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Date: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:42 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Ultimate 1/24th scale delorean
From: "delorean502" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>

2. broken louvre
From: jugeauj_at_dml_gdls.com

3. Re: Side Rocker Panels
From: "jamesrguk" <dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com>

4. New Poll!
From: "dmcnorway" <delorean_at_dml_online.no>

5. Re: louvre paint
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>

6. Re: broken louvre
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>

7. Official word on torsion bars from a DMC (Houston) representative
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

8. Re: broken louvre
From: "Donald Ekhoff" <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>

9. Re: Can someone answer my question?
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>

10. Re: broken louvre
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

11. Re: broken louvre
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>

12. Re: Torsion Bars
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

13. Stereo fuse
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

14. Re: Stereo fuse
From: "dmc6960" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>

15. RE: Re: Can someone answer my question?
From: mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net

16. Re: broken louvre
From: "carnut4849" <gmfm1_at_dml_att.net>

17. prototype #502 twin turbo
From: "snextime" <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>

18. voice instead of buzzer?
From: "Cameron Putsch" <putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu>

19. Re: Torsion Bars
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

20. Re: No wipers when it's cold?
From: "dherv10" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>

21. Torsion Bars
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

22. RE: voice instead of buzzer?
From: "Buckner, William" <William.Buckner_at_dml_pfizer.com>

23. AW: DeLorean Comercials
From: klaus-peter.steiner_at_dml_rweplus.com

24. Re: Torsion Bars
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

25. Re: Torsion Bars
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 21:01:09 -0000
From: "delorean502" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: Ultimate 1/24th scale delorean

Hi,
I wanted to post part of an email that I received from the person who 
created this model.  

 I had just gotten it back together after re-wiring it
so I took some pics with the lights on.  The doors and hood are all
counter-balanced with stainless steel brush wire so they actually stay
up by themselves.  They also have latches so they stay closed.  The
seats slide back and forth.  The suspension actually works.  If I
recall, each of the gas struts is actually 5 pieces, and they actually
slide in and out with a little resistance.  The pullstraps on the 
doors
are actually through the door handle.  19 working light bulbs, and 4
working earbud speakers are inside.




Erik




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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:24:16 -0500
From: jugeauj_at_dml_gdls.com
Subject: broken louvre


The "spine" of my louvre in broken.
No missing parts.
Does anyone recommend an epoxy?

Thanks in advanced.

Louis





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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 22:17:20 -0000
From: "jamesrguk" <dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Side Rocker Panels

Hi all,

Don't forget that stainless steel and aluminium are bad news when 
put together, after a period of time they will react and effectivly 
weld themselves together.

I just remember from my sailing days that screwing a stainless bolt 
into a peice of aluminium was a big no no.

<snip>
> I am slowly in the midst of replacing all that I can on the car 
with
> stainless .. hence my wanting to remove these
<snip>

Regards

James RG

P.S. Please correct me if I am wrong.




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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 22:23:45 -0000
From: "dmcnorway" <delorean_at_dml_online.no>
Subject: New Poll!

[ Moderator's note: Good idea Stian. This is a better way to go than endless comments on a subject with no real answer.]



IF the DeLorean was to be re-produced in its original design, would 
you buy a new one? The new DeLorean has a revised, updated and safe 
electrical system (fan fail), the new Houston 200HP PRV-engine and 
electronic fuel injection...There is however another option. You can 
have the new DeLorean with thermo-plastic panels. Its a bit cheaper 
than the other.

Go to:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/polls

Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
Norway

VIN # 06759




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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:10:33 -0500
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Re: louvre paint

The vent behind the door is functional, sort of.  I just found this out
when I had the quarter panel off... It's indirectly connected to the
interior of the car behind the rear speaker.

Also, about the louvres, mine (I thought) were badly faded, but I found
that it was more dirty than faded.  The gray/ white muck came off leaving
a dark gray (what I assume is original...  I just scrubbed it with
acetone for a few seconds....

1537

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 23:30:10 -0000
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>
Subject: Re: broken louvre

Louis - I would think that simply trying to glue the "spine" at the 
crack would not be sufficient.  I believe that several vendors offer 
reinforcement straps that are scalloped to fit the louver, and fasten 
to the center spine with bolts.  They replace the strength lost due to 
the crack.  A friend of mine had a similar occurrence, except his side 
rails cracked (long story).  I fabricated some braces from some 
inconel strap material that I had, and bolted them in.  Worked great.

