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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 846
Date: Sunday, December 30, 2001 10:42 AM

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There are 16 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Revsese WAS: Why the DeLorean?
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

2. CA New Years
From: "Matthew P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>

3. DI water in cooling system???
From: "Adam Price" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

4. talking of dome lights...
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

5. LHD Cars
From: Watkins Family <watbmv_at_dml_megalink.net>

6. Re: Revsese WAS: Why the DeLorean?
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>

7. RE: DI water in cooling system???
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

8. Re: DI water in cooling system???
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

9. Re: LHD Cars
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

10. Re: Door Lock Module - some technical musings...
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

11. RE: LHD Cars
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>

12. Part X-ref
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

13. Eratic engine idle when warm
From: "dmcman82" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>

14. Re: Door Lock Module - some technical musings...
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

15. Re: LHD Cars
From: "carnut4849" <gmfm1_at_dml_att.net>

16. Re: The best thing I got for Christmas
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 16:51:23 +0000
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Re: Revsese WAS: Why the DeLorean?

I meant pulling up on the shifter to put it into reverse.  Mine go into gear nicely, hot
or cold, no grinding, very clean shift, it's just the effort of pulling the shifter up
and putting it into the reverse position that I was referring to.  Mine are both the
same, I figured they all were.

> Not to be picky Les, but it should not be stiff shifting into
> reverse.  When cold, my car will go into reverse with the greatest of
> ease.  When warm, it will grind unless I put it into first gear
> first, to stop the input shaft from spinning.  But even when I do
> that it still goes into reverse without resistance.




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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:47:12 -0700
From: "Matthew P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>
Subject: CA New Years

To all Southern California Owners:
        Hi!  Hope you are having a wonderful holiday season!  I am in
Pasadena until New Year's Day.  I drove here from Phoenix Friday afternoon.
I have a wedding to go to on Saturday.  If any of you are interested in
getting together Sunday afternoon then drop me a line or give me a call at
732-319-1144.  Unfortunately I was not able to bring my DeLorean, but I will
be coming here from time to time with my D when it arrives and would like to
get to know some folks in the area.

Happy New Year!
Matthew
VIN #10365
VIN #16816




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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 23:02:47 -0800
From: "Adam Price" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: DI water in cooling system???

Is it alright to use deionized water (with ethylene glycol) in the cooling 
system of the delorean or other automobiles?

thanks, Adam 16683


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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:34:30 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: talking of dome lights...

Hi all

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but where does the wiring to the front light go - ie
where does it emerge that I can test the connection? I assume it's in parallel with the
one over the cargo shelf, which works fine in my car. On a 100mile+ journey, my front
light did come on all by itself, but I obviously had to turn it off. It hasn't worked
since.

I've checked the rocker assembly and electrically it's fine (what a bloody awful bit of
engineering!) - I can only assume there's something loose where the wires that feed it
connect. The light doesn't work in either position.

An interesting note is that my timing dimmer works if you close the doors gently,
otherwise the light just switches off instantly.

Happy new year

Martin
#1458




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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:16:15 -0500
From: Watkins Family <watbmv_at_dml_megalink.net>
Subject: LHD Cars

On a LHD car how are the foot pedals arranged?  Are they in the same
order as a RHD or are they mirrored?  This came up in a conversation
with a friend, we've never seen a LHD car so we were curious.

Thanks

Tom Watkins
#005732
http://www.geocities.com/outatime81




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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:07:09 -0000
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Revsese WAS: Why the DeLorean?

Let me join here, I was only talking about lifting for reverse with Martin ,
yesterday, It wasn't until he mention the lift that I knew it happened. I
have a 5 speed manual that does not need to be lifted to go into reverse,
and thats not 'cause it worn (i don't think) as there is no vertical
movement at all in the gear stick, it just does not lift.

Is this right if not whats wrong??

Paul




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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:45:29 -0600
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: DI water in cooling system???

Actually, distilled water is better.  You can get
it at any grocery store.  Make sure it's distilled
and not just bottled water.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Price [mailto:acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 1:03 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] DI water in cooling system???


Is it alright to use deionized water (with ethylene glycol) in the cooling 
system of the delorean or other automobiles?

thanks, Adam 16683






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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:50:49 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: DI water in cooling system???

It is OK to use DI water but it isn't necessary. The main requirement 
for the water is that it not be "hard". You don't want minerals to 
settle out of the water and coat the inside of the cooling system. It 
should also be at least potable as if it has a high microbiale content 
you could grow slime in the system. Depending on your area of the 
country tap water is usually just fine. Mix 50/50 with a national 
branded permanant type anti-freeze like Prestone and add till full. 
Bleed out the air and top off. Watch the level because if you have to 
add ANY after this it means you have a leak even if you can't see it.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Adam Price" <acprice1_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> Is it alright to use deionized water (with ethylene glycol) in the 
cooling 
> system of the delorean or other automobiles?
> 
> thanks, Adam 16683
> 
> 
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:58:42 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: LHD Cars

*LOL* I let my mate drive my D today and he sat down and the first thing he asked was
"which is the clutch and which is the accellerator?" (in England, we all drive RHD cars,
I own a stock LHD DeLorean)

ABC, Accellerator, Brake, Clutch; Right-to-Left, as every first-time driver learns.

