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Date: Sunday, December 02, 2001 8:56 AM

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Topics in this digest:

1. Follow up! Sad DeLorean Story.....
From: dmc_delorean_2000_at_dml_yahoo.com

2. PJ Grady Apology (sad dmc)
From: dmc_delorean_2000_at_dml_yahoo.com

3. RE: Gas Question
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

4. Re: Gas Question
From: gmfm1_at_dml_att.net

5. NAPA Auto Parts Calendar
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

6. Re: DMC "Wishlist" for Christmas
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>

7. Futurethink: JZD's very own words.
From: "Jeff" <Gr8old1_at_dml_aol.com>

8. Re: Exhaust Manifolds (who do you trust?)
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

9. DeLorean Car Show (Sunstar DeLorean)
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

10. Re: Futurethink: JZD's very own words.
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

11. Re: NAPA Auto Parts Calendar
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

12. Re: Follow up! Sad DeLorean Story.....
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

13. Re: Sad DeLorean in need of good Mechanic(L.I. NY)
From: "Aaron C." <slider_ten_at_dml_hotmail.com>

14. Re: PJ Grady Apology (sad dmc)
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com

15. Fuel guage
From: AJL521_at_dml_aol.com

16. Re: Follow up! Sad DeLorean Story.....
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com

17. Re: Follow up! Sad DeLorean Story.....
From: gmfm1_at_dml_att.net

18. Re: Futurethink: JZD's very own words.
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

19. Re: DMC "Wishlist" for Christmas
From: gmfm1_at_dml_att.net

20. Red DeLorean with a pedigree
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

21. Re: DeLorean Car Show (Sunstar DeLorean)
From: "Jeff" <Gr8old1_at_dml_aol.com>

22. heli-coils in rear hub carrier
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

23. Poll results for dmcnews
From: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com

24. Re: Fuel guage
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

25. Re: Red DeLorean with a pedigree
From: deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 17:32:25 -0000
From: dmc_delorean_2000_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Follow up! Sad DeLorean Story.....

well i have actually just joined the DML, before that i've heard of 
it but never realy looked into it. that would explain me owning the 
car for about 2 years and you olny hearing about me now. as for 
my "attacks" againts "all mechanics", i would just like to say that 
im sorry if i have offened anyone, an as many told me, I might need 
help from PJ Grady in the future so i would like to say im also sorry 
for that (i guess i was blowing off steam). there are a lot of very 
reputible and trust worth mechanics. the guy who sent the car to 
aamco is a good one, but he made a bad decision sending it to aamco 
for this hes sorry and has been helping me to get the car roadworthy 
again. as for the car now. i went to syosset yesterday and the 
mechanic got the car running, the problem? an ignition coil that was 
supposedly replaced when i spent $7k on the ignition and some of the 
electrical system(but i wont jump to conclusions). the mecahnic was 
also surprised to hear $7k, but doesnt see any new parts(but then 
again this is only the second DMC hes seen in his life so...) that is 
true i was shopping around for turb info, but no way do i plan on 
spending $6k. more bad news. the car runs very poorly. i took it for 
a ride and she stalled out a few times (never happened before), and 
didnt want to start right away(kind of like BTTF but not as funny). 
Aamco says they find nothing wrong with the tranny mechanicaly, but 
have driven the car around and experienced the problem. they said it 
works fine if you shift it manualy, so they want to make it so i 
shift gears w/o a clutch, like an auto-manual. what does everyone 
think about that, is it worth it or should i go somewhere else? the 
mechanic working on it now want to put in a new engine. i am very 
conflicted in making a desision for this. should i keep the car 
original and fix it, or should i customize it? (id like to hear what 
you all have to say) if i do an engine swap, what would fit and what 
should i use? as for the vin # (246*) i suppose i should have done 
more research, but i did do alot and the car had a very clean past. 
alot of people tried to discourage me from getting a delorean, 
telling me how "bad" they are and this and that, but then again these 
are the people that only knew the car through rumors like "that car 
was made by AMC" and lots of inaccurate stuff. like i said earlier, 
everyone want me to sell it, but i love the car too much but if this 
goes on i might just have to give in.

once again i would like to appoligize if i have offended anyone 
(especialy PJ Grady who i hear is an awsome guy, i must have just 
caught him at a bad time period) and if i have offended anyone, im 
sorry i didnt mean to, but i was just expressing my thoughts and 
knowlege.




