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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1002
Date: Saturday, April 27, 2002 3:14 AM

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There are 17 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Re: Propane/Freon
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>

2. DMC Track Day
From: Senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

3. RE: A/C conversion
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

4. Porsche Transmission question
From: Stephen Keolamphu <tigger_at_dml_dorsai.org>

5. Re: Virginia British Car Show
From: "detsaot2" <brian_at_dml_shadowcom.net>

6. The Resurrection of Vixen Continues...
From: "Stragand, Dave" <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>

7. RE: Porsche Transmission question
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

8. Re: XM Radio...
From: "chi_amfmxm" <jzierk_at_dml_hotmail.com>

9. RE: Re: Front coil springs
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>

10. Re: A/C conversion
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

11. Re: Porsche Transmission question
From: Robert Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

12. Evaporator core / Repair or Replace?
From: "jrhamilton1" <jrhamilton1_at_dml_msn.com>

13. XM Radio Antennas
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

14. Re: XM Radio...
From: Scott Cagle <sharkywtrs_at_dml_delorean.com>

15. Re: XM Radio...
From: Andrew <aos+yahoo_at_dml_boom.net>

16. Re: Evaporator core / Repair or Replace?
From: jimbo0946_at_dml_aol.com

17. Sylvania Xenarc HID headlamp installation walkthrough
From: Andrew Smith <aos+yahoo_at_dml_boom.net>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 23:56:19 -0400
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Propane/Freon

[MODERATOR NOTE - We have about beat the safety issue to death (further discussions on experience with conversion of DeLoreans is certainly welcome). If you do a www.google.com search on "R12 conversion" you will find more information on this subject. ]


>This is a 
> very 
> real and very serious problem! All it takes is a small leak in the 
> system, and a spark ---- and the car and driver are toast.
> 
>

All you need is a leak in your fuel line and a spark and the consequences
would be worse; gasoline is much more flammable and burns hotter than
propane.  Let's not get out of hand.

I've also heard that if you mix freon and a heat source (ie, cigarette),
the freon changes chemically into nerve gas...

I am not implying propane is a good idea, just stating what might or
might not be obvious...

Jim

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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:04:21 EDT
From: Senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: DMC Track Day


DML,
    Here is additional information about the track day. When I attended 
previously, there was a multitude of exotic cars from the DeLorean time 
period...everyone kept asking where the other DeLorean owners were... Please 
make an effort to attend.
    The best time was awarded by a race modified Pantera, a Ferrari F 50 and 
several Diablos from Maryland. This is a gentleman's event so make an effort 
to keep the decorum.
     I will give away door prizes after the afternoon's conclusion and 
dinner. Please email me with your questions.

Best Wishes,
Michael Pack

<Thank you for your interest in the track day. Here are the pertinent 
details:
The Club Vitesse invite you to a track day at the Jefferson 
Circuit, Summit Point, West Virginia, on Saturday June 1st. 2002.
The 1.1 mile 7 turn track was designed with training in mind and the event 
is open to all responsible drivers from novice to expert. We will have 3 
groups based on experience, performance potential and driver comfort level 
(these will be altered as required). Instructors will be on hand to advise 
you on negotiating the track safely and quickly.
The day will consist of 3 morning and 3 afternoon sessions resulting in a 
minimum of 90 minutes track time (more if conditions allow).
The event is open to all cars that will pass a safety inspection, and I hope 
to have a mix of old and new. NO IRRESPONSIBLE BEHAVIOR WILL BE TOLERATED 
and failure to obey the rules will result in expulsion with no reimbursement 
of dues. This is not a racing school and safety is the prime directive.
It promises to be a wonderful experience with great cars, people and stories 
to tell. Let your friends know about it.
The cost for the day is $225.00 per car and driver including morning coffee 
and lunch.
Convertibles must have a roll bar and helmets are required, they can be 
rented if needed.
If you would like to attend this event, or if you have any questions please 
contact ASAP. Early registration is critical, space is limited and 
preference will be given to S2000 owners up to April 30th. No refunds will 
be given to those who fail to attend.

Thank you,

Dermot McDermott
Club Vitesse>



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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:55:48 -0400
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: RE: A/C conversion

Did he FLUSH the system with a chemical to get the R-12 oil out??  If not, you will need a new compressor in a year or so.  New receiver/dryer too.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:Soma576_at_dml_aol.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 8:08 PM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DML] A/C conversion
> 
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> here are the results (so far) of my A/C conversion to 134a.  
> yesterday i 
> brought my car in to the shop who was to do my work.  we put 
> it on a lift and 
<SNIP>




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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:09:28 -0400
From: Stephen Keolamphu <tigger_at_dml_dorsai.org>
Subject: Porsche Transmission question

Hello to the group!

