so i bought a used one in good
> shape (new is too expensive) . . .

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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:57:26 -0000
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
Subject: Re: twin turbo

While I was still very new to the DeLorean community, I read about 
this promo engine in the DeLorean Gold Portfolio.  At the same time 
the list was having this exact same discussion.  I made a post about 
this engine Ed has was a second Legend engine, but it was corrected 
by the moderator of that time that this is actually a non-operating 
engine.  And after carefull inspection of the pictures of 502 and the 
promo one, it does indeed look strickly like a mockup.

Jim Reeve
MNDMC - Minnesota DeLorean Club
DMC-6960

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_p...> wrote:
> From what I understand, this is not a running Legend engine.  This 
was a
> mockup used to promote the project throughout the country.
> 
> If someone has more correct information on this, please let me know.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: deloreanss_at_dml_a... [mailto:deloreanss_at_dml_a...]
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 1:02 AM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_y...
> Subject: Re: [DML] Re: twin turbo
> 
> 
> If you really want a twin turbo engine you could try to bribe Ed
> Berstein out 
> of his. I believe that he owns the only other engine produced by 
the 
> Legend/Delorean collaboration. I was at his shop in the summer and 
tried
> to 
> buy it, but the price is slightly higher than our national GDP. But 
you
> could 
> give it a shot.:)
> 
> <SNIP>




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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 17:07:46 -0000
From: dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com
Subject: Side mirror adjustment docs

NASA's pretty doggone Safety Conscious since that accident in '86 
(Challenger). So much so, that it has spilled out into everyday life.

Some clown--er, engineer-- did a study to find a way to best adjust 
side mirrors on autos to minimize blind spots on vehicles. So, I 
created a folder in the Files section at groups.yahoo and upload two 
docs from him on his findings. The first is his "How to" on the new 
adjustment procedure; the second is Powerpoint presentation about it, 
and how it helps. 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/files/side_mirrors/

Anyway... it's not De Lorean specific, it's the FWIW department, and 
because our D's aren't the most visible or easy to see out of, it 
might help.

It takes some getting used to... but give it a try.

Kevin
#4687
Houston




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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:34:38 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: CORRECTION

My response to the message below should have read "Fanzilla fan control"
instead of  "Tankzilla fuel sender"

Thanks to David Teitelbaum for catching the error.

Seasons Greetings
DMC Joe
DeLorean Help dmchelp_at_dml_att.net
www.dmc.tv
----- Original Message -----
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 1:52 AM
Subject: Re: [DML] Re: Starting Problems


The only practical solution to the AC current surge problem is to install
the TankZilla fuel sender up grade from PJ Grady and DeLorean Services.
>
> Seasons Greetings
> DMC Joe
> DeLorean Help dmchelp_at_dml_att.net
> www.dmc.tv
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "skipper landry" <sk1pper_at_dml_intersurf.com>
> To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 3:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [DML] Re: Starting Problems





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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:54:24 -0000
From: scott-c-arnold_at_dml_home.com
Subject: Re: twin turbo

For those who have experience with it, how much is this kit and have 
there been any problems with it?  Is everything needed included in 
the kit or is there alot of additional work that must be done?  Other 
comments?

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_p...> wrote:
> Eleanor Rogers sells the "Island Twin Turbo" kit.  You can call her 
> and ask who else can install the kit for you.
> 

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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:23:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Jason Pucci <jasonsdlo_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Starting Problems

Automatic, VIN 7172 
  dherv10_at_dml_aol.com wrote: Jason Are you an automatic or a standard.and what vin #.
John




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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:30:09 EST
From: deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: RE: Re: twin turbo

When I spoke to Ed about the engine, he said that it was running and that he had put it in a car before to do some race laps. I can't vouch for the validity of the statement, but I did see this engine and it appeared quite real to me. There is an article about the Legend engine and car in the Delorean Gold Portfolio, and it mentions the engine and the fact that it is owned by Ed Bernstein. He keeps it on display in the front office of his shop in L.A. So, if anyone is interested in seeing the thing, I highly recommend checking it out. It is worth the long drive through the valley.

John Weaver
ETDOC
RED DMC #10527



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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:04:02 -0000
From: delorean502_at_dml_excite.com
Subject: rear suspension parts for sale

If anyone is interested, I have some rear suspension parts for sale.  
They came off a car with 12K miles on it.  Email me with any 
questions.  delorean502(at)excite.com

Thanks

Erik Geerdink




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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:58:20 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: Instrument Cluster Lens

If it isn't TOO bad you might be able to salvage it. Remove the lense 
and polish it with toothpaste. Use soft cloths and turn over 
frequently. Don't concentrate on any area. Try to do it by hand. If 
you are experienced with a buffer you could try that but it is very 
easy to burn the plastic. Eastwood also has products for taking out 
scratches in plastic.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Nigel C Beatson <nbeatson1_at_dml_o...> wrote:
> Hi Everyone.
> 
> I need to replace the instrument cluster lens (part no. 105848) on 
my D 
> as the previous owner tried to clean it with some sort of solvent 
that 
> has given it a smoked effect that makes it virtually impossible to 
read 





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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:13:54 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: twin turbo

