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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 828
Date: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:13 PM

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There are 10 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Re: High Hood
From: Senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

2. Re: Accumalator
From: "Adam Price" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

3. Re: Accumalator
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>

4. Re: Accumalator
From: "Tom Niemczewski" <tomciodmc_at_dml_poczta.onet.pl>

5. Re: Accumalator
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

6. Bargain DMC Alert
From: "daveswingle2" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

7. torsion bar performance?
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

8. Delorean For Sale in Ohio
From: "mrwillis5050" <glovermr_at_dml_email.uc.edu>

9. Octane Rating (was Accumalator)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

10. Re: Accumalator
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 01:08:11 EST
From: Senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Re: High Hood

In a message dated 12/12/2001 11:06:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com writes:

<< Actually the hood is quite adjustable. There are rubber stops at each 
 upper corner that can be screwed up and down into the body, and I 
 believe that the latch is also slightly adjustable. 
 
 Did you have the fenders off the car? You may have reinstalled them 
 missing the usual pile of shims between the fiberglass and the 
 fenders. I've seen cars with as much as 1 cm of spacers/washers in 
 between the fender and the fiberglass at the top edge. The production 
 tolerances on the fiberglass underbody were far from perfect.  >>


    Although the above information is correct, based on my experience, if the 
fascia, hood, fenders and related hardware were taken off, the most common 
way to adjust a "high hood" is to adjust the two hood hinges at the front of 
the bonnet. 
    The adjustment is very straightforward, although the high beams & low 
beam lights must be removed to gain proper access in order to raise the 
hinges to return the hood to proper height.
    Upon correcting the "gaps" on my former 1981, removal of the 
aforementioned hardware was necessary, and an involved process of correct 
installation was necessary. Upon completion the hood was slightly higher at 
the rear. Minimal adjustment was necessary to the hinges, and after 
adjustment, the hood was returned to an aesthetically pleasing appearance.

    Historically speaking, The cars came out of the molds on a continuous 24 
hour basis at Dunmurry. There were several molds utilized during production, 
and on occasion they would need some "tweaking" in order to service and 
maintain them as the molds encounter considerable pressure and wear during 
the VARI process.
    Mold were removed from production and serviced on a routine basis. 
    The fiberglass bodies can differ as much as 1/4 inch in some areas of the 
car. This information was provided to me from former DMC chief engineer 
Michael Loasby. 
    In real world manufacturing, 1/4 inch difference is a considerable amount 
of movement, as body panel alignment and door openings can be greatly 
effected. This could further explain the "gaps" found between the fenders and 
door on some mid 1981 cars. 


Seasons Greetings 
Mike Pack



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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:47:19 -0800
From: "Adam Price" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Accumalator

My car also began bucking this morning for the first time. Fuel is 
completely full and voltage levels normal. I put premium gas in it for the 
first time since I;ve owned it. I know these engines are rated for 91 
octane, but premium is 92. Could this adversely affect the engine 
performance?

Where is the inertia switch?

Adam


>From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [DML] Accumalator
>Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:19:23 EST
>
>Nick, The accumulator doesn't have anything to do the with the bucking, it
>just holds pressure on the system after the car is turned off.
>#1. My first question is: How old is the fuel pump
>#2. How much gas was in the tank
>#3. Does the bucking start when the voltage goes down to 8 volts.
>Answers to the question:
>#1. If the pump is old and as the level of gas goes down the pump will not
>self prime it's self. The roller bearings that actually do the pumping will
>wear and the space in the pump will widen and this could be one problem. 
>Some
>cars have a primer pump totally immersed in the tank. They must have had 
>some
>forsite into this problem.
>#2. The level of gas coupled with the old pump will have a harder time in
>keeping gas to flow. Thus a bucking if it misses a beat.
>#3. If the voltage drops that low, then the relay in the RPM relay will 
>open
>and shut off the pump for an instant. Thus the bucking.
>#4. Check the connections to the Inertia switch. If they are not tight, 
>they
>will heat up and seperate for an instant and you will have the bucking.
>John Hervey
>http://www.specialtauto.com/
>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 00:45:57 -0000
From: "tmpintnl" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>
Subject: Re: Accumalator

The inertia switch is located just to the left of the clutch pedal, 
and in that area for automatics as well.  It's a little black box 
with a button on top.  This switch allows power to the fuel pump 
(among other things), so if the connection is intermittent, the power 
to the pump will be also.  The theory behind the switch is that power 
will be shut off to the pump in the event of a collision or roll-over 
to reduce chance for a fire.  The switches are known to be a problem 
item.  Putting good fuel in the car should not cause poor performance. 

This probably has nothing to do with your problem, but I had a 
"bucking" problem some time ago, and I traced it down to a spark plug 
wire coming loose at the distributor.  All I had to do was "plug and 
play".