Toby peterson  VIN 2248
Winged1  

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., jugeauj_at_dml_g... wrote:
> 
> The "spine" of my louvre in broken.
> No missing parts.
> Does anyone recommend an epoxy?
> 
> Thanks in advanced.
> 
> Louis




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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 17:43:28 -0600
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Official word on torsion bars from a DMC (Houston) representative

There are no LH torsion bars available. RH are plentiful. The insinuation
that we will sell a part to an individual in the "southwestern region"
(where I used to live before relocating to Houston), versus the eastern part
of the US (where Dan #5493 apparently resides), is unfounded and resented.

Evidently in Cleveland, I made a mistake and mis-identified one torsion bar
versus another at the warehouse in Columbus. If this error on my part has
caused anyone grave discomfort or misfortune, I am sorry.

Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas 

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com


> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_h...> wrote:
>> On 10/29, I posted this question to the list in the hopes that someone could
>> answer it for me.
>> 
>> "I'm confused here. I wanted to purchase a drivers side tortion bar so I
>> could just have an extra one in case something ever happened to mine. I
>> remember seeing posts that DMC Houston has plenty available. But when I
>> called, Warren said that none are left! What's the deal here? I remember
>> James saying that there were pleanty available and that there is no shortage
>> when Dave Stragand lost his on the way to the Cleveland show. Can someone
>> please straighten this confusion out?"
>> 
>> Now, I heard no response from anyone... not even a representative from
>> Houston. Am I being ignored? I'm asking a legitimate question here...
>> 
>> I have heard that the tortion bars are available to only "certain people"...
>> particularly DeLorean owners in the southwestern region. Is this true? What's
>> the deal here? I know of a few people here on the east coast who have broken
>> tortion bars, but they can't get one from Houston. This does not sound fair
>> to me. Can SOMEBODY please clarify... Thank you.
>> 
>> ---Dan (vin# 5493, name: puleeze... it's a car!!!) :-P




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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:41:50 -0800
From: "Donald Ekhoff" <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>
Subject: Re: broken louvre

The best stuff I have ever found for general repairs is "J. B. Weld" two
part epoxy sold in most auto part stores.  Be sure to flush any silicone
"armorall" type contamination that might have worked it's way into the joint
prior to bonding.  Clamp the joint so as to stabilize the joint for a 24
hour cure.  I have also strengthened my fractured louver by carving grooves
on each side of the "spine" and laying in tooth pick sized pieces of
stainless steel wire that bridge the repaired joint and make it stronger
than the original material.  The grooves can be carved with a Dremel Tool
and must be deep enough to fully accept the stainless wires.  The excess JB
Weld can then be sanded off and the repair painted black.  Done right this
will not break again and will be undetectable to the eye..

Don Ekhoff


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To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:24 PM
Subject: [DML] broken louvre


>
> The "spine" of my louvre in broken.
> No missing parts.
> Does anyone recommend an epoxy?
>
> Thanks in advanced.
>
> Louis
>
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 23:46:13 -0000
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>
Subject: Re: Can someone answer my question?

In regards to the torsion bars, these will be very difficult to 
re-create.  If I understand the technology and history correctly, 
Grumman Aerospace made these in a fashion similar to the F-16 canopy 
torsion springs.  Because of the enormous stresses on our bars 
(nearly a 90 degree twist in a part only a couple of feet long) the 
bars were cryogenically tempered in liquid helium at about 7 degrees 
Kelvin.  That's very cold, by the way.  This is much different than 
the typical spring tempering at high temperatures, with a quench in 
oil or air.  Bottom line - I don't think that the local spring house 
is going to want to attempt these.  What to do?  I don't know at this 
point.  Does anybody on the list have a different perspective on my 
understanding?  I would almost think that a call to Northrop-Grumman 
might at least be interesting.  Perhaps I can dredge up a contact.

Toby Peterson  VIN 2248
Winged1 

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Ed Garbade" <edgarbade_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> Anyone seriously looked into what it would take to run a fibrication 
> production of them?  Houston...?