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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 18:06:57 -0000
From: dmc_delorean_2000_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: PJ Grady Apology (sad dmc)

as i read many of these messages, it appears i have offened and 
confused many of you with my story so i want to set it strait! 
        1) i spent a total of $12k in repairs, $7k of which was at PJ 
Grady and the rest at various mechanics.
        2) when i bought the car for $15k it was in above average to 
great condition inside and out, and i tried to keep it that way but 
the wrong stuborn guy got his hands on the car for basic mantinence 
and turned it into somthing big major.
        3) yes, most were from mechanics error, but i shouldn't put 
the full balme on them. the car did need some repairs, and it was my 
fault for bringing it to them, but some of the mechanics i've been to 
are not big enought to admit that they cant do it and try to fix it 
with wrong parts, and touch the wrong thing causing more problems and 
me to get the new problem repaired, and in that repair the cycle 
continues.
        4) I should not have said anything remotly bad about pj 
grady, and after speaking to the mechanic who has the car now, we 
both agree to sit down with rob one day soon and set everything 
strait. in fact the mechanic is going to call up PJ for some advice. 
but i was so dissapoitned because i have heard only good things about 
PJ thats why i sent it there on a tow truck 60mi away, but for some 
reason when i brought my car to him i was like the exception. i was 
blowing off steam and was mad (especialy when he tells me over the 
phone that its the worst car hes ever seen and that its not worth 
anything.) we also had some communication problems so that would 
explain service and a bill i did not want. but either way me and my 
mechanic have to get the facts, because hes telling me that I was 
riped off and that none of the parts in the engine are remotly new 
and i get fustrated. but if anyone from PJ Grady comes across any of 
my messages, this is my message to you and the staff: i appoligize if 
i have offened anyone and i will be showing up one day soon in person 
to give my appology and i hope you dont refuse to work on my car and 
with me. i would however like an explination and a break down of what 
you did and why in full because nobody seems to understand why i have 
a $7k bill and more work needed.  i know it mean nothing online, but 
i will come in person to set the record strait.

like i said im new to this list and i dont want to be hated already, 
i want the opinion of all you and what you think i should do be cause 
im all out of suggestions and about ready to throw in the towel!

hope this doesnt sour anyones holiday.
Tony
vin# 2467 barely




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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 11:41:34 -0600
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Gas Question

You should be ok.  I leave gas in my car for 5 to 6 months
every year during the Minnesota winters.  I have not had
any fuel related problems.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: michaelzkqkq_at_dml_yahoo.com [mailto:michaelzkqkq_at_dml_yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 4:01 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Gas Question


How long does it take for gas to go bad before I shouldn't run it in
my Delorean?



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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 17:55:37 -0000
From: gmfm1_at_dml_att.net
Subject: Re: Gas Question

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., michaelzkqkq_at_dml_y... wrote:
> How long does it take for gas to go bad before I shouldn't run it 
in 
> my Delorean?
> 
> I've been off the list awhile, but the gas in it is about 3 months 
> old (maybe 4) and I am scared it may damage something if I try to 
run 
> it through... should I drain it?
> 
> Mike
> vin 855
Mike,
    I am sure that many D owners would tell you to drain the gas. I 
have never drained the gas except the one time I went in and replaced 
the fuel pump. I always add fuel injector cleaner, fill the tank with 
new gas and away I go. I have 46,000 + miles on the car and it sits 
all winter long. The fuel injectors are original and I have never had 
a problem, knock on wood! The one thing that you may want to consider 
is to change the fuel filter after you run the old gas out so that if 
anything does go through the system and gets caught in the filter you 
get it out before it goes any farther. See what other owners say and 
then do what you feel is right.
Happy Holidays,
Gary Masie




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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 10:12:01 -0600
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: NAPA Auto Parts Calendar

I just uploaded a copy of August 2002 Calendar photo from the new NAPA
Calendar for your viewing pleasure.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/files/august-napa-calendar.gif

It is 244K


Scott Mueller
DMCNEWS 002981
DOA 5031




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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 19:46:57 -0000
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
Subject: Re: DMC "Wishlist" for Christmas

I'm way ahead of you Stian!