The last time I checked (over 2 years ago) it was about $5,000 + about 
$1,000 for the labor to install. It can be done by a do-it-yourselfer 
if you have more than just bolt-on skills. The kit requires some 
drilling and taping and wiring. Rob Grady doesn't recomend this on an 
automatic and I agree with him although there are Island kits on 
automatics. The major problem is controlling the boost so you don't 
damage the engine. It will also increase the frequency of your oil 
changes and if you are unlucky enough to need a turbo rebuilt they are 
expensive. In installing the turbo you must be very careful about 
detonation. Timing is very important as well as octane, temperature, 
and boost pressure. An overboost and you WILL blow piston rings and 
lands. As tough as the engine is it isn't bulletproof. Mark Levy can 
tell you. He blew "something" and his engine is still running! Of 
course he has to be careful now or he can blow all of his oil out the 
filler! On most engines when they go over 6 lbs boost the heads are 
grooved so you can install "O" rings to keep the pressure in and the 
compression ratio is reduced to keep the pressures from getting TOO 
high. Of course on purposebuilt turbo engines they change the 
camshaft, oil pump, pistons etc.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., scott-c-arnold_at_dml_h... wrote:
> For those who have experience with it, how much is this kit and have 
> there been any problems with it?  Is everything needed included in 
> the kit or is there alot of additional work that must be done?  
Other 
> comments?
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_p...> wrote:
> > Eleanor Rogers sells the "Island Twin Turbo" kit.  You can call 
her 
> > and ask who else can install the kit for you.
> > 
> 
> [moderator snip]




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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:20:56 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Legend (Was: twin turbo)

Sorry to correct you again David, but 502 would be the 3rd (third) car
built.

My question is, where is the value in 502?  Because it is the third car?
because it has a Legend engine in it?  Because it was used by Legend for
development of the Twin Turbo project?    After all, for those purists
out there 502 is NOT original.  It would never win a concours event
because it did not leave the factory with the Legend engine in it.


-----Original Message-----
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net [mailto:jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 11:10 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Re: Legend (Was: twin turbo)
<SNIP>
 BTW I think even $30,000 for #502 would be a good deal even if it 
isn't running. In other Marques a prototype car especially an "early" 
one commands big bucks. There are so few of the Legend cars that it 
should help qualify it for a high amount if not now then maybe 
sometime in the future. Don't forget besides the turbo set-up it is 
the second car produced. That has to mean something! Now if it is a 
<SNIP>



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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:33:18 EST
From: deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: twin turbo

I will quote the Gold Portfolio,

"For promotional purposes, another turbo engine was developed by legend (as 
pictured). This particular engine, now owned by Ed Bernstein, co-owner of 
Delorean One, was displayed around the country."

The pictures in the article depict an engine that is much shinier and cleaner 
than the one in #502, and indeed it is. You have to consider that this 
picture was taken when the engine was new, 1984. The one in #502 has 
thousands of miles on it, and was not constructed for display. Therefore, it 
is logical to deduce that the two engines are not going to appear to be 
exactly the same.

John Weaver
ETDOC
RED DMC #10527


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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:11:48 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: Delorean Molds

They had 1 bid for $100, w/shipping for $95. After 1 day they 
disappeared. Don't know why they were pulled early (length of 
auction was 6 days).

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
<SNIP>
> can someone post the link to this auction?  i can't find it on the 
search 
> list for 'delorean'.
> 
> andy
> 
> Soma576_at_dml_a...
> 1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
> Fargo, ND 58102
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:11:19 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: RE: Legend (Was: twin turbo)

Dick,

I base this claim on the fact that I pay close attention to turbocharged
DeLoreans when at large DeLorean events.  More than half of the
turbocharged cars that I have looked at have some sort of problem where
the crankcase is under pressure.  In my case, I suspect it is due to a
cracked ring.

A simple test:  With the engine running, remove the breather cap (where
you put oil in the car).  Does smoke come out? On a regular car the
answer would be no (or very little).  On many of the turbo cars I look
at, smoke pours out and that is at idle!

You may be a bit less aggressive of a driver than most of the other
Turbo owners, or it may be due to the thin air in the area you live (I
am at sea level).  Either way, keep an eye out for this when inspecting
Turbo DeLoreans.

Marc


-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Ryan [mailto:deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:29 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] Legend (Was: twin turbo)

<SNIP>

However, I disagree with the comments that running 6
lbs. of boost is risky in any way.  I, and others,
have put many thousands of miles on the PRV engine
running anywhere from 6 to 7.5/8 lbs. of boost with no
apparent problems.  I have personally put over 120,000
miles on twin turbo equipped engines and have had no
engine problems.

<SNIP>



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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:49:06 -0000
From: theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Delorean Molds

I remember this too, & I believe someone said they were probably for a
bttf car.  If you look very closely in some scenes in bttf,
especially in bttf3 in Doc's blacksmith shop in 1885, you can see the
"stainless" looks glossy because it is really painted fiberglass.

John Yeoman


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "S CAGLE" <sharkywtrs_at_dml_m...> wrote:
>   
> Seems like a year or so ago I remember a post about someone selling
fiberglass front quarter panels for the De Lorean on Ebay...can't
remember why, I just seem to remember a bunch of "who would do that"
posts.  Possibly for replacement front fenders on painted cars?
> 
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





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