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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1011
Date: Friday, May 03, 2002 5:18 AM

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There are 9 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: adjusting door?
From: "Rustproof" <Rustproof_at_dml_prodigy.net>

2. Yet another TORSION BAR ? Help DMC Joe
From: "D.C. Schlieckau, Jr." <dcsj_at_dml_excite.com>

3. Fw: rivnuts
From: "Darryl Tinnerstet" <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>

4. Re: "Preproduction" car on ebay?
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>

5. RE: "Preproduction" car on ebay?
From: "Jack Stiefel" <jackstiefel_at_dml_sacketmansion.com>

6. NEW Delorean Mid Atlantic Club Web site is open!
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

7. RE: DeLorean Mid Alantic Spring Social...1st class people
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

8. Re: "Preproduction" car on ebay?
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

9. Re: Yet another TORSION BAR ? Help DMC Joe
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 18:35:29 -0400
From: "Rustproof" <Rustproof_at_dml_prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: adjusting door?

Where can I find a COMPLETE (door off replacement start to finish) door
adjustment proceedure with diagrams? 
Rustproof
#1559

----- Original Message -----
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: [DML] adjusting door?
> Altering the door striker pins should only be attempted as a last resort.
> Most door alignment problems can be corrected when performing the proper
> alignment procedures.



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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 19:45:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: "D.C. Schlieckau, Jr." <dcsj_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: Yet another TORSION BAR ? Help DMC Joe

 Hi Joe and fellow DML'rs



I made a one tooth adjustment to my passenger door a few years ago, but at the time I didn't unload the bar in the process. My question is, how many degrees of rotation is typical from the Zero NO LOAD to a normal doors up position? Assuming a NEW strut is used and allowing for the typical variables of struts from different manufacturers. I'm just looking for the average degrees of rotation. Is it possible to permanently distort the torsion bar by over torquing it to compensate for a week lift strut. How much rotation is TOO MUCH?



Another local owner had to have one of the driver side door hinges replaced last fall. He took it to a local body shop and provided the with the service shop manual. When he went to pickup the car the drivers door would no longer open up completely by itself, only about 30%. He told me that prior too the broken hinge it worked fine and that somehow The guy at the body shop bent the torsion bar. I had a chance to talk to the shop owner that did the work. He said that he was afraid of putting any more torque on the bar for fear of it braking. I have not had the chance to see his car yet. I'm only going by what he told me. He has had the car less than a year and is not that familiar with the unique workings of it. I plan to see him some time this month too look over a few things and assess the situation with the door and possibly make another attempt at adjusting it. Just to rule out the possibility of a bad strut I will switch it with one from my car.



Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Dennis 5180 GULLWNG




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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 18:24:03 -0700
From: "Darryl Tinnerstet" <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>
Subject: Fw: rivnuts

I need to make a correction/addition to the earlier message.  The price given me by my supplier was in error - the correct price is $90.58 and the kit includes 75 assorted rivnuts and mandrels in the following sizes: 3x0.5mm, 4x0.7mm, 5x0.8mm, and 6x1.0mm.

Darryl Tinnerstet
Specialty Automotive
McCleary, WA
www.delorean-parts.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Darryl Tinnerstet 
To: blane_at_dml_triad.rr.com 
Cc: DMCNews 
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:36 PM
Subject: RE: rivnuts


<<As far as I can tell, no one makes a metric version.>>

No one makes a metric rivnut?  They aren't THAT hard to find.  I can provide a professional quality rivnut tool and the inserts, in 4, 5, 6, and 8mm sizes, for $139.00.  I'm sure if you shop around you can find hobbyist quality ones for even less.

Darryl Tinnerstet
Specialty Automotive
McCleary, WA
www.delorean-parts.com





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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 20:15:00 -0500
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>
Subject: Re: "Preproduction" car on ebay?

this is the email i got from the seller

"This car was one of the 28 "Pilot Cars" built in 1980 during the time the
factory was being built. Only three of them are left, this is #20. There are
some differences from the production cars. You are right about the pull
straps, these are the later door panels with the built in straps. There is a
gas flap in the hood, possibly it does show up in the photo well."


later
mark


Ian Stewart wrote:

> I just got done conducting my semi-weekly sweep of eBay for an
> affordable DeLorean and found this black-painted gem:
> Very rare car, preproduction unit chassis #20.