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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 15:58:52 +0000
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Re: broken louvre

If you'd like to try, the TV fixers use a product called Plas-T-Pair.  It was originally
developed to repair broken channel selector knobs, a very big problem in the early days.
Tough stuff, sets up very fast, it's a liquid/powder epoxy.  Usually only available from
electronics parts houses.   If it can be done, this stuff will do it.


jugeauj_at_dml_gdls.com wrote:

> The "spine" of my louvre in broken.
> No missing parts.
> Does anyone recommend an epoxy?
>
> Thanks in advanced.
>
> Louis
>
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:28:44 -0500
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Re: broken louvre

I tried a 2-part epoxy that failed.  You may have better luck with a
fiberglass resin with hardener; perhaps even adding some fibre mat....

Grady also sells a stainless spine that fits over your old spine to add
strength;  Hopefully with these two fixes (my) spine won't break
anymore....

1537

On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:24:16 -0500 jugeauj_at_dml_gdls.com writes:
> 
> The "spine" of my louvre in broken.
> No missing parts.
> Does anyone recommend an epoxy?
> 
> Thanks in advanced.
> 
> Louis
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 00:10:23 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Torsion Bars

First off please accept a disclaimer that I may get some of my facts a little wrong
because it's from a conversation I had some months ago after Dan first asked me if I knew
anything about them over here.

Even though the process was developed by Grumman, they were actually manufactured over
here. I did not pursue the matter, but we DO have a contact with one of the guys who
originally made the bars, and if memory serves, the bars were "simply" twisted through 11
complete revolutions at a particular temperature (it may have been liquit nitrogen, not
helium, but I can't remember).

I also know there are several unused pairs of bars "floating around" here, though it's
not a commonly needed part, so we've never chased up on the supply. It's not like
Windscreens! (which, you may be interested to learn, I've found a source of at 250 each,
both Green and Bronze still avalable)

Best Wishes

Martin
#1458
DOC UK
www.delorean.co.uk

tmpintnl wrote:

> In regards to the torsion bars, these will be very difficult to
> re-create.  If I understand the technology and history correctly,
> Grumman Aerospace made these in a fashion similar to the F-16 canopy
> torsion springs.  Because of the enormous stresses on our bars
> (nearly a 90 degree twist in a part only a couple of feet long) the
> bars were cryogenically tempered in liquid helium at about 7 degrees
> Kelvin.  That's very cold, by the way.  This is much different than
> the typical spring tempering at high temperatures, with a quench in
> oil or air.  Bottom line - I don't think that the local spring house
> is going to want to attempt these.  What to do?  I don't know at this
> point.  Does anybody on the list have a different perspective on my
> understanding?  I would almost think that a call to Northrop-Grumman
> might at least be interesting.  Perhaps I can dredge up a contact.
>
> Toby Peterson  VIN 2248
> Winged1




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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 00:19:59 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Stereo fuse

Hi all

Since I got my car, the Stereo hasn't worked (original Craig). The fuse in the relay
comparment is fine and the clock works (which according to the wiring diagram shares a
feed, presumably the ignition switch). I'm, wondering where exactly are the In-line fuses
to the stereo (item #57 on the wiring diagram)?

The cigarette lighter works, the clock works and dims correctly (well, it works _now_
after a couple of thumps :-), I'm just stuck listening to the engine on my way to work!

Best Wishes

Martin
#1458
www.delorean.co.uk

(PS I've only driven the D into work once!)








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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 03:21:29 -0000
From: "dmc6960" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
Subject: Re: Stereo fuse

There are two inline fuses directly behind the radio.  Feel behind the 
center console trim panel on the passenger side and you will find 
them.  There is pleanty of slack to pull them out to easily change.  
They are also the most common ones to blow causing the radio not to 
work.

Jim Reeve
MNDMC - Minnesota DeLorean Club
DMC-6960

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> Since I got my car, the Stereo hasn't worked (original Craig). The 
fuse in the relay
> comparment is fine and the clock works (which according to the 
wiring diagram shares a
> feed, presumably the ignition switch). I'm, wondering where exactly 
are the In-line fuses
> to the stereo (item #57 on the wiring diagram)?
> 
> The cigarette lighter works, the clock works and dims correctly 
(well, it works _now_
> after a couple of thumps :-), I'm just stuck listening to the engine 
on my way to work!
> 
> Best Wishes
> 
> Martin
> #1458
> www.delorean.co.uk
> 
> (PS I've only driven the D into work once!)