A year ago I asked the list about the interest level in making a 
back-lit illuminated instument cluster.  I had enough support, so I 
began working on it.  Then summer came and I had to put my own cluster 
back in my car.  Now that winter is upon MN again, its back off and 
I'm continuing the work.  I dont have a specific timeframe when it 
will be completed, but I do hope to have a working prototype at least 
with me in Memphis.  I am currently working with a few other list 
members to produce this and hopefully sell it through one of the 
vendors.

And DMC Houston is already ahead of you with an electronic 
speedometer.  I saw a prototype they had in thier showroom during the 
open house this summer.  I put a picture of it in the FILES secion a 
while ago.  Should still be there (named speedometer.jpg).  James said 
it wouldn't be ready for about another year however.

And about your idea for a temperature display, I, again, am way ahead 
of you.  Only this is somthing I'm doing just for my own car.  Others 
could follow pursuit if they wish (I wont mind).  I pulled a 
compass/temp display out of a Chevy Blazer.  Due to the size of the 
unit, I cannot simply slap it onto the headliner.  Therefore I am 
SIGNIFICANTLY and UNREVERSABLY modifying my front-center headliner 
core to accomodate the cut up  temp. display unit.  I also hope to 
incorperate a few other items into this custom overhead console.  If 
people are interested I could write up plans on how to do this when I 
am done with the modification.

And yes, PJ Grady is working on door launchers with the Zilla line of 
products, but I have no actualy knowledge about this unit.  Otherwise 
Darryl Tinnerstet (www.delorean-parts.com) already has a system made 
up.

I personally wouldn't want ABS or Power Steering (nor the astronomical 
cost) but I'm sure there are quite a few people that do.  Many of 
those other items do seem quite interesting though. (I would love some 
DeLorean sunglasses!)

My personall addition to the wishlist, professionally engineered LED 
tail and marker lights.

Make a Poll Stian!

Jim Reeve
MNDMC - Minnesota DeLorean Club
DMC-6960






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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 18:14:34 -0000
From: "Jeff" <Gr8old1_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Futurethink: JZD's very own words.

Ok, my current status as an enthusiast has practically overtaken my 
day to day thought process. So imagine finding this gem:

I was digging out my x-mas tree just now (yes it's fake. Happy 
Holidays everyone) and as i turn around in my basement, i see a box 
of old magazines. Most of them were old Muscle and Fitness, 
Photgraphy magazines as well as some Hot Rod mags. but lo-and-behold, 
Car and Driver. Immediately i scanned to the print date. July 1980. 
This is the 25th anniversary issue. So i started scanning through to 
see if there were any ads or anything for our beloved cars as a pre-
sell for the new model year. Nothing. But as i scanned through there 
was an article about what industry honchos think will happen to the 
auto industry in the year 2000. I didn't think anything of it at 
first so i skipped it and continued searching for ads. Then i 
thought "Wait a minute, i gotta see." There it was on page 113, 
staring at me like a great speaker of the people, a picture of John 
Delorean.

Underneath the searing eyes of a man of determination, passion, and a 
dream, are his words of the future of the automobile.
_____________________________________________________

John Z. De Lorean
Chairman of the Board
De Lorean Motor Company

" The American automobile in the year 2000 will not differ 
signifcantly from the models now on the drawing boards.
Vehicles will be more aerodynamically shaped, more "European" in look 
and package efficiency, far more fuel-efficient, safer, and more 
competitive with the overseas models, which will have attained about 
half the U.S. market.
Customers will have demanded--and Detroit will have provided--higher-
quality, longer life vehicles made of stainless steel and composites.
The American family--the war now safely behind them--will be reaching 
towards a new era of creative prosperity. "Average" families will 
have three cars, identified as the "work car," the "fun car," and the 
van, now sleeker, lower, and more fuel-efficient than either the 
station wagon or the recreational vehicle. The van will not only be 
used to transport a family to a second home, but also around the 
country for outdoor vacations, easily and inexpensively converting to 
a camping, outdoors vehicle. The "fun car" will either be a sports 
car or replica.
Detroit will still be talking about mass-producing the electric car, 
but enough will be on the roads to satisfy Washington, which will 
continue to regulate the industry with the confidence of having been 
right on CAFE and safety. The government will be on the verge of 
selecting an efficient alternative fuel, and Detroit will be 
pondering how the forthcoming announcement will affect their 
planning. They conclude that it will not affect them for another ten 
years."

