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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 822
Date: Saturday, December 08, 2001 12:07 PM

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There are 16 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Torsion Bar failure?
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com

2. A DeLorean for sale and a sad day for me
From: "Aaron King" <floodle_at_dml_subdimension.com>

3. Re: Torsion Bar failure?
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>

4. Re: Torsion Bars
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>

5. Re: Grounds
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>

6. Re: Torsion Bars reversed?
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>

7. NEW Delorean Caricature
From: wingd2_at_dml_aol.com

8. Re: New polls! New polls! New polls!
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

9. Re: Torsion Bars
From: tonilfhs98_at_dml_aol.com

10. DeLorean sighting on TV
From: Grigor Maksudyan <delorean66_at_dml_yahoo.com>

11. Sun Star Models.
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

12. Great MyDMC Photo
From: "David Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

13. Re: Re: Torsion Bars ReVisited
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

14. Re: Re: Grounds
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

15. New parts
From: "dherv10" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>

16. Back online
From: Farrar Hudkins <fhudkins_at_dml_uno.edu>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 18:11:40 EST
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com
Subject: Re: Torsion Bar failure?

My driver's side strut is gone too (door opens too fast) so I am very careful and gentle with opening my door.  So far I've had nothing give way, but I like you am now freshly scared by this conversation.  I just wish there was someone in this area who could look at my torsion bars for me, adjust them if necessary, and help me replace my gas strut.  (Are the struts just as difficult to replace as the torsion bar?)

Richard 
Modesto, CA (Would any Northern Cal DeLorean owners be willing to help me out for a small fee?)

  



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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 23:17:57
From: "Aaron King" <floodle_at_dml_subdimension.com>
Subject: A DeLorean for sale and a sad day for me

Hello all,

I am sad to say that because I wish to continue going to college, I must now 
sell my DeLorean vin#1217.  I love my D, but in the end I had to choose 
between an education or the car.  Check out the little web page I made up at 
http://www.floodle.org/car.html  If you know someone who might be 
interested, please pass on the url.  The car is an 81, with hood lines and 
fuel flap.  It has ~13,000 miles.  There is a list of work done to it so far 
on that web page.  The asking price right now is set at $20,000.  I will try 
to answer any questions sent to floodle_at_dml_floodle.org

:(
Aaron King
Bothell, WA
vin#1217 (not for much longer)

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 23:59:23 -0000
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>
Subject: Re: Torsion Bar failure?

This is the land of the free and home of the brave ... feel free to be 
brave!  The torsion bar is loaded with the door in the closed 
position, and is relatively relaxed when the door is open.  I 
personally know of one car where both bars failed, a couple of months 
apart.  The failures happened while driving down the road with the 
doors closed (obviously).  The only challenge was getting the door 
open to get out of the car.  A strong guy can do it with a little 
grunting, but if you're not so strong ...  No other damage occurred to 
the car.  I personally have never had a torsion bar failure in my car. 
I don't know of any injuries from a failure - the guy who owned the 
car mentioned above said he almost had a heart attack when the bar 
broke with a BANG just above his head.  The bar does not fly off 
anywhere, it just snaps, and then is relaxed. The failures are 
actually more prone to happen in cars with deteriorated gas struts 
because people tend to over-tighten the bar to compensate for the bad 
gas strut, instead of paying the money for a new strut.  "Pay me now, 
or pay me later" is a good motto for this.  Good fresh gas struts and 
properly lubed hinges will keep the adjustments of the bars to a 
minumum, which is a good thing.  I very much appreciated the post that 
gave the link to the Patent Office.  I was able to read the patent 
information, and these torsion bars are designed to operate at between 
80% - 95% of ultimate allowable stresses.  That is incredible!  But 
... I digress.

Toby Peterson  VIN 2248
Winged1      


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "at88mph" <at88mph_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> All this talk about the torsion bars has got me wondering...    
Between this and the trailing arm bolt issue, I've now gone 
back to driving my other car. :-/
> 
> 
> Thanks for any insight!




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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 00:07:39 -0000
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>
Subject: Re: Torsion Bars

We have a member in the PNDC who has two struts on each door ... a 
smaller one at the front, and the normal one at the rear.  The 
modification is relatively easy.  I will try to get some information 
on how it was done.  I saw the installation, and it is quite slick.  
This could take some of the strain off of the bars.  I know that the 
couple had to exert more effort to get the doors closed than a normal 
car.  Reducing the stress on the bars would probably allow this 
configuration to work just like a stock door in terms of ease of door 
movement.

Toby Peterson  VIN 2248
Winged1

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Ed Garbade" <edgarbade_at_dml_h...> wrote:
  
> Maybe use a spring and then add stronger struts to make up for the 
limited lift supplied by the spring (assuming a spring does not exist 
that could completely replace the bar)?
> 
> BTW, has anyone looked at stronger struts?
> 
> Ed
> 10541





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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 00:14:56 -0000
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>
Subject: Re: Grounds

After I cleaned all of the grounding locations, and reinstalled the 
wires, I applied a coating of dielectric grease to the area.  It seems 
to stay in there very well, and is actually designed to protect 
electrical connections from moisture.  I also installed some extra 
grounding straps between the engine, transmission, and frame.  They 
expected the current to flow through the motor mount bolts in the 
original design.  HMMMMM!

Toby Peterson  VIN 2248
Winged1

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> wrote:
 As to how to prevent problems after cleaning, you 
> should inspect them "once in a while" and they could be coated with 
a compound to keep moisture off them so as to prevent corrosion. I 
don't really like to coat connections as it makes them harder to 
inspect and also messier when you do have to clean them. 
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757





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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 00:40:37 -0000
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>
Subject: Re: Torsion Bars reversed?