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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 23:02:52 -0500
From: mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net
Subject: RE: Re: Can someone answer my question?

Toby,
Could this mean that we might be able to add to the "TOBY BOLTS"  the new and improved "TOBY TORSION BAR"?

Jim Sawyer
vin 4149 
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 04:26:56 -0000
From: "carnut4849" <gmfm1_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: broken louvre

Hi Louis,
     I had a crack appear in my louvers many years ago. I ended up 
making brackets out of aluminum and screwed them together through the 
center spine. I haven't had a problem since and the additional weight 
has not affected the louvers from being held up by the shocks. A 
second benefit is the I use the braces to hold the wires to my two 16 
LED third brake lights. I have these brackets available if you are 
interested. Good luck in whatever you do.
Happy Holidays,
Gary Masie

> The "spine" of my louvre in broken.
> No missing parts.
> Does anyone recommend an epoxy?
> 
> Thanks in advanced.
> 
> Louis




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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 04:43:05 -0000
From: "snextime" <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>
Subject: prototype #502 twin turbo

did it sell or is the owner still hanging onto it? ebay.....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=
598456078





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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 00:33:56 +0100
From: "Cameron Putsch" <putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu>
Subject: voice instead of buzzer?

I was checking out a poll and one of the options was a female voice saying fasten seatbelts instead of that crappy buzzer. Does anyone offer this? 

Casey at putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu


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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 00:56:09 EST
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Torsion Bars

Toby, I have talked to an employee who worked at the manufacturing plant that 
made them. He was one of the application engineers I told the group I talked 
to a couple of week ago. I could possibility get him to track down some info, 
but I would assume Houston would be working on it since it's such a critical 
part of the car. I will make the calls tomorrow. Friday.
John Hervey
www.Special T Auto.com



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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 06:22:14 -0000
From: "dherv10" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: No wipers when it's cold?

Just my 2 cents, I don't make a lot of comments on the mechanical 
side of the car, But since it involes electrical I will do so. First 
the motors get worn and a little sloppy and if you ever look in one 
you will know what I mean. Grey gooy gunk. When this hardens in cold 
weather the magnetic motor will have a hard time running due to the 
rotor being off center.I have taken them apart and cleaned them out 
and relubricated them with a light grease that won't freez up in the 
cold, but at best it's temporary. If the motor and gears arn't to 
expensive, then I would replace the unit. If worst comes to worst we 
can replace the bearings. but you can't take away the wear on the 
gears.
John Hervey
www.Special T auto.com
Home of where did all the cowboys Go.


--- In mcnews_at_dml_y..., deloreanernst_at_dml_a... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/4/01 9:04:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> weader_at_dml_m... writes:
> 
> 
> 
> > When I first start the car in the morning and all the systems
> > are cold, my wipers don't work.  After about 10 minutes, when the 
car has
> > heated up and the interior has heated up, they start working 
again.
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> Happened to me once recently, following a brief grinding noise, but 
later I 
> flipped them  on without thinking and they worked fine. I posted a 
query here 
> but no luck. Can't tell you the cure yet, but I can after I get vin 
11174 
> back from Rob where I'm having some minor glitches looked into 
besides my 
> manifolds.
> -Wayne A. Ernst
> DMCTech Group
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 01:51:50 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Torsion Bars


[moderators note: 
The bars are made to twist in one direction based on which side of the car they're designed for. That's the reason they use a different configuration for each side's retaining bracket. They were imersed in liquid nitrogen and then when they reached a specfic temperature they were given a specific number of twists in a direction dependent on which side of the car they were to be for. This lined the molocules up in a manner that allowed the exteme twisting that they do. Unique equipment was used to do this and if this equipment has been scrapped then this will become a very expensive project to replace them.] 


I have never compared a RH & LH torsion bar side by side, but aren't they
pretty much identical except for the front end where they fit into the
hinges?  If this is so, then couldn't a RH torsion bar be used on the left
side if a custom hinge were made to take it?  This would be cheaper than
having new torsion bars custom made.  Though if it worked, then it would
deplete the supply of RH torsion bars and then we would be forced to have
new ones made eventually anyway.

I have noticed that torque sticks that are used with impact wrenches are
sort of like mini-torsion bars.  I suspect that torque sticks are made by a
similar process as torsion bars and have the same spring-like qualities.  I
suspect that whoever can make torque sticks could also make torsion bars.
Can anyone say if this is worth checking into?