Toby Peterson  VIN 2248
Winged1

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Adam Price" <acprice1_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> My car also began bucking this morning for the first time. Fuel is 
> completely full and voltage levels normal. I put premium gas in it 
for the first time since I;ve owned it. I know these engines are rated 
for 91 octane, but premium is 92. Could this adversely affect the 
engine performance?
> 
> Where is the inertia switch?
> 
> Adam





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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 01:59:37 +0100
From: "Tom Niemczewski" <tomciodmc_at_dml_poczta.onet.pl>
Subject: Re: Accumalator

Adam and anyone else,
You are wrong on the octane subject. Remember that the car was made in
Europe and the specs for the engine are based on European standards. The are
two different methods for the octane rating. That 91 refers to the "research
method" which is used in Europe and it equals to about 86 using the "R+M/2
method" used in US.
If you go to ANY gas station in US there is a yellow sticker on the pump
that has the octane rating and method for that rating. In US it is R+M/2
method.
So, for all you guys in US - the DeLorean engine is rated for 86 octane gas
and it really doesn't do much good to use the more expensive premium (well,
maybe for the owner of the gas station it does). It's just more expensive.
On the other hand, if your car seems to run bad on the 87 octane gas it
means that it might need a tune-up because there is something wrong going
on.
I always use 87 gas in my D and it always starts at the touch of the key and
runs beautifully.


Take care everyone!
Tom Niemczewski
tomciodmc_at_dml_poczta.onet.pl - tomciodmc'AT'poczta.onet.pl
VIN 6298 (FOR SALE)



----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Price" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

<SNIP>
> I put premium gas in it for the
> first time since I;ve owned it. I know these engines are rated for 91
> octane, but premium is 92. Could this adversely affect the engine
> performance?
>
> Adam






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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:51:53 EST
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Accumalator

Adam, Octane rating won't effect the bucking just make it run better. The 
voltage to the fuel pump or the ground is most likely the problem. Be sure to 
check the wring at the interia switch. What about # 7 fuse. The other place 
would be a intermittingly defective RPM relay which I can fix. Fuel pump 
could be acting up.
John hervey
http://www.specialtauto.com/






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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 01:56:30 -0000
From: "daveswingle2" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: Bargain DMC Alert

Now for the other end of the spectrum. Just posted up one for $7500 - 
details at http://www.dmcnews.com/buynsell.html

As usual no affilation, could be a parts car.......

Dave Swingle




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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:15:48 -0600
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: torsion bar performance?

Do our torsion bars work better warm vs. cold?

I know the struts do... but my doors will latch with my bad struts now that
it has cooled down to 40ish.

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"most experts agree that the end of the world will come by accident, most
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 07:45:22 -0000
From: "mrwillis5050" <glovermr_at_dml_email.uc.edu>
Subject: Delorean For Sale in Ohio

Hello everyone,

I hoped this day would not come so soon, but I must part with my 
Delorean.  A combination of factors all had their hands in this, but 
a new job with a nasty commute is the final nail in the coffin.  I 
have loved this car, loved driving this car, and loved making new 
friends through this car. But now I have to find it a new home.  I 
have set up a website to showcase my car, and here is the address:

http://www.geocities.com/mrwillis5050/

It is an 81, 5-speed, grey interior, 43,000 miles and in great 
shape.  I am asking $14,000 for the car, looking for a reasonably 
prompt sale within the Delorean community.  The car is located in Bay 
Village, Ohio.  Please contact me with any questions, or pass the 
info along to anyone who may be looking.  I also wanted to take a 
moment to thank everyone who has personally helped me along the 
journey that is Delorean ownership (you know who you are), as well as 
the DML as a whole, who makes it possible for somebody like me to own 
one of these great cars.  I will continue to lurk here as I always 
have, and will be looking to jump back in as soon as I get settled.

Happy Holidays!
Max Glover
#5284
glovermr(AT)email.uc.edu







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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 06:43:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Octane Rating (was Accumalator)


--- Tom Niemczewski <tomciodmc_at_dml_poczta.onet.pl> wrote:
> So, for all you guys in US - the DeLorean engine is
> rated for 86 octane gas
> and it really doesn't do much good to use the more
> expensive premium (well,
> maybe for the owner of the gas station it does).
> It's just more expensive.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - -

UNLESS, of  course, you have a turbo(s) or have raised
the compression ratio (Houston Engine?).  Then the
higher octane rating means less/no pinging and that
means much longer engine life.'

Dick Ryan

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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:00:41 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Accumalator

Over here in the UK, standard unleaded is 95 octane and super unleaded is 98 octane. I've
only put standard in my DeLorean so far, and HAVE had bucking problems, but traced it to
a blocked fuel pickup filter. I have now butchered the "question-mark" shaped hose and
inserted an in-line pickup filter, which as of last night when I drove 120 miles, works
beautifully.

(The reason I put in an in-line filter was because of how cheap and easy it is to get
this particular filter (6), compared to the inferior standard pickup filter.)

To go back to the original point, 95 octane petrol works fine. I haven't tried super yet.

The inertia switch SHOULD be located next to the bonnet release handle. I say SHOULD
because mine's conspicuously absent...

Martin
#1458

Adam Price wrote:

> My car also began bucking this morning for the first time. Fuel is
> completely full and voltage levels normal. I put premium gas in it for the
> first time since I;ve owned it. I know these engines are rated for 91
> octane, but premium is 92. Could this adversely affect the engine
> performance?
>
> Where is the inertia switch?
>
> Adam




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