There's a photo of a right-hander's pedal box on this page:

http://www.delorean.co.uk/euro.html

Martin
#1458
DOC UK www.delorean.co.uk

Watkins Family wrote:

> On a LHD car how are the foot pedals arranged?  Are they in the same
> order as a RHD or are they mirrored?  This came up in a conversation
> with a friend, we've never seen a LHD car so we were curious.
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom Watkins
> #005732
> http://www.geocities.com/outatime81




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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:07:52 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Door Lock Module - some technical musings...

Hi all

First off, I sent that post before signing it; apologies! I meant to draw a comparison
with the LockZilla - my mods are electronically nowhere near as good as the Zilla, after
all, it uses the stock Lucas PCB! However the major flaw, the relays, are replaced with
modern sealed units. The projected lifespan of these Siemens units is in excess of
10,000,000 actuations. This is an order of magnitude less than the LockZilla's
solid-state switches, but if you're worried about hitting that 10 millionth actuation and
having to spend a whole 3 on new relays, you're more careful than me! :-)

I've had a couple of e-mails requesting photos. I have taken some and will post them on
the DOC UK site in the Tech section as soon as I get home and can download the pics off
my camera.

If anyone wants me to do the mod to your lock module, drop me an e-mail. I know Dave
Howarth has a supply of "new" units. I can supply one of these, modified, in return for
your existing unit and a donation to the DOC.

I will be adding remote central locking to my unit (mostly becaus my drivers door lock is
bust!) now I trust the module.

Happy new year

Martin
#1458

Martin Gutkowski wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I've spent some of my quiet time this Christmas looking at the DeLorean
> door lock module.

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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:37:18 -0000
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
Subject: RE: LHD Cars

The pedals are just the same in RHD and LHD cars, both Auto and manual.

Chris P DOC UK





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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 21:10:30 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Part X-ref

Hi All,

In overhauling the engine on #2727, we've discovered a part missing.
It's on p2-4-0 of the parts manual, no 27, part 101116 Vacuum Solenoid
Valve part of the "evaporative control system". One of the vacuum hoses
feeding to it has a bolt threaded into the end to seal it.

What does this solenoid do and is there any reason for it to be removed
on an engine with the Island twin kit?

More importantly, does anyone have a part cross reference (Bosch or
otherwise) that we can use over here?

Thanks

Martin (on behalf of Rich #2727)
DOC UK




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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 21:29:21 -0000
From: "dmcman82" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>
Subject: Eratic engine idle when warm

Hello all,
I am experiencing a problem with my D that has me puzzled. I started 
it up for the first time in 5 months and it started with no problem 
at all. as the engine sat idling for a few minutes until it reached 
operating temperature it ran like a champ. As soon as it gets to 
normal operating temperature the idle starts to fluctuate between 
7000 and 10000 RPMS. As it fluctuates I can hear the Frequency valve 
slowing down almost stopping at times (this is where the engine 
starts to drop in RPM) then the Frequency valve will jump "alive" 
again returning to normal (where the engine will idle normally). 
This is a continuous cycle of the engine going up and down in RPM's 
and every time I hear the frequency valve dying out then returning 
to normal again.

Now my questions: 
1. Could there be something wrong in my Lambda circuit causing this 
such as a bad O2 sensor?

2. Could my frequency valve be bad?

Either part is expensive so I don't want to "swap it out to see if 
it fixes it" and later find out it wasn't it at all. I am assuming 
that if the Frequency valve would be bad it would just not work 
which leads me to believe that there may be a problem with my O2 
sensor? Does this sound logical? 

My CPR valve works like a charm. When it's cold and I start the 
engine it will start off at like 1-1.5 Bar and slowly work it's way 
up to 3-3.5 bar as the engine warms up. My fuel pump, Accum and fuel 
filter are all new as are the fuel lines. I know it can't be my Fuel 
distrib (or could it?) since the engine runs fine until it warms up 
to operating temperature. 

Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.

Steve





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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:19:36 EST
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Door Lock Module - some technical musings...

Martin, I spent a little time with the door lock module, but all I have had 
trouble with was the door lock when used inside the car. I had determined it 
was the linkage and all the mechanical things going on. I have never had 
trouble when locking from the outside.  Your correct about the arching, most 
people don't know there are relay's inside the module that should be replaced 
due to the arching. If you will look on my web site, I have original relays 
and replacement just like you may have. Bosch told me they were the same 
40amp but rated different in certain applications. As far as the circuit 
breaker, If you will put a 10 or 15 amp breaker in, then if it hangs up, you 
won't burn up something waiting on the breaker to trip. I run 10 amp in mine 
with no trouble and when I simulated the problem, it tripped quick. No 
burning up the module  or wires.I never had the time yet to make the mod's in 
the archive but they looked good. I would like to know how it turnes out.
John Hervey
     http://www.specialtauto.com/talk-view.shtml



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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 04:40:42 -0000
From: "carnut4849" <gmfm1_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: LHD Cars

Dear Tom,
     I always wondered about right hand drive cars. My clutch pedal 
is the farthest left, to the right of that is my brake pedal and on 
the far right is the gas pedal. Is this the same on RHD cars? Also, 
on the shifter of a 5 speed, Reverse is to the left side of the car 
and 5th is to the right side of the car. Is this the same on RHD?
Thanks,
Gary Masie



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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:41:19 EST
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com
Subject: Re: The best thing I got for Christmas

Sounds neat...I wish I would have gotten something DeLorean for
Christmas, but does my family think of that?...NO.  I would have
even been happy with a set of grey arm wrest extension caps.  But
I guess I'll have to do it myself.  :)

Happy New Year!  Here's to the final celebration of DeLorean's
20th anniversary, and here's to 2006!

Richard  



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