If tis is an old question, I apologize, but I know that Bob Brandys car has
the ZF 4, and I had a few questions:

1) Has anyone else done this conversion to an automatic D?

2) Are the automatic transmission mounts positioned to hold the ZF4?
   (I know that the manual mounts are different, but I was wondering
    if the automatic is the same)

3) I was considering the Stage1 conversion at DeLorean, and thought 
   that this transmission might be better for it. Are their better 
   automatic transmission options? 

Thanks in advance, and I apologize if this has already been asked.

-Stephen

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                             :  The trouble with using experience
      Stephen Keolamphu      :  as a guide is that the final exam
      tigger_at_dml_dorsai.org      :  often comes first, and then the 
                             :  lesson.
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:25:30 -0000
From: "detsaot2" <brian_at_dml_shadowcom.net>
Subject: Re: Virginia British Car Show

That's right down the street from me.  Any DMC owners planning on attending? 
 
- Brian (Not an owner... yet.  :) ) 
 
--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Rob Hook" <rob_hook_at_dml_c...> wrote: 
> There is a British car show at the Woodlawn plantation in Alexandria 
> Virginia this Sunday, April 28th, from 9 to 3.  



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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:39:25 -0400
From: "Stragand, Dave" <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>
Subject: The Resurrection of Vixen Continues...

Hi All,
 
Been slowly and steadily working on my idling problem, among other
things.  I replaced the fuel pump support boot and installed a 15/16"
spring in the pickup hose to stop it from collapsing.  The fuel pump is
still annoyingly loud, but I'll learn to deal with that later I guess.
It's probably not anywhere near as lous with all of the covers in place.
 
I also purchased a Bosch CIS fuel pressure tester.  The pressures all
check out okay, so the problem is not likely there.  At this point, I
think I may have a single injector or two that's misbehaving.  I now
have some long test tubes, so this weekend I'll be able to compare the
output of them all and see if there are any issues there.
 
I also finally replaced my broken instrument panel rheostat with that
Jaguar one I found last year.  Works just fine so far, and fits
perfectly.
 
-Dave Stragand
VIN #05927
http://www.projectvixen.com
 


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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:48:11 -0400
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: RE: Porsche Transmission question

I assume your talking about DMC Houston when you talk about the stage 1 conversion.  Last I heard, they would not offer this conversion for automatics so you should talk to them.  

I'll let Bob answer the mounting questions, because to date he is the only person I know who has done this conversion with success.  My conversations with him led me to believe that it was NOT an easy process (custom mounts, custom axles, and loads of computer control problems)... However, you will have a unique problem of getting an adaptor plate to go from the PRV to the ZF4 (assuming Porsche bolt pattern).  I have found a place that makes a plate to mate a "Volvo" (may or may not be the same as our PRV) engine to a Porsche 915 (5 speed manual), but they have been unwilling to make any conversion kits for automatics and seem to have something against DeLoreans in general :)

With the amount of money you would be looking at for this whole project, why not work on a complete conversion?  To first spend $6000+ for a 70's technology engine that has been modified to its limits, and then consider another $6000+ to do a transmission conversion?  $12,000 (EST) is a lot of money to spend considering what your end result will be.  If you are going to need to make custom parts to mount the ZF4 to the DMC engine, why not spend the same money and mount it to a more modern high power engine?

Although, if you have your heart set on the Houston engine, I'd recommend looking at more modern Renault cars for possible donor transmissions.  We can only hope that their transmissions have evolved over the years.  If your lucky, the bolt pattern has not changed and you can still easily modify it to rear engine configuration.  Have you discussed this with the people in Houston?  They may possible be working on it already or would be willing to investigate it for you.

Hopefully my conversion will be done this year, but it looks like it wont be ready for Memphis. :(

Marc

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Keolamphu [mailto:tigger_at_dml_dorsai.org]
> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 10:09 AM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DML] Porsche Transmission question
> 
> 
> Hello to the group!
> 
> If tis is an old question, I apologize, but I know that Bob 
> Brandys car has
> the ZF 4, and I had a few questions:
> 
> 1) Has anyone else done this conversion to an automatic D?
> 
> 2) Are the automatic transmission mounts positioned to hold the ZF4?
>    (I know that the manual mounts are different, but I was wondering
>     if the automatic is the same)
> 
> 3) I was considering the Stage1 conversion at DeLorean, and thought 
>    that this transmission might be better for it. Are their better 
>    automatic transmission options? 
> 
> Thanks in advance, and I apologize if this has already been asked.
> 
> -Stephen
> 
> .................................................................
>                              :  The trouble with using experience
>       Stephen Keolamphu      :  as a guide is that the final exam
>       tigger_at_dml_dorsai.org      :  often comes first, and then the 
>                              :  lesson.
> .................................................................
> 
> 
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> moderator_at_dml_dmcnews.com
> 
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:35:37 -0000
From: "chi_amfmxm" <jzierk_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: XM Radio...