Sorry guys, but I don't agree.  If you swap the bars end-for-end at 
the same time you swap sides, the actuation direction would be 
correct.  For instance, if the LH bar broke, you could install a RH 
bar on the left side if you installed the splined end into the LH 
forward hinge (with some challenging modifications to the hinge), and 
the square end into a redesigned retention bracket in the back.  I'm 
not suggesting that this is practical, but it is possible.

Toby Peterson  VIN 2248
Winged1

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., jwit6_at_dml_c... wrote:
> [moderator's note: with this said, I'd say the reversing the torsion 
bar subject is done]
> 






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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 19:58:09 EST
From: wingd2_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: NEW Delorean Caricature

Finally it's here !!!    Check out - www.4koolart.com - and look at item # 
K1404

The artist has been working on this Delorean "caricature" for us for about 9 
months now and has finally added it to his wide array of car caricatures, 
over 1350 different designs. It's available as a T-shirt, sport shirt, sweat 
shirt, coffee mug, mouse pad and a very nice "A" size print which is suitable 
for framing. And the finished product really looks much better then the shot 
shown on the web page.

Makes for something neat to add to your Xmas wish list.

  <A HREF="www.4koolart.com">www.4koolart.com</A>

   Marty
   (not connected with KoolArt in any way)


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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 19:59:01 -0500
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: New polls! New polls! New polls!

For future poll writers, be sure to give a wide variety of answers to choose
from.  Some of the polls that I have an opinion about I was not able to vote
in because there was not an answer available that expresses my opinion.  So
I simply didn't vote at all.

For example, the poll about adding the female voice to replace the
mechanical buzzer.  I don't want anything like that.  But the only choices
in the poll have me choose one type or the other or both.  For people who
want 'none of the above', there is no choice for that.  So the results of
this poll will be inaccurate accordingly.

Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 21:40:36 EST
From: tonilfhs98_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Torsion Bars

Patents only good for 17 years.  Our Ds are 20 years old.

Bill K
VIN# 2157



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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 19:07:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Grigor Maksudyan <delorean66_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: DeLorean sighting on TV


Hi,

My friend recently told me that he spotted a DeLorean while watching "Just Shoot Me." I think it's on NBC. Did anyone else catch this? It might be the wrong program name.

I don't want to created a long thread. If you wanna reply, please e-mail me. 

Thanks,

Greg M.
www.delorean.8k.com



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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 04:30:09 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Sun Star Models.

Well, I just got my models today. Both the regular DeLorean, and 
the BTTF version. Wow! The detail is excellent! They were both 
well worth the money! I'm also very pleased with the fact that the 
regular version is based off of a real car with after market parts. It 
makes it seem all the more realistic to me. From the CD 
changer in the center console, down to even DMC Joe's 
Overheat protector in the back.

Yeah, they are flawed in a couple of spots in as inaccuracies. 
But the sharp detail and the affordable price far outwiegh these 
little items. If I paid over $100, then perhaps I would nit-pick. But 
the models really are worth it. I had to order them online. Every 
single toy store here in town that had them sold out immediately! 
Now I know why!

If you are thinking about buying one, I would highly reccomed it!

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 22:51:11 -0600
From: "David Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: Great MyDMC Photo

I just put up a nice submitted photo at the
http://www.dmcnews.com/mydmc.html "mydmc" page. Great location shot! Thanks
Osamu....

Dave Swingle




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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 01:11:14 EST
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Torsion Bars ReVisited

Group, Just to repeat my self from earlier this week. I have talked to the 
company who made the bars and will be finding in the week or so if they will 
remake a one shot last deal. If so, how many people would want them. I will 
be taking a count and let's assume they will be at the same list price as the 
RH. Price on DMC Houston is $386.00 ea.
John hervey
 http://www.specialtauto.com/



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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 01:17:37 EST
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Grounds

I will say this about coatings. A lot of PC board manufacturing companies use 
Crystal Clear Krylon to spray boards with that were going to be exposed to 
the outside. Garrett Electronics that makes metal detectors used it because I 
sold it to them. There may be something different now, but if you must this 
is what they used.
John hervey
http://www.specialtauto.com/



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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 06:41:01 -0000
From: "dherv10" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: New parts

Group, I posted several new parts on my web site today, The trailing 
arm bolts, 12.9 Steel cad plated., A panel meter of constant 
measuring the co reading of the car, a new not NOS water back which 
has been hard to find or not at all. I now have new water pumps and 
new backs. Delorean exact items. I also posted a picture of the fuel 
filter bottom connection and the 14mm fitting banjo so some can see 
the correct way to keep the filter from leaking and last a picture of 
several pieces of hardware to identify and use as reference when your 
trying to explain what a banjo fitting is to some of the people 
behind the counter that thinks it's something you play. I went into 
Sears the other day to get a new tip for my soldering iron and the 
clerk didn't know what I was talking about. Wow, am I getting old or 
they living in a sheltered world. No, neither they just don't know 
what a soldering iron is. 
John Hervey
http://www.specialtauto.com/
 





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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 22:38:06 -0600
From: Farrar Hudkins <fhudkins_at_dml_uno.edu>
Subject: Back online

I realize this is totally off-topic, but I thought I would say that I'm
back online and on the list, and it's glad to see so many DMC fans still
helping one another out on the list.

Regards,
Farrar Hudkins
New Orleans, LA



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