--In 1955, Mr. De Lorean was the director of advanced engineering at 
the Packard Motor Car Company.
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Seems he was on the verge of coining the term "mini-van" himself. I 
also thought how interesting it was that he forsees the regular use 
of stainless steel and composite materials. His words about 
aerodynamics seems to be about right on.  I'm taking this magazine 
and sealing it in a frame.


Thoughts?

Jeff Chabotte
Norwich, CT
2 jobs to a dream




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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:34:31 EST
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Exhaust Manifolds (who do you trust?)

In a message dated 11/30/01 9:42:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
dmc_delorean_2000_at_dml_yahoo.com writes:



> my pass side exhaust manifold is cracked so i bought a used one in good 
> shape (new is too expensive), but when PJ Grady had my car in 
> january, he told me it was a big job (he wanted $800 to do it). now 
> as some of you know i've had a lot of problems with mechanics so im 
> taking some of your advice to do the work myself. my question is how 
> shold i go about this? is it that big of a job that i should just let 
> 




There are a lot of things that reasonably capable owners can do by 
themselves, but a manifold job apparently isn't usually one of them.  
I must point out that when you read of complaints about "trouble with 
mechanics," you're not hearing complaints about the work done by Rob or any 
of the other DeLorean specialists. 
The main problem with the manifold repair is the bolts. Steel bolts torqued 
gut-busting tight into an aluminum engine, untouched for twenty years of 
humidity, high heat, expansion, contraction, etc., even on a low-mileage 
engine will almost certainly freeze the bolts in place.  Your chances of 
backing them all out without cracking any heads off is pretty slim. Then 
after they crack, you have to drill them out and install new threads in the 
engine block... definitely not a job for an amateur.  Get the drill angle a 
little off, and you breach one of the engine coolant channels.  The fix for 
that?  Probably a new engine block. And you'll need a 90 degree angle drill 
to be able to reach them all.  Plus you'll have to heat the bolt heads with a 
torch. Do you know how to do that without damaging your engine? I sure don't! 
 The machined faces need to be resurfaced too, before you reassemble it.  By 
the way, if you get it half off, or partially off, can you give up and drive 
it up to Rob or anyone else to repair? No, not without damaging the engine.  
You'll have to flatbed it or trailer it there. And wait for the 40 cars 
scheduled ahead of you, if you take it to a real live DeLorean expert... Rob 
or one of the few others in the country. 
Personally, I do some work on my D myself, some things I troubleshoot over 
the phone with Rob, buy parts from him, then take the parts with instructions 
to my local Volvo expert, who has done pretty well for me.  But if he drills 
my manifold bolts out wrong, he's not going to replace the block for free 
just to be nice.  For a no-margin-of- error job like this, I'd rather drive 
the 5 hours (in my case) to Long Island and let Rob do it.  Which is why my D 
is up there right now for MY noisy manifold to be fixed. As for repair costs- 
the original local mechanic I used, "Bruno," a "foreign car specialist" who 
used to own a DeLorean, replaced my brake hoses and flushed the system. (I 
supplied the brake hoses.) He also flushed the coolant and replaced some 
straight coolant hose under the car. I figured he'd charge $150 or so.  Maybe 
$200. He billed me six hundred plus, and one of my brake hoses he installed 
twisted. I gulped and paid but haven't returned. I'm sure you can find 
somebody who swears they can do manifolds cheaper, but you'll probably be the 
one swearing when they're done. You can trust ANY of the DeLorean-only 
specialists to do the job right. If you don't think you can, you might as 
well park the car and not drive it. As to what you should pay, ask the price 
in advance and be frank about your budget, whoever you go to. Take any twenty 
year old car in for repairs anywhere and say "do whatever it needs and call 
me when you're done" without asking the price and you're going to have 
sticker shock, regardless of the make or model. Trust Rob with this repair... 
or any other.

Wayne A. Ernst
DMCTech Group
lonesome for vin 11174


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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:38:01 EST
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: DeLorean Car Show (Sunstar DeLorean)

I have been quite amused on this list reading the great interest and the 
involvement that the Sunstar DeLorean model has created.

Its only in a DeLorean community that we can have a web page dedicated to the 
repairs and upgrades including photos and instructions of a $29 or so model 
including personalized liscense plates.
Well I own two of them so I'm not far behind (although I like my model car 
I'm keeping it concourse)

OK now to my point

I am adding a catagory for Modified Sunstar DeLoreans with first place prize 
$50.00.  There will be ribbons or a medal or something for a few other places 
and if the Guy that has the Sunstar repair page wants to be the judge its all 
yours.

It will cost $1.00 to enter at the show.

So if this sounds like a good idea we'll do it 
If the responses are negative then I will not do it 
So its up to you 

Anyone want to create a Curtis model????

thanks

Ken
<A HREF="http://deloreancarshow.com">DeLoreancarshow.com</A>


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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 22:41:32 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: Futurethink: JZD's very own words.

I think that pretty much all of JZD's comments were right on. If DMC 
had stayed in business, the ideas of the use of stainless steel and 
composite materials would have come true. After all, take the ideas 
for the DeLorean the DMC planned on implementing, and compare them to 
both cars of the period, and of one's today:

Powertrain:
50,000 miles.

Body:
25 years against rust & perforation.

Eviornmentally friendly:
No paint, no air pollution.

Sub structure:
Repairable/swappable chassis & light-weight underbody.

While not an option on all models that would have been produced, easy 
ingress/egreess will gullwing doors.


Another point that JZD brings up that is quite interesting is about 
having a "fun" car. It's interesting that he brings this up about 
being a classic or replicar. It is a growing trend, and after all we 
all seem to be apart of it too! :)

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 23:01:58 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: NAPA Auto Parts Calendar

Ha! I can't believe NAPA has a DeLorean in their calendar. Last time 
I went in looking for fuel & brake line hose, the guy behind the 
counter refused to help me when he found out what kind of car I had!

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> I just uploaded a copy of August 2002 Calendar photo from the new 
NAPA
> Calendar for your viewing pleasure.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/files/august-napa-calendar.gif
> 
> It is 244K
> 
> 
> Scott Mueller
> DMCNEWS 002981
> DOA 5031




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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 23:15:55 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Follow up! Sad DeLorean Story.....

I have been reading thiese posts out of curiosity, but this bit had me going "EH?!"

dmc_delorean_2000_at_dml_yahoo.com wrote:

> Aamco...  said it works fine if you shift it manualy, so they want to make it so i
> shift gears w/o a clutch, like an auto-manual. what does everyone
> think about that, is it worth it or should i go somewhere else?

The beginning makes it sound like you have an auto, the second bit makes it sound like
you have a manual with a clutch problem and you're talking about double-de-clutching, ie
changing gears without using the clutch. Semi-automatic??!?!?!! Easy to do electrically
with an auto, but AFAIK the only manufacturers to have commercially produced an
automatically controlled clutch mechanism are Alfa Romeo and Ferrari, and it costs a
bomb. How exactly would "your mechanic" achieve this?

I'm not going to comment on the rest of your mail except to say that in common with many
on this list, I find it hard to believe much of what you say. This comes from experiences
of other un-moderated mailing lists and certain "tall tales" being told..... apologies if
I'm way off the mark.

Martin
#1458
www.delorean.co.uk




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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 18:47:22 -0500
From: "Aaron C." <slider_ten_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Sad DeLorean in need of good Mechanic(L.I. NY)

Wow,

Well hello mystery poster.  Well I myself can say that you are very much in
the minority when it comes to Rob and PJ Grady.  Your story sounds like it
has many holes and you didn't do your homework before posting.

1.  Why take you car to AAMACO????  That is the biggest blunder in the
world.  That is like taking my Plymouth to a Hyundai repair shop.

2.  Frankly your opinion on how Rob Grady operates is dead wrong.  I had the
pleasure of
working for Rob the entire summer of this past year, Kevin, Dan, Mike & Mark
never hear the end of it  :) , and not once did I see Rob do unnecessary
work on a Delorean.  There were times he would tell people that they NEEDED
something or else the car would have to be back soon, but if they said no,
he wouldn't do it.  Rob is in business but he is not a theif nor dishonest.

3.  Broken key in the door??  Um, I don't know if your car was there over
the summer of 2001, but i never saw a car with a key stuck in it.  Plus I
think Rob is the kind of guy to replace it and repair it for you.  Key codes
are available to make new keys.  Rob has the ability to take the lock apart
to fix it.  Don't BS us.

4.  If you pay $15k for a car, at what point do you say it's okay to put
$12k into it for repairs?!?!?  You could have 2 delorean s-boxes or an
awesome, nicely kept delorean that would give you no trouble!  It's frankly
stupid to do repairs on a car that end up costing almost the same as what
you paid for it.  I'd never put $5k into my Plymouth that I paid $5k for
unless it was over the course of like 10 years.  Lets be reasonable here.


5.  Best advice:  Sell the car to some sorry sap who wants a car so badly he
won't do his homework or someone willing to take up a big resto job.  Then
do it the RIGHT way and get a car for $17k and look it over before you buy
it.  Getting something called a VIN helps too.

The moral of the story is that you could own a DMC Houston resto car for the
amount you've put into this POS.

-Aaron Crocco
Future Delorean Owner
Current NY Plate: OUTATYM






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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:16:55 EST
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com
Subject: Re: PJ Grady Apology (sad dmc)

Tony, I think you're going to have to be more clear because some
things are still not adding up, at least to me now.  You say you
speant $15,000 on this car and that it was in great condition when
you bought it, but PJ Grady told you it is "the worst car he's
every seen" as is worth nothing?  Is this really what he said or
are you exaggerating?  While I'm at it let me ask another question:
Did you spend $15,000 *actual dollars* on the car, or is that the
price of a loan you took out to buy an older fixer-uper and only
speant a portion for the actual car?  I know its hard to communicate
through writing a post sometimes, but please type everything
out as clearly as possible.

What you may also want to do in that regard is list out everything
that is wrong with the car in a well organized manner so folks
here can try to help you diagnose yours problems.  Let's maybe
start with the transmission; tell us how the problem started,
tell us what was done to it, and tell us what it is doing now.  The
list was a BIG help to me last year when I needed to fix my auto
trans, and they (along with a good shop) totally fixed my problem
(although I still leak some fluid, which is another problem I'm
working on.)  So PLEASE just clearly spell out everythin that is
going on so you can get some genuine help, ok?

Still trying to help,

Richard
 



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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:35:49 EST
From: AJL521_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Fuel guage

Hello list,

Eariler this year I installed TankZilla in my 81 D, the only problem is that 
the guage still points straight up, the low fuel light however works well 
now.  Any ideas on what can cause this problem, is it the wiring to the 
sender or the guage in the dash?  

Any insite would be very helpful
Andy
4194



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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:37:10 EST
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Follow up! Sad DeLorean Story.....

Sounds like you're in way over your head. Do you have a lot of money for a 
teenager? Can mechanics smell the money on you when  you walk in. If so, with 
what you seem to know about cars, and your aparent lack of previous hands on 
mechanical experience, it seems to me that you're a sitting duck. I think you 
should consider selling the Delorean and leasing something. Go to college, 
graduate, earn 6 figures, and buy a refurbed one when you can afford it. 
No offense, but when I was a teenager, I owned a $200.00 Datsun 510 that I 
had to drop a junk yard engine into before I could even take my first 
drive... I see lots of high school and college kids in the town where I live 
where dad has set them up with a BMW, Lexus, Z3 or a Porsche.  It blows me 
away. Where would they be without dad?
Good luck Tony,
Jim



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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 03:53:16 -0000
From: gmfm1_at_dml_att.net
Subject: Re: Follow up! Sad DeLorean Story.....

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., dmc_delorean_2000_at_dml_y... wrote:
> well i have actually just joined the DML, before that i've heard of 
> it but never realy looked into it. 
'''> 
> once again i would like to appoligize if i have offended anyone 
> (especialy PJ Grady who i hear is an awsome guy, i must have just 
> caught him at a bad time period) and if i have offended anyone, im 
> sorry i didnt mean to, but i was just expressing my thoughts and 
> knowlege.

HI,
     I'm still confused. Do you have a five speed manual or an 
automatic? If you have the 5 speed manual, how are you going to shift 
without a clutch? If it is the automatic, your problem sounded like 
the shift computer. Aamco definitely is not the place to go with any 
car as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't let them work on my car if 
they were the last place around.
     I thought that you said the car ran fine when you got it so what 
happened that you needed work?
     I had a friend that took his Delorean to the places that his dad 
told him to go see. He almost always had more trouble after these 
trusted mechanics worked on his car. He then ended up at my place or 
P.J.Grady's.
     Experience and knowledge of this car is very important when 
getting it fixed. Have you tried Volvo mechanics since you don't want 
to go back to P.J.Grady's?
     Lastly, I have known Rob for many years now and have had him do 
some work on my car a number of times. I have found the work to be 
excellent, the people always helpful even when calling in only for 
advice. I don't understand how you had such a bad experience there.
     The car can be and is a reliable car when properly maintained 
and repaired. As others had suggested, you need to become friends 
with some other owners that could help.
Good luck,
Gary Masie




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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 04:06:32 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: Futurethink: JZD's very own words.

Oops! That's what I get for wrinting messages in a hurry!

What I ment to say was that with these types of unique features 
and warranties of the DMC-12 _at_dml_ the time, this would really have 
been the equivalent of DMC setting a new standard for cars that 
other companies would have had to follow.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., DMCVegas_at_dml_l... wrote:
> I think that pretty much all of JZD's comments were right on. If 
DMC 
> had stayed in business, the ideas of the use of stainless steel 
and 
> composite materials would have come true. After all, take the 
ideas 
> for the DeLorean the DMC planned on implementing, and 
compare them to 
> both cars of the period, and of one's today:
> 
> Powertrain:
> 50,000 miles.
> 
> Body:
> 25 years against rust & perforation.
> 
> Eviornmentally friendly:
> No paint, no air pollution.
> 
> Sub structure:
> Repairable/swappable chassis & light-weight underbody.
> 
> While not an option on all models that would have been 
produced, easy 
> ingress/egreess will gullwing doors.
> 
> 
> Another point that JZD brings up that is quite interesting is 
about 
> having a "fun" car. It's interesting that he brings this up about 
> being a classic or replicar. It is a growing trend, and after all 
we 
> all seem to be apart of it too! :)
> 
> -Robert
> vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 04:10:32 -0000
From: gmfm1_at_dml_att.net
Subject: Re: DMC "Wishlist" for Christmas

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_i...> wrote:
> I'm way ahead of you Stian!
> 
> A year ago I asked the list about the interest level in making a 
> back-lit illuminated instument cluster.  > 
> Jim Reeve
> MNDMC - Minnesota DeLorean Club
> DMC-6960

Dear Jim,
     I think the door opening kit at Speciality is a lock/unlock 
remote kit, not actually a door opening kit. I have seen Rob's doors 
open from his remote switch.
Happy holidays,
Gary Masie




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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 22:30:50 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Red DeLorean with a pedigree

I just met a guy named John Johnson from Ohio who had a red DeLorean with
him at a cruise-in car show in Tampa.  He claims that this car was painted
red by the dealership that JZD's brother owned in Cincinnati and that he
bought it in 1985.  The way he described it, it sounded like it was once a
personal car of JZD's brother.  I seem to remember reading somewhere that
there was such a car, but then there may have been several that fit this
description.  For those of you keeping statistics this car is VIN 007171 Nov
'81 build but considered an '82 model with gray interior and manual
transmission.  This car has barely over 6400 miles on it and looks new.  The
engine appears factory original with no turbos or anything.  All the gray
parts of the car have been painted red except for the door jams.  The
lettering on the bumper have been painted red, too.  There is a silver &
black pinstripe that hooks around the back of the air scoops.

Can anyone say whether this car has a history that makes it more
collectable?  The owner seems to think so.

Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 03:13:03 -0000
From: "Jeff" <Gr8old1_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: DeLorean Car Show (Sunstar DeLorean)

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., kkoncelik_at_dml_a... wrote:
> and if the Guy that has the Sunstar repair page wants to be the 
judge its all 
> yours.

I would LOVE to do that! This is a sure-fire event! My place in 
Memphis is already reserved too, and i look forward to placing names 
with faces. Although i have yet to purchase my D, i cannot be dragged 
away from it. Let's make it happen! some possible catagories:

Best Paint: This could include plating in other colors as well. maybe 
a seperate category for plated models!