The Terk window mount antenna is not that bad looking and should work 
fine on the D.  I would mount it on one of the side windows 
personally… towards the back of the car, and it would not really 
stick out like a sore thumb. 

http://www.terk.com/cellular/product/sr1sr2.html

Jerry
Chicago, IL
Still looking...(and saving up) for the right DMC.


> 
> Hey List, 
>  
>      A couple months ago I installed an aftermarket radio that is 
XM Radio 
> ready, and today I decided to see how much it would be to get XM 
Radio for my 
> car.  The receiver I need would cost only $165.00, and then all I 
would need 
> is the antenna.  And thats where I am having a problem.  I just got 
back from 
> a stereo dealer who deals with XM Radio.  All they have are 2 kinds 
of 
> magnetic mounted antennas.  Well...since our beloved cars have an 
SS skin 
> thats non metallic thats obviously not going to work.  



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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:23:52 +0100
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
Subject: RE: Re: Front coil springs

Its brave of you to share that with us, but a timely warning.
I have gotten the springs changed on three cars over the last 18 months, and
despite being a mechanic myself, when I was a lot younger, I get some else
to do it for me now!

The original front springs on a DeLorean seem much too long, especially when
you have them partially "wrestled down" using spring clamps!

Chris P DOC UK


-----Original Message-----
From: jrc2905_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:jrc2905_at_dml_aol.com]
Sent: 25 April 2002 15:55
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] Re: Front coil springs


I took the front springs off my self, it is a pain if you do not have the
right spring compressor. I know because the spring left go as i was carrying
it and my fingers got stuck on the side which still had the compression rod
on it. I finally released the tension and was amazed how compressed a finger
can get.
Y





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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:04:38 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: A/C conversion

Marc,

for refrigerent oil we opted to use Ester 100 which covers a broader 
viscosity range than standard "R-12 oil".  It isn't as perfect a match as 
purely 134a oil, but it will be adequate for the temperature and climate that 
my DeLorean is in.  my tech said he would NOT recommend Ester 100 for 
climates such as the southern US for day-in, day-out A/C operation.  he said 
i will be just fine if i take some vacations or go to events however.  it's 
kind of like using 10w30 in a modern car during the winter - it's not the 
best, but it will work.  someone shouldn't use 10w30 if they live in alaska, 
but if you are from the south and you take a trip for a couple of weeks, you 
will not destroy your car by keeping the same oil in.  same situation with 
Ester 100.  this shop has done conversions on RV's, trucks, cars, lots of 
stuff and has never had a problem.  in fact, most 134a retrofit kits come 
with Ester 100.

Andy


In a message dated 4/26/02 8:43:05 AM Central Daylight Time, 
malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com writes:


> Did he FLUSH the system with a chemical to get the R-12 oil out??  If not, 
> you will need a new compressor in a year or so.  New receiver/dryer too.


Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:45:53 -0500
From: Robert Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: Porsche Transmission question



Stephen

1. I am not aware of anyone else who has put in a ZF 4.  A number of 
people are considering it, though.
2.  The stock D automatic mounts do not fit the ZF4.  A custom mount was 
used that bolts to the frame.
3. You could possilby get the stock D automatic beefed up.  You need to 
find a good trans shop that deals with foreign cars.  Tell them you have 
a HP 18 (this is the clutch pack in the stock D) and you want to beef it 
up.

BOB





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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:50:02 -0700
From: "jrhamilton1" <jrhamilton1_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Evaporator core / Repair or Replace?

Hello to all, it has been quite a while since I have addressed the DeLorean mailing list.  This is my question.  I have a leak in my evaporator core and I am pondering if I should buy a new core or have the old one repaired.  I am not sure if it is worth the money to repair it or not.  The repair will cost about $45.00 at a local radiator shop and a new core is about $500.00.  Has anyone out there had a core repaired and what was the outcome?  Jim Hamilton


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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 22:36:58 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: XM Radio Antennas

If I were to choose one of these antennas to install, I would 
probably opt for the roof mounted unit. Here's how you could 
install it.