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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 22:18:11 -0400
From: "Jack Stiefel" <jackstiefel_at_dml_sacketmansion.com>
Subject: RE: "Preproduction" car on ebay?

I took a look at the pictures it had associated with and found these
strange differences.

First off I am sure we can all say it is not a pre-production, but it
has been modified.

Take the Plaque on the drivers side, it is not a normal one like the
rest of our cars... It seems to be a one line plate (the picture is too
small to make out any details).
There are no lettering on the rear bumper.  This may have been filled
before painting.  Notice the DeLorean plate in between the reverse
lights.
The center console has also been modified quite a bit with some strange
looking things about the window switch area.
There is a DeLorean plate mounted below the glove box lid, interesting.
It also appears to be late 82-83 (I may be a bit off on this, but not
pre-production) door straps.
The coolant bottle has been replaced as well with another plastic one.
The engine looks like it is missing some updates.

I may have missed something, but the paint job looks amazing, real eye
catching, but not a rare Pre-production, unless I missed something.

Jack  & Virginia Stiefel http://www.sacketmansion.com
1981 DeLorean Vin 3461 August 1981 Build
1988 Jaguar XJ-SC V-12
Live Internet Radio at 104.9 Radio Cape Vincent
http://www.radiocapevincent.com



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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 23:03:39 -0400
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: NEW Delorean Mid Atlantic Club Web site is open!

HI EVERYONE!
As you have seen in recent e-mails, the Mid Atlantic Club has been
busy....and now you can see how busy we have been, and share in our fun!
I have started a new website for the club!  www.deloreanmidatlantic.com
This site is still under some MAJOR construction, but look for some fun and
helpful content just around the corner!

The site currently contains:
A scrapbook (lots o fun!)
Membership details
List of events
Downloads of recent newsletters (memebers only access)
and more!

Check it out...tell me what you think!

Kevin Abato (delorean_at_dml_abato.net)
Vin# 16680
www.deloreanmidatlantic.com




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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 22:58:23 -0400
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: RE: DeLorean Mid Alantic Spring Social...1st class people

Mike...You forgot to thank the academy for "this wonderful award"

OOOPPSS!! Wrong Speech! ;)

Anyway..thanks!  I think we all had a great time, and this club is special!




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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 03:51:07 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: "Preproduction" car on ebay?

Other things of note
On the rear left rear bumper it doesn't say Delorean but there is a 
plate above the license plate that does
There is some kind of spring arrangement for a striker on the rear 
louvre
There are custom pads on the center console
 There are many custom things on this car but nothing to lead me to 
believe this is a "pre production" car. There is a high probability 
that the car was in an accident based on the customization and the 
fact that it is painted. Until a VIN is posted I would not accept this 
as anything but a late 81 customized, painted Delorean that appears 
to be clean and in decent shape. That odd container bottle is a 
coolant recovery bottle.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 04:09:42 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Yet another TORSION BAR ? Help DMC Joe

The biggest problem with overtorquing the door struts to compensate 
for a weak strut is the overstressing of the area where the anchor 
bracket attaches at the tee roof. It will put more stress on that area 
of the car with the possibility of damage. The other big reason you do 
not want to overtorque is that if and when you do replace the strut 
the door will bounce against the upper stops again overstressing a 
weak area of the car and bending the pins that the stuts attach to. 
There is no set # of degrees to set the torsion bars. The best spec I 
can give you is that without a strut attached the torsion bar will 
hold a door open between 2 and 6 inches measured from the bottom of 
the door to the sill. I prefer to adjust on the weak side i.e. as long 
as the door will stay all the way up even if I have to help it open 
all the way a little. This keeps the stress as low as possible on the 
entire door and body system. The doors will always work better when 
warm so if you do this adjustment below 60 degrees the doors will be a 
lot springier at 80 degrees.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757




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