Best customizing: fix up the car in any fashion, make it unique! get 
another engine from another model, be creative!

Best Replication: Got a customized full-sized D? replicate the car in 
miniature! For instance if Grady redid his green car in miniature 
that would be pretty wild!

Concours: Well, i guess a "best box" would be the deciding factor!

If it is decided that there will be a miniature show, I will be 
promoting it on my website along with helping design some ribbons and 
possible other things!

Jeff Chabotte, 
Webmaster, http://www.88-mph.com
Norwich, CT.
2 jobs to a dream.




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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 23:17:19 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: heli-coils in rear hub carrier

In the process of replacing my rear brakes (I finally made some time to work
on it today, yeaaa!) I noticed that the bolt holes in the rear hub carrier
that hold the brake calipers on had heli-coil inserts in them.  My immediate
thought was that some previous mechanic stripped the threads and did a
marginal repair to a critical part.  Well, I compared to another DeLorean
and looked in the parts manual, and evidently this is the way they are
supposed to be.  But to me it makes no sense why they used a heli-coil when
a regular thread might do better.  Can anyone say if all the hub carriers
were originally tapped with the wrong size and had to be fixed with a
helicoil?  Or did they use the helicoil to make the aluminum threads
stronger?  It seems this would make it weaker, but I'm not a metallurgist.
It also seems strange that they would use a 7/16" x 20tpi bolt with a 5/8"
head when they could have used something in metric.  After all, the front
calipers are held on with metric bolts, so why were the rears done in
odd-ball inch stuff?

Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 23
Date: 2 Dec 2001 08:22:31 -0000
From: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Poll results for dmcnews


The following dmcnews poll is now closed.  Here are the 
final results: 


POLL QUESTION: For DeLorean Owners - Who do you use 
for your DeLorean insurance?
Yours not listed? Let me know at 
michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com and I will 
try to add it to the list! 

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- AAA, 2 votes, 2.82%  
- AIG, 0 votes, 0.00%  
- Allstate, 7 votes, 9.86%  
- Erie, 4 votes, 5.63%  
- First Trenton, 0 votes, 0.00%  
- Grundy, 0 votes, 0.00%  
- Haggerty, 11 votes, 15.49%  
- Ohio Casualty, 0 votes, 0.00%  
- Prudential, 2 votes, 2.82%  
- State Farm, 16 votes, 22.54%  
- Taylor, 0 votes, 0.00%  
- Wawanesa, 0 votes, 0.00%  
- Liberty Mutual, 1 votes, 1.41%  
- Other, 28 votes, 39.44%  



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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 04:59:12 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: Fuel guage

Before posting this to the DML your first step should be to go to the 
"source". Either contact the vender you got the Tankzilla from or go 
directly to Mr. Zilla. They will break their h-mp to get you fixed up. 
But remember the Tankzilla can only correct a bad sending unit, if the 
guage is not connected properly or is defective it can't fix that!
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., AJL521_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Hello list,
> 
> Eariler this year I installed TankZilla in my 81 D, the only problem 
is that 
> the guage still points straight up, the low fuel light however works 
well 
> now.  Any ideas on what can cause this problem, is it the wiring to 
the 
> sender or the guage in the dash?  
> 
> Any insite would be very helpful
> Andy
> 4194




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Message: 25
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 01:23:22 EST
From: deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Red DeLorean with a pedigree

If he doesn't have title records to back the story up, then there isn't much 
to go on. Like him, I have a red D, and I was told a "sweet" story to go with 
my car. I was a bit more naive with Deloreans, and I believed that my car had 
been factory painted as some sort of market study. I do not believe this 
anymore. However, I do know that my gray interior 82 was painted at the 
dealership in Texas, and I have the titles from new to prove it. That's the 
only way that you can be sure that it wasn't painted on down the line. The 
fact that the door jams weren't painted on his car, meaning the stainless 
part, makes me suspicious. My dealer job covers everything. The car could be 
easily disassembled, especially by a dealer, to paint the panels 
individually. This would be necessary to get the best coverage and a factory 
look. I would be a bit suspicious of such a claim, but then again, who knows? 
Where is the proof?

John Weaver
ETDOC
RED DMC #10527


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