Mount the unit to the top vane of the louver. Centered would give 
the most uniformed appearance, but that would be a personal 
choice. Next loop the wire with a little slack down between the 
louver, and the T panel (this gives flexability fo when the louvers 
are opened). From here I would run the wire thru the grill, and 
then behind the plastic peice that covers the torsion bars. Now 
run the wire over to the quarterpanel, and snake it down thru the 
hollow portion on the top. It will now come out behide the driver 
side tail light. Now for this portion, you *might* have to drill thru 
the pontoon to reach the inner compartment. From here, just run 
the wire back following the path of the original antenna wire, and 
you're all set!

Myself, I don't plan on installing an XM unit into my car. I just can't 
get over the fact that you have to pay a subscription fee for a car 
radio. But since that's an opinion, I left it for the end. My only 
question is this: I realize that the XM unit requires a special 
antenna seperate from the standard one. But, what kind is it? Is 
it Coax? If so, Harada sells a retractable unit that accepts both a 
regular AM/FM wire, and a coaxial one for CB's. It's supposed to 
look and function like the stock rear retractable antenna. If 
nothing else, there is a fixed mast XM antenna I've seen online 
while reseaching. You could always mount this one to the 
existing antenna bracket on the back.

Makes me wonder too if CARP rules have any effect on their 
broadcasts...

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "chi_amfmxm" <jzierk_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> The Terk window mount antenna is not that bad looking and 
should work 
> fine on the D.  I would mount it on one of the side windows 
> personally… towards the back of the car, and it would not really 
> stick out like a sore thumb. 
<SNIP>
I 
> would need 
> > is the antenna.  And thats where I am having a problem.  I 
just got 
> back from 
> > a stereo dealer who deals with XM Radio.  All they have are 2 
kinds 
> of 
> > magnetic mounted antennas.
<SNIP>




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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:35:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Cagle <sharkywtrs_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: XM Radio...

It's a lot easier than that for the roof mounted antennas.  The only problem with affixing them to the louvers is that once you decide to pull them off, what is it going to do to the finish?  No, it's a lot easier to put the roof mount on the very center of the rear of the T panel.  The 3M double sided adhesive works fine for it.  Then all you do is run the wires from the antenna under the back of the panel, through the door, into the door seal. From there depends on where you put the tuner itself.  I've had mine in my DMC for about 3 months now, and in my other car since the introduction of XM.  The antenna doesn't work with coax; it works on a basic positive/negative line feed, with the tuner  itself doing the transcription work.  Plus that antenna is a lot more low profile, so you don't have to worry about knocking it off in a car wash.


Scott




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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:54:06 -0500 (CDT)
From: Andrew <aos+yahoo_at_dml_boom.net>
Subject: Re: XM Radio...

On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, chi_amfmxm wrote:

> The Terk window mount antenna is not that bad looking and should work
> fine on the D.  I would mount it on one of the side windows personally…
> towards the back of the car, and it would not really stick out like a
> sore thumb.

I have heard from an acquaintance with XM Radio and the Terk SR-2 roof
mount antenna that it is not actually necessary for the antenna to have an
unobstructed view.  He was able to get his to work from inside the car.
It may be worth attempting to mount the antenna below the louvers, at the
back of the engine cover to see if that works.

No guarantees of course, but if it works, it would help create less of an
eyesore.

-andrew




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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 00:02:25 -0400
From: jimbo0946_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Evaporator core / Repair or Replace?

When I noticed a leak in my evaporator core, I decided it would be best to just replace it.  It did cost $500.00 and was a pain to install (so my mechanic said).  When he took out the old one, he said that someone had tried to repair it before because there was a lot of goop stuck all around it.

JimmyC
VIN#15880



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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:04:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: Andrew Smith <aos+yahoo_at_dml_boom.net>
Subject: Sylvania Xenarc HID headlamp installation walkthrough

I've spent the last two days replacing my Delorean's halogen headlamp
system with a Sylvania Xenarc HID (xenon) system.  I've seen a little
discussion of this system on the list, but never saw anyone give any hard
facts about the installation.

I took lots of pictures of my install and have written up a walkthrough
for anyone who wants to perform this upgrade (or is just interested in how
it's done).  Please check out http://www.boom.net/~aos/delorean/xenarc/
for the complete instructions with pretty pictures.

Warning:  This project requires drilling a few holes and bashing a few
parts around a bit.  (All invisible once the project is done of course.)
If you don't want to see these things done to a Delorean, don't follow
that link.  :)

-andrew
 #4115, Houston TX




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