When a torsion eventually breaks with use, at what point along the bar do
they usually break?  I know that scratches can create fractures, but what
I'm asking is if there are any particularly vulnerable spots?  Why I ask is
because I have noticed that the bar sits very close to the rear hinge and
might possibly get scored by it.  Is this a real problem or just looks that
way?

Food for thought.
Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 06:49:36 -0500
From: "Buckner, William" <William.Buckner_at_dml_pfizer.com>
Subject: RE: voice instead of buzzer?

Cadillac and one of the foreign manufactures in the early 80's (I think it
was Datsun at the time) had an interesting voice system on it.  I
specifically remember the statement, "The door is a jar" from a seductive
voice (female).



Bill Buckner

Instrumentation Supervisor
Electrical and Instrument Dept.
Pfizer, Inc.
Global Manufacturing
Holland, MI Facility
   %   Phone:  616-392-2375  x-2449
 *   Fax:      616-392-8267
     *  Email:    william.buckner_at_dml_pfizer.com




-----Original Message-----
From: Cameron Putsch [mailto:putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 6:34 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] voice instead of buzzer?


I was checking out a poll and one of the options was a female voice saying
fasten seatbelts instead of that crappy buzzer. Does anyone offer this? 

Casey at putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu


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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 13:24:24 +0100
From: klaus-peter.steiner_at_dml_rweplus.com
Subject: AW: DeLorean Comercials


	It  would be very nice to have the commercials and other stuff on
DVD, also having the DeLorean-rated books as pdf on CD, but how about the
copyrights ????

	Klaus Steiner
	VIN 05980
	Germany
	http://www.steinerklaus.de 

	>  Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:08:28 +0100
	>  From: "Stian Birkeland" <delorean_at_dml_online.no>
	>Subject: RE: DeLorean Commercials




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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 09:06:36 EST
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Torsion Bars

In a message dated 12/5/01 7:52:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk writes:


> I would almost think that a call to Northrop-Grumman
> >

If I recall correctly, John DeLorean personally holds the copyright on the 
torsion bars.  If so, anyone who wanted to make up a new supply would need 
his permission. In any case, I'd like to know what the vendors intend to do 
about this.  (James...?)
-Wayne A. Ernst
DMCTech Group


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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 15:05:21 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Torsion Bars

NEVER try to switch side to side. As the moderater points out even 
though they physically can fit either side they are NOT 
interchangeable. I have not seen enough broken torsion bars to say 
with certainty but I suspect there are two main reasons that the bars 
break. The first is from people adjusting them without enough 
experience. The second is because the bar passes so close to the rear 
hinge it can scratch it. Whenever I adjust torsion bars I place a 
scrap of an old inner tube (rubber) between the bar and the rear 
hinge. On my car I have pieces glued in so the torsion bar cannot 
touch the hinge. Especially when adjusting the bars they can move 
around and touch the hinge. This is how one broke on me. Fortunatly 
the door was closed at the time and it was a right side bar. Never go 
near the torsion bar with anything metallic except at the end to 
adjust it. A very good idea would be to cover the torsion bar with a 
heat-shrink tube and put a nice warning label on it saying part under 
extreme stress and not to touch it without taking proper precautions. 
If the supply of torsion bars is depleted and cannot be resourced it 
might be possible to go to a two strut system with stronger struts. Or 
 maybe something like the Bricklin?
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> 
> [moderators note: 
> The bars are made to twist in one direction based on which side of 
the car they're designed for. That's the reason they use a different 
configuration for each side's retaining bracket. They were imersed in 
liquid nitrogen and then when they reached a specfic temperature they 
were given a specific number of twists in a direction dependent on 
which side of the car they were to be for. This lined the molocules up 
in a manner that allowed the exteme twisting that they do. Unique 
equipment was used to do this and if this equipment has been scrapped 
then this will become a very expensive project to replace them.] 
> 
> 
> I have never compared a RH & LH torsion bar side by side, but aren't 
they
> pretty much identical except for the front end where they fit into 
the
> hinges?  If this is so, then couldn't a RH torsion bar be used on 
the left
> side if a custom hinge were made to take it?  This would be cheaper 
than
> having new torsion bars custom made.  Though if it worked, then it 
would
> deplete the supply of RH torsion bars and then we would be forced